Shaq calls out Durant, says his career is a failure

[Full Court]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/shaquille-o-neal-agrees-nets-151228377.html

"If you go back and look at his career as a best player being the leader, all goes with that too. We were all there. We saw OKC up 3-1. One more game and when you’re the guy, all the pressure goes on you. A lot of people was talking about the bus driver. Chuck was absolutely right. He was not driving the bus in Golden State. You were on the bus. You were sitting up front.

So when guys like us go ‘Woah, woah, woah, woah’ and you win and we don’t respect it, don’t get mad at us. That’s how we feel. This is the attitude that Kevin Durant is gonna say, ‘Whoa, I got this many points and I got this and I got that.’ We’re not talking about that. We’re talking about you, the guy, and in championship moments, can you take it to that next level? We haven’t seen that yet."

Shaq is agreeing with Barkley, who called Durant's career an "abject failure."

KD is not going to like this. I guess the GS rings really were Curry's rings.

[Manny98]

Wait so does that make Barkley's career a failure as well since he never won a championship despite his talent :confusedshrug:

[Full Court]

Wait so does that make Barkley's career a failure as well since he never won a championship despite his talent :confusedshrug:

:roll:

I guess that's a fair take, given Barkley's statement.

[TheGoatest]

Durant will forever be known as a coward who didn't dare to create anything new. When he left OKC in 2015, he could've created countless new big 3 combos, but he didn't have the guts to face unknown chemistry (and we now know why, looking at this EPIC FAILURE of his Nets with James Harden and Kyrie Irving). Instead he chose to stack himself on top of an already existing 73-9 record-having big 3, who had just beaten him in the playoffs no less. And now his legacy is being dragged across manure left and right while he desperately acts like it doesn't bother him one bit on Twitter. :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's hyperbole to say he was a failure but he definitely doesn't get the normal level of credit a superstar gets for leading a team to a championship. The way this l8ke Barkley a and won't are talked about may be the reason he felt that joining the Warriors was the best thing to do but his solution was clearly not as great an accomplishment as when for example Olajuwon got rings.

[SouBeachTalents]

The crazy thing is KD's literally a toe away from significantly solidifying his legacy and reputation. That's honestly the first thing I think of whenever these criticisms come up, that and Giannis still being considered a giant loser and playoff choker, but that's for another thread. Instead, his toe was on the line, the Nets had a cataclysmic season last year, Harden was traded, and he was absolutely atrocious while getting swept in the first round.

The Nets are definitely talented enough to contend for a title, but talk about having two of the biggest headcases ever for teammates, and having as dysfunctional an offseason as a team's ever had. I think KD realistically has two more years left at leading a team to a title, but he will definitely be up against it, not only having to contend with the likes of the Bucks, Celtics, Heat & Sixers in his own conference, but being forced into a leadership role he has clearly never embraced, while having to do so with the two biggest headcases in the league.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Wait so does that make Barkley's career a failure as well since he never won a championship despite his talent :confusedshrug:

Nah, at least Barkley took on the challenge as the leader of his team and only colluded when his best years were behind him which I have no problem with.

[PeroAntic]

If Durant stayed at Golden State and won like five rings + FMVPs, then it wouldn't have mattered that he was riding the bus. He would have compensated for all the downsides of his move. Two rings is simply not enough.

[hateraid]

Nah, at least Barkley took on the challenge as the leader of his team and only colluded when his best years were behind him which I have no problem with.

Barkley won MVP after leaving Philly to join KJ.
But carry on...

[StrongLurk]

To say Durant's career is a failure is extremely stupid.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Barkley won MVP after leaving Philly to join KJ.
But carry on...Barkley was traded. Keep your bullshit to events you actually remember.

[WhiteKyrie]

Barkley won MVP after leaving Philly to join KJ.
But carry on...

KJ led those Suns to two straight championships, won MVP and a ring before Barkley joined? And also was down 3-1 to Barkley’s 76ers? You’re too old not to have remembered how this actually went down compared to the KD to GS scenario and how bitch made it was …

[Full Court]

KJ led those Suns to two straight championships, won MVP and a ring before Barkley joined? And also was down 3-1 to Barkley’s 76ers? You’re too old not to have remembered how this actually went down compared to the KD to GS scenario and how bitch made it was …

hateraid's just not intelligent. :confusedshrug:

[kawhileonard2]

Durant will forever be known as a coward who didn't dare to create anything new. When he left OKC in 2015, he could've created countless new big 3 combos, but he didn't have the guts to face unknown chemistry (and we now know why, looking at this EPIC FAILURE of his Nets with James Harden and Kyrie Irving). Instead he chose to stack himself on top of an already existing 73-9 record-having big 3, who had just beaten him in the playoffs no less. And now his legacy is being dragged across manure left and right while he desperately acts like it doesn't bother him one bit on Twitter. :roll:

Same as Lebron who left to join forces with a proven champion who won finals mvp.

[TheGoatest]

Same as Lebron who left to join forces with a proven champion who won finals mvp.

In 2010 LeBron joined a team that had the worst record in the league in 2008. By far. :oldlol: And he led them to 4 straight finals, including 2 championships in which LeBron won MVP.

[hateraid]

Barkley was traded. Keep your bullshit to events you actually remember.
We forced that trade because the Sixers suck.

Second, he said Barkley colluded when his best years were behind him. Context dumb dumb. He wanted out of Philly when we were bottom dwellers. He wasn't "past his prime"

[hateraid]

KJ led those Suns to two straight championships, won MVP and a ring before Barkley joined? And also was down 3-1 to Barkley’s 76ers? You’re too old not to have remembered how this actually went down compared to the KD to GS scenario and how bitch made it was …

He said Barkley was past his prime when he colluded. The sixers were 35-47 and Barkley forced a trade out and went to that stacked Suns team. Proceeded to win an MVP. Was he past his prime?

Context. I lived it. I'm from Philly. I answered specifically to his post. I'm not comparing Durant to Barkley. I'm saying his post isn't accurate.

Now carry on without the same context

[Real Men Wear Green]

We forced that trade because the Sixers suck.

Second, he said Barkley colluded when his best years were behind him. Context dumb dumb. He wanted out of Philly when we were bottom dwellers. He wasn't "past his prime"
https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-charles-barkley-ben-simmons-trade-demand-20211214.html

Here we have Barkley clearly stating he never demanded a trade to the Suns. Who was he colluding with in Phoenix? There is no context to your bullshit.

[RogueBorg]

The crazy thing is KD's literally a toe away from significantly solidifying his legacy and reputation.

Skip Bayless says this same thing all the time but I would say to Skip, "Skeup, you know what, his little toe WAS on the line, he didn't hit a three and he choked in OT." You can't keep criticizing Lebron and then make excuses for Durant, it doesn't work like that. Durant failed, he's a beta.

[Rysio]

He joined a team that almost won back to back. He fit in well on the team so they won back to back it was the easiest rings of all time.

[guy]

Wait so does that make Barkley's career a failure as well since he never won a championship despite his talent :confusedshrug:

Based on the way he talks about his career, I don't think he would argue with anyone that said the same thing about him in the same context given his logic. He openly acknowledges he wasn't a champion and doesn't try to say he was deserving of one.

With that said "abject failure" for any of these guys is a huge exaggeration. I guess relative to their peers.

[FilmyCogTurner]

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-charles-barkley-ben-simmons-trade-demand-20211214.html

Here we have Barkley clearly stating he never demanded a trade to the Suns. Who was he colluding with in Phoenix? There is no context to your bullshit.

To be honest I always thought Barkley did force his way out of Philly but only because they traded the #1 pick for a player that wasn't going to help the team - even with that said going to Phoenix didn't feel like some deck stacking moment to me. A great team obviously but had the Rockets, Jazz, Blazers or Sonics made it out of the west no one back then would be ruffled about it I don't think.

[hateraid]

https://www.inquirer.com/sixers/sixers-charles-barkley-ben-simmons-trade-demand-20211214.html

Here we have Barkley clearly stating he never demanded a trade to the Suns. Who was he colluding with in Phoenix? There is no context to your bullshit.

Not gonna click the ad

My context is living in Philadlephia and being a Sixers fan.
Barkley clearly wasn't happy playing along side Armon Gilliam. They were 35-47. While you eat up the PC bullshit in a clickbait article I'll go by what was actually going on.

Second, he said he was past his prime which is the main point I was addressing.

You wanna keep going in circles with this?

[3ba11]

The media is bullying Durant

No-talent and know-nothing hacks

Lebron made the same career moves and is more sensitive, yet he's praised as a success

It's a double standard

[ShawkFactory]

Skip Bayless says this same thing all the time but I would say to Skip, "Skeup, you know what, his little toe WAS on the line, he didn't hit a three and he choked in OT." You can't keep criticizing Lebron and then make excuses for Durant, it doesn't work like that. Durant failed, he's a beta.

When your job is literally to pick sides and troll, then yes it does work like that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Not gonna click the ad

My context is living in Philadlephia and being a Sixers fan.
Barkley clearly wasn't happy playing along side Armon Gilliam. They were 35-47. While you eat up the PC bullshit in a clickbait article I'll go by what was actually going on.

Second, he said he was past his prime which is the main point I was addressing.

You wanna keep going in circles with this?

If you're going to say Barkley was lying in a direct quote then no there's no point talking to you. But if you're wondering why you get no respect? This thread is a prime example.

[hateraid]

If you're going to say Barkley was lying in a direct quote then no there's no point talking to you. But if you're wondering why you get no respect? This thread is a prime example.

Well if your brain can compute context my point was addressing Barkley wasn't passed his prime. Your stupid ass is focused on a point I'm not even discussing

But carry on about your precious truthful article. If you want to discuss that start another thread. But please, revise me again on how Barkley didn't request a trade

[3ba11]

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Barkley exited his prime when he stopped being a 1st option when it mattered:



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[Real Men Wear Green]

Well if your brain can compute context my point was addressing Barkley wasn't passed his prime. Your stupid ass is focused on a point I'm not even discussing

But carry on about your precious truthful article. If you want to discuss that start another thread. But please, revise me again on how Barkley didn't request a trade

You said Barkley colluded to get out of Philly. The quote shows there was no collusion. Everyone on this site can read. The end.

[3ba11]

The only time that GM's weren't in control was "the decision", where a player forced the GM to make him a super-team.. Complete unprecedented.. It consolidated power from 3 Eastern teams to guarantee Finals runs in a conference that would'5 been wide open for a decade.

[hateraid]

You said Barkley colluded to get out of Philly. The quote shows there was no collusion. Everyone on this site can read. The end.

Yes, everyone can read. But the point went over your head. The point was Barkely wasn't past his prime.

You're just backtracking because you are forcing it to read as something else. So who's the dumb dumb?

But if you think it's about colluding then keep it at that champ

Lol, it's stupid people like RMWG that can't read context. He's no better than 3ball

[hateraid]

Even the guy I quoted agreed with me yet RMWG pouting that he's right and trying to gaslight me lolol

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes, everyone can read. But the point went over your head. The point was Barkely wasn't past his prime.

You're just backtracking because you are forcing it to read as something else. So who's the dumb dumb?

But if you think it's about colluding then keep it at that champ

Lol, it's stupid people like RMWG that can't read context. He's no better than 3ball

How can I force it to read as something else? It's there for anyone that wants to read to read. You are arguing with reality.

[3ba11]

Durant will forever be known as a coward who didn't dare to create anything new. When he left OKC in 2015, he could've created countless new big 3 combos, but he didn't have the guts to face unknown chemistry (and we now know why, looking at this EPIC FAILURE of his Nets with James Harden and Kyrie Irving). Instead he chose to stack himself on top of an already existing 73-9 record-having big 3, who had just beaten him in the playoffs no less. And now his legacy is being dragged across manure left and right while he desperately acts like it doesn't bother him one bit on Twitter. :roll:


KD's collusion locked down the league more than ever before, but he was breaking Lebron's record for collusion..

Before KD joined the Warriors, Lebron had locked down the league by hand-picking the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 (super-teams).. This represents a 6-year headstart in the colluding space that locked down the league with 3 titles.

So it's just a double standard

If you're a top player in a given industry and your main competitor starts colluding, then you will have to eventually responding kind - Durant's mistake was waiting 6 years

[FilmyCogTurner]

Even the guy I quoted agreed with me yet RMWG pouting that he's right and trying to gaslight me lolol

Are you referring to me? I did not think the move to Phoenix was collusion.

[hateraid]

Are you referring to me? I did not think the move to Phoenix was collusion.

You said it felt forced.

But do you still disagree that Barkley was not past his prime at that point?

[hateraid]

How can I force it to read as something else? It's there for anyone that wants to read to read. You are arguing with reality.

You're forcing an argument out of a point I wasn't making

Do you agree or disagree that Barkley was past his prime in Phoenix? The collusion part was irrelevant

But keep seeing what you're seeing

[Real Men Wear Green]

Yes I will continue to see reality

[hateraid]

Yes I will continue to see reality

Your reality. Which is wrong. But go ahead

[Real Men Wear Green]

Your reality. Which is wrong. But go ahead

You're the idiot that said he colluded. That had been shown to be false and now you continue to reply because you look like a jackass. Which just makes you look like an even bigger jackass.

[Full Court]

Hateraid showing off his low IQ as usual.

The idiocy of some of these posters..... :lol

[iamgine]

I wouldn't call Durant's career a failure. I'd say it's a disappointment. His decision to join GSW was the biggest disappointment of all imo.

[outofstomach]

The crazy thing is KD's literally a toe away from significantly solidifying his legacy and reputation. That's honestly the first thing I think of whenever these criticisms come up, that and Giannis still being considered a giant loser and playoff choker, but that's for another thread. Instead, his toe was on the line, the Nets had a cataclysmic season last year, Harden was traded, and he was absolutely atrocious while getting swept in the first round.

The Nets are definitely talented enough to contend for a title, but talk about having two of the biggest headcases ever for teammates, and having as dysfunctional an offseason as a team's ever had. I think KD realistically has two more years left at leading a team to a title, but he will definitely be up against it, not only having to contend with the likes of the Bucks, Celtics, Heat & Sixers in his own conference, but being forced into a leadership role he has clearly never embraced, while having to do so with the two biggest headcases in the league.

yes, harden was the head case and not Kyrie and KD sitting out for every little reason imaginable, that’s a good one :lol

[hateraid]

You're the idiot that said he colluded. That had been shown to be false and now you continue to reply because you look like a jackass. Which just makes you look like an even bigger jackass.

Still.speaking on an irrelevant point?
You sure are dumb dumb

[3ba11]

I wouldn't call Durant's career a failure. I'd say it's a disappointment. His decision to join GSW was the biggest disappointment of all imo.


KD's colluded but he was just breaking Lebron's record for collusion..

Before KD joined the Warriors, Lebron had locked down the league by hand-picking the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 (super-teams).. This represents a 6-year headstart in the colluding space that locked down the league with 3 titles.

So it's just a double standard

If you're a top player in a given industry and your main competitor starts colluding, then you will eventually have to respond in kind - Durant's mistake was waiting 6 years

[TheGoatest]

I wouldn't call Durant's career a failure. I'd say it's a disappointment. His decision to join GSW was the biggest disappointment of all imo.

His resumé before GSW was pretty good and didn't have embarrassing traits:

-Having a .500 season by his third year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Winning multiple playoff games by his third year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Making the finals by his fifth year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Losing to championship powerhouse team of the era Lakers in a playoff series, but then retaliating and beating them back to make it 1-1 instead of losing to them over and over again

All this while entering the league at the modest age of 19 and only one year in college.

Beating Durant in this period was truly an accomplishment one could be proud of.
It was only his cowardly act of joining a 73-9 team that had just beaten him and joining forces as the second best player in the league with the third best player in the league Steph Curry to create the most cowardly stacked and unbeatable superteam of all time that perma-ruined his legacy. And his failure since departing the Warriors has only ruined it more.

[3ba11]

His resumé before GSW was pretty good and didn't have embarrassing traits:

-Having a .500 season by his third year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Winning multiple playoff games by his third year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Making the finals by his fifth year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Losing to championship powerhouse team of the era Lakers in a playoff series, but then retaliating and beating them back to make it 1-1 instead of losing to them over and over again

Beating Durant in this period was truly an accomplishment one could be proud of.
It was only his cowardly act of joining a 73-9 team that had just beaten him and joining forces as the second best player in the league with the third best player in the league Steph Curry to create the most cowardly stacked and unbeatable superteam of all time that perma-ruined his legacy. And his failure since departing the Warriors has only ruined it more.


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[TheGoatest]

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[SATAN]

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More like people started calling it super team just to discredit LeBron. These kind of teams didn't start when LeBron entered the NBA.

Imagine using a knucklehead like Draymond to support your arguments. :oldlol:

[3ba11]

More like people started calling it super team just to discredit LeBron. These kind of teams didn't start when LeBron entered the NBA.

Imagine using a knucklehead like Draymond to support your arguments. :oldlol:





Hand-picking the preseason favorite from 2011-2016 yielded 3 titles, so Lebron's collusions locked down the league for 6 years before Durant locked it down in Golden State.

So Durant's only mistake was waiting 6 years, which made all his moves look late and desperate

Btw, super-teams are rare and none of the prior super-teams had three elite 1st options on 1 team, nor did they obtain the super-teams by diluting the conference.. Specifically, none of the prior super-teams consolidated power from 3 teams within the conference, aka plucked three 1st options from 3 teams in the conference and put them on 1 team - this matters because it decimates a conference

So if Booker teamed up with Jokic and KAT, he shouldn't be praised for winning the conference and should be knocked if he fails to have a dynasty

[Johnny32]

Durant will forever be known as a coward who didn't dare to create anything new. When he left OKC in 2015, he could've created countless new big 3 combos, but he didn't have the guts to face unknown chemistry (and we now know why, looking at this EPIC FAILURE of his Nets with James Harden and Kyrie Irving). Instead he chose to stack himself on top of an already existing 73-9 record-having big 3, who had just beaten him in the playoffs no less. And now his legacy is being dragged across manure left and right while he desperately acts like it doesn't bother him one bit on Twitter. :roll:

lol that last part is so accurate.

[iamgine]

His resumé before GSW was pretty good and didn't have embarrassing traits:

-Having a .500 season by his third year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Winning multiple playoff games by his third year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Making the finals by his fifth year (matching legends LeBron, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Duncan and Shaq)
-Losing to championship powerhouse team of the era Lakers in a playoff series, but then retaliating and beating them back to make it 1-1 instead of losing to them over and over again

All this while entering the league at the modest age of 19 and only one year in college.

Beating Durant in this period was truly an accomplishment one could be proud of.
It was only his cowardly act of joining a 73-9 team that had just beaten him and joining forces as the second best player in the league with the third best player in the league Steph Curry to create the most cowardly stacked and unbeatable superteam of all time that perma-ruined his legacy. And his failure since departing the Warriors has only ruined it more.

That would be like saying Tim Donaghy before his scandal came out was a fine referee.

Durant's decision to join GSW revealed what type of person he always was. Shaq called it failure, I call it disappointment.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Still.speaking on an irrelevant point?
You sure are dumb dumb
You really have a hard time being proven wrong don't you?

[FilmyCogTurner]

You said it felt forced.

But do you still disagree that Barkley was not past his prime at that point?

Barkley was definitely still in his price but I didn't see the move as collusion. Especially now knowing that he didn't force his way out of Philly.

[hateraid]

You really have a hard time being proven wrong don't you?

No, do you?

Lol, you are literally gaslighting my post. But you insist what i posted is entirely something else. Now you won't let it go

Sounds like you have the problem bud

[hateraid]

Barkley was definitely still in his price but I didn't see the move as collusion. Especially now knowing that he didn't force his way out of Philly.

But you initially thought he did.
In which I responded he wasn't past his prime at that point

[FilmyCogTurner]

But you initially thought he did.
In which I responded he wasn't past his prime at that point

I know but even forcing his way out is not always collusion. He has to go somewhere.

[Real Men Wear Green]

No, do you?

Lol, you are literally gaslighting my post. But you insist what i posted is entirely something else. Now you won't let it go

Sounds like you have the problem budDid you or did you not say that Barkley colluded? It's right there for anyone to read.

[Johnny32]

Barkley was definitely still in his price but I didn't see the move as collusion. Especially now knowing that he didn't force his way out of Philly.

the 6ers were very aware barkley wanted out.

[hateraid]

Did you or did you not say that Barkley colluded? It's right there for anyone to read.

Irrelevant. You think Barkley was past his prime in Phoenix? That was the main point.

But keep saying colluding.

Idiot

[Real Men Wear Green]

Irrelevant. You think Barkley was past his prime in Phoenix? That was the main point.

But keep saying colluding.

Idiot

So the words that you wrote and I replied to are irrelevant to our discussion... Well Barkley once claimed to be misquoted in his own autobiography but understand that that's an extremely stupid position to take.

[hateraid]

So the words that you wrote and I replied to are irrelevant to our discussion... Well Barkley once claimed to be misquoted in his own autobiography but understand that that's an extremely stupid position to take.

Again, regardless whether it was collusion or he did not request the trade, that wasn't the point of my post. You are making it the point of my post. You are discussing a completely point entirely.

So yes, it is irrelevant to the point I was making

Shall we continue?

[FilmyCogTurner]

What is the problem with a primed out Chuck in Phoenix?