GOAT poll - 60 million votes

[Spurs m8]

None of these 7 vote polls on realgm...

60 million people have spoken on YouTube

They're not gonna like it

https://i.ibb.co/N1KjdDQ/Screenshot-20220904-102447-You-Tube.jpg

[TheMan]

When LeBron surpasses Kareem, the tide will surely turn towards Bran being consensus GOAT...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fb/3d/a5/fb3da500473f48cea1936684fad7d7fb.gif

[8Ball]

The casuals put Kobe at #3. What else is new?

[Axe]

Lmao @curry being #7 :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe ahead of Kareem? This is the list you want us to take serious over realgm? :roll:

Sorry, I'll stick to realgm. :pimp:

[1987_Lakers]

Realgm's top 10 (From 2020)

1. LeBron James
2. Michael Jordan
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Bill Russell
5. Tim Duncan
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Magic Johnson
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird

Some might not agree with all of it, but it's way better than the OP's list. Almost everyone agrees with their top 4, people might just have it in different orders. I think there is a clear gap between LeBron, MJ, Kareem, Russell and the rest of the players.

[TheMan]

Realgm's top 10 (From 2020)

1. LeBron James
2. Michael Jordan
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Bill Russell
5. Tim Duncan
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Magic Johnson
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Larry Bird

Some might not agree with all of it, but it's way better than the OP's list.

Is this that one poll that was managed by Bran Stans, like the only poll Bran won, out of a bunch of other RealGM polls that MJ won? :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Is this that one poll that was managed by Bran Stans, like the only poll Bran won, out of a bunch of other RealGM polls that MJ won? :lol

It wasn't a public poll, people had to give detailed explanations to why they were voting for a certain player. Any troll can vote in public polls.

[Spurs m8]

Is this that one poll that was managed by Bran Stans, like the only poll Bran won, out of a bunch of other RealGM polls that MJ won? :lol

That's the one!!

The realgm one with tonnes of votes had MJ at like 85% or something

[1987_Lakers]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2004777

:pimp:

[MrFonzworth]

The bransvestite incels in full damage control:yaohappy:

[8Ball]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2004777

:pimp:

This is the most comprehensive no retard list I have seen.

ESPN list pretty good too, but was done before 2020 finals.

[TheMan]

It wasn't a public poll, people had to give detailed explanations to why they were voting for a certain player. Any troll can vote in public polls.

So MJ being consensus GOAT is due to trolls, ok...

[SATAN]

So MJ being consensus GOAT is due to trolls, ok...

And casuals, don't forget casuals.

[SATAN]

The average person who has MJ #1:

https://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Miley+Cyrus+goes+Centerstaging+studios+mother+ALlm gDmkuC7x.jpg

[TheMan]

And casuals, don't forget casuals.

And they still have a higher hoops IQ than dimwitted incels like you and your fellow Bronies :lol

They fully understand 6/15 >>> 4/19

[Wally450]

Lol at Kobe 3. Curry’s too high also.

[SATAN]

And they still have a higher hoops IQ than dimwitted incels like you and your fellow Bronies :lol

They fully understand 6/15 >>> 4/19

LeBron beat a 73 win team.

2016>>All Mikey's carried rings.

[TheMan]

LeBron beat a 73 win team.

2016>>All Mikey's carried rings.

A 73 win team that was down 1-3 to OKC in the WCFs before KD and Co. proceeded to choke that series away in epic fashion...clearly they had shot their wad in the regular season and led by a hobbled Curry, weren't the same team in the postseason.

[RRR3]

OP wants us to accept this list so I guess OP agrees LeBron is top 2 ever.

[kawhileonard2]

When we look at Realgm it was no contest

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2008047

[Spurs m8]

When we look at Realgm it was no contest

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=2008047

Ah yes, so that 1987 guy was a lying sack of shit, as per usual

[1987_Lakers]

Ah yes, so that 1987 guy was a lying sack of shit, as per usual

Retard confirmed. Here is the voting for the #1 spot in which LeBron won (no public poll like I said)

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=2007234

Btw, look at the beautiful analysis in that thread, ISH could only dream of pulling a project like that. Instead we have people making projects and rigging it against LeBron.

[1987_Lakers]

From the thread...

"1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Kareem

I really struggle with whether to put Kareem or Jordan at 2. It's a tension between longevity and peak/extended peak and how to weigh the two respectively. With these top three I see Jordan as the peak guy, Kareem as the longevity guy and LeBron as the guy who best combined the two. In the end, I lean Jordan over Kareem because his offensive game is more resilient, less dependent on others to sustain.

Jordan doesn't get enough criticism for lost years. If anything he seems to get credit for what it is imagined he would have done if not injured in 85, retired in 94, 99, 00 or had he come back earlier in 95. In reality he didn't contribute much in those seasons or in his Wizard years. His 15 year career was more of an 11 year career when looking at GOAT level production and that's giving his rookie year, as outstanding as it was, more credit than it deserves.

Kareem and LeBron both have several more years of that high end production which cannot be discounted, but rather move the needle significantly in their favor. They have peaks/extended peaks/primes (LeBron more so than Kareem) very near to Jordan's if not equal or even slightly better, plus those extra high level years.

--

I have Russell at 4. His achievements lose some luster for me because of the era and his loaded teams. Yes, his teammates wouldn't be viewed as highly but for the success of which he was the primary causal factor, but that does go both ways. In the end I think he had advantages with a smaller league, needing to win fewer games to win a title and having a heavily loaded team that have to be accounted for. His lackluster offense is another factor that makes me hesitant to move him higher.

--

Some things that stand out to me about LeBron. He's been all-NBA level for 16 years. No one else has managed to put up that many seasons at that high a level. Injuries and fading skills rob them of that. But he has been that best at his position almost his entire lengthy career. His draft class is out of the league and he's still vying for the best player in the league title. He's not just barely holding on to that distinction or riding his name to undeserved awards. He's a straight from high-school kid who took a year to get his bearings and from that point forward has been among the best in the league.

He's an elite defender who has won titles as his team's best rim protecter and perimeter defender. He's an elite playmaker. He's an elite scorer. Almost unstoppable at the rim in his younger days, and now he's added post game and a respectable three point shot to stave off decline due to lost athleticism and endurance. His consistent high level scoring perhaps is best exemplified by his record 16 consecutive years averaging at least 25 points per game. The next closest such streak is 11. That a huge gap. He's scored at least 1500 points every year of his career.

He's the only player with 30k/9k/9k. No one is remotely close to those cumulative numbers. No one else has even managed 20k/8k/8k.

Again, there's a consistency with him that no one else has achieved or really even come close to matching. He's among the best with his ability to score and among the best with his ability to playmake. He's among the best with his defense. He's among the best with his quality longevity which is arguably unmatched even by the likes of Kareem, Malone and Stockton. They did not remain in the conversation for best in the league as long as LeBron has managed to do.

That's why I have him as GOAT. No one else has consistently sustained such a high level of play and mastery of so many aspects of the game."











Another one...

LeBron James
He has become the perfect combo of peak, prime and longevity. He's the guy I have going head to head against Michael in peak and prime. He has now entered the KAJ realm of longevity. That alone makes a case for him.

He is the most versatile player I've ever seen. On offense:
- Played PG, SF and PF. All at elite level;
- Has adapted to playing with D. Wade controlling the perimeter and be focal point on offense in the post;
- played with no actual system in his 1st stint in Cleveland and he made them one of the top offenses in the league;
- played PG with the Lakers,
- As made wonders as a floor raiser. Proved he could adapt to any type of player: Wade as a slasher, Davis a big man, all type of shooters, Irving as a perimeter player alongside him, etc.

There is actually enough situations for evaluation that makes me say he can adapt to any type of roster. On defense... the same:
- been elite in the periemter guarding guys like D. Rose in 11 or Murray vs Denver;
- been elite guarding post players like Pau Gasol or Adebayo;
- has won 3 tittles as the main rim protector of the squad in Miami and Cleveland.

He has a little less accodales than MJ (1 less MVP, 2 less FMVPs, 1 less DPOY) but he is getting closer. I don't put too much weight on that to be honest.

Has been consistent to say the least. Dude has been a top player (at least top 5) since 2005 or 2006, and has been probably the best in the world since 2008 or 2009. He doesn't have many black marks in the playoffs. Only once for the way I see it vs Dallas. That is the other argument I see for MJ over him, or Russell. However after 15 years on top I can't fault him for one series anymore, given the longevity edge he has over anyone not named KAJ or Duncan (among the top 10).

So for now I'll sum it up:
- top player in peak, prime and longevity; (tier 1)
- most versaility ever both on offense and defense. In all situations he has done extremely well;
- A lot of consistency, even if not the GOAT in that regard, I see him close to that;
- Elevates his performance in the playoffs overall.

Try having your average ESPN viewer or ISH member post something like you see above. Isn't gonna happen.

[999Guy]

LeBron’s clearly had the greatest NBA career ever. The longevity is indescribable.

The best actual playing level and the ability in the sport is in the air though.

If god, some super artificial intelligence, or aliens came down and said LeBron was the best ever, at his best, I wouldn’t be shocked at all. But if it was someone like Duncan, Shaq, or Kareem it wouldn’t shock me either.

Stockton/Malone longevity for LeBron. Who would’ve ever thought that? By the beginning of the 2016 season, people were actually convinced he was washed up for good. It was so accepted.

Then he has his crazy second Cleveland run, and wins his most casual title yet in LA playing as well or better than anybody that year.

No words for it.

I get beyond, beyond tired of hearing about LeBron on this board and in general but it just really hit me how freakish his whole career has been. Just when you remember the idiots who counted him out at multiple points. Even when he first went to LA. Lol ****ing dummies betting against a freak. Did it to themselves.

[iamgine]

60 million votes is most definitely majority casual votes. There's not even 2 million NBA fans who's historically knowledgable imo.

[Spurs m8]

60 million votes is most definitely majority casual votes. There's not even 2 million NBA fans who's historically knowledgable imo.

Oh I agree.

But it's funny...no matter the demographic...one person always comes out on top....the consensus GOAT

[Johnny32]

imagine being gullible enough to believe 60 unique users voted on an an nba poll/s.

[3ba11]

Lmao @curry being #7 :roll:


Curry should be top 5 and he'll approach MJ territory when he wins another chip with a non-elite producer like Pippen at sidekick, I mean Wiggins

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron top 2 and 8 spots ahead of Duncan? List seems legit.

[sdot_thadon]

Any poll that puts Kobe @ #3 and Curry @ #7 is questionable at the least, if not outright dubious imho.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Who cares about longevity - simply from a mental perspective Lebron can never reach Jordan.

If this were the movie Gladiator Jordan is Maximus while Bron would be Commodus.

[3ba11]

Any poll that puts Kobe @ #3 and Curry @ #7 is questionable at the least, if not outright dubious imho.


If you feel so strongly about it, you should have good reasons why they're both mis-ranked

For example, I know that Lebron is nowhere near #2 because he mostly lost with super-teams and hand-picked preseason favorites.

Furthermore, at carry-job scoring levels or volume, he lacks sufficient brand of ball, jumpshooting skill or efficiency to beat top teams or defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals).. Since he lacks the ability to carry the scoring load in Finals or carry bed-wetting teammates over top teams, he needs juggernaut scorers and all-time producers like AD, Wade or Kyrie - he can't win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen..

Obviously, it's easier for GM's to build a team of cheap defenders and hustlers, but this requires 1st options that can carry the scoring load while beating top teams.. Accordingly, players with elite jumpshooting skill like Curry or MJ are needed to defeat maximum defensive attention or maintain brand of ball at carry-job volumes - they allow GM's to surround them with cheap defenders.

[1987_Lakers]

For all his talk about "maximum attention" you would think 3ball would have Shaq in the top 3. Kobe literally won 3 titles while having a teammate get probably the most defensive attention ever in Shaq, yet he still has Kobe top 3. :lol

[Johnny32]

Who cares about longevity - simply from a mental perspective Lebron can never reach Jordan.

If this were the movie Gladiator Jordan is Maximus while Bron would be Commodus.

is that the same jordone who retired twice due to mental and physical exhaustion? and also said this about playing in an era with social media...“I don’t know if I could’ve survived in this Twitter [era], where you don’t have the privacy that you’d want and what seems to be very innocent can always be misinterpreted.”

lol @ you and your soft af pampered hero.

[FilmyCogTurner]

is that the same jordone who retired twice due to mental and physical exhaustion? and also said this about playing in an era with social media...“I don’t know if I could’ve survived in this Twitter [era], where you don’t have the privacy that you’d want and what seems to be very innocent can always be misinterpreted.”

lol @ you and your soft af pampered hero.

Sometimes people say offhand remark about themselves that aren't even true - it's called humility.

If Jordan could handle hundreds of people waiting for him in hotel lobbies and airport runways I am sure he could handle an app on his phone.

[TheMan]

is that the same jordone who retired twice due to mental and physical exhaustion? and also said this about playing in an era with social media...“I don’t know if I could’ve survived in this Twitter [era], where you don’t have the privacy that you’d want and what seems to be very innocent can always be misinterpreted.”

lol @ you and your soft af pampered hero.

Seething

[Axe]

The average person who has MJ #1:

https://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Miley+Cyrus+goes+Centerstaging+studios+mother+ALlm gDmkuC7x.jpg
Some of them also think more about lebron than they do with their very own hero.

[Johnny32]

Lol did this window licker just compare 100s of fangirls waiting for an autograph to millions of toxic trolls on social media? Lol the stupidity of this board amazes me everytime i forget and log in to this dump.

[dankok8]

MJ won by a 77-23 margin and 1.6 million people voted.

[TheMan]

Lol did this window licker just compare 100s of fangirls waiting for an autograph to millions of toxic trolls on social media? Lol the stupidity of this board amazes me everytime i forget and log in to this dump.

Funny because you yourself dumb down the collective IQ by at least 40 points

[TheMan]

MJ won by a 77-23 margin and 1.6 million people voted.
The people have spoken...

It wasn't even close but of course according to shook Bronies, they were all casuals, trolls and fangirls, not one NBA fan voted for MJ. Of course the Bronies wouldn't be complaining if it were the other way around :ohwell:

[rmt]

Lebron would trade for 6 rings (and 2 three-peats) with basically the same team in a heartbeat instead of his 4 and listening to all the team-hopping criticism.

[RRR3]

Oh I agree.

But it's funny...no matter the demographic...one person always comes out on top....the consensus GOAT
And LeBron usually comes in second, thus rendering everything you say wrong by your own logic.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Lol did this window licker just compare 100s of fangirls waiting for an autograph to millions of toxic trolls on social media? Lol the stupidity of this board amazes me everytime i forget and log in to this dump.

I bet if I saw a real life picture of you I wouldn't feel the need to respond because it would be CLEARLY evident why you are the way that you are. I hate to mean even online but you're a terrible poster.

[kawhileonard2]

We judge by what they did not how long they played. Playing long doesn't mean anything.

League mvp's, finals mvp's, titles, no bronze medals, no series losses while having hca.