Only a California problem

[Patrick Chewing]

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https://i.insider.com/62e01516d571050018ad945b?width=700

[ShawkFactory]

Why DeSantis here?

[Patrick Chewing]

Why DeSantis here?

Just for comparison. Two states with two different governors. One state is a mess that has to send out tweets to turn off your power, and the other one does not.

[ShawkFactory]

Just for comparison. Two states with two different governors. One state is a mess that has to send out tweets to turn off your power, and the other one does not.

And two vastly different weather patterns. This isn't an issue that Florida would ever have to deal with in general, given that it's always hot and the power grid is designed for these circumstances. There's no comparison to be had.

This is kind of like what happened to Texas last year, although obviously on a much lesser scale. Weather is unpredictable and it doesn't always make sense to plan for something that has never happened.

You know all of this.

[BigKobeFan]

I just got home at 5:00 p.m. and I can't charge my tesla. I also cannot cook since I have an induction counter top. I cant use the propane grill outside because its using natural gas. So i'm left with take out since I cant drive my car to the restaurant.

When I got to the restaurant, they want to charge me $20 for a hamburger and some fries because they want to make sure their workers are paid $22 an hour. Then on top of that, I need to tip the workers because the boss isn't giving them enough for their health insurance. So my meal at the end of the day cost me over $35 because I had to call ubereats. Tip the driver, and tip the restaurant.

[Patrick Chewing]

And two vastly different weather patterns. This isn't an issue that Florida would ever have to deal with in general, given that it's always hot and the power grid is designed for these circumstances. There's no comparison to be had.

This is kind of like what happened to Texas last year, although obviously on a much lesser scale. Weather is unpredictable and it doesn't always make sense to plan for something that has never happened.

You know all of this.

It's been hot in California before.

[ShawkFactory]

It's been hot in California before.

Oh ok apparently I said that it hadn't :rolleyes:

[Patrick Chewing]

Oh ok apparently I said that it hadn't :rolleyes:

You're blaming "weather patterns" instead of the people who can do something about it and improve the power grids. After all, Californians like to brag their GDP is like the 5th largest in the world. I wonder why they keep having these problems though, and states who don't embrace alternative forms of energy are not.

Record heat in California probably dates back 100 years, so let's not pretend like it's record heat we're dealing with either.

[BigKobeFan]

This one hot week isn't even unprecedented. Every summer there's always about 2-3 weeks where its scorching hot and everyone hides in the theaters, the pool, or at the mall.

yet, the government still never bothered upgrading the grids. Now they want everything to be done electric. Even a ****ing lawn mower. I feel bad for the gardeners. How many batteries are you going to have to carry to mow someone's lawn? The real racists here are the liberals. banning gas mowers and leaf blowers only hurt one type of people. They never consider the hard working mexican gardeners. But when you jump the border, you are free to get anything you want.

[ShawkFactory]

You're blaming "weather patterns" instead of the people who can do something about it and improve the power grids. After all, Californians like to brag their GDP is like the 5th largest in the world. I wonder why they keep having these problems though, and states who don't embrace alternative forms of energy are not.

Record heat in California probably dates back 100 years, so let's not pretend like it's record heat we're dealing with either.

Did you have this same energy when Texas got hit last year and Democrats were blaming the Texas state government for the issues they had?

[ShawkFactory]

This one hot week isn't even unprecedented. Every summer there's always about 2-3 weeks where its scorching hot and everyone hides in the theaters, the pool, or at the mall.

yet, the government still never bothered upgrading the grids. Now they want everything to be done electric. Even a ****ing lawn mower. I feel bad for the gardeners. How many batteries are you going to have to carry to mow someone's lawn? The real racists here are the liberals. banning gas mowers and leaf blowers only hurt one type of people. They never consider the hard working mexican gardeners. But when you jump the border, you are free to get anything you want.

Isn't nor cal is getting hit harder than southern cal? The LA area always gets hot but the bay area isn't used to this at all.

[Off the Court]

Record highs for the Bay area. Sacramento hit 116 today, that is an all time record high. Liberals though.

Good time to have solar panels.

BigKobe scared to turn on his propane grill :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Did you have this same energy when Texas got hit last year and Democrats were blaming the Texas state government for the issues they had?

You're not negating what I'm saying and the original topic at hand. You're just going tit-for-tat with me and pointing elsewhere cause I'm clowning on a Blue state.


And let's also not pretend like this doesn't happen every goddamn year in California.

[Patrick Chewing]

Good time to have solar panels.



So spend more money if you're a Californian. Got it.


First it was buy electric cars. And now since there's no electricity, buy solar panels so that you can power your electric cars. It never ends. :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

You're not negating what I'm saying and the original topic at hand. You're just going tit-for-tat with me and pointing elsewhere cause I'm clowning on a Blue state.


And let's also not pretend like this doesn't happen every goddamn year in California.

I made my point in my second post. You aren't interested in anything other than going tit-for-tat, otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did.

I don't care about clowning on blue states at all, but you're doing something that I know you wouldn't if it was a red state. The hypocrisy is irritating is all.


And let's also not pretend like this doesn't happen every goddamn year in California.

It doesn't. Not in northern California.

[Patrick Chewing]

I made my point in my second post. You aren't interested in anything other than going tit-for-tat, otherwise you wouldn't have posted what you did.

I don't care about clowning on blue states at all, but you're doing something that I know you wouldn't if it was a red state. The hypocrisy is irritating is all.



It doesn't. Not in northern California.

What is your point? I must have missed it. You're blaming the weather and that's wrong. PERIOD.

[ShawkFactory]

It's a variety of factors. It's lack of preparation for an unusually sustained heat wave, combined with an unusually sustained draught. And I said sometimes it doesn't make sense to prepare for something so unusual. Although if this gets much worse then measures will surely be taken to prevent similar issues in the future.

Not everything boils down to "Lulz DemoRats"

[Off the Court]

It's directly related to the heat. NYC just went through blackouts due to a heat wave making me think Chewing doesn't actually live there.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Only a stupid Poopse thread.

[Lakers Legend#32]

It's directly related to the heat. NYC just went through blackouts due to a heat wave making me think Chewing doesn't actually live there.

Of course he does not live there.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's directly related to the heat. NYC just went through blackouts due to a heat wave making me think Chewing doesn't actually live there.

Why is it so hard to say it's a direct result of unprepared city leaders and years of wasted resources? And while rolling blackouts is a thing nationwide, the whole point of this thread was to mock California since it happens nearly on a daily basis over there. And to mock California's governor since he's on TV making political ads attacking Ron DeSantis. Why would he be doing that instead of focusing on his own state??


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7B1rx9rkI8

This is what I consider...WASTING TIME.

But of course, you Dems love to blame everything else including Mother Nature instead of blaming yourselves for failed leadership. I have no problem being critical of fellow Republicans, but with you guys, it's like a mortal sin to cast aspersions against someone from your same team. Grow a spine.


And I live in Yonkers. I've made that public for several years now. NYC blackouts do not affect me.

[Off the Court]

Unprepared? This is literally Cali preparing. Nothing has actually happened in Cali yet.

If Cali does blackout then you could say their preparations have failed.

[Patrick Chewing]

Unprepared? This is literally Cali preparing. Nothing has actually happened in Cali yet.

If Cali does blackout then you could say their preparations have failed.

How many years does it take to prepare??



The governor urged residents to pre-cool their homes earlier in the day when more power is available and turn thermostats to 78 degrees or higher after 4:00 pm PT. “Everyone has to do their part to help step up for just a few more days,” Newsom said.

The possibility for widespread outages reflects how power grids in California and other states are becoming more vulnerable to climate-related disasters such as heat waves, storms and wildfires.

California, which has set a goal to transition to 100% renewable energy by 2045, has shuttered a slew of gas power plants in the past few years, leaving the state increasingly dependent on solar energy.

The megadrought in the American West has generated the driest two decades in the region in at least 1,200 years, and human-caused climate change has fueled the problem, scientists said earlier this year. Conditions will likely continue through 2022 and persist for years.


LOL. Fix the grid.

[BigKobeFan]

How many years does it take to prepare??





LOL. Fix the grid.

where the **** are they going to get this many solar panels to line up? There's already a problem with real estate with the lack of supplies.

[bladefd]

Another low IQ troll thread by Chewbecca because he has nothing else better to pick liberals on for.

[Patrick Chewing]

where the **** are they going to get this many solar panels to line up? There's already a problem with real estate with the lack of supplies.

That state is nuts, and morons like Off The Court and blade who defend it are even crazier. California is basically telling its 39 million residents that they're going to have energy problems and unreliable electricity for the next 23 years. :roll:


And partisan bootlickers like blade and Off The Court just blindly defend it cause it's a Blue State.

[KNOW1EDGE]

California has one of the lowest average IQs in the nation.

I think it’s petty fair to criticize a state who is forcing its people to switch to electric powered everything, and then demands those same citizens turn off their electricity. -you guys don’t see the irony there?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Oh if only California had a Very Stable Genius leader who would tell them to cut down on forest fires by raking their leaves.

[rmt]

California has one of the lowest average IQs in the nation.

I think it’s petty fair to criticize a state who is forcing its people to switch to electric powered everything, and then demands those same citizens turn off their electricity. -you guys don’t see the irony there?

They don't see the irony. When this no gas car law comes about in 2035, it'll get much worse. Have they even thought about the large number of people who rent or live in apartments - lol? They'll have to write a law to force people to put up chargers where? if you don't have a garage? Better lock that charger down well with all the theft. Or do they think the few chargers at Walmart/Whole Foods will do for the whole parking lot?

[BigKobeFan]

California has one of the lowest average IQs in the nation.

I think it’s petty fair to criticize a state who is forcing its people to switch to electric powered everything, and then demands those same citizens turn off their electricity. -you guys don’t see the irony there?

Of course they dont see it. They are blind sheep and follow whatever their leader says.

[Off the Court]

Reminder that California has the highest GDP in the US by far and pays for all the states who are most dependent on the federal government help which are the deep south red states.

[Off the Court]

They don't see the irony. When this no gas car law comes about in 2035, it'll get much worse. Have they even thought about the large number of people who rent or live in apartments - lol? They'll have to write a law to force people to put up chargers where? if you don't have a garage? Better lock that charger down well with all the theft. Or do they think the few chargers at Walmart/Whole Foods will do for the whole parking lot?

2035 is a long ways off. Smartphones have only been around for 10 years and have completely changed the way we live. IPhone came out of California by the way.

That's just a goal to ban sale of new gas cars too. Meaning the citizens could still buy and drive gas cars. Most car manufacturers will be near all EV production by 2035 anyway.

[Patrick Chewing]

Reminder that California has the highest GDP in the US by far and pays for all the states who are most dependent on the federal government help which are the deep south red states.

Which is all the more reason why it's more embarrassing that they are going through what they are going through. Like, quit worrying about other states like Florida, and get your act together.


There's a reason why there's a mass exodus out of California. But braindead Liberals as yourself portray California as the best place to live. :lol

[Off the Court]

Which is all the more reason why it's more embarrassing that they are going through what they are going through. Like, quit worrying about other states like Florida, and get your act together.


There's a reason why there's a mass exodus out of California. But braindead Liberals as yourself portray California as the best place to live. :lol
Californians were asked to use less electricity during the heat wave. That's not going through anything and I'm sure majority didn't even comply.

[rmt]

2035 is a long ways off. Smartphones have only been around for 10 years and have completely changed the way we live. IPhone came out of California by the way.

That's just a goal to ban sale of new gas cars too. Meaning the citizens could still buy and drive gas cars. Most car manufacturers will be near all EV production by 2035 anyway.

About as long off as AOC in 2019 saying that "the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change" or more than twice Al Gore (in 2019) that the Arctic would be ice-free in 5 years.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-climate-change-alarm/2642481002/

https://empoweringamerica.org/tea-factsheet-climate-predictions-through-the-years/

[Patrick Chewing]

Californians were asked to use less electricity during the heat wave. That's not going through anything and I'm sure majority didn't even comply.

In 2022, whilst living in the safe confines of an Industrialized Superpower Nation, and with a state with the highest GDP in the nation, under no circumstance should there be a reason for a state to ask its residents to turn off their power.

[BigKobeFan]

About as long off as AOC in 2019 saying that "the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change" or more than twice Al Gore (in 2019) that the Arctic would be ice-free in 5 years.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-climate-change-alarm/2642481002/

https://empoweringamerica.org/tea-factsheet-climate-predictions-through-the-years/

According to al gore, california should be underwater by now.

[bladefd]

About as long off as AOC in 2019 saying that "the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change" or more than twice Al Gore (in 2019) that the Arctic would be ice-free in 5 years.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/01/22/ocasio-cortez-climate-change-alarm/2642481002/

https://empoweringamerica.org/tea-factsheet-climate-predictions-through-the-years/

They are not scientists. Do not take science advice from non-scientists. We don't take mental health advice from a car salesman, right?

And focus on those who specialized in that specific field. We don't take pulmonary advice from the cardiologist, do we?

[bladefd]

California's electric lines have been resilient through the years of heavy fires & heatwaves. Why test the absolute limits to the max? You don't want another Texas, which crashed the first time they were pushed to the limits. Better to hunker down and use what electricity you do need rather than overuse it/create waste.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1567950564088229888?s=20&t=lJ_7U_xjdXZ9tB7IuxS4lg


Bahahahahaha!!!! OWNED :oldlol:

[Nanners]

Its too funny that the state sent out an emergency mass text saying electric car owners need to stop charging their cars or the grid is going to crash within 7 days of passing a law that all cars sold in california must be electric by 2035 :roll:

[Lakers Legend#32]

The way Gavin Newsom is handling the heat wave in California is exactly how an actual leader is suppose to handle a crisis.

Republicans would rather ignore problems like they ignored Covid, the Texas electric grid, and the Mississippi water crisis.

They are allergic to competence.

[BigKobeFan]

The way Gavin Newsom is handling the heat wave in California is exactly how an actual leader is suppose to handle a crisis.

Republicans would rather ignore problems like they ignored Covid, the Texas electric grid, and the Mississippi water crisis.

They are allergic to competence.

What? By telling you to turn off your ac and not charge your cars?

Great leadership right there

[Nanners]

The way Gavin Newsom is handling the heat wave in California is exactly how an actual leader is suppose to handle a crisis.

Republicans would rather ignore problems like they ignored Covid, the Texas electric grid, and the Mississippi water crisis.

They are allergic to competence.

All 3 of these "problems" are laughable, but my favorite has to be the bit about Mississippi. Jackson MS has been run exclusively by democrats for the past ~100 years (if not longer), and yet somehow its republicans fault that this democrat city allowed their water treatment plant to degrade to the point that a relatively unremarkable flood resulted in the total collapse of the water system?

[Lakers Legend#32]

All 3 of these "problems" are laughable, but my favorite has to be the bit about Mississippi. Jackson MS has been run exclusively by democrats for the past ~100 years (if not longer), and yet somehow its republicans fault that this democrat city allowed their water treatment plant to degrade to the point that a relatively unremarkable flood resulted in the total collapse of the water system?

Right. Mississippi is a Democratic stronghold.

When's the last time a Democratic presidential candidate won this redneck state?

[Lakers Legend#32]

What? By telling you to turn off your ac and not charge your cars?

Great leadership right there

"Covid is a Democratic hoax that will magically disappear. It will go away as things go away."--Very Stable Genius

[Nanners]

Right. Mississippi is a Democratic stronghold.

When's the last time a Democratic presidential candidate won this redneck state?

Municipal water systems are run by the cities they serve, not the states where those cities exist.

Jackson MS has had a democrat mayor since 1901, if having democrat leadership for 121 years doesnt make somewhere a democrat stronghold then what does?

[BigKobeFan]

"Covid is a Democratic hoax that will magically disappear. It will go away as things go away."--Very Stable Genius

Are you still falling for that crap. We all know its a flu.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Are you still falling for that crap. We all know its a flu.

So that's what QAnon told you.

[rmt]

They are not scientists. Do not take science advice from non-scientists. We don't take mental health advice from a car salesman, right?

And focus on those who specialized in that specific field. We don't take pulmonary advice from the cardiologist, do we?

Yet, these are/were politicians who are setting policies that affect/impact our lives. And science advice from scientists - even they are wrong. How many incorrect "scientists" (so called experts) "advice"/policy did we live under during covid?

Even medical doctors - when my allergic son was a child, their standard advice was avoid, avoid, avoid (allergens). Now the industry standard is EXPOSE, EXPOSE, EXPOSE (to allergens). I should have listened to my uneducated father's common sense when he said feed him everything and stop cleaning so much - too late for my son now.

[Nanners]

Yet, these are/were politicians who are setting policies that affect/impact our lives. And science advice from scientists - even they are wrong. How many incorrect "scientists" (so called experts) "advice"/policy did we live under during covid?


I am a scientist, I have multiple science degrees and for most of my adult life I have supported myself with scientific jobs... yet all the gender studies liberals who "BELIEVE SCIENCE" recoil in horror when I point out the fact that the covid gene therapy drugs were never properly tested, or the fact that pfizers tests show that patients who received the gene therapy were much more likely to die (mostly from heart attacks or blood clots) than those that did not take any shots, or the fact that the "evidence" that the CDC cites for their masking recommendations was literally derived from a childs science fair project.

The narrative that has been surrounding this virus for the past ~2.5 years is preposterously absurd, especially for those of us who have bothered to look at the actual science being presented.

Anyway, not every "expert" or "scientist" was wrong... there were TONS of them that have been proven 100% correct as the gene therapy has failed to do anything other than maybe slightly reduce symptoms. Isnt it convenient that once big pharmas claims about their gene therapy protecting you from catching/transmitting the virus were soundly disproven, they have resorted to measuring the efficacy of the vaccine in terms of its symptom reduction, a measure that is 100% subjective.

Also, I dare anyone to name any other "vaccine" where 99.9% of people who are vaccinated end up catching the virus multiple times (flu shot doesnt count, its been scientifically proven to have no impact on catching the flu). Literally every single person I know who has received the covid gene therapy has had the illness at least once, most of them have had it several times... yet I have never met a person who got measles after being vaccinated for it, or polio after receiving that vaccination. Back in my day, vaccine referred to a drug that made you immune to an illness, not a drug that maybe slightly reduces your symptoms. If slightly reducing your symptoms is all it takes to make something a vaccine, then is asprin a vaccine?

[rmt]

covid vaccine is a misnomer - it's like a flu shot (which I've never taken in my life). It's ridiculous - this standard - take a flu shot every year. Now, it's take a covid booster every x months. Just the government and big pharma pushing their agenda/products.

[Nanners]

covid vaccine is a misnomer - it's like a flu shot (which I've never taken in my life). It's ridiculous - this standard - take a flu shot every year. Now, it's take a covid booster every x months. Just the government and big pharma pushing their agenda/products.

nah, apparently every drug is a vaccine now (except the ones that actually work)... sure it makes zero sense logically, but it makes a ton of sense from a legal perspective

[Patrick Chewing]

I have a simpler question to prove California and defenders of California politicians are full of shit. Is there any other state that's asking its residents to turn off their power right now??

[Nanners]

I have a simpler question to prove California and defenders of California politicians are full of shit. Is there any other state right now that's asking its residents to turn off their power right now??

It gets better. Is there any state that is asking its residents to turn off their power, while also asking its residents to only buy electric cars? How many states are asking their residents to turn off their power that have also made it illegal to sell non electric cars after 2035?

I have owned an electric car for years... but lately I am thinking about selling it to some californian for ~20k more than I paid for it

[Patrick Chewing]

It gets better. Is there any state that is asking its residents to turn off their power, while also asking its residents to only buy electric cars? How many states are asking their residents to turn off their power that have also made it illegal to sell non electric cars after 2035?

I have owned an electric car for years... but lately I am thinking about selling it to some californian for ~20k more than I paid for it

Oof. It gets better....and then it gets worse.

https://c.tenor.com/E11t7yPj2p8AAAAC/hasbulla-hasbulla-laugh.gif

[Off the Court]

I have a simpler question to prove California and defenders of California politicians are full of shit. Is there any other state that's asking its residents to turn off their power right now??

Aside from Texas has been mentioned several times in this thread and ignored by you, how about the state you supposedly live in?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-08/coned-asks-brooklyn-residents-to-conserve-power-amid-high-heat

[Off the Court]

Ted Cruz during this debate.

https://c.tenor.com/_rrC613KIJMAAAAM/the-simpsons-homer-simpson.gif

[Off the Court]

I am a scientist
:roll:
:roll:
:roll:


Yeah me too man.

[Patrick Chewing]

I love making Off The Court aka MaxFly work to defend Liberalism at all costs. The more threads mocking the Left and pointing how terrible they are for this country, the more Off The Court has to come up with a defense for his Party.

[bladefd]

Yet, these are/were politicians who are setting policies that affect/impact our lives. And science advice from scientists - even they are wrong. How many incorrect "scientists" (so called experts) "advice"/policy did we live under during covid?

Even medical doctors - when my allergic son was a child, their standard advice was avoid, avoid, avoid (allergens). Now the industry standard is EXPOSE, EXPOSE, EXPOSE (to allergens). I should have listened to my uneducated father's common sense when he said feed him everything and stop cleaning so much - too late for my son now.

Scientists can be wrong too. They are not full-proof from being wrong. Scientists, who signed their names to climate predictions that ended up being wrong, were wrong to do so. However, the effects we are seeing of climate change is not on shaky grounds. They are happening even if we are not certain exactly what the point of no-return is or when event x will happen. We obviously don't have a crystal ball.

[bladefd]

I have a simpler question to prove California and defenders of California politicians are full of shit. Is there any other state that's asking its residents to turn off their power right now??

What other states are currently dealing with the threats of massive wildfires?

[SATAN]

I love making Off The Court aka MaxFly work to defend Liberalism at all costs.

That's because you are a moron and a terrible person.

[bladefd]

It gets better. Is there any state that is asking its residents to turn off their power, while also asking its residents to only buy electric cars? How many states are asking their residents to turn off their power that have also made it illegal to sell non electric cars after 2035?

I have owned an electric car for years... but lately I am thinking about selling it to some californian for ~20k more than I paid for it

You forgot the important part "by 2035". Who says things will be the same in 13 years or that they won't alter the state policy by then? Who says solar panels won't be more widespread by then? Who says the power grid will not be upgraded to be more resilient by then? Also, the policy only applies to brand new cars sold in California beyond 2035. Not used cars or cars you already own. They are not going to make used gas cars illegal to drive or own in California.

[Nanners]

You forgot the important part "by 2035". Who says things will be the same in 13 years or that they won't alter the state policy by then? Who says solar panels won't be more widespread by then? Who says the power grid will not be upgraded to be more resilient by then? Also, the policy only applies to brand new cars sold in California beyond 2035. Not used cars or cars you already own. They are not going to make used gas cars illegal to drive or own in California.

I didnt forget anything

Re-read all 3 of the sentences in the first paragraph you have quoted here (the one where you bolded text)... if you still cant see where I mentioned "by 2035", try looking at the last word in the quoted paragraph.

Why on earth would anyone think that a future of mandatory electric cars will be remotely viable in any way? The current grid struggles to handle a world where less than 5% of cars are electric, who exactly is building the new grid that would be required to support an electric car future in america? What are the new powerplants that will help support the massive electricity demand inherent to a country of electric cars?

[Off the Court]

Which car brands are going all electric and when? (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-10/which-cars-going-all-electric-and-when/100529330)

There will not be many car companies still making gas engines in 2035.

Mercedes-Benz forecasts that 50% of it's sales will be EV by 2025, and that they will be 100% EV by 2030.

The California 2035 deadline is for brand new cars only, you will still be able to purchase used gas engine autos.

[Off the Court]

I also suspect that by 2035 we will see majority of homes with solar panels. People do not understand just how much can change over 12 years. Look at how much has changed just over the last 2 years.

[bladefd]

I didnt forget anything

Re-read all 3 of the sentences in the first paragraph you have quoted here (the one where you bolded text)... if you still cant see where I mentioned "by 2035", try looking at the last word in the quoted paragraph.

Why on earth would anyone think that a future of mandatory electric cars will be remotely viable in any way? The current grid struggles to handle a world where less than 5% of cars are electric, who exactly is building the new grid that would be required to support an electric car future in america? What are the new powerplants that will help support the massive electricity demand inherent to a country of electric cars?

It's very much viable. We are not talking about right now but a decade and half (or more) down the road. Used cars and gas cars will also not suddenly become illegal beyond 2035. You can still own and drive those or buy in another state if you really want brand new. There will probably not be a policy that bans all gas cars. If there is, it won't be for a very very long time.

As for electricity.. Solar power is continuously dropping in cost each year and batteries are getting better. I know we don't like the 'nuclear' word in this country but there are modular nuclear reactors showing great promise. Since they are modular, they don't take 20 years to build like traditional fission reactors. Fusion also is showing promise but we are not quite there yet. Wind farms are being built offshore to supplement the power grid (offshore winds are stronger and more reliable than on the land).

You don't need a brand new full national grid but upgrade in increments over time depending on where it is necessary. It's an overreaction to say the power grid doesn't support less than 5% of cars being electric cars. Where have you heard that the power grid is not powerful enough to power electric cars at present or that the addition of electric cars is a struggle on power grids? California is dealing with a crisis right now so they are asking folks to not waste extra electricity.

I will copy/paste the rest of my post:
Who says things will be the same in 13 years or that they won't alter the state policy by then? Who says solar panels won't be more widespread by then? Also, the policy only applies to brand new cars sold in California beyond 2035. Not used cars or cars you already own. They are not going to make used gas cars illegal to drive or own in California.

[BigKobeFan]

I also suspect that by 2035 we will see majority of homes with solar panels. People do not understand just how much can change over 12 years. Look at how much has changed just over the last 2 years.

Hows the bullet train going for you after 15 years. Just curious

[Patrick Chewing]

I also suspect that by 2035 we will see majority of homes with solar panels. People do not understand just how much can change over 12 years. Look at how much has changed just over the last 2 years.

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blade reads too many fantasy novels.

[Ryoka Narusawa]

I just got home at 5:00 p.m. and I can't charge my tesla. I also cannot cook since I have an induction counter top. I cant use the propane grill outside because its using natural gas. So i'm left with take out since I cant drive my car to the restaurant.

When I got to the restaurant, they want to charge me $20 for a hamburger and some fries because they want to make sure their workers are paid $22 an hour. Then on top of that, I need to tip the workers because the boss isn't giving them enough for their health insurance. So my meal at the end of the day cost me over $35 because I had to call ubereats. Tip the driver, and tip the restaurant.

You dont have a Tensla

[Ryoka Narusawa]

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blade reads too many fantasy novels.

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[bladefd]

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blade reads too many fantasy novels.

blade? Did you lose your glasses?

I would agree with OTC on that point. Majority is over 50%. Majority =/= Most. Solar prices are dropping yearly, and I can definitely see over half of the houses having solar by 2035.

[rmt]

blade? Did you lose your glasses?

I would agree with OTC on that point. Majority is over 50%. Majority =/= Most. Solar prices are dropping yearly, and I can definitely see over half of the houses having solar by 2035.

I don't see that. I've lived in FL for over 45 years, and I don't know a single person who has solar panels on their roof. When I drive in my neighborhood, my two brothers', my parents' - none. If there's hardly any in South Florida, why would half the houses (much less condo, apartments) in the country have solar by 2035 - especially where it's cold half the year?

Even if it were for free, I probably wouldn't want that on my roof - that's a hazard come hurricane time (which is like half the year) - that's the first thing that would go, hit something and let wind in the house.

[Patrick Chewing]

blade? Did you lose your glasses?

I would agree with OTC on that point. Majority is over 50%. Majority =/= Most. Solar prices are dropping yearly, and I can definitely see over half of the houses having solar by 2035.

You and him are one in the same. I can't tell you monkeys apart anymore.

[BigKobeFan]

I don't see that. I've lived in FL for over 45 years, and I don't know a single person who has solar panels on their roof. When I drive in my neighborhood, my two brothers', my parents' - none. If there's hardly any in South Florida, why would half the houses (much less condo, apartments) in the country have solar by 2035 - especially where it's cold half the year?

Even if it were for free, I probably wouldn't want that on my roof - that's a hazard come hurricane time (which is like half the year) - that's the first thing that would go, hit something and let wind in the house.

In California, its about 20% of the houses, but its so stupid. The energy drawn is returned to the grid. I mean why would i do that. I want to charge my solar panels to batteries that I can abuse. But no company sells batteries to store the power generated. Its basically edison trying to use your real estate for their lack of efficiency. I mean why else would i have solar panels for.

[Chick Stern]

I don't see that. I've lived in FL for over 45 years, and I don't know a single person who has solar panels on their roof. When I drive in my neighborhood, my two brothers', my parents' - none. If there's hardly any in South Florida, why would half the houses (much less condo, apartments) in the country have solar by 2035 - especially where it's cold half the year?

Even if it were for free, I probably wouldn't want that on my roof - that's a hazard come hurricane time (which is like half the year) - that's the first thing that would go, hit something and let wind in the house.
Seems to me panels on a house in an area that is regularly raked by Hurricanes isn’t a great idea at all.

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Seems to me panels on a house in an area that is regularly raked by Hurricanes isn’t a great idea at all.

That encompasses anywhere along the Gulf and the whole Atlantic seaboard - specifically in the South where the sun shines most. These climate nuttos don't think about that? That probably includes wind turbines too - those spokes/arms would be deadly in a hurricane.

[bladefd]

I don't see that. I've lived in FL for over 45 years, and I don't know a single person who has solar panels on their roof. When I drive in my neighborhood, my two brothers', my parents' - none. If there's hardly any in South Florida, why would half the houses (much less condo, apartments) in the country have solar by 2035 - especially where it's cold half the year?

Even if it were for free, I probably wouldn't want that on my roof - that's a hazard come hurricane time (which is like half the year) - that's the first thing that would go, hit something and let wind in the house.

Sure, there are certain areas you don't build them. Very particular areas. Solar panels are rated to hold up in winds up to 140mph, which is up to a category 4 hurricane. Beyond that, they will come off. That's why I mentioned half of the houses across the USA and not every single house in America. If hurricane is a regular concern, it's mainly in Southern Florida, parts around the gulf and coastal areas of the Carolinas/Georgia. They don't regularly go further above to say the northeast or the northern states in-land like Illinois/ohio.

Cold has nothing to do with solar. It seems obvious to me that you have not done your research or even basic reading on what you are talking about. My parents have solar and outside of 3 months a year, they generate more electricity than they use. In the March-September range, vastly more. That is the case across the top half of the country.

Solar power is very much viable in all 50 states but there are certain areas you don't put them up due to safety reasons from hurricanes. Florida is viable in the panhandle portion but not the southern or the Eastern areas. Texas along the coastal areas you want to avoid. Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Carolinas, same along the coast. Once a hurricane hits land, it loses speed fast and as I said, solar panels can hold up to category 4 major hurricane. Perhaps in the tornado alley too like Missouri, Kansas, etc, you skip areas. Again, there is a reason I said half of the houses and not all of them.