Portlanders dealing with the ramifications of Defunding the Police

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portlanders-taking-precautions-avoid-attacked-response-rising-crime


Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler commissioned the survey from local firm DHM Research. Nearly half (48%) of the 500 Portlanders who responded felt unsafe walking alone at night in their own neighborhood. Of those who felt unsafe, 78% told researchers they were afraid of being physically assaulted.

The Portland Police Bureau has suffered from staffing shortages since 2020 and currently has more than 100 sworn police vacancies, according to the bureau. As anti-police protests rocked the city in 2020, the city council voted to cut the department's budget by $15 million, though activists had demanded cuts of $50 million.

Many officers have retired or left to work in other cities, citing dissatisfaction with city leadership and poor morale during the months of nightly protests.

"I think we need more police," Brenda said. She can understand why people don’t want to become officers, but the city isn’t doing enough to promote safety, she said.


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[BigKobeFan]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/portlanders-taking-precautions-avoid-attacked-response-rising-crime




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**** them. Let them fend for themselves

[bladefd]

Here's some actual facts:


But two years after an initial push to defund the Portland Police Bureau, City Council approved a record $249 million PPB Budget — an amount more than $12 million higher than it was in fiscal year 2019-2020 before the racial justice protests of 2020 factored into budgeting discussions. While discussion of defunding was central, and accompanied by intense debate, police criticism and protests, the Portland Police Bureau only saw a brief dip in funding.

PPB’s total $225.5 million budget in the 2020-2021 fiscal year — covering July 2020 through June 2021 — was still the third-largest in bureau history at the time, trailing only the 2019-2020 budget by $11.4 million (4.8%), and 2018-2019 by $6.2 million (2.7%).

In total, since 2012-2013, when violent crime was at near-record lows in Portland according to FBI statistics, PPB’s budget increased by 47%, while the population increased by 12%, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

In 2020, it dropped to 225 million from 236 million. Now it's up to 249mill. That's a lot of money. If you can't police a city with that much budget then what can I tell you?

[Patrick Chewing]

Here's some actual facts:



In 2020, it dropped to 225 million from 236 million. Now it's up to 249mill. That's a lot of money. If you can't police a city with that much budget then what can I tell you?

So thank you for further proving my point that the DEMOCRAT idea of Defunding the Police doesn't work. :oldlol:

[BigKobeFan]

So thank you for further proving my point that the DEMOCRAT idea of Defunding the Police doesn't work. :oldlol::applause::roll:

[bladefd]

So thank you for further proving my point that the DEMOCRAT idea of Defunding the Police doesn't work. :oldlol:

It's not a Democrat idea. It's a small fringe minority. The cut was minor anyways, lasting 1yr. Defunding the police would have a drastic cut if it were put through, not 11mill cut.

[BigKobeFan]

It's not a Democrat idea. It's a small fringe minority. The cut was minor anyways, lasting 1yr. Defunding the police would have a drastic cut if it were put through, not 11mill cut.

you don't get it huh.

[Patrick Chewing]

It's not a Democrat idea. It's a small fringe minority. The cut was minor anyways, lasting 1yr. Defunding the police would have a drastic cut if it were put through, not 11mill cut.

Oh yes, Reps. Cori Bush and AOC are a fringe minority of the Democrat Party :oldlol::rolleyes:. Own this shit, bro. You will get my respect.

[Off the Court]

Blade is right. Currently Portland's police funding is at record highs. Faux News and Chewing are trying to fear monger people into thinking Dems want to remove police funding but funding for police is higher than ever under Biden and defund the police is old news at this point.

[Patrick Chewing]

Blade is right. Currently Portland's police funding is at record highs. Faux News and Chewing are trying to fear monger people into thinking Dems want to remove police funding but funding for police is higher than ever under Biden and defund the police is old news at this point.


Max and blade trying to save face, but the article I referenced doesn't state that the police budget was just dropped, it states that it was dropped back when the Defund the Police movement was all the rage for Democrats in the Summer of 2020. And because you can now get stabbed by a junkie that lives in your garden in Portland, police budgets are back and in some cases higher than they were before.

Max and blade are two disingenuous clowns who are incapable of criticizing their own Party. Incapable of criticizing their own platforms or the people they vote for. They have to lie in order to seem right or just. One of the key components of Liberalism is to lie in order to make yourself look good.

[Off the Court]

So what is your point then? That raising police funding doesn't work?

[Patrick Chewing]

So what is your point then? That raising police funding doesn't work?

What are you trying to avoid admitting? That Defunding the Police doesn't work?? :roll:


Dude, your mental gymnastics doesn't work here. Keep that with your inner circle of pink-haired Libs you hang out with. Don't bring that weak shit here.

[bladefd]

Max and blade trying to save face, but the article I referenced doesn't state that the police budget was just dropped, it states that it was dropped back when the Defund the Police movement was all the rage for Democrats in the Summer of 2020. And because you can now get stabbed by a junkie that lives in your garden in Portland, police budgets are back and in some cases higher than they were before.

Max and blade are two disingenuous clowns who are incapable of criticizing their own Party. Incapable of criticizing their own platforms or the people they vote for. They have to lie in order to seem right or just. One of the key components of Liberalism is to lie in order to make yourself look good.

I'm not even a Democrat even though I lean Democrat. I don't believe in the 2 party system. I am only on the side of truth and facts. You, however, are not.

[AKA_AAP]

Racist Pedophile joe biden's policies are defunding AlwaysWrongBladefd's and LowIQofftheCourt's bank accounts.

[BigKobeFan]

Racist Pedophile joe biden's policies are defunding AlwaysWrongBladefd's and LowIQofftheCourt's bank accounts.

You are giving them too much credit. These two never had any bank accounts

[ShawkFactory]

It's not necessarily that defunding the police truly has made them less effective. I have a feeling that it has more to do with the platform itself, and people being more inclined towards criminal activity because they think that police will be less effective.

[Nanners]

As a resident of the Portland suburbs, I can happily report that even the most extreme libtards that I know are starting to be seriously fed up with the lawlessness in this city.

Between the absurd levels of homelessness and property crime, and the insane difficulty of affording Portlands cost of living on a Portland job, I think that in a year or two its possible that this city experiences a massive ideological shift - where the libtards become so disgusted by the abomination that their policies have created and they start to revert back to the more conservative politics and worldview that their parents held back in Iowa or wherever they moved to Portland from.

[bladefd]

It's not necessarily that defunding the police truly has made them less effective. I have a feeling that it has more to do with the platform itself, and people being more inclined towards criminal activity because they think that police will be less effective.

There was no serious case of defunding the police either. They slashed 11mill from 236mill budget for 1yr then they have been raising the budget like they had been before. Defund the police was never a serious idea - it's just a bunch of idiots who decided to start calling it "Defund the police" when it reality they were proposing reforms like hiring cops locally/focusing on the community/de-militarizing the police, etc.

[ZenMaster]

Defund the police was never a serious idea - it's just a bunch of idiots who decided to start calling it "Defund the police".

Most of us here are aware that you'll say anything to try and frame an argument in your favor, but this time you've really gone low, holy shit.


https://youtu.be/AYa1WjHtzKc


https://youtu.be/ERFWMuUGwHA


https://youtu.be/mubm_UBCkVY

[Off the Court]

Most of us here are aware that you'll say anything to try and frame an argument in your favor, but this time you've really gone low, holy shit.


Yeah it was a serious idea to BLMers and some protestors. It wasn't ever taken that seriously with the Democratic party and the few cities that actually did do some defunding quickly reverted afterward. As pointed out the Portland police funding has never been higher than it is now, police funding in general is higher than ever, and "defund the police" is yesteryear's news.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah it was a serious idea to BLMers and some protestors. It wasn't ever taken that seriously with the Democratic party

:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnNddW0WYAA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoMbmQoqg5M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppoUCQLSXFE


But hey guys, it's only "some" protestors!


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[ZenMaster]

Yeah it was a serious idea to BLMers and some protestors. It wasn't ever taken that seriously with the Democratic party and the few cities that actually did do some defunding quickly reverted afterward. As pointed out the Portland police funding has never been higher than it is now, police funding in general is higher than ever, and "defund the police" is yesteryear's news.

So you disagree with bladed that BLM leaders across the US and many other places in the western world are a bunch of idiots?

[ZenMaster]

:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnNddW0WYAA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoMbmQoqg5M


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppoUCQLSXFE


But hey guys, it's only "some" protestors!


https://c.tenor.com/FUItMRhUz3sAAAAC/chapelle-charlie-murphy.gif

Thread is turning to gold, I bet bladed would like Lakerbot and Axe to post some one liners over the next month or so to slide these first pages :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

So you disagree with bladed that BLM leaders across the US and many other places in the western world are a bunch of idiots?
I replied to you not blade. OP and Faux News are falsely trying to pin "defund the police" on Portland's issues. Portland has more funding than they've ever had and Biden has made clear efforts to increase police funding throughout the nation.

I agree with the notion that "defund the police" was never a mainstream idea within the democratic party or even with left leaning individuals as a whole. It was a short lived rally cry for protestors after Floyd was killed.

[ZenMaster]

I replied to you not blade. OP and Faux News are falsely trying to pin "defund the police" on Portland's issues. Portland has more funding than they've ever had and Biden has made clear efforts to increase police funding throughout the nation.

I agree with the notion that "defund the police" was never a mainstream idea within the democratic party or even with left leaning individuals as a whole. It was a short lived rally cry for protestors after Floyd was killed.

And this was my post:


Most of us here are aware that you'll say anything to try and frame an argument in your favor, but this time you've really gone low, holy shit.

What did your reply have to do with what I wrote?

I didn't write anything at all about defunding the police, my point was solely towards bladed and how he's calling BLM leaders "a bunch of idiots".

[Patrick Chewing]

I replied to you not blade. OP and Faux News are falsely trying to pin "defund the police" on Portland's issues. Portland has more funding than they've ever had and Biden has made clear efforts to increase police funding throughout the nation.

I agree with the notion that "defund the police" was never a mainstream idea within the democratic party or even with left leaning individuals as a whole. It was a short lived rally cry for protestors after Floyd was killed.

It's amazing to me how you double down even after I just posted a video of the President of the United States calling for it, and you have the nerve to say it's not a mainstream idea within the Democrat Party.

You're just embarrassing yourself at this point. :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzvaCJkGvqA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2libOCbutvc

Biden never even says anything in the vid you posted :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

And this was my post:



What did your reply have to do with what I wrote?

I didn't write anything at all about defunding the police, my point was solely towards bladed and how he's calling BLM leaders "a bunch of idiots".

So you're arguing that BLM leaders are not idiots?

[Off the Court]

Biden said that he would increase police funding and that is what happened. They are more funded now.

If the crime rate goes up at this point it flies in the face of increase police funding.

[ZenMaster]

So you're arguing that BLM leaders are not idiots?

What did your reply have to do with what I wrote?

No, BLM leaders are definitely not idiots, many of them have made a lot of money since the organization was created.


Biden said that he would increase police funding and that is what happened.

You don't have to pretend like the rest of us can't see that the date of the speech where he said that is 30th August this year.

You guys are shameless :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

OTC in this thread:

https://i.ibb.co/PC8Hby4/headstone.jpg

:lol

[Off the Court]

What did your reply have to do with what I wrote?

No, BLM leaders are definitely not idiots, many of them have made a lot of money since the organization was created.



You don't have to pretend like the rest of us can't see that the date of the speech where he said that is 30th August this year.

You guys are shameless :oldlol:

I thought you were arguing that defund the police was taken very seriously from all the videos you posted and I was saying "yeah it was taken seriously by BLM"

I gave you a video from the 2020 Presidential debates and one from most recent so there is no confusion on Biden's stance.

The ones who are shameless are the ones trying to sell the idea that the police are currently being defunded.

[JohnnySic]

"Defund the Police" was never going to get off the ground in any meaningful way, but that doesn't mean that most on the left didn't support it. Most did, especially during the shitshow summer of 2020.

[Off the Court]

"Defund the Police" was never going to get off the ground in any meaningful way, but that doesn't mean that most on the left didn't support it. Most did, especially during the shitshow summer of 2020.

Maybe most black and under the age of 30 in the year 2020 only. But at least you're acknowledging that it never really went anywhere.

[ZenMaster]

I thought you were arguing that defund the police was taken very seriously from all the videos you posted and I was saying "yeah it was taken seriously by BLM"

I gave you a video from the 2020 Presidential debates and one from most recent so there is no confusion on Biden's stance.

The ones who are shameless are the ones trying to sell the idea that the police are currently being defunded.

I did argue that defund the police was a very serious point for BLM, the people bladed referred to as "a bunch of idiots".

I saw you agreeing with one of bladed posts, where he states that the police is funded just as much as before. But in his math he didn't account for the fact that crime has risen in the same period along with heavy inflation, meaning that Portland police still effectively has less funds to deal with than before.

Anyways, like JohnnySic said, even though no major reform happened, most people on the left supported it and it was used to instigate chaos in the streets and rile up support for the Democratic party - same thing BLM does every election year since it was created.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2014-08-15%202022-09-15&q=black%20lives%20matter

[Patrick Chewing]

Maybe most black and under the age of 30 in the year 2020 only. But at least you're acknowledging that it never really went anywhere.

Ohhhhh blame the Blacks now. You racist prick. Democrat leaders including Joe Biden wanted this. You can post another 1000 posts glossing over this fact, but the truth will never be on your side.



REST IN PISS

[BigKobeFan]

Ohhhhh blame the Blacks now. You racist prick. Democrat leaders including Joe Biden wanted this. You can post another 1000 posts glossing over this fact, but the truth will never be on your side.



REST IN PISS

Got him...got that racist prick.

[Off the Court]

Anyways, like JohnnySic said, even though no major reform happened, most people on the left supported it and it

You're both wrong.

The entire reason Biden made sure to distance from it was because defund the police was highly unpopular amongst democratic voters.

It might have been "most young blacks" and immediately after the Floyd killing but that's about it.



You guys just wish it were all of the left and you also wish it was still a thing today. But it's old news. Sorry about that.

[bladefd]

So you disagree with bladed that BLM leaders across the US and many other places in the western world are a bunch of idiots?

"Defund the police" was never seriously pushed beyond minority of fringe left. It was idiotic anyways regardless and never a serious idea beyond a tiny minority.

If you actually studied it closely, you would realize that most people even saying "defund the police" were not saying to get rid of the cops but rather to reform the police. That includes many BLM leaders. They were labeling the curtain one thing, but the ideas behind the curtain were concerning reforms.

[bladefd]

"Defund the Police" was never going to get off the ground in any meaningful way, but that doesn't mean that most on the left didn't support it. Most did, especially during the shitshow summer of 2020.

If most of the liberals supported defunding the police, it would have gone somewhere after January 2021, no? Democrats have the presidency, house, and senate, and funding for police has actually gone up across most of the country. Think for a minute.

[bladefd]

You're both wrong.

The entire reason Biden made sure to distance from it was because defund the police was highly unpopular amongst democratic voters.

It might have been "most young blacks" and immediately after the Floyd killing but that's about it.



You guys just wish it were all of the left and you also wish it was still a thing today. But it's old news. Sorry about that.

Zen is just fishing for a "Gotcha!" moment. He has nothing better to do.

[Patrick Chewing]

Apparently AOC, Cori Bush, and the President are the "Fringe Left" according to these two clowns. :oldlol:

They're getting owned in this thread and they refuse to choke on that L. You gotta admire their tenacity.

[BigKobeFan]

Apparently AOC, Cori Bush, and the President are the "Fringe Left" according to these two clowns. :oldlol:

They're getting owned in this thread and they refuse to choke on that L. You gotta admire their tenacity.

Libtards never give up even though they are proven wrong time and time again. I give them credit where its due

[bladefd]

Alt-right simply can't handle the truth in whichever world they live in. It's fine - life goes on past them.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Portland City commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty, along with protestors, fought to have the police budget cut by 50 million. Eventually the city council voted to decrease the Police budget by 15 million.

A year later the homicide rate reached the highest its been since the 80s- now that same city council voted to add back 5.2 million dollars to the police budget. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler admits, “Many Portlanders no longer feel safe.”

I lived 15 minutes outside of Portland for 32 years, worked downtown for many years, was a blazer season ticket holder. I recently relocated to the gulf coast of Texas. I’m glad I got out of there I just wish my family would follow

[HoopsNY]

Portland City commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty, along with protestors, fought to have the police budget cut by 50 million. Eventually the city council voted to decrease the Police budget by 15 million.

A year later the homicide rate reached the highest its been since the 80s- now that same city council voted to add back 5.2 million dollars to the police budget. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler admits, “Many Portlanders no longer feel safe.”

I lived 15 minutes outside of Portland for 32 years, worked downtown for many years, was a blazer season ticket holder. I recently relocated to the gulf coast of Texas. I’m glad I got out of there I just wish my family would follow

And what's frustrating about this is that BLM and the left advocate that they are for black and brown people, when the reality is that their plot is completely politically driven and results in the suffering of black and brown people across the country.

Look at what San Fransisco did in decriminalizing theft under $996. It resulted in mass looting, which forced Walgreens to shut down 4 of its stores initially in San Fransisco. Since that time, they've shut down another 7. That's 11 stores in less than 3 years. BLM and the left doesn't care about the workers of those stores. If they did, they would want stricter punishments for criminals and more, not less, funding for the police.

https://sfist.com/2022/02/13/yep-theres-another-walgreens-location-shuttering-in-san-francisco-soon/#:~:text=In%20October%20of%202021%2C%20Walgreens,t he%20city%20(and%20country).

[Long Duck Dong]

Yeah it was a serious idea to BLMers and some protestors. It wasn't ever taken that seriously with the Democratic party and the few cities that actually did do some defunding quickly reverted afterward. As pointed out the Portland police funding has never been higher than it is now, police funding in general is higher than ever, and "defund the police" is yesteryear's news.

This is absolute horseshit. OTC and Bladefd coming in with that revisionist history. :lol In 2020 about 50% democrats supported the movement with the overwhelming amount of blacks supporting it . I know for sure bladefd always spoke against it but your party for damn sure was for it. By 2021 that support was drastically waning and by 2022 the movement was totally dead.


As for the “Defund the Police” movement, it garners support from 48 percent of Democrats, 11 percent of Republicans and 26 percent of independents.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/17/poll-voters-defund-police-reforms-324774


But Democrats are more divided in their support than Republicans and Independents are in their opposition, with 43% and 41% of Democrats opposing both defunding the police, and using the money for other purposes, respectively.


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-americans-oppose-defund-police-movement-key-goals/story?id=71202300

CNN headline
"Even Democrats are now admitting 'Defund the Police' was a massive mistake"

MSNBC headline
"How Democrats went from defund to refund the police"

So yes. Half you Dems supported it in 2020 and you quickly realized your mistake... just like Republicans and common sense people told you would. And that clarity came very quickly, it took less than a year for your attitudes to begin shifting.

You were wrong. Own it. Hold the L. And live to fight another day. Trying to pretend it never happened makes you dems look even worse :lol

One things for sure. You ain't always the epitome of progress you pretend yourselves to be. You tend to go backwards every once in a while and the rest of America has to yank you by the collar, dragging your asses back into the group to keep up

[Off the Court]

You are the one doing revisionist history. If the Dems supported it then why aren't they doing it?

This is from early 2021:

Fewer than 1 in 5 support 'defund the police' movement, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/07/usa-today-ipsos-poll-just-18-support-defund-police-movement/4599232001/)

Though white Americans (67%) and Republicans (84%) were much more likely to oppose the movement, only 28% of Black Americans and 34% of Democrats were in favor of it.




That is why the Biden made sure to oppose it, because they would have lost all their voters if they stuck with it as most of left leaning US was against it.

[Patrick Chewing]

You are the one doing revisionist history. If the Dems supported it then why aren't they doing it?

This is from early 2021:

Fewer than 1 in 5 support 'defund the police' movement, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/07/usa-today-ipsos-poll-just-18-support-defund-police-movement/4599232001/)

Though white Americans (67%) and Republicans (84%) were much more likely to oppose the movement, only 28% of Black Americans and 34% of Democrats were in favor of it.




That is why the Biden made sure to oppose it, because they would have lost all their voters if they stuck with it as most of left leaning US was against it.

They aren't doing it because crime is up everywhere or at least there was a spike in violent crime in certain cities. :oldlol:


At least have the balls to say and admit that it was one of the dumbest and idiotic ideas the Democrats have ever come up with. We have no idea who is coming into this country, we have a population of 350 million, we release criminals as soon as they're arrested, and the best idea Democrats can come up with is less police?? :oldlol:

[Long Duck Dong]

You are the one doing revisionist history. If the Dems supported it then why aren't they doing it?

This is from early 2021:

Fewer than 1 in 5 support 'defund the police' movement, USA TODAY/Ipsos Poll finds (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/03/07/usa-today-ipsos-poll-just-18-support-defund-police-movement/4599232001/)


You are proving my point for me, read my post again. You guys were all about the "defund the police" movement in May/June of 2020. Republicans and others told you you guys were being idiots. It took less than a year to realize your mistake.


This is absolute horseshit. OTC and Bladefd coming in with that revisionist history. :lol In 2020 about 50% democrats supported the movement with the overwhelming amount of blacks supporting it . I know for sure bladefd always spoke against it but your party for damn sure was for it. By 2021 that support was drastically waning and by 2022 the movement was totally dead.


Hold the L. Own it. Cuddle with it. It's your bitch. Never forget it though because you might make the same mistake again

[ZenMaster]

"Defund the police" was never seriously pushed beyond minority of fringe left. It was idiotic anyways regardless and never a serious idea beyond a tiny minority.

If you actually studied it closely, you would realize that most people even saying "defund the police" were not saying to get rid of the cops but rather to reform the police. That includes many BLM leaders. They were labeling the curtain one thing, but the ideas behind the curtain were concerning reforms.

Exactly, defund the police = reform to remove money away from police departments in order to give to more social workers, community police etc = defunding the police.

This reform was talked about in each of the three videos that I posted as response to your retarded comment and they're all from 2020, "if you study it closely" lol.

You talk as if the rest of us can't remember the millions of people in the streets demonstrating and the media presence BLM leaders and politicians who argued for this had at the time - are you high when you write these posts?

No justiiiice no peace, defund the police!!

Now you want to change history and you'll say anything to get there, so you end up calling all the BLM leaders a bunch of idiots :biggums:

[Off the Court]

You are proving my point for me, read my post again. You guys were all about the "defund the police" movement in May/June of 2020. Republicans and others told you you guys were being idiots. It took less than a year to realize your mistake.



Hold the L. Own it. Cuddle with it. It's your bitch. Never forget it though because you might make the same mistake again
I'll hold the L if you can go find me supporting it. But you can't so you can take that L and shove it up your asshole and then down your throat while I piss all over your f@#king face. :oldlol:

I never made any mistake. You just wish I did.



And again all of this is whataboutism too. Because whataboutism is all conservatives ever have. Right now in 2022 Portland is more funded than they have ever been.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'll hold the L if you can go find me supporting it. But you can't so you can take that L and shove it up your asshole and then down your throat while I piss all over your f@#king face. :oldlol:

I never made any mistake. You just wish I did.



And again all of this is whataboutism too. Because whataboutism is all conservatives ever have. Right now in 2022 Portland is more funded than they have ever been.

Tough talk for a little bitch who can't handle adversity. And this isn't about you. You're nothing. It's about your Party. So while you may not have admitted that you supported Defunding the Police on here, millions in your Party did including the top Democrat, President Joe Biden. You've been exposed. Go create another handle so people will eventually forget how stupid this one was. :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

Tough talk for a little bitch who can't handle adversity. And this isn't about you. You're nothing. It's about your Party. So while you may not have admitted that you supported Defunding the Police on here, millions in your Party did including the top Democrat, President Joe Biden. You've been exposed. Go create another handle so people will eventually forget how stupid this one was. :oldlol:
My party is funding the police right now.

[Off the Court]

Here you guys can have this.

In 2020 there were a large percentage of black Americans who mistakenly wanted to defund the police after seeing one of their own killed by a police officer.

That's all you can have. Enjoy it. Take it in slowly. Savor it.

[Long Duck Dong]

I'll hold the L if you can go find me supporting it. But you can't so you can take that L and shove it up your asshole and then down your throat while I piss all over your f@#king face. :oldlol:

I never made any mistake. You just wish I did.



And again all of this is whataboutism too. Because whataboutism is all conservatives ever have. Right now in 2022 Portland is more funded than they have ever been.

I didn't support or participate a few hundred people going inside the capitol on Jan 6th. Neither did anyone on this forum but you guys are constantly bringing it up.

By your last few posts, it's obvious you are beginning to crack so at the risk of a meltdown I'll point out your people burnt down thousands of buildings, caused billions of dollars in destruction, billions in looting and basically held a good portion of America hostage with your disruption of every day life in the cities. Your people wanted to defund the police and tell us black lives matter but not all lives matter. You guys screwed up big time. Best to demure on this subject and focus on something else because you are getting beaten to a pulp in this thread

[Patrick Chewing]

This guy is ****ing nuts. :lol

[Off the Court]

So the Jan 6 crew aren't your people but you want to make the BLM rioters mine? Are you holding an L for Jan 6?

I can admit the rioters were wrong to do that but that isn't what this thread is about. This thread is about Portland's situation today.

[Long Duck Dong]

Here you guys can have this.

In 2020 there were a large percentage of black Americans who mistakenly wanted to defund the police after seeing one of their own killed by a police officer.

That's all you can have. Enjoy it. Take it in slowly. Savor it.

Don't worry. You guys are making some huge mistakes on immigration that you are probably going to regret and have to apologize for. The fun is just beginning. But that's a subject for another day

Your boat is full of lunatics. You are welcome to jump ship any time you want. We don't have to agree on everything. Our group can coexist with the glue of common sense

[Off the Court]

Moving onto immigration.

After realizing that Portland's police department is more funding than they've ever been. "The riots were bad though and immigrants are coming in!!!!! you apologize for those things now!!!!!"

[bladefd]

This is absolute horseshit. OTC and Bladefd coming in with that revisionist history. :lol In 2020 about 50% democrats supported the movement with the overwhelming amount of blacks supporting it . I know for sure bladefd always spoke against it but your party for damn sure was for it. By 2021 that support was drastically waning and by 2022 the movement was totally dead.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/17/poll-voters-defund-police-reforms-324774


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/64-americans-oppose-defund-police-movement-key-goals/story?id=71202300

CNN headline
"Even Democrats are now admitting 'Defund the Police' was a massive mistake"

MSNBC headline
"How Democrats went from defund to refund the police"

So yes. Half you Dems supported it in 2020 and you quickly realized your mistake... just like Republicans and common sense people told you would. And that clarity came very quickly, it took less than a year for your attitudes to begin shifting.

You were wrong. Own it. Hold the L. And live to fight another day. Trying to pretend it never happened makes you dems look even worse :lol

One things for sure. You ain't always the epitome of progress you pretend yourselves to be. You tend to go backwards every once in a while and the rest of America has to yank you by the collar, dragging your asses back into the group to keep up

As I said, if you went and asked most of those people what they mean by "defund the police", they would talk about reforms. Some idiots decided that instead of calling it what it was ("reforming the police"), they decided to go with the slogan "defund the police" to appease the small idiotic fringe minority.

[bladefd]

Exactly, defund the police = reform to remove money away from police departments in order to give to more social workers, community police etc = defunding the police.

This reform was talked about in each of the three videos that I posted as response to your retarded comment and they're all from 2020, "if you study it closely" lol.

You talk as if the rest of us can't remember the millions of people in the streets demonstrating and the media presence BLM leaders and politicians who argued for this had at the time - are you high when you write these posts?

No justiiiice no peace, defund the police!!

Now you want to change history and you'll say anything to get there, so you end up calling all the BLM leaders a bunch of idiots :biggums:

No, I talked about some of the reforms being talked about. Things like hire cops locally, de-militarize the police, do programs in the local community that allow the public to get better know their cops, etc. There was some ideas being pushed to move some of the policing funds to social workers, which does somewhat make sense for certain cases. Right now, cops handle domestic violence cases but how about you send out a social worker to handle domestic violence cases to sit down with both husband/wife & discuss it? Cops are not right to do social work so police staff should include social workers. It actually makes sense for certain cases like domestic violence, drug abuse, children abuse, elderly being taken advantage of, etc.

You are trying to change history by saying the vast majority of the democrats supported defunding the police and slashing police budgets. The fact is it never happened. Democrats had control over both houses of congress and Presidency since January 2021. The exact opposite happened - police budgets went up across the nation. Biden was resistant to defunding the police nonsense being pushed by a small minority that isn't even the majority of the "left". Only in alt-right circles is this nonsense that democrats want to defund the police if re-elected. The circles you hang out in. It's straight up propaganda.

[bladefd]

I didn't support or participate a few hundred people going inside the capitol on Jan 6th. Neither did anyone on this forum but you guys are constantly bringing it up.

By your last few posts, it's obvious you are beginning to crack so at the risk of a meltdown I'll point out your people burnt down thousands of buildings, caused billions of dollars in destruction, billions in looting and basically held a good portion of America hostage with your disruption of every day life in the cities. Your people wanted to defund the police and tell us black lives matter but not all lives matter. You guys screwed up big time. Best to demure on this subject and focus on something else because you are getting beaten to a pulp in this thread

Screwed up? Democrats regained control of congress and Presidency. Lost what?? Trump lost by 8mill votes and lost in the electoral college by quite a bit to someone as flawed as Biden. America said "no" to trumpism. Yet on January 6, a fringe left marched on the capitol to take over capitol hill & not allow the electoral college process to go forth. Folks there were willing to kill the vice-president and members of congress if they got their hands on them.

[bladefd]

Moving onto immigration.

After realizing that Portland's police department is more funding than they've ever been. "The riots were bad though and immigrants are coming in!!!!! you apologize for those things now!!!!!"

You are beating them down into pulp, and they keep coming back for more. It's comical. It's like the domestic violence wife who refuses to press charges on her husband and keeps returning to get her head bashed in. Seriously. Chewbacca, long duck, ZenMaster seem to be enjoying getting their heads bashed.

[Patrick Chewing]

Folks there were willing to kill the vice-president and members of congress if they got their hands on them.

No one was willing to kill the Vice President or members of Congress.


You strike me as someone who pees sitting down.



https://i.ibb.co/njcDSV9/blade1.jpg

[SATAN]

Biggest/fattest brainwashed fgt in ish history above this post.

[Patrick Chewing]

SATAN/RRR3 comes when I call:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?506597-Stupidest-poster-when-it-comes-to-the-NBA&p=14660830&viewfull=1#post14660830

Got him looking for me within two minutes.

:oldlol:

[SATAN]

Hurr durr save me Donald! Totally care about me!

ftfy

[HoopsNY]

As I said, if you went and asked most of those people what they mean by "defund the police", they would talk about reforms. Some idiots decided that instead of calling it what it was ("reforming the police"), they decided to go with the slogan "defund the police" to appease the small idiotic fringe minority.

Yea but even that is a mistake. We're seeing in NYC homeless people attacking civilians with knives and guns. No "social-worker" can stop that. You need police involved in that process because it simply isn't safe to approach anyone who is in crisis mode, no matter how much you may think otherwise.

[Hey Yo]

Screwed up? Democrats regained control of congress and Presidency. Lost what?? Trump lost by 8mill votes and lost in the electoral college by quite a bit to someone as flawed as Biden. America said "no" to trumpism. Yet on January 6, a fringe left marched on the capitol to take over capitol hill & not allow the electoral college process to go forth. Folks there were willing to kill the vice-president and members of congress if they got their hands on them.
So why is the white house so scared of Trump winning in 2024 in he decides to run?? Why can't Biden stop talking about Trump instead of what's currently ****ed up with our country? Shouldn't whomever the Dems trot out there in 2024 be a slam dunk win over "trumpism?

[HoopsNY]

No, I talked about some of the reforms being talked about. Things like hire cops locally, de-militarize the police, do programs in the local community that allow the public to get better know their cops, etc. There was some ideas being pushed to move some of the policing funds to social workers, which does somewhat make sense for certain cases. Right now, cops handle domestic violence cases but how about you send out a social worker to handle domestic violence cases to sit down with both husband/wife & discuss it? Cops are not right to do social work so police staff should include social workers. It actually makes sense for certain cases like domestic violence, drug abuse, children abuse, elderly being taken advantage of, etc.

1- Hiring cops locally is a bad idea because police can be targeted for their work. It simply isn't safe for a cop to work in say, the South Bronx, when he also lives there.

2- I'm not sure what you mean by demilitarize the police. Can you explain?

3- Community outreach is being done nationwide. There are programs everywhere where cops engage with the local communities and even do outreach through the school. Check out the Explorers program in NYC as one example.

4- Domestic violence cases being solved by a social worker makes little sense if the husband or male (92% of cases) is beating his wife. A violent person needs to be met with violence or be restrained. A social worker cannot intervene in such a situation many if not most of the time. A violent man, particularly larger males, pose a significant threat to the population during the act of violence.

5- Child abuse even more so. But there already is CPS involved in these cases, so not sure why you think they're not?


You are trying to change history by saying the vast majority of the democrats supported defunding the police and slashing police budgets. The fact is it never happened. Democrats had control over both houses of congress and Presidency since January 2021. The exact opposite happened - police budgets went up across the nation. Biden was resistant to defunding the police nonsense being pushed by a small minority that isn't even the majority of the "left". Only in alt-right circles is this nonsense that democrats want to defund the police if re-elected. The circles you hang out in. It's straight up propaganda.

This is a case where two truths can exist at the same time, just in different ways. The reality is that many cities across America DID vote to defund the police, and in some cases did. However, they quickly turned that around and added to their police budgets once they saw how insane of a move that was, as crime trended upward at an astronomical level. And some cities defunded while others didn't. It's all here...


According to research compiled by Bloomberg CityLab, the 50 largest U.S. cities reduced their 2021 police budgets by 5.2% in aggregate, while average law enforcement spending as a share of direct expenditures in those cities remained stable.

Of the 50 cities, more than half increased or maintained their police budgets last year. The increases amounted to 8.6% in Tampa, 5.4% in San Diego, and 4.6% in Atlanta.

Some of the remaining cities made substantial cuts, more in line with the defunding movement that calls for shifting police spending toward social and community services. The Austin, Texas, City Council voted last summer to cut $21.5 million from the police budget and transfer another $128 million from the Police Department to other city departments. So contrary to the Twitter claim, there has been some defunding.



https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/18/tweets/some-police-budgets-are-increasing-evidence-nation/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/18/tweets/some-police-budgets-are-increasing-evidence-nation/)

[ZenMaster]

No, I talked about some of the reforms being talked about. Things like hire cops locally, de-militarize the police, do programs in the local community that allow the public to get better know their cops, etc. There was some ideas being pushed to move some of the policing funds to social workers, which does somewhat make sense for certain cases. Right now, cops handle domestic violence cases but how about you send out a social worker to handle domestic violence cases to sit down with both husband/wife & discuss it? Cops are not right to do social work so police staff should include social workers. It actually makes sense for certain cases like domestic violence, drug abuse, children abuse, elderly being taken advantage of, etc.

You are trying to change history by saying the vast majority of the democrats supported defunding the police and slashing police budgets. The fact is it never happened. Democrats had control over both houses of congress and Presidency since January 2021. The exact opposite happened - police budgets went up across the nation. Biden was resistant to defunding the police nonsense being pushed by a small minority that isn't even the majority of the "left". Only in alt-right circles is this nonsense that democrats want to defund the police if re-elected. The circles you hang out in. It's straight up propaganda.

It didn't happen, but it doesn't change the fact that BLM and Democrats were allowed to terrorize the streets a whole summer behind support from the opinion that it should happen.

From mid 2020, not 2021:



As for the “Defund the Police” movement, it garners support from 48 percent of Democrats, 11 percent of Republicans and 26 percent of independents.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/17/poll-voters-defund-police-reforms-324774

[Long Duck Dong]

As I said, if you went and asked most of those people what they mean by "defund the police", they would talk about reforms. Some idiots decided that instead of calling it what it was ("reforming the police"), they decided to go with the slogan "defund the police" to appease the small idiotic fringe minority.

Wrong again. Read the links. One of the polls has 2 separate questions. One for defunding the police and the other for using some police money for different types of law enforcement practices(reform). For Democrats they are both within 2 percentage points of each other. Dems could have said yes to the reform and no to defund the police but you guys answered the questions at almost the same percentage.

The Democrats have calmed down on the nonsense, but you guys were beating that defund the police drum no two ways about it and came to regret it. We told you so....deal with it however you like

[bladefd]

No one was willing to kill the Vice President or members of Congress.


You strike me as someone who pees sitting down.



https://i.ibb.co/njcDSV9/blade1.jpg

https://images.radio.com/aiu-media/GettyImages1230472859-1-ba3a208a-d7c0-4510-8a0e-8ab26146c078.jpg

Remember the "hang Mike Pence" chants?? They were also searching for Pelosi or any Congressional representative/Senator they could find.

[bladefd]

So why is the white house so scared of Trump winning in 2024 in he decides to run?? Why can't Biden stop talking about Trump instead of what's currently ****ed up with our country? Shouldn't whomever the Dems trot out there in 2024 be a slam dunk win over "trumpism?

Because Democrats can't run Biden again. They need to find another decent candidate and fast by next summer.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://images.radio.com/aiu-media/GettyImages1230472859-1-ba3a208a-d7c0-4510-8a0e-8ab26146c078.jpg

Remember the "hang Mike Pence" chants?? They were also searching for Pelosi or any Congressional representative/Senator they could find.

It's called "optics" you fool. You're being disingenuous.

Don't forget Ashli Babbitt. You've got her blood on your hands.

[bladefd]

1- Hiring cops locally is a bad idea because police can be targeted for their work. It simply isn't safe for a cop to work in say, the South Bronx, when he also lives there.

2- I'm not sure what you mean by demilitarize the police. Can you explain?

3- Community outreach is being done nationwide. There are programs everywhere where cops engage with the local communities and even do outreach through the school. Check out the Explorers program in NYC as one example.

4- Domestic violence cases being solved by a social worker makes little sense if the husband or male (92% of cases) is beating his wife. A violent person needs to be met with violence or be restrained. A social worker cannot intervene in such a situation many if not most of the time. A violent man, particularly larger males, pose a significant threat to the population during the act of violence.

5- Child abuse even more so. But there already is CPS involved in these cases, so not sure why you think they're not?



This is a case where two truths can exist at the same time, just in different ways. The reality is that many cities across America DID vote to defund the police, and in some cases did. However, they quickly turned that around and added to their police budgets once they saw how insane of a move that was, as crime trended upward at an astronomical level. And some cities defunded while others didn't. It's all here...



https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/18/tweets/some-police-budgets-are-increasing-evidence-nation/ (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/18/tweets/some-police-budgets-are-increasing-evidence-nation/)

1- Hiring locally is a good idea because the public needs to be acclimated with who is policing them. The police could be acclimated with the community they are policing. That's how things used to be for a very very long time, and it worked well.

2- A lot of police stations are buying military vehicles and assault weapons meant for war. Some of it is probably overdone.

3- People were calling for more of that.

4- Social worker can certainly be trained to do that. Cops are not trained to do social work to appease domestic abuse and fights between spouses.

5-




Which cities voted to slash police funds and went along with it? Portland slashed about 12 million from something like a $240 budget for 1 year. Who else? Show me articles that show that many of these cities slashed their police budgets, saw an astronomical rise in crime, and quickly raised their police budgets. Democrats have been in power since January 2021 in both houses of Congress and the presidency. Police budgets nationwide have increased under that power. That's a fact. There is nothing left to argue.

[bladefd]

It didn't happen, but it doesn't change the fact that BLM and Democrats were allowed to terrorize the streets a whole summer behind support from the opinion that it should happen.

From mid 2020, not 2021:



https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/17/poll-voters-defund-police-reforms-324774

It is irrelevant what the poll said during the height after the Floyd murder when people were outraged & emotional. Actions speak louder than words. The action is obvious - Democrats have been in power since January 2021 in both houses of Congress and the presidency. Police budgets nationwide have increased under that power. That's a fact. There is nothing to argue.

[bladefd]

It's called "optics" you fool. You're being disingenuous.

Don't forget Ashli Babbitt. You've got her blood on your hands.

What optics? Chants of "Hang Mike Pence" happened. Assault on the Capitol Hill happened. The assaulters were searching for Congress members. January 6 insurrection attempt happened and failed. Trump lost to Biden. Truth and facts. Get over it. Life goes on.

[Patrick Chewing]

What optics? Chants of "Hang Mike Pence" happened. Assault on the Capitol Hill happened. The assaulters were searching for Congress members. January 6 insurrection attempt happened and failed. Trump lost to Biden. Truth and facts. Get over it. Life goes on.

Ahh yes, so when someone yells out to hang someone, it's a clear indication that it's actually going to happen. :oldlol:

[bladefd]

Ahh yes, so when someone yells out to hang someone, it's a clear indication that it's actually going to happen. :oldlol:

The crowd tried to reach Pence/Congress person while chanting to kill but failed. Attempted insurrection is still a crime just like attempted robbery. Judge won't say "Ohh, you tried but failed?? No charges! You can go back home free because your attempted crime failed!"

What would Pence's secret service have done if the crowd reached them? Hand over Pence on account of them being only words? Maybe smile & hug the friendly insurrectionists... I mean the tourists... inside Capitol Hill? :rolleyes:

[Lakers Legend#32]

The crowd tried to reach Pence/Congress person while chanting to kill but failed. Attempted insurrection is still a crime just like attempted robbery. Judge won't say "Ohh, you tried but failed?? No charges! You can go back home free because your attempted crime failed!"

What would Pence's secret service have done if the crowd reached them? Hand over Pence on account of them being only words? Maybe smile & hug the friendly insurrectionists... I mean the tourists... inside Capitol Hill? :rolleyes:

Republican Senator Josh Hawley ran like a little b!tch from his supporters/insurrectionists because it was only about words.

[RRR3]

Defunding the police is wrong because it doesn’t go far enough. Abolish the police. Before anyone says “but but but what if there’s a violent criminal”, that’s why people should be armed. Having a gun protects you against violent offenders. You’re a lot more likely to live if you shoot the serial killer rather than calling the police and hoping they somehow don’t kill you before the cops get there.

[jstern]

No one was willing to kill the Vice President or members of Congress.


You strike me as someone who pees sitting down.



https://i.ibb.co/njcDSV9/blade1.jpg

I knew it (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500024-Racist-joe-biden-s-ancestors-were-slave-owners&p=14656996&viewfull=1#post14656996). I knew Blade peed like a girl.

[ZenMaster]

It is irrelevant what the poll said during the height after the Floyd murder when people were outraged & emotional.
Actions speak louder than words. The action is obvious - Democrats have been in power since January 2021 in both houses of Congress and the presidency. Police budgets nationwide have increased under that power. That's a fact. There is nothing to argue.

It's definitely not irrelevant when you allow areas and cities to be terrorized behind the opinion that it should happen. It's non organic creating of chaos and at the time it was used in a roundabout way as to why independents shouldn't vote for Trump, "doesn't matter how it got to this point, shit it wild and it needs to end, which can only happen if Trump is out of office".


https://youtu.be/UdDqxehRxPc


https://youtu.be/NTg1ynIPGls

"How important is it for this protest to continue?" Colbert asked.

"It's critically important" Kamala Harris replied.

Don't worry bladed, the rest of us remember and you pretending otherwise doesn't change anything.

Get in the streets and **** the police, no justiiiice no peace, defund the police!

[Patrick Chewing]

I knew it (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500024-Racist-joe-biden-s-ancestors-were-slave-owners&p=14656996&viewfull=1#post14656996). I knew Blade peed like a girl.

:lol

[Patrick Chewing]

It's definitely not irrelevant when you allow areas and cities to be terrorized behind the opinion that it should happen. It's non organic creating of chaos and at the time it was used in a roundabout way as to why independents shouldn't vote for Trump, "doesn't matter how it got to this point, shit it wild and it needs to end, which can only happen if Trump is out of office".


https://youtu.be/UdDqxehRxPc


https://youtu.be/NTg1ynIPGls

"How important is it for this protest to continue?" Colbert asked.

"It's critically important" Kamala Harris replied.

Don't worry bladed, the rest of us remember and you pretending otherwise doesn't change anything.

Get in the streets and **** the police, no justiiiice no peace, defund the police!

"It's just a fringe minority"


:lol

[bladefd]

It's definitely not irrelevant when you allow areas and cities to be terrorized behind the opinion that it should happen. It's non organic creating of chaos and at the time it was used in a roundabout way as to why independents shouldn't vote for Trump, "doesn't matter how it got to this point, shit it wild and it needs to end, which can only happen if Trump is out of office".


https://youtu.be/UdDqxehRxPc


https://youtu.be/NTg1ynIPGls

"How important is it for this protest to continue?" Colbert asked.

"It's critically important" Kamala Harris replied.

Don't worry bladed, the rest of us remember and you pretending otherwise doesn't change anything.

Get in the streets and **** the police, no justiiiice no peace, defund the police!

Doesn't matter what Harris or colbert said. What we have in front of us are the actions. The Floyd protests lasted one summer. History books will not remember what the polls or public were saying but rather what the actions were. In the end, actions speak louder than words. The overall actions were that there was no meaningful amount of funds being pulled from the police across the country. There was no widespread push for defunding the police beyond a small minority - in the poll you posted from the peak of the 2020 protests, not even half of the democrat party believed in "defunding the police". Biden was resistant to pulling police funds and vowed to increase the police funds. That's a fact. Actions speak not words.

[ZenMaster]

Doesn't matter what Harris or colbert said. What we have in front of us are the actions. The Floyd protests lasted one summer. History books will not remember what the polls or public were saying but rather what the actions were. In the end, actions speak louder than words. The overall actions were that there was no meaningful amount of funds being pulled from the police across the country. There was no widespread push for defunding the police beyond a small minority - in the poll you posted from the peak of the 2020 protests, not even half of the democrat party believed in "defunding the police". Biden was resistant to pulling police funds and vowed to increase the police funds. That's a fact. Actions speak not words.

Everything you post here has already been disproven by other posters to have happened differently, and what you're doing is just selecting an arbitrary moment in time and pretend nothing of what has happened in the meantime has had any consequences.


Two years after Democratic officials across the country aligned themselves with protesters demanding the police be reined in and progressives backed the elections of reformist prosecutors, the mayors of many of the nation's largest cities are now reversing course and leading calls for a tougher stance on crime.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democrats-went-defund-refund-police-rcna14796

Reducing the budget is an action.
Pushing to get new prosecutors is an action.
Telling democrat supporters to donate to bail out funds for arrested protesters looking to create chaos is an action.

Also, going by numbers posted by yourself, the Portland budget is up to 249 million from 236 in 2019. Comparing the worth of a dollar in 2019 to 2022 and factoring in a rise in energy prices(which is obviously a major expense for police), they still effectively have less funds today.

As for consequences in the meantime, I do believe Nanners and others who claim to live in Portland has written descriptions in other threads about how things have decayed within that period.

[bladefd]

Everything you post here has already been disproven by other posters to have happened differently, and what you're doing is just selecting an arbitrary moment in time and pretend nothing of what has happened in the meantime has had any consequences.



https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democrats-went-defund-refund-police-rcna14796

Reducing the budget is an action.
Pushing to get new prosecutors is an action.
Telling democrat supporters to donate to bail out funds for arrested protesters looking to create chaos is an action.

Also, going by numbers posted by yourself, the Portland budget is up to 249 million from 236 in 2019. Comparing the worth of a dollar in 2019 to 2022 and factoring in a rise in energy prices(which is obviously a major expense for police), they still effectively have less funds today.

As for consequences in the meantime, I do believe Nanners and others who claim to live in Portland has written descriptions in other threads about how things have decayed within that period.

It was not a majority of the party as I said. A fringe left pushed for it. The poll you mentioned did not even have 51% of the Democrat party wanting to defund the police. It was not something widely accepted, which was why Biden would increase the police funds.

Also, 2020's Portland police budget of 239mill in 2020 money is equal to (after accounting for inflation) 247mill in 2021, which is when the budget is set for fiscal year 2022. The actual fiscal budget set was over 249mill so it actually went up around 2 and half million between 2020 & 2022 after accounting for inflation at https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/. 2021 was the only year that the budget went down & it was temporary.

[SATAN]

ZenMaster lives in Europe and is obsessed with Donald Trump. He has a Pepe avatar.

Just saying.

[Nanners]

ZenMaster lives in Europe and is obsessed with Donald Trump. He has a Pepe avatar.

Just saying.

ZenMaster is 100x more of an american than any libtard commie like you

[Nanners]

Its been ~2 years since the BLM riots, and yet still half of the ground floor windows in downtown Portland are boarded up, and there is still hateful antifa graffiti plastered ALL over downtown.

And for anyone who says that the riots have had no effect on Portland or our police force - in 2018 Portland had 27 homicides, in 2019 the city had 32 homicides, in 2020 the city had 54 homicides, and last year the city had 90 homicides (which set an all time record for the city). How many other American cities have seen their homicide rate triple in the past 4 years?

Surely this dramatic explosion in violent deaths has nothing to do with the fact that our libtarded city council decided to disband the gun violence task force that had been the primary force working on investigating and preventing gang shootings in this city.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Portland City commissioner Jo Ann Hardesty, along with protestors, fought to have the police budget cut by 50 million. Eventually the city council voted to decrease the Police budget by 15 million.

A year later the homicide rate reached the highest its been since the 80s- now that same city council voted to add back 5.2 million dollars to the police budget. Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler admits, “Many Portlanders no longer feel safe.”

Portland is dealing with the ramifications of defunding the police. You can’t argue that.

[Nanners]

Portland is dealing with the ramifications of defunding the police. You can’t argue that.

Even if Portland Police were properly funded, I still doubt they would be capable of getting this city under control... theres blatant lawlessness on virtually every street corner of central pdx these days, they cant even stop the street racing gangs who are shutting down highways and major arteries every weekend, and the cops seem to be utterly hopeless against the ongoing gang war in east portland.

[JohnnySic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdssiCvWYAA2Vxk?format=jpg&name=small

[Patrick Chewing]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FdssiCvWYAA2Vxk?format=jpg&name=small

@bladefd @Off the Court

[Spuddywebby]

The Defund the Police movement, orchestrated by “activists” and rich elites backing them, was a racist money grab that only hurt the poor/working class brown and black communities that it was allegedly fighting for. It’s been pretty sad to see. The politicians virtue signal, the white guilt people give money, the activists leaders live high on the hog, the everyday working person living in a low income area has to deal with rising crime and murder rates. Criminals being released back into the community after commuting crime after crime. Rich neighborhoods are fine. The neighborhoods politicians live in are fine. The BLM leadership is fine. But the people caught in the crossfire, the ones getting attacked randomly in the trains, the ones working in fast food places and getting shot because of cold fries, they are not doing too good.