Lebron played 55 games in the Finals and has lottery record (22-33)

[3ba11]

That's what a garbage "heliocentric" offense yields - a playground or AAU beginner brand of ball that can't compete with top teams regardless of cast...

4/10 including 2 teammate bailouts - this barely meets the perennial underdog expectation that this brand has

Ultimately, guys like Luka and Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around them

So they never learned the brand of ball, teammate development or fits required to win organically and must be talent-based winners instead (team-hopping.. all-star team strategy)..

They never learned how to win (organic) and only learned how to team-hop (talent-based winning)

[Axe]

20.8 ppg > 15.6 ppg

[3ba11]

20.8 ppg > 15.6 ppg


Peak capability (is game-planning required?)

36 ppg (yes) > 20.8 ppg (no)

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif

[Axe]

6/6 > 5/7

[3ba11]

6/6 > 5/7


5/7 > 4/10 including 2 teammate bailouts

It's funny that people think the goat is someone that was a lucky bounce away from 2/10..

That's why MJ is so legit - he never even went 7 games in the Finals, so his 6/6 is legit

Carry on

[1987_Lakers]

5/7 > 4/10 including 2 teammate bailouts

It's funny that people think the goat is someone that was a lucky bounce away from 2/10..

That's why MJ is so legit - he never even went 7 games in the Finals, so his 6/6 is legit

Carry on

"Peak LeBron = Peak MJ" -3ball

Carry on.

[3ba11]

"Peak LeBron = Peak MJ" -3ball

Carry on.


^^^ no mas

You have no actual substance to respond because there's no facts that explain Lebron's poor championship record...... except that he's inferior

So 3ball wins

That was quick and easy

[TheGoatest]

22-33... Damn that sure is a mighty fine record compared to 1-9.

[3ba11]

22-33... Damn that sure is a mighty fine record compared to 1-9.



* Lebron was 22-33 in his prime with Finals teams and super-teams

* Jordan was 1-9 as a rookie with 8 seeds when nearly EVERYONE loses - Curry, Lebron, Giannis and Durant were lottery and failed to win playoff series in their first few years


If the only knock on Jordan is that he lost as a youngster when EVERYONE loses, then you have no argument - that isn't an argument

[Full Court]

"Not 5....not 6....not 7...."

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

* Lebron was 22-33 in his prime with Finals teams and super-teams

* Jordan was 1-9 as a rookie with 8 seeds when nearly EVERYONE loses - Curry, Lebron, Giannis and Durant were lottery and failed to win playoff series in their first few years


If the only knock on Jordan is that he lost as a youngster when EVERYONE loses, then you have no argument - that isn't an argument

LeBron took 8th seed talent to the Finals (2007 & 2018), which is why his Finals record looks like that, he was swept both years with garbage teams.

MJ with that cast usually lost in the 1st or 2nd round.

It's better to make the Finals and get swept rather than go 1-9 with similar casts.

[3ba11]

LeBron took 8th seed talent to the Finals (2007 & 2018),





Jordan's rookie casts were like 04' and 05' Cavs (8 or 9 seed).

Otoh, the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas added a 22/6/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the 06' Playoffs as a veteran high seed.

So Lebron never had 8 seeded casts like Jordan - he always needed a favored high seed to make the playoffs... 2021 was the first time he had a low seed, and he lost in the first round with the preseason favorite

And in 2018, Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference and a 3-time defending conference champion .. So you're just lying for a fraud - a literal fraud that hasn't done any of the things you say
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[TheGoatest]

It's better to make the Finals and get swept rather than go 1-9 with similar casts.

1-9 is indeed truly a pathetic record. Possibly on the pace to being nothing less than the worst record in NBA history. :facepalm

[3ba11]

1-9 is indeed truly a pathetic record. Possibly on the pace to being nothing less than the worst record in NBA history. :facepalm


Nearly everyone loses in their first few years like when Curry, Lebron, Giannis and Durant were lottery

If the only knock on Jordan is that he lost as a youngster when EVERYONE loses, then you have no argument - that isn't an argument

[3ba11]

Lebron had 3 years to develop his team into a veteran, high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs.

Specifically, the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas added a 22/6/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the 06' Playoffs as a veteran high seed.

So Lebron never had 8 seeded casts like Jordan - he always needed a favored high seed to make the playoffs... 2021 was the first time he had a low seed, and he lost in the first round with the preseason favorite

And in 2018, Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference and a 3-time defending conference champion, while the conference was decimated by 6 years of teaming up with conference rivals.

[Spurs m8]

Well, can't argue with facts...

That is a damning record.

[colts19]

Bill Russell, was 46 and 26. He was also 11 and 1 in winning championships. So I guess he has Bron beat all around.

[3ba11]

Bill Russell, was 46 and 26. He was also 11 and 1 in winning championships. So I guess he has Bron beat all around.


Russell faced no defensive attention as a low option and he didn't face many black players or play 3-pointer basketball.

Accordingly, Jordan's 6 rings as the best player is the most in 3-pointer history and the greatest accomplishment in basketball history

As for Lebron, his lottery record on the championship level reflects the low team ceilings that his rudimentary "Luka-ball" skillset yields.. He doesn't compare to MJ or Russell

[Bacchus]

Amazingly Jordan has 2 more finals wins than Lebron while playing 20 less finals games

[Axe]

5/7 > 4/10 including 2 teammate bailouts

It's funny that people think the goat is someone that was a lucky bounce away from 2/10..

That's why MJ is so legit - he never even went 7 games in the Finals, so his 6/6 is legit

Carry on
Pippen has more consecutive playoff berths than kobe. :oldlol:

[TheMan]

Amazingly Jordan has 2 more finals wins than Lebron while playing 20 less finals games

That's the whole MJ vs LeBron "debate" there in a nutshell. MJ accomplished more in less time than Bran. Maybe if Bran sticks around another half decade, he may surpass MJ in Finals games wins?

[1987_Lakers]

That's the whole MJ vs LeBron "debate" there in a nutshell. MJ accomplished more in less time than Bran. Maybe if Bran sticks around another half decade, he may surpass MJ in Finals games wins?

Russell accomplished more than MJ by the time he was 30. 8 championships, 5 MVPs. :oldlol:

[jlip]

Amazingly Jordan has 2 more finals wins than Lebron while playing 20 less finals games

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/297125296_3294166927510398_4523732004879419843_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=gmor1xO7YVwAX-OBeuQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_QZt2rl45j9RpH0YmDlxbIqU6PiyWbeAsGbihjGIuE Vg&oe=63262B9C

[TheMan]

Russell accomplished more than MJ by the time he was 30. 8 championships, 5 MVPs. :oldlol:

I've said it before, I have no problem if someone has Russell as GOAT :confusedshrug: I've said the same about Wilt and KAJ too.

Just not 4/10 loser Bran :lol

[TheMan]

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/297125296_3294166927510398_4523732004879419843_n.j pg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=a26aad&_nc_ohc=gmor1xO7YVwAX-OBeuQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=00_AT_QZt2rl45j9RpH0YmDlxbIqU6PiyWbeAsGbihjGIuE Vg&oe=63262B9C

Obviously because of the 94 season but are they really counting as wins for Pippen when he came off the bench not even scoring in double digits while MJ scored 40? plus:roll:

[Axe]

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:applause:

[1987_Lakers]

I've said it before, I have no problem if someone has Russell as GOAT :confusedshrug: I've said the same about Wilt and KAJ too.

Just not 4/10 loser Bran :lol

So you have no problem with people having Wilt as GOAT who won 2 titles in 6 tries which is a 33% win rate, compared to Bron who won 4 titles in 10 tries, which is a 40% win rate?

You aren't making much sense bud. :lol

[RogueBorg]

22-33... Damn that sure is a mighty fine record compared to 1-9.

The "Dumbest Poster Ever" claims that 22-33 is a mighty fine record :facepalm

[TheMan]

So you have no problem with people having Wilt as GOAT who won 2 titles in 6 tries which is a 33% win rate, compared to Bron who won 4 titles in 10 tries, which is a 40% win rate?

You aren't making much sense bud. :lol

Wilt has the stats, he has records no one is ever going to break. Stats is what you guys cherish, right? Also, he kept going up against Russell's loaded Celtics squad, kept abusing Russell but his teammates weren't as good as Russell's for the great majority of their matches.

KAJ has the longevity, accolades and chips, Russell has the winning and defense but lacking in the offense...MJ has the best combination of all plus he won the most in the modern era and dominated his competition like Russell did his. Bran's only argument is longevity stats, but KAJ is right there with him but has more accolades. LeBron never dominated his era, getting swept in the Finals multiple times isn't GOAT material, sorry bud.

[Hey Yo]

Amazingly Jordan has 2 more finals wins than Lebron while playing 20 less finals games

That's what happens when you quit for 22mos so you can rest up..

4 non rest rings >>>>>> 3 non rest rings

[TheMan]

That's what happens when you quit for 22mos so you can rest up..

4 non rest rings >>>>>> 3 non rest rings

He quit in his prime for almost two years, still has more than your boi going two decades into his career :oldlol:

[RogueBorg]

Russell accomplished more than MJ by the time he was 30. 8 championships, 5 MVPs. :oldlol:

While averaging 15.0 ppg :roll:

[Hey Yo]

He quit in his prime for almost two years, still has more than your boi going two decades into his career :oldlol:

4 >>>>>>> 3

[TheMan]

4 >>>>>>> 3

3? That's your retarded counter? :roll:

[Axe]

While averaging 15.0 ppg :roll:
So? Wes unseld won finals mvp averaging 9 ppg, casual.

[Hey Yo]

Rest up rings don't count, chico.

Pip's 6 >>>>> rest up's 3.

[1987_Lakers]

Wilt has the stats, he has records no one is ever going to break. Stats is what you guys cherish, right? Also, he kept going up against Russell's loaded Celtics squad, kept abusing Russell but his teammates weren't as good as Russell's for the great majority of their matches.


Thats not what you said though. You called LeBron a loser and cant be GOAT for being 4/10 while not realizing Wilt was 2/6, which is worse, but somehow he has a discussion for GOAT with that Finals record according to you. :oldlol:



He has a bunch of records cause he played in an era where stats were inflated, anyone who studies history knows this. And Russell did have better teams the first half of their careers, but by 1965 or 1966 they had similar teams and Russell still beat him for the most part, even in 1969 when Wilt obviously had a better team than Russell.

Nonetheless, I find it funny how you cry about Russell having better teams but ignore the fact that LeBron obviously had worse teams than his Finals opponent in 2007, 2015, and 2018. If you are going to make fun of Bron going 4/10 while ignoring this fact than Wilt going 2/6 needs to get roasted as well.

[RogueBorg]

So? Wes unseld won finals mvp averaging 9 ppg, casual.

What does that have to do with Russell v. Jordan?

[Axe]

What does that have to do with Russell v. Jordan?
Nothing. Just that there's the idea or possibility that russell would have gotten some finals mvps despite the measly 15 ppg had the reward already existed during his era, which would have been extra welcomed in his already-impressive resume.

[TheMan]

Rest up rings don't count, chico.

Pip's 6 >>>>> rest up's 3.
Lol, good luck getting people to agree with your logic

[j3lademaster]

What makes this stat dumb is that it punishes a player for making the finals in years where they probably shouldn’t. 22 year old Lebron had no business being in the finals, but he willed the Cavs by Detroit, the season after Kyrie left Lebron had a monumental playoff run that fans have grown numb to… because hes just that great.ran into the most stacked team of all time in the finals.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Thats not what you said though. You called LeBron a loser and cant be GOAT for being 4/10 while not realizing Wilt was 2/6, which is worse, but somehow he has a discussion for GOAT with that Finals record according to you. :oldlol:



He has a bunch of records cause he played in an era where stats were inflated, anyone who studies history knows this. And Russell did have better teams the first half of their careers, but by 1965 or 1966 they had similar teams and Russell still beat him for the most part, even in 1969 when Wilt obviously had a better team than Russell.

Nonetheless, I find it funny how you cry about Russell having better teams but ignore the fact that LeBron obviously had worse teams than his Finals opponent in 2007, 2015, and 2018. If you are going to make fun of Bron going 4/10 while ignoring this fact than Wilt going 2/6 needs to get roasted as well.
God damn man, go easy on the dude. Hes not all there. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

God damn man, go easy on the dude. Hes not all there. :oldlol:

:pimp:

[Lebron23]

Even if you replaced Jordan with LeBron in 2015, 2007, 2017 and 208. His team won't be winning rings. Jordan's 2nd 3 peat stats were atrocious. He was basically chucking some shots ala LeBron in the 2015 NBA Finals.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Even if you replaced Jordan with LeBron in 2015, 2007, 2017 and 208. His team won't be winning rings. Jordan's 2nd 3 peat stats were atrocious. He was basically chucking some shots ala LeBron in the 2015 NBA Finals.

The second three peat was a dog fight for the Bulls. Jordan had to carry the scoring burden which also comes with shots taken that are less than ideal but it was a real struggle for the team to put offense and Jordan gunning was necessary.

Sometimes in basketball you need your best player to keep the pressure on and that mean even with missed shots because you know the averages will eventually workout and that player that is struggling will eventually catch fire and hopefully at the right time so your team can secure the win. The main offensive weapons operate under different conditions than the rest of the team.

[Lebron23]

The second three peat was a dog fight for the Bulls. Jordan had to carry the scoring burden which also comes with shots taken that are less than ideal but it was a real struggle for the team to put offense and Jordan gunning was necessary.

Sometimes in basketball you need your best player to keep the pressure on and that mean even with missed shots because you know the averages will eventually workout and that player that is struggling will eventually catch fire and hopefully at the right time so your team can secure the win. The main offensive weapons operate under different conditions than the rest of the team.

Lebron did that in the 2015 and 2018 NBA Finals, but his teammates were obviously out matched by their Warriors Opponent. After Love and Irving got injured in the 2015 NBA Finals. His 2nd best player in the NBA Finals was Matthew Dellavedova.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Lebron did that in the 2015 and 2018 NBA Finals, but his teammates were obviously out matched by their Warriors Opponent. After Love and Irving got injured in the 2015 NBA Finals. His 2nd best player in the NBA Finals was Matthew Dellavedova.

2015 I would agree - that was most impressed by Lebron I ever was. He was heavy in the post action and I thought it was about damn time that he operated from there. 2018 I disagree. He had the help and everyone played fine but the Warriors were still to stacked for any team to have legitimate success. Even a good team firing on all cylinders can get smoked. No ones fault really just what it was at the time. Although I would have like to have seen Bron organize his teams more effectively but then again I don't think he had the talent or IQ to do it like some of the top ten players that we've seen. He does his own version of it but its paper thin once you realize it.

[AlternativeAcc.]

He's played 55 games in the finals?!!!

That's the GOAT achievement... taking garbage teams to the finals.. the bright lights.. the grand stage... single handedly keeping franchises profitable...


Thank you 3ball for bringing this to light. It's an unbelievable achievement for LeBron.

[Axe]

His 2nd best player in the NBA Finals was Matthew Dellavedova.
Who stole hca from stephen curry in the following finals.

[3ba11]

He's played 55 games in the finals?!!!

That's the GOAT achievement... taking garbage teams to the finals.. the bright lights.. the grand stage... single handedly keeping franchises profitable...


Thank you 3ball for bringing this to light. It's an unbelievable achievement for LeBron.


If we remove the 07', 15', and 18' Finals, Lebron is 20-21 in the Finals with super-teams!!!!...

So Lebron's inferior brand of ball has a lottery record on the championship level regardless of cast!!!...

And the reality is that the 2018 Cavs were 3-time conference champions with a HOF sidekick, so their record loss is an underachevement, while Lebron's sweep in 2007 can be blamed on him getting 22 on 35%.

[3ba11]

If we remove the 07', 15', and 18' Finals, Lebron is 20-21 in the Finals with super-teams!!!!...

So Lebron's inferior brand of ball has a lottery record on the championship level regardless of cast!!!...

And the reality is that the 2018 Cavs were 3-time conference champions with a HOF sidekick, so their record loss is an underachevement, while Lebron's sweep in 2007 can be blamed on him getting 22 on 35%.


no one

[SouBeachTalents]

no one
Sums up what you have in your life.

[3ba11]

Sums up what you have in your life.


Stop projecting and respond to the post or concede.. Silence is conceding and I'll take that as a win

If we remove the 07', 15', and 18' Finals, Lebron is 20-21 in the Finals with super-teams!!!!...

So Lebron's inferior brand of ball has a lottery record on the championship level regardless of cast!!!...

And the reality is that the 2018 Cavs were 3-time conference champions with a HOF sidekick, so their record loss is an underachevement, while Lebron's sweep in 2007 can be blamed on him getting 22 on 35%.

[Full Court]

He's played 55 games in the finals?!!!

That's the GOAT achievement... taking garbage teams to the finals.. the bright lights.. the grand stage... single handedly keeping franchises profitable...


Thank you 3ball for bringing this to light. It's an unbelievable achievement for LeBron.

Not when you had a super easy path to the finals in the majority of your appearances and then proceeded to lose 60% of your finals series.

[Spurs m8]

Not when you had a super easy path to the finals in the majority of your appearances and then proceeded to lose 60% of your finals series.

That's what happens when you stack the deck in a weak Conference....team up with 2 first options from teams in your conference....TWICE

Then go out West...fail to make playoffs...so team up with another first option from your conference, to get you there

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


If we remove the 07', 15', and 18' Finals, Lebron is 20-21 in the Finals with super-teams... :lebronamazed:

So Lebron's inferior brand of ball has a lottery record on the championship level regardless of cast (worst-ever team ceiling).... :kobe:... :whatever:

[kawhileonard2]

Dude is pathetic.