Chris Bosh: “To replace LeBron as the GOAT someone will have to play 18+ years”

[AirBonner]

Of prime basketball. Chris Bosh bringing the facts

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[coastalmarker99]

Outside of one bubble year in 2020


Lebron has done nothing since year 15 besides stat pad his longevity totals and All NBA teams.



On the other hand, Jordan was so secure in his Goat status that he walked away twice in his prime and most people still consider him the Goat.


Furthermore

Michael Jordan played 11 full seasons for the Chicago Bulls.

He led the league in scoring in 10 of those seasons

In addition to claiming the scoring title in those other 10 seasons with Chicago, MJ was 9x 1st team All-Defense including a DPOY award in '88, 5x MVP, and 6x Finals MVP.

MJ's dominance is well known, as well as most of his accomplishments.
But the fact he achieved so much in essentially just 10 seasons worth of work is incredible.

Other great players such as Kobe, Kareem, and Duncan (also probably LeBron) spend close to 20 years in the league and still fall short of matching MJ's achievements.

[SouBeachTalents]

Outside of one bubble year in 2020


Lebron has done nothing since year 15 besides stat pad his longevity totals and All NBA teams.



On the other hand, Jordan was so secure in his Goat status that he walked away twice in his prime and most people still consider him the Goat.


Furthermore

Michael Jordan played 11 full seasons for the Chicago Bulls.

He led the league in scoring in 10 of those seasons

In addition to claiming the scoring title in those other 10 seasons with Chicago, MJ was 9x 1st team All-Defense including a DPOY award in '88, 5x MVP, and 6x Finals MVP.

MJ's dominance is well known, as well as most of his accomplishments. But the fact he achieved so much in essentially just 10 seasons worth of work is incredible.

Other great players such as Kobe, Kareem, and Duncan (also probably LeBron) spend close to 20 years in the league and still fall short of matching MJ's achievements.
I've seen people bring this theory up before, and it's completely ridiculous :lol. Players clearly play longer today than they did 25 years ago, and GOAT status has nothing to do with it. Brady has a stronger case for GOAT in his sport than Jordan does and he's still out here playing in his 23rd season at 45. Nadal & Djokovic are in their late 30's and will probably play until 40, which is what Federer did. It's silly to theorize LeBron would've retired already if he was the consensus GOAT, and Brady still playing completely debunks this theory.

[iamgine]

lol why? Because Chris Bosh says so? :lol

[SATAN]

lol why? Because Chris Bosh says so? :lol

Because an increasing number of people that aren't casuals or 50 year old media whores come to the realization.

[TheGoatest]

Bosh knows how extraordinary it is to accomplish what LeBron is doing. There are many players who can play at an elite level for an 8-10 year stretch. There are a couple who can do so for a 12-14 year stretch. But so far only one who has done it for 18 seasons. :applause:

[┌∩┐(﹒︠益﹒︡)┌∩┐]

So if someone is a fringe all star for 25 years straight do they surpass him? Seems like Chris Bosh believes so.

[TheMan]

lol why? Because Chris Bosh says so? :lol

Scrub Bosh, according to the LeStans. I can't take serious what a player the same LeFam disregard as a scrub :confusedshrug:

[Spurs m8]

Doesn't even make sense lol

[GrayGoat]

Scrub Bosh, according to the LeStans. I can't take serious what a player the same LeFam disregard as a scrub :confusedshrug:

It’s funny because Bosh came to this realization when he scored 0pts in a finals game and LeBron still carried them to victory

[Full Court]

Outside of one bubble year in 2020


Lebron has done nothing since year 15 besides stat pad his longevity totals and All NBA teams.



On the other hand, Jordan was so secure in his Goat status that he walked away twice in his prime and most people still consider him the Goat.


Furthermore

Michael Jordan played 11 full seasons for the Chicago Bulls.

He led the league in scoring in 10 of those seasons

In addition to claiming the scoring title in those other 10 seasons with Chicago, MJ was 9x 1st team All-Defense including a DPOY award in '88, 5x MVP, and 6x Finals MVP.

MJ's dominance is well known, as well as most of his accomplishments.
But the fact he achieved so much in essentially just 10 seasons worth of work is incredible.

Other great players such as Kobe, Kareem, and Duncan (also probably LeBron) spend close to 20 years in the league and still fall short of matching MJ's achievements.

That's a pretty good summary right there. Bronies will have a hard time comprehending it though.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Truth

[Johnny32]

Outside of one bubble year in 2020


Lebron has done nothing since year 15 besides stat pad his longevity totals and All NBA teams.



On the other hand, Jordan was so secure in his Goat status that he walked away twice in his prime and most people still consider him the Goat.


Furthermore

Michael Jordan played 11 full seasons for the Chicago Bulls.

He led the league in scoring in 10 of those seasons

In addition to claiming the scoring title in those other 10 seasons with Chicago, MJ was 9x 1st team All-Defense including a DPOY award in '88, 5x MVP, and 6x Finals MVP.

MJ's dominance is well known, as well as most of his accomplishments.
But the fact he achieved so much in essentially just 10 seasons worth of work is incredible.

Other great players such as Kobe, Kareem, and Duncan (also probably LeBron) spend close to 20 years in the league and still fall short of matching MJ's achievements.

it isn't 1993 dumbass...means absolutely nothing.

[Johnny32]

oh and back in reality and current times...mj was so hurrr, secure in his legacy as the goat...that he green-lighted an old 98 bulls doc he previously had no interest in doing until 3-1 happened.

[bison]

Considering Jordan achieved more than lebron in fewer sessions, Bosh’s logic therefore makes absolutely no sense.

[Rysio]

Lol no if someone out produces him and wins like 5-6 Rings in 10 seasons he'd be above him.

[TheGoatest]

oh and back in reality and current times...mj was so hurrr, secure in his legacy as the goat...that he green-lighted an old 98 bulls doc he previously had no interest in doing until 3-1 happened.

Damn, he approved that propaganda "documentary" on the very day of the 2016 Cavs championship parade.. So insecure that he's not even trying to hide it. :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

Lol no if someone out produces him and wins like 5-6 Rings in 10 seasons he'd be above him.

No, that's jordon you're thinking of. Going by jordon extremists' very own "logic" that they've created for measuring GOATness, it is possible for someone to surpass jordon in a 10 season span.
Going by the objective, rational logic for measuring GOATness, it would take more like 20 seasons for someone to surpass LeBron.

[SATAN]

Damn, he approved that propaganda "documentary" on the very day of the 2016 Cavs championship parade.. So insecure that he's not even trying to hide it. :oldlol:

In 2020, during the middle of a raging pandemic and the NBA finals, suddenly one of Michael Jordan's old films is playing in almost empty cinemas. Hmmm...It seems a 10 part documentary about himself (The Last Dance) wasn't enough for old Mikey to take the spot light away from the GOAT.

Now LeBron's about to break Kareem's record.

Michael Jordan: "Let me get on that NBA2k real quick".

:coleman:

[TheMan]

In 2020, during the middle of a raging pandemic and the NBA finals, suddenly one of Michael Jordan's old films is playing in almost empty cinemas. Hmmm...It seems a 10 part documentary about himself (The Last Dance) wasn't enough for old Mikey to take the spot light away from the GOAT.

Now LeBron's about to break Kareem's record.

Michael Jordan: "Let me get on that NBA2k real quick".

:coleman:

Enjoy polls showing 75-25 for MJ GOAT for the foreseeable future Bronies

[SATAN]

75% of people are sheep who have no idea what they are talking about. Just following trends, waiting to be told what to look at next.

[TheMan]

75% of people are sheep who have no idea what they are talking about. Just following trends, waiting to be told what to look at next.

Stop pretending most sports media aren't pushing the LeBron GOAT narrative. It's in the NBA's ratings interest to push a current player as the GOAT. It's actually amazing the vast majority of fans aren't eating it up.

[SATAN]

Stop pretending most sports media aren't pushing the LeBron GOAT narrative. It's in the NBA's ratings interest to push a current player as the GOAT. It's actually amazing the vast majority of fans aren't eating it up.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/008/305/its-a-conspiracy.jpg

:oldlol:

Like who? Some media guys and ex players think he's the best ever. Perhaps they actually believe it. It's not like they are ramming it down people's throats.

[2much_knowledge]

Outside of one bubble year in 2020


Lebron has done nothing since year 15 besides stat pad his longevity totals and All NBA teams.



On the other hand, Jordan was so secure in his Goat status that he walked away twice in his prime and most people still consider him the Goat.


Furthermore

Michael Jordan played 11 full seasons for the Chicago Bulls.

He led the league in scoring in 10 of those seasons

In addition to claiming the scoring title in those other 10 seasons with Chicago, MJ was 9x 1st team All-Defense including a DPOY award in '88, 5x MVP, and 6x Finals MVP.

MJ's dominance is well known, as well as most of his accomplishments.
But the fact he achieved so much in essentially just 10 seasons worth of work is incredible.

Other great players such as Kobe, Kareem, and Duncan (also probably LeBron) spend close to 20 years in the league and still fall short of matching MJ's achievements.

1st comment shut down. Pack it up boys

[Overdrive]

Alot of players play(ed) 18+ years. So that's the GOAT criterea now?

The GOAT debate is retarded and the dumbed down critereas people use even more so.

[8Ball]

Of prime basketball. Chris Bosh bringing the facts

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I keep saying it.


Once LeBron retires, the OG's that used to suck MJ will crown Bron as the GOAT once he becomes an "old head" like them.


Bran will become part of their "nolstalgia", except he is a better player than MJ was. It's human nature.

[8Ball]

Alot of players play(ed) 18+ years. So that's the GOAT criterea now?

The GOAT debate is retarded and the dumbed down critereas people use even more so.

Who has 18 all-nba teams?

[TheGoatest]

I keep saying it.


Once LeBron retires, the OG's that used to suck MJ will crown Bron as the GOAT once he becomes an "old head" like them.


Bran will become part of their "nolstalgia", except he is a better player than MJ was. It's human nature.

I doubt that jordon extremists who are emotionally and nostalgically attached to jordon will ever admit that LeBron is better than jordon as long as they live. They are brainwashed. Them listening to reason and admitting that LeBron is better is as likely as one kid admitting to another that his dad is stronger than their own dad. And many of them have exposed their hand by saying that LeBron will "never" be better than jordon in 2010, before a third of LeBron's career was finished.

However, the difference is that when both LeBron and jordon are long retired and any nostalgia wears off, LeBron's career will be deemed superior by those who are truly objective and not emotionally attached to either.

[MrFonzworth]

I doubt that jordon extremists who are emotionally and nostalgically attached to jordon will ever admit that LeBron is better than jordon as long as they live. They are brainwashed. Them listening to reason and admitting that LeBron is better is as likely as one kid admitting to another that his dad is stronger than their own dad.

However, the difference is that when both LeBron and jordon are long retired and any nostalgia wears off, LeBron's career will be deemed superior by those who are truly objective and not emotionally attached to either.

Weird how you post exclusively this kind of garbage at all times of the day. Nice life loser.

[TheGoatest]

Who has 18 all-nba teams?

18? Hell, who has 16?

[9sholmes]

Who made the rule that a person has to play 18 plus years to replace LeBron as the GOAT?

[TheMan]

Weird how you post exclusively this kind of garbage at all times of the day. Nice life loser.

Either he's on Bran's payroll or he's ISH's biggest incel neckbearded virgin. All that wishful posting still not moving the needle on bit :lol

[Full Court]

Think about it...

To replace Jordan as the GOAT, someone will have to have at least 6 FMPVs, three-peat multiple times while winning organically (not by team-hopping or colluding), win 10 or more scoring titles, be DPOY caliber on the other end of the court, at least 9 all defensive first teams, etc.

So Lebron's pretty close. All he has to do before he retires is find a way to meet....


ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA.

:lebronamazed:

Ponder this deeply, Bronies.

[FKAri]

Who made the rule that a person has to play 18 plus years to replace LeBron as the GOAT?

Dr. Christopher Wesson Bosh. Ph.D in Hoopology. Tenured professor at Yale's History and Philosophy department. He's the preeminent historian, theorist, philosopher, tactician, and mathematician of Hoopology. After revolutionizing analytics and training he's moved on to tackle broader issues with papers such as:

Existentialist Implications of Basketball Without Courts
The Topology of a Basketball as a Function of the Fine Structure Constant
Basketball Necessitates Abiogenesis, a priori

[Overdrive]

Who has 18 all-nba teams?

Can't find anything about All-NBA teams in Bosh' quote. Can you point me to it?

[outofstomach]

Weird how you post exclusively this kind of garbage at all times of the day. Nice life loser.:lol

[kawhileonard2]

Chris Bosh on Dirk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG89UZRq5zo

[Axe]

Looks like jordan being the consensus goat wasn't enough for madonna to choose him over tree trunk pippen. :oldlol:

[Spurs m8]

Think about it...

To replace Jordan as the GOAT, someone will have to have at least 6 FMPVs, three-peat multiple times while winning organically (not by team-hopping or colluding), win 10 or more scoring titles, be DPOY caliber on the other end of the court, at least 9 all defensive first teams, etc.

So Lebron's pretty close. All he has to do before he retires is find a way to meet....


ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA.

:lebronamazed:

Ponder this deeply, Bronies.

Wow.

All without teaming up with his oppositions 1st options...multiple times

GOAT.

[Baller789]

Looks like jordan being the consensus goat wasn't enough for madonna to choose him over tree trunk pippen. :oldlol:

That tree trunk must have been overrated since Larsa left him.

[8Ball]

I doubt that jordon extremists who are emotionally and nostalgically attached to jordon will ever admit that LeBron is better than jordon as long as they live. They are brainwashed. Them listening to reason and admitting that LeBron is better is as likely as one kid admitting to another that his dad is stronger than their own dad. And many of them have exposed their hand by saying that LeBron will "never" be better than jordon in 2010, before a third of LeBron's career was finished.

However, the difference is that when both LeBron and jordon are long retired and any nostalgia wears off, LeBron's career will be deemed superior by those who are truly objective and not emotionally attached to either.

Correct.

Once LeBron retires and becomes part of the nostalgia himself or the nostalgic MJ fans have died in the grave, people will have clear eyes when analyzing the players.

People are nostalgic about MJ because that was when they were young, a better version of themselves, and passionate about NBA basketball. MJ represents that time in their lives when things were personally better in their life than they are now. Most MJ fans are old, balding, out of shape, lived a mediocre life. And Jordan was the bright light that reminded them of a better youth.

I am pretty sure 30 years from now, it will be 95% LeBron is the GOAT camp since Bron is just a superior player. Nobody disputes that Bron is better at playing basketball.

[Full Court]

Correct.

Once LeBron retires and becomes part of the nostalgia himself or the nostalgic MJ fans have died in the grave, people will have clear eyes when analyzing the players.

People are nostalgic about MJ because that was when they were young, a better version of themselves, and passionate about NBA basketball. MJ represents that time in their lives when things were personally better in their life than they are now. Most MJ fans are old, balding, out of shape, lived a mediocre life. And Jordan was the bright light that reminded them of a better youth.

I am pretty sure 30 years from now, it will be 95% LeBron is the GOAT camp since Bron is just a superior player. Nobody disputes that Bron is better at playing basketball.

:roll: Does this guy live under a Canadian rock? No one with access to the internet has an excuse for being this ignorant. Pretty much everybody, even 20 years after he retired, says Jordan is the better player.

And Bronie won't have nearly the same level of nostalgia because of things like this:

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[TheMan]

Correct.

Once LeBron retires and becomes part of the nostalgia himself or the nostalgic MJ fans have died in the grave, people will have clear eyes when analyzing the players.

People are nostalgic about MJ because that was when they were young, a better version of themselves, and passionate about NBA basketball. MJ represents that time in their lives when things were personally better in their life than they are now. Most MJ fans are old, balding, out of shape, lived a mediocre life. And Jordan was the bright light that reminded them of a better youth.

I am pretty sure 30 years from now, it will be 95% LeBron is the GOAT camp since Bron is just a superior player. Nobody disputes that Bron is better at playing basketball.

ROFL :roll:

There are polls (ESPN did one a couple years ago) where they break it down by demographics, MJ even wins amongst youngsters, understandably not as large a margin as with older people who saw both but even amongst younger people who never saw MJ in real time, enough videos are out there on YouTube where only the most hardheaded LeBronsexuals cling to their King as the GOAT. This is truly delusional to think that in 20 years LeBron will be consensus GOAT. That should be the case RIGHT NOW. MJ was seen as the GOAT by his first 3peat, his second threepeat put it out of reach for anyone else. Bran not being seen as the GOAT by the majority now won't change with time, recency bias is on his side and poll after poll today has MJ destroying him 75-20 :lol

[Shooter]

Considering Jordan achieved more than lebron in fewer sessions, Bosh’s logic therefore makes absolutely no sense.

Yeaaahh no :lol Let me know when 5,987 is "more" than Goat 7,631 :lol And stop at 6 vs 4 cuz Russell has 11.

[TheMan]

Yeaaahh no :lol Let me know when 5,987 is "more" than Goat 7,631 :lol And stop at 6 vs 4 cuz Russell has 11.
We're only comparing between MJ and Bran, keep up. KAJ and Wilt also have an argument for GOAT, dummy.

[Shooter]

We're only comparing between MJ and Bran, keep up. KAJ and Wilt also have an argument for GOAT, dummy.

Hi sweetie, let me know when 5,987 is "more" than Goat 7,631 And stop at 6 vs 4 cuz Russell has 11. Thanks. :pimp:

[TheMan]

Hi sweetie, let me know when 5,987 is "more" than Goat 7,631 And stop at 6 vs 4 cuz Russell has 11. Thanks. :pimp:

Again, we are talking about the modern era.

MJ > LBJ

Deal with it :pimp:

[Shooter]

Again, we are talking about the modern era.

MJ > LBJ

Deal with it :pimp:

7,631 > EVERYONE ELSE

Thanks.

[TheMan]

7,631 > EVERYONE ELSE

Thanks.

Longevity stats, empty stats without the hardware.

[8Ball]

ROFL :roll:

There are polls (ESPN did one a couple years ago) where they break it down by demographics, MJ even wins amongst youngsters, understandably not as large a margin as with older people who saw both but even amongst younger people who never saw MJ in real time, enough videos are out there on YouTube where only the most hardheaded LeBronsexuals cling to their King as the GOAT. This is truly delusional to think that in 20 years LeBron will be consensus GOAT. That should be the case RIGHT NOW. MJ was seen as the GOAT by his first 3peat, his second threepeat put it out of reach for anyone else. Bran not being seen as the GOAT by the majority now won't change with time, recency bias is on his side and poll after poll today has MJ destroying him 75-20 :lol

Jordan represents nostalgia. And many myths are perpetuated from this nostalgia.


You have these kids arguing that Jordan was a better rebounder and passer than LeBron. We have kids say Jordan was a better playmaker. We have kids arguing jordan was a better 3 point shooter. There are a million jordan myths perpetuated by nostalgic Jordan fans.

These myths die out with time when the nostalgic jordan fans die out from old age.

That's when we can analyze the game properly. LeBron is simply a better basketball player. More versatile and has higher basketball IQ.

That ESPN 80/20 poll was before 2020 finals. With 2020 finals plus all time scoring record.... by 2050 people will look back and wonder why we ever though Jordan was better than Bron.

You are just a nostalgic jordan fan clinging on to memories of when you were younger and happier while Bulls were winning. Now the bulls are not winning and you are older and have not accomplished your dreams. Jordan nostalgia is one hell of a drug.

[8Ball]

One day 30 years from now, there will emerge a player more perfect than Bron, will get 25 all-nba teams and beat Bron in all time scoring.

That player will emerge as the GOAT over Bron and Bron fans will fight tooth and nail like Jordan stans are doing now.

Eventually the truth wins out.

[TheMan]

One day 30 years from now, there will emerge a player more perfect than Bron, will get 25 all-nba teams and beat Bron in all time scoring.

That player will emerge as the GOAT over Bron and Bron fans will fight tooth and nail like Jordan stans are doing now.

Eventually the truth wins out.

It's not nostalgia, at least not on my part. I saw both of their primes, at their peak MJ was just the better player, of course LeBron gets more rebounds, simply because of his size. Passing, LBJ is the more willing passer so yeah, you could say he's the better passer. Both have elite athleticism and basketball IQ. All of you Bronies who claim LBJ was bigger, stronger and faster are nuts. LeBron gets the nod on size and strength (though MJ was no slouch, many players have said that he was strong af for his size), MJ was faster, quicker and more agile, tons of videos of young MJ changing his shot in midair two, three times and scoring. MJ was the better low post player and had the better midrange game (by a lot). LeBron the better 3 point shooter but keep in mind MJ never worked on his 3 point shot because he never made it a priority even though we did see him go off from 3 in the playoffs, and not just from the WNBA line either since 2 of the 3 years the line was shortened, MJ was playing baseball :eek:

Now that we got the physical attributes out of the way, what separates MJ from the rest, and this is backed up by a whole bunch of past and current NBA legends, analysts and coaches, was MJ's will to win. His fearlessness, his insatiable will to dominate and destroy his opponents. LeBron is just to much of a nice guy, MJ was an asshole to his teammates because he pushed them to be their best. LeBron on the other hand, and we have seen this numerous times, throws his teammates under the bus and ditches them for greener pastures when things look sour. Imagine if MJ after continuously losing to the Pistons, left for New York to join Patrick Ewing and recruited Barkley to join them. That's basically what LBJ did with Wade and Bosh. MJ didn't want to join rivals, he wanted to kill them (not literally of course).

When MJ retired the second time because fat boy Krause wanted to break the team up, if he was a ring chaser, he could've joined Phil Jackson to the Lakers, PJax tried to recruit him, imagine how many rings he could've won in LA with Shaq at his peak and a young up and coming Kobe Bryant, that team could've easily won 4 or 5 chips at least but MJ refused, he always wanted to be the lead dog, he would've had to share the Lakers with prime Shaq. That's not who MJ is, LeBron OTOH, he expressly told Kawhi Leonard that if he joined him with the Lakers, he would step aside and let Leonard be the alpha :facepalm

Both are great players no doubt, the best of the best, MJ is just the best I've seen. I have no problem with older folks putting Russell, KAJ or Wilt as GOAT, I never saw those players in real time so I can't really judge but go by the little there is in video and the stats that don'talways tell the story (I do remember KAJ but this was old man version).

Say all you want, bring up playoffs points all time and what not, you will never convince me nor the millions who were fortunate enough to see both of their primes, that peak play, LeBron is the better player...nope, not gonna happen. And it's not nostalgia, my favorite QB all time was Joe Montana, but even though I dislike Tom Brady, he is deserving of the GOAT title, and not because of longevity but because he has the rings to show for it.

This is an honest post from me, no trolling, this is ISH, troll away, I should know better :lol

Last thing, if you want to chuck all my post to nostalgia, go ahead, I really don't care who you think is the GOAT, if you ask me, I will always tell you who in my years of viewing the NBA, was the best ever...until someone comes and totally bests MJ's dominance and accomplishments. Hopefully as a fan of the game, I would love to see it.

[PerkinsFor3]

I was thinking about this, and I also saw someone mention that Bird simply didn't play long enough. But as someone who saw Bird, MJ, Bron, etc play, I really don't care about longevity. Actually it might have irritated me moreso, since Orlando Woolridge, Thurl Bailey, Moses Malone, Robert Parrish etc had Upper Deck cards where, instead of a second photo and some fun facts, just had their career stats taking over the entire backside of their cards.

On a more serious note - Bird was amazing. The way he imposed his will on opposing teams, and the game as a whole, is something I've rarely seen since him - and he did it on the regular. Dude was insanely competitive, smart and crafty. But. His career was cut short due to injuries. So we just don't consider him as one of the most amazing and greatest (I don't do GOAT/lists/rankings here) players ever? That's weird. You can have your Danny Schayes, I prefer Bird.

[red1]

lebron is the high IQ man's GOAT



baldan is the low-IQ GOAT.

[red1]

FYI bosh is trolling.


lbj's GOAT status is cemented and won't be replaced. won't happen.

[TheGoatest]

Hi sweetie, let me know when 5,987 is "more" than Goat 7,631 And stop at 6 vs 4 cuz Russell has 11. Thanks. :pimp:

jordon extremist alt math:

5987 ≥ 7631
6 > 4
11 < 6

In a game of rock-paper-scissors, somehow jordon is all three, or beats all three. :roll:

[Overdrive]

jordon extremist alt math:

5987 ≥ 7631
6 > 4
11 < 6

In a game of rock-paper-scissors, somehow jordon is all three, or beats all three. :roll:

I'll gladly take the 11 rings and put Russell at #1. Where would that put Lebron? Top 20?

[Spurs m8]

As we all know, bron is closer to a Duncan.

And even then, the Duncan v LeBarry poll is a close one

[Axe]

lebron is the high IQ man's GOAT



baldan is the low-IQ GOAT.
Casuals on suicide watch.

[TheGoatest]

I'll gladly take the 11 rings and put Russell at #1. Where would that put Lebron? Top 20?

I can handle someone putting Russell at #1. I'll still disagree with their criteria that they have for an individual being #1 of all time due to winning in a team sport, but if they stick to that criteria, then it makes sense that Russell is #1. What makes ZERO sense on the other hand is to argue that jordon is GOAT, and ahead of LeBron because of winning, but still somehow have Bill Russell behind jordon. Because not only is Russell's team's winning greater than jordon's, his 11 rings completely obliterate jordon's 6, to a much higher degree than jordon's 6 do LeBron's 4.

I have LeBron at #1 not because of a single criteria, but because his individual body of work, combining all aspects of what makes a player great.

[Overdrive]

I can handle someone putting Russell at #1. I'll still disagree with their criteria that they have for an individual being #1 of all time due to winning in a team sport, but if they stick to that criteria, then it makes sense that Russell is #1. What makes ZERO sense on the other hand is to argue that jordon is GOAT, and ahead of LeBron because of winning, but still somehow have Bill Russell behind jordon. Because not only is Russell's team's winning greater than jordon's, his 11 rings completely obliterate jordon's 6, to a much higher degree than jordon's 6 do LeBron's 4.

I have LeBron at #1 not because of a single criteria, but because his individual body of work, combining all aspects of what makes a player great.

The reality is that winning is a huge part of individual players' legacy and Russell is simply overlooked, because most of us haven't seen him play and can't categorize his wins. There were no individual awards tied to winning back then as they're now. Let's say in 1000 years all stats are lost, but future NBA historians would know which teams won and who became fmvp. It would be obvious that Lebron was more important for his teams than Steve Kerr.

That's where Jordan fans come into play. They say Jordan's individual play got the Bulls more championships than Lebron's got the Cavs, Heat, Cavs and Lakers combined. I think it's a fair argument to make, but yet nobody of them knows how individually responsible Russell was for his team success.

What's your criterea for Lebron being GOAT?

[nayte]

:roll:
How the **** you guys still argue with that clown I will never get.
Full credit to him tho

[Overdrive]

:roll:
How the **** you guys still argue with that clown I will never get.
Full credit to him tho

It's just for fun. If nobody answered the idiots and trolls this forum would've died atleast 5 years ago.

[TheGoatest]

The reality is that winning is a huge part of individual players' legacy and Russell is simply overlooked, because most of us haven't seen him play and can't categorize his wins. There were no individual awards tied to winning back then as they're now. Let's say in 1000 years all stats are lost, but future NBA historians would know which teams won and who became fmvp. It would be obvious that Lebron was more important for his teams than Steve Kerr.

That's where Jordan fans come into play. They say Jordan's individual play got the Bulls more championships than Lebron's got the Cavs, Heat, Cavs and Lakers combined. I think it's a fair argument to make, but yet nobody of them knows how individually responsible Russell was for his team success.

What's your criterea for Lebron being GOAT?

So you DON'T actually have Russell at #1, but was only saying so to make LeBron look bad in some way, or worse than jordon?

Nobody here has seen Russell or Wilt play live, but they will all casually rank them in top 10 lists without issues. Holding Russell responsible for not winning an award that didn't exist is ridiculous. Would you say that Jayson Tatum (and the upcoming winners of Conference Finals MVPs) is more responsible for getting the Celtics to the finals in 2022 than jordon was for the Bulls in any of the seasons he played? After all, when historians discover that Tatum has a Conference Finals MVP and jordon doesn't 1000 years from now, that is the conclusion they must reach.

My criteria for LeBron being GOAT are the combination of individual awards and honors, the combination of statistical totals and averages in both regular season and playoffs, his longevity and not least the consistency he maintained throughout that longevity.

[nayte]

It's just for fun. If nobody answered the idiots and trolls this forum would've died atleast 5 years ago.

Yep fair enough.

[TheGoatest]

It's just for fun. If nobody answered the idiots and trolls this forum would've died atleast 5 years ago.

Yeah, I'm the idiot and you're the genius with your sci-fi post-apocalyptic "all stats are lost 1000 years from now" argument. :rolleyes:

[nayte]

Yes you are an idiot . First post you got right .well done finally
Your apparently someone who watched Jordan so your around 40 yrs old yet you type like a child so which ever way it is your an idiot

[TheGoatest]

Yes you are an idiot . First post you got right .well done finally
Your apparently someone who watched Jordan so your around 40 yrs old yet you type like a child so which ever way it is your an idiot

But I thought that you would "NEVER" get how someone argues with me, just minutes ago.
Yet here you are, arguing with me. And if you're arguing with someone you think is an idiot, then what does that make you?
And LMAO at "you're" lame ass having the audacity to discuss anyone's typing skills. :roll:

[nayte]

Blah blah blah still an idiot

[TheGoatest]

Blah blah blah still an idiot

I know your are, but what am I?

[nayte]

Haha that was pretty good.

[PerkinsFor3]

It's just for fun. If nobody answered the idiots and trolls this forum would've died atleast 5 years ago.

5 years ago, many of the good to great posters were still active. This type of bullahit with the constant stanning, trolling or call it whatever you want regarding MJ, Lebron, Race, Politics, etc has drivwn away much of the quality.

[RRR3]

5 years ago, many of the good to great posters were still active. This type of bullahit with the constant stanning, trolling or call it whatever you want regarding MJ, Lebron, Race, Politics, etc has drivwn away much of the quality.
What’s your original account lol

[Overdrive]

So you DON'T actually have Russell at #1, but was only saying so to make LeBron look bad in some way, or worse than jordon?

Nobody here has seen Russell or Wilt play live, but they will all casually rank them in top 10 lists without issues. Holding Russell responsible for not winning an award that didn't exist is ridiculous. Would you say that Jayson Tatum (and the upcoming winners of Conference Finals MVPs) is more responsible for getting the Celtics to the finals in 2022 than jordon was for the Bulls in any of the seasons he played? After all, when historians discover that Tatum has a Conference Finals MVP and jordon doesn't 1000 years from now, that is the conclusion they must reach.

My criteria for LeBron being GOAT are the combination of individual awards and honors, the combination of statistical totals and averages in both regular season and playoffs, his longevity and not least the consistency he maintained throughout that longevity.

Yeah, you're dense. I didn't punish Russell for not winning FMVPs I gave a perspective why people would. Just like I gave perspective why people rank Jordan above him and/or Lebron.

I don't rank them anywhere, because this GOAT list arguing is petty shit and anyone that needs his guy being above someone else's guy to feel externally validated should rethink his existence.

Neither Russell, nor Jordan, Kobe or Lebron are near top 10 favourite players for me. I have an opinion on them, but no horse in this race.

[Johnny32]

The reality is that winning is a huge part of individual players' legacy and Russell is simply overlooked, because most of us haven't seen him play and can't categorize his wins. There were no individual awards tied to winning back then as they're now. Let's say in 1000 years all stats are lost, but future NBA historians would know which teams won and who became fmvp. It would be obvious that Lebron was more important for his teams than Steve Kerr.

That's where Jordan fans come into play. They say Jordan's individual play got the Bulls more championships than Lebron's got the Cavs, Heat, Cavs and Lakers combined. I think it's a fair argument to make, but yet nobody of them knows how individually responsible Russell was for his team success.

What's your criterea for Lebron being GOAT?

if winning is your thing. one guy won with three different second options. made it to the finals with 5 different second options, coaches, systems, etc...one constant, lebron's do everything role on both ends. i find that far more impressive than mj winning with pip and all time great defenders/rebounders, in an offensively challenged era.

[PerkinsFor3]

What’s your original account lol

Loot

[TheMan]

if winning is your thing. one guy won with three different second options. made it to the finals with 5 different second options, coaches, systems, etc...one constant, lebron's do everything role on both ends. i find that far more impressive than mj winning with pip and all time great defenders/rebounders, in an offensively challenged era.

Offensively challenged because rules back then allowed defenses to do their thing :facepalm

If you don't know the history of the game, stop talking about the past, numbnuts. FYI, look up NBA rules changes that benefitted offenses, you can clearly see a correlation there before and after. That's why NBA analysts argue MJ would be even better today because you can no longer impede an offensive players movement towards the hoop, hard fouls are strictly enforced and big men aren't allowed to park their asses in the lane, everything is wide open now. MJ had insane offensive production in the greatest era of big men, today he wouldn't have to deal with Hakeem, Shaq, DRobinson, Mutombo, Mourning, Ewing etc challenging his shot whenever he went to the hole. Imagine that dude with open lanes to the hoop, it wouldn't be fair.

Offensive numbers are up, way up. The NBA powers that be implemented rules for higher scoring, they believe people prefer watching high scoring games rather than the slugfest the NBA had become in the 90s when defenses were physical.

Do us all a favor, read this link and understand why offensive numbers are way up, Ok? Stop dumbing down this forum if you really want to consider yourself a knowledgeable NBA fan...if not, go away. We have enough idiots ruining this forum as it is, we don't need more.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/11-important-rules-that-changed-nba-basketball-forever-banning-hand-checking-allowing-zone-defense-after-banning-it

[Overdrive]

if winning is your thing. one guy won with three different second options. made it to the finals with 5 different second options, coaches, systems, etc...one constant, lebron's do everything role on both ends. i find that far more impressive than mj winning with pip and all time great defenders/rebounders, in an offensively challenged era.

Read my last post before yours. This is futile.

[Johnny32]

Read my last post before yours. This is futile.

why? i already proved lebron's role on his championship teams is far more impressive than mj's. and he did it vs far better competition.

[Round Mound]

Offensively challenged because rules back then allowed defenses to do their thing :facepalm

If you don't know the history of the game, stop talking about the past, numbnuts. FYI, look up NBA rules changes that benefitted offenses, you can clearly see a correlation there before and after. That's why NBA analysts argue MJ would be even better today because you can no longer impede an offensive players movement towards the hoop, hard fouls are strictly enforced and big men aren't allowed to park their asses in the lane, everything is wide open now. MJ had insane offensive production in the greatest era of big men, today he wouldn't have to deal with Hakeem, Shaq, DRobinson, Mutombo, Mourning, Ewing etc challenging his shot whenever he went to the hole. Imagine that dude with open lanes to the hoop, it wouldn't be fair.

Offensive numbers are up, way up. The NBA powers that be implemented rules for higher scoring, they believe people prefer watching high scoring games rather than the slugfest the NBA had become in the 90s when defenses were physical.

Do us all a favor, read this link and understand why offensive numbers are way up, Ok? Stop dumbing down this forum if you really want to consider yourself a knowledgeable NBA fan...if not, go away. We have enough idiots ruining this forum as it is, we don't need more.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/11-important-rules-that-changed-nba-basketball-forever-banning-hand-checking-allowing-zone-defense-after-banning-it

This

[SATAN]

Offensively challenged because rules back then allowed defenses to do their thing :facepalm

If you don't know the history of the game, stop talking about the past, numbnuts. FYI, look up NBA rules changes that benefitted offenses, you can clearly see a correlation there before and after. That's why NBA analysts argue MJ would be even better today because you can no longer impede an offensive players movement towards the hoop, hard fouls are strictly enforced and big men aren't allowed to park their asses in the lane, everything is wide open now. MJ had insane offensive production in the greatest era of big men, today he wouldn't have to deal with Hakeem, Shaq, DRobinson, Mutombo, Mourning, Ewing etc challenging his shot whenever he went to the hole. Imagine that dude with open lanes to the hoop, it wouldn't be fair.

Offensive numbers are up, way up. The NBA powers that be implemented rules for higher scoring, they believe people prefer watching high scoring games rather than the slugfest the NBA had become in the 90s when defenses were physical.

Do us all a favor, read this link and understand why offensive numbers are way up, Ok? Stop dumbing down this forum if you really want to consider yourself a knowledgeable NBA fan...if not, go away. We have enough idiots ruining this forum as it is, we don't need more.

https://fadeawayworld.net/nba/11-important-rules-that-changed-nba-basketball-forever-banning-hand-checking-allowing-zone-defense-after-banning-it

This is all for nothing. I've watched both players careers and I can tell you LeBron is better for many different reasons. MJ was a cyco Jordan Clarkson on roids and LeBron's bball IQ and strength surpasses all the chucking.. That's it. LeBron would absolutely slay in any era. Never seen a player like it and will never again.

[Overdrive]

why? i already proved lebron's role on his championship teams is far more impressive than mj's. and he did it vs far better competition.

Read again.

[Johnny32]

Read again.

once again. no. i most likely didn't read it the first time. my points stand and are clearly irrefutable.

[TheMan]

This is all for nothing. I've watched both players careers and I can tell you LeBron is better for many different reasons. MJ was a cyco Jordan Clarkson on roids and LeBron's bball IQ and strength surpasses all the chucking.. That's it. LeBron would absolutely slay in any era. Never seen a player like it and will never again.

Is that why he has more accolades? I mean he's been playing for 20 years, surley he must have the most MVPs, FMVPs, DPOYs and scoring titles of anyone in history, right? :lol He at least surely must have more than that chucker LeBron idolized as a kid???

Look, LeBron never even dominated his era, not even in his prime...he had a legit chance with Wade, Bosh and Allen but having the worst Finals for a GOAT tier candidate in 2011 and later getting demolished by historical margins in 2014 doesn't quite fit that criteria.

[FilmyCogTurner]

Jordan is light years ahead of everyone and it's not even close.

You can strip away the stats and titles and it's still plainly obvious, MJ read and played the game on a different level. Knew the moments throughout a game where a heavy punch was needed to sway/keep momentum and even more importantly had the talent to do so. So much about basketball is taking control of the flow of the game. Lebron likes to direct everything but his execution is too primitive for my taste and without the midrange game to back it up he's unable to produce dynamic offensive systems. That's how you get beat in 2011 by Dallas and absolutely obliterated by the Spurs in 2014 which IMO does not get brought up enough. I have never seen a series end so fast. Sure the Heat took game 2 but we knew it was over right away.

Respect and skill mastery are apart of the equation to whether you like it or not. Somewhat frivolous at first thought but not really when you think about it. Look at Kobe, sure there's other players ahead of him in the ranking but none of them were as skilled. He was a final boss that you did not want to face. Absolute mastery of the game. Difficult shot making. Knew every trick in the book. Beautiful footwork. MJ and Kobe's work from the post gave huge advantages to their teams. It opened up everything while also being able to freelance on the perimeter or simply play off ball.

All the people in my life that have Lebron as #1 (which is not many) honestly do not know the game. Every single one of them - it's simple as that and applies here also.

[MadDogg]

LeBron's "do everything role" lol. Corny. LeBron stopped playing defense like 5 years ago. Occasional highlights & cherry-picked playoff games mean shit, big picture.

[Overdrive]

why? i already proved lebron's role on his championship teams is far more impressive than mj's. and he did it vs far better competition.

Why quote me in the first place?

If you read my post you would've found out that I didn't give a shit about LeBron or Jordan being #1 or #2.

[3ba11]

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KAREEM - 6 chips... #1 points... #3 rebounds

LEBRON - 4 chips... #1 points... #6 assists


CONCLUSION: Lebron can't be goat because Kareem's superior achievements already fell short

[1987_Lakers]

How can both be #1 in points? :oldlol:

[3ba11]

How can both be #1 in points? :oldlol:


Kareem is #1 right now.. Lebron might become #1 this year.

Since Kareem's achievements weren't enough for goat, we know that Lebron's lesser achievements aren't and therefore he's a fraud, aka 3ball was correct all along

[1987_Lakers]

Kareem is #1 right now.. Lebron might become #1 this year.

So Kareem's achievements weren't enough for goat, why would Lebron's lesser achievements be enough?

Of course they were/are. Kareem just didn't have the media behind him because he was a boring personality and had a weak brand, MJ on the other hand had the media brainwashing millions of fans to a point where it became comical. Not to say Kareem > MJ, but I've seen many intelligent people have him ranked ahead of MJ.

https://backpicks.com/2017/12/11/the-backpicks-goat-the-40-best-careers-in-nba-history/

[3ba11]

Of course they were/are. Kareem just didn't have the media behind him because he was a boring personality and had a weak brand, MJ on the other hand had the media brainwashing millions of fans to a point where it became comical. Not to say Kareem > MJ, but I've seen many intelligent people have him ranked ahead of MJ.

https://backpicks.com/2017/12/11/the-backpicks-goat-the-40-best-careers-in-nba-history/


No one considered Kareem anywhere near Jordan until the Lebron debate started around the time of your backpicks article.

Kareem is part of the fraud that I'm explaining to you.

I can explain every angle of this fraud, including the very beginning, aka Lebron's "tough" youth while living with the coach and misperception of overcoming things - 100 million and future generations completely set before he ever took a dribble in the NBA... and allowed to pick his own super-teams once in the NBA.

The Kareem angle is just a small part of the fraud - he's the only guy that can match Jordan's ring count, so he was the chosen as the guy to inflate in order to dilute Jordan's perception of greatness.

[1987_Lakers]

No one considered Kareem anywhere near Jordan until the Lebron debate started around the time of your backpicks article.

Wrong

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?136812-Kareem-The-Case-for-GOAT

[3ba11]

Not at all.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?136812-Kareem-The-Case-for-GOAT



Yes, there were individual fans on our planet of 7 billion that thought Kareem was goat, but no consensus ANYWHERE - the only consensus was Jordan (and still is)

Heck, Nick Wright had Jordan as goat until 2016 and had Kareem below Magic even more recently than that.. Then the Lebron community decided that building up Kareem would actually dilute Jordan, so that's when it started with actual news publications pushing Kareem as goat

[1987_Lakers]

I proved you wrong once again, you said no one had Kareem as GOAT or near MJ up until 2017 or so, I just showed you a 16 page thread from 2009 where fans talked about his GOAT case and some were receptive to it.

Carry on.

[3ba11]

I proved you wrong once again, you said no one had Kareem as GOAT or near MJ up until 2017 or so, I just showed you a 16 page thread from 2009 where fans talked about his GOAT case and some were receptive to it.

Carry on.


a few junior highers were "receptive" to a Kareem fan

lol

MJ is so goat it's ridiculous

No media or publication said Kareem was goat - you didn't prove that wrong and had to post a thread where 1 guy thought Kareem was goat and a few junior highers were "receceptive"

lol... You support a fraud.. it's clear as day... probably the biggest fraud in sports history.. a completely manufactured resume (collusion) because his skillset lacks the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically.. He's just a dumb ball-dominator that understands basketball so little that he thought Westbrook would fit..

did I mention that he's a massive choker whose horrific brand of ball craters favored talent, aka his preseason favorites to fell to underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), except the Ray Allen miracle.. Only a miracle can save Lebron's shit brand of cratering favored talent.

[Spurs m8]

a few junior highers were "receptive" to a Kareem fan

lol

MJ is so goat it's ridiculous

No media or publication said Kareem was goat - you didn't prove that wrong and had to post a thread where 1 guy thought Kareem was goat and a few junior highers were "receceptive"

lol... You support a fraud.. it's clear as day... probably the biggest fraud in sports history.. a completely manufactured resume (collusion) because his skillset lacks the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically.. He's just a dumb ball-dominator that understands basketball so little that he thought Westbrook would fit..

did I mention that he's a massive choker whose horrific brand of ball craters favored talent, aka his preseason favorites to fell to underdog or loser for 6 straight years (11-16'), except the Ray Allen miracle.. Only a miracle can save Lebron's shit brand of cratering favored talent.

1987 is always lying

[TheGoatest]

I proved you wrong once again, you said no one had Kareem as GOAT or near MJ up until 2017 or so, I just showed you a 16 page thread from 2009 where fans talked about his GOAT case and some were receptive to it.

Carry on.

:oldlol: Destroyed by facts, as usual.