LeBron’s quest to match Magic and Kobe

[WhiteKyrie]

Will LeBron get to his fifth ring in LA, even with his very talented, albeit old rosters? Playing for the purple and gold, it’s obviously going to be difficult for him to match the ring count of the two most beloved and iconic Lakers of all time’s ring count. And then if he ever matches them, how long until he can match Jordan?

[1987_Lakers]

Maybe if you give him peak Shaq, something Kobe had the benefit of playing with.

[WhiteKyrie]

Maybe if you give him peak Shaq, something Kobe had the benefit of playing with.
I mean he’s had his fair share of talent, even if he didn’t play with prime Shaq.

He has had two rosters where he manipulated having 2 perennial all stars and future Hall of Famer‘s on his team by his side in their prime. And if we are being honest is almost the same as having Shaq on your team.

He manipulated prime Anthony Davis (3rd best player ever based on PER) to the Lakers, and now has former MVP and reigning all-time triple double champ in Westbrick.

Excuses are for losers.

[1987_Lakers]

I mean he’s had his fair share of talent, even if he didn’t play with prime Shaq.

He has had two rosters where he manipulated having 2 perennial all stars and future Hall of Famer‘s on his team by his side in their prime. And if we are being honest is almost the same as having Shaq on your team.

He manipulated prime Anthony Davis (3rd best player ever based on PER) to the Lakers, and now has former MVP and reigning all-time triple double champ in Westbrick.

Excuses are for losers.

LeBron was never carried unlike Kobe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5PDgv5y-S0

[RRR3]

LeBron ruined coach’s life when he surpassed Jordan

[Hey Yo]

LeBron was the best player on all 4 of his titles.

Magic and Kobe??....... not so much.

[Lebron23]

Will LeBron get to his fifth ring in LA, even with his very talented, albeit old rosters? Playing for the purple and gold, it’s obviously going to be difficult for him to match the ring count of the two most beloved and iconic Lakers of all time’s ring count. And then if he ever matches them, how long until he can match Jordan?


Hopefully he has plenty of gas left in the tank than Wizards Jordan. Lebron needs to play like Magic James ala 2020 LeBron. Lakers have plenty of good offensive players in their roster.

[Gohan]

LeBron was never carried unlike Kobe.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5PDgv5y-S0

All you are doing is making excuses, lebron had just as much help if not more, than kobe

[ArbitraryWater]

I mean he’s had his fair share of talent, even if he didn’t play with prime Shaq.

He has had two rosters where he manipulated having 2 perennial all stars and future Hall of Famer‘s on his team by his side in their prime. And if we are being honest is almost the same as having Shaq on your team.

He manipulated prime Anthony Davis (3rd best player ever based on PER) to the Lakers, and now has former MVP and reigning all-time triple double champ in Westbrick.

Excuses are for losers.

What excuses?

There doesn't need to be an excuse for this.

You can compare any random set of players with rings, it makes no sense.

There needs to be a base.

Why could MJ not match Russell?

Excuses are for losers, right?

No one ****ing cares.

[Lebron23]

All you are doing is making excuses, lebron had just as much help if not more, than kobe LeBron is rank higher than Kobe. He has more Finals MVP, More MVP's, More points in the regular season, playoffs and NBA Finals.

[WhiteKyrie]

Typical clowns replying and leaving a bloody tampon of whining, complaints and excuse making. Will they make it to the playoffs this year? LeBron is already only 2 for 4 in that regard in his time in LA. And in one of those got bounced in the first round with a series lead

[Lebron23]

What excuses?

There doesn't need to be an excuse for this.

You can compare any random set of players with rings, it makes no sense.

There needs to be a base.

Why could MJ not match Russell?

Excuses are for losers, right?

No one ****ing cares.

That ring argument was the reason why LeBron went to Miami. Kobe won an nba championship averaging 15 ppg in the 2000 NBA Finals. In hindsight LeBron was always in a much better situation than Kobe. He won his first NBA title as the numero uno scoring option for his team.

[RRR3]

Typical clowns replying and leaving a bloody tampon of whining, complaints and excuse making. Will they make it to the playoffs this year? LeBron is already only 2 for 4 in that regard in his time in LA. And in one of those got bounced in the first round with a series lead
Why couldn’t MJ win as much as the real GOAT Bill Russell? He didn’t even get close. No excuses :no:

[1987_Lakers]

Typical clowns replying and leaving a bloody tampon of whining, complaints and excuse making. Will they make it to the playoffs this year? LeBron is already only 2 for 4 in that regard in his time in LA. And in one of those got bounced in the first round with a series lead

He won a title at age 35 with the Lakers, Kobe at that age was pretty much done as a player, had a horrific 37 fg% from ages 35-37 and led the Lakers to a 17-65 record when he was LeBron's current age.

And you have to audacity to shit on LeBron while ignoring this fact about Kobe, which is way more embarrassing.

[ArbitraryWater]

What excuses?

There doesn't need to be an excuse for this.

You can compare any random set of players with rings, it makes no sense.

There needs to be a base.

Why could MJ not match Russell?

Excuses are for losers, right?

No one ****ing cares.


I'd love to see OP actually adress this instead of bickering about "excuses".

[ArbitraryWater]

OP is still caught up in his fantasy world where he can spin a narrative around rings using words like "quest" and "iconic" lmao.


Wake up, coach.

[WhiteKyrie]

LeBron was the best player on all 4 of his titles.

Magic and Kobe??....... not so much.
2020 the Mickey Mouse bubble chip, that no one really puts stock in? Arguable.

In reality it was probably AD. He was the best player on both sides of the court, particularly defense, which allowed that team to be as good as they were. The year prior, they didn’t even make the playoffs, the very next season, they’re ahead on the Phoenix Suns in the first round, Anthony Davis goes down with an injury, LeBron proceeds to lose to a Devin Booker led Suns team, without their best player Chris Paul. The year before and the year after proved Anthony Davis when rarely healthy at that point was the best player on the team. He was the best player for them that entire 2020 season, and for the duration of the Mickey Mouse bubble playoffs.

Magic was the best player on all of his, at worst 4 (equal to LeBron at minimum) … Kobe was a clear sidekick in 2000, but was a top five player in the league in 2001 and 2002. So while Shaq was greater, Kobe was equally as important in those runs in terms of production. He wasn’t some sidekick. So Kobe was definitely the best player for 2 rings, arguably 4. Magic was the best player for 4 rings, but arguably 5. LeBron was the best player for 3 rings (one more definitive than Kobe) but arguably 4 given 2020.

[1987_Lakers]

2020 the Mickey Mouse bubble chip, that no one really puts stock in? Arguable.

If you want to play that game, how many people put stock in the Lakers 2002 chip when it was obvious the Kings were robbed according to many people.


In reality it was probably AD. He was the best player on both sides of the court, particularly defense, which allowed that team to be as good as they were. The year prior, they didn’t even make the playoffs, the very next season, they’re ahead on the Phoenix Suns in the first round, Anthony Davis goes down with an injury, LeBron proceeds to lose to a Devin Booker led Suns team

Yet, LeBron finished 2nd in MVP voting in 2020 and won Finals MVP, unanimously, something Kobe never did when he played with Shaq. ISH already did a poll to who was the playoff MVP in 2020 and LeBron won. You also disregard the fact that LeBron played on an injured ankle in the 2021 playoffs, nowhere near 100%.


Magic was the best player on all of his, at worst 4 (equal to LeBron at minimum) … Kobe was a clear sidekick in 2000, but was a top five player in the league in 2001 and 2002. So while Shaq was greater, Kobe was equally as important in those runs in terms of production. He wasn’t some sidekick.


Kareem was clearly better than Magic in 1980, him and Kareem were pretty much 1A and 1B in '82 & '85, he didn't take over as the clear alpha until 1987.

[SouBeachTalents]

If rangz is the most important criteria, forget Russell, Hondo should be ranked ahead of every player in history after Russell.

[LAL]

20 ****ing healthy seasons..

No heart, no skills, ring chasing stat padding coward. He's all stats and quits all the time.

[Hey Yo]

20 ****ing healthy seasons..

No heart, no skills, ring chasing stat padding coward. He's all stats and quits all the time.

Kobe kid calling another player a ring chaser.


:lol

[Full Court]

Bronie: more help than any other "great" in the history of the sport.






And STILL managed to lead a super team to the lottery. :lol

[Full Court]

If rangz is the most important criteria, forget Russell, Hondo should be ranked ahead of every player in history after Russell.

It's not. FMVPs are the most important criterion. Winning a ring as an alpha. There are plenty of role players with lots of rings who aren't even in the top 100.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's not. FMVPs are the most important criterion. Winning a ring as an alpha. There are plenty of role players with lots of rings who aren't even in the top 100.
Well then that has you having LeBron fringe top 10 look extremely dubious, since he has more FMVP’s than anyone besides Jordan.

But even with this criteria, Hondo led 3 separate title teams in scoring, a feat matched by literally only a handful of players.

[Full Court]

Well then that has you having LeBron fringe top 10 look extremely dubious, since he has more FMVP’s than anyone besides Jordan.

But even with this criteria, Hondo led 3 separate title teams in scoring, a feat matched by literally only a handful of players.

FMVPs are the most important criteria.

Not the sole criteria. Epic choke jobs such as 2011 will hurt you in all time rankings too. This isn't rocket science.

[1987_Lakers]

FMVPs are the most important criteria.

Not the sole criteria. Epic choke jobs such as 2011 will hurt you in all time rankings too. This isn't rocket science.

Wilt's choke job in '69 was just as bad, he also has two less rings than Bron.

[Lebron23]

20 ****ing healthy seasons..

No heart, no skills, ring chasing stat padding coward. He's all stats and quits all the time.

Meltdown

[Lebron23]

Well then that has you having LeBron fringe top 10 look extremely dubious, since he has more FMVP’s than anyone besides Jordan.

But even with this criteria, Hondo led 3 separate title teams in scoring, a feat matched by literally only a handful of players.

The guy obviously is mentally retarded.

[GrayGoat]

Op why did Madonna prefer pippens bigger sausage over MJ’s?

[SouBeachTalents]

FMVPs are the most important criteria.

Not the sole criteria. Epic choke jobs such as 2011 will hurt you in all time rankings too. This isn't rocket science.
Being 2nd all time in the most important criteria would obviously supersede one atrocious series.

There's no way you can legitimately argue FMVP's are the most important criteria then claim the only other player in history with 4 of them is barely top 10 :lol To do so you'd have to completely contradict yourself.

[Full Court]

Wilt's choke job in '69 was just as bad, he also has two less rings than Bron.

Yep, that's why I don't have Wilt as #1. If you go solely by individual achievement, he blows everyone else out of the water. His lack of ability to consistently win as a team penalizes him though. Again, this shouldn't be difficult to understand.

[Full Court]

Being 2nd all time in the most important criteria would obviously supersede one atrocious series.

There's no way you can legitimately argue FMVP's are the most important criteria then claim the only other player in history with 4 of them is barely top 10 :lol To do so you'd have to completely contradict yourself.

You guys seem incapable of looking at a holistic picture. Lebron has had MULTIPLE epic choke job, he has a lottery record in the finals, he's had more help than any other "great," and he's gone to stacked teams to take the easy road. Although the most important criteria, 4 FMVPs alone doesn't negate all that. Now he's still around top ten of all time, which is no small achievement.

[1987_Lakers]

You guys seem incapable of looking at a holistic picture. Lebron has had MULTIPLE epic choke job, he has a lottery record in the finals, he's had more help than any other "great," and he's gone to stacked teams to take the easy road. Although the most important criteria, 4 FMVPs alone doesn't negate all that. Now he's still around top ten of all time, which is no small achievement.

Wilt has more chokes than LeBron and a worse Finals records as well.

And guess what, he also took the easy way to join Jerry West & Elgin Baylor (forced trade to the Lakers)

But hes top 3 in your mind.

Everything you shit Bron for, you can say the same about Wilt. It's unbelievable.:lol

[Full Court]

Wilt has more chokes than LeBron and a worse Finals records as well.

And guess what, he also took the easy way to join Jerry West & Elgin Baylor (forced trade to the Lakers)

But hes top 3 in your mind.

Everything you shit Bron for, you can say the same about Wilt. It's unbelievable.:lol

Yes, but everything Wilt did, he did far better than Lebron. It's not in any way reasonable to rank Lebron above Wilt.

Believe that.

[SouBeachTalents]

Wilt has more chokes than LeBron and a worse Finals records as well.

And guess what, he also took the easy way to join Jerry West & Elgin Baylor (forced trade to the Lakers)

But hes top 3 in your mind.

Everything you shit Bron for, you can say the same about Wilt. It's unbelievable.:lol
LeBron has one legit choke job, 2011, and that was for sure a GOAT tier one, honestly the worst ever imo. He's had series he's played badly, like the '07 Finals, and stretches of the '08 & '10 Celtics series, but to call those "epic" choke jobs? Ridiculous.

And he's once again backed himself into a corner when Wilt undoubtedly has more choke jobs than LeBron, while having a worse Finals record and winning half as many titles :lol

[1987_Lakers]

And he's once again backed himself into a corner when Wilt undoubtedly has more choke jobs than LeBron, while having a worse Finals record and winning half as many titles :lol

This is why I always bring up Wilt when he shits on LeBron, I know he has Wilt in his top 3 and it's so easy to make him look foolish when Wilt was everything full court says about LeBron, but worse.

I really don't care if people have Wilt ranked high on their list, but Full Court's explanation as to why he has Bron ranked so low can EASILY be applied to Wilt, a player he has top 3 ever. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

This is why I always bring up Wilt when he shits on LeBron, I know he has Wilt in his top 3 and it's so easy to make him look foolish when Wilt was everything full court says about LeBron, but worse.

I really don't care if people have Wilt ranked high on their list, but Full Court's explanation as to why he has Bron ranked so low can EASILY be applied to Wilt, a player he has top 3 ever. :oldlol:

No, actually it can't.

Let me know when Bronie manages to accomplish the following: :lol

NBA record – Most points per game in a season (50.4 in the 1961–62 season)

Also holds the next three spots with 44.8 in 1962–63, 38.4 in 1960–61 and 37.6 in 1959–60.

NBA record – Most points in a season (4,029 in 1961–62)

Also holds the second-highest record with 3,586 in 1962–63

NBA record – Most points scored in a game (100 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Kobe Bryant is second with 81.

NBA record – Most points scored in a half (59 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Kobe Bryant is second with 55.

NBA record – Most 50-point games in a season (45 in 1961–62)

Chamberlain holds the next most with 30 in 1962–63. No other player has had more than 10.

NBA record – Most 40-point games in a season (63 in 1961–62)

Chamberlain holds the second-most with 52 in 1962–63. Michael Jordan is third with 37 in 1986–87.

NBA record – Most consecutive seasons leading league in points per game (7)

Record shared with Michael Jordan.

NBA record – Most career regular-season 60-point games (32)

Kobe Bryant is second with 6.

NBA record – Most career regular-season 50-point games (118)

Michael Jordan is second with 31.

NBA record – Most career regular-season 40-point games (271)

Michael Jordan is second with 173.

NBA record – Most career regular-season 35-point games (381)

Michael Jordan is second with 333.

NBA record – Most consecutive 60-point games (4 from February 25-March 2, 1962)

Chamberlain also holds the next three longest streaks with 3 in January 1962, 2 in December 1961 and 2 in December 1962.
Chamberlain is the only player to ever score 60 points in back-to-back games.

NBA record – Most consecutive 50-point games (7 from December 16–29, 1961)

Chamberlain also holds the next three longest streaks with 6 in 1962, and 5 in 1961 and 1962.

NBA record – Most consecutive 40-point games (14 from December 8–30, 1961 and January 11 – February 1, 1962)

Chamberlain also has the next most with 10 from November 9–25, 1962.

NBA record – Most consecutive 30-point games (65 from November 4, 1961 – February 22, 1962)

James Harden is second with 32 in 2018-19 season., Chamberlain also is third with 31 in 1962.

NBA record – Most consecutive 20-point games (126 from October 19, 1961 – January 19, 1963)

Chamberlain holds the next most with 92 from February 26, 1963 – March 18, 1964.

NBA record – Most consecutive games leading all players in scoring (40 in 1961-62 season)

Bob McAdoo is second with 28.

NBA record – Most consecutive games leading all teammates in scoring (116)
NBA record – Most points per game by a rookie (37.6 in 1959–60)
NBA record – Most points by a rookie (2,707 in 1959–60)
NBA record – Most points by a rookie in a game (58 on January 25, 1960, and February 21, 1960)

Rick Barry is second with 57.

NBA record – Most consecutive 40-point games by a rookie (5 in late January 1960)

Shared with Allen Iverson

NBA record – Most points scored by a player in his first NBA game (43 on October 24, 1959, against the New York Knicks)

Frank Selvy is second with 35.

NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 15,000 points (358, achieved in 1964)

Michael Jordan, at 460 games, took the second-fewest games.

NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 20,000 points (499, achieved in 1966)

Michael Jordan, at 620 games, took the second-fewest games.

NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 25,000 points (691, achieved on February 23, 1968, against the Detroit Pistons)

Michael Jordan, at 782 games, took the second-fewest games.

NBA record – Fewest games played to reach 30,000 points (941, achieved on February 16, 1972, against the Phoenix Suns)

Michael Jordan, at 960 games, took the second-fewest games.

NBA record – Most consecutive seasons leading the league in field goals made (7 from 1959–60 through 1965–66)

Shared with Michael Jordan

NBA record – Most field goals made in a season (1,597 in 1961–62)

Chamberlain holds the next 3 spots with 1,463 in 1962–63, 1,251 in 1960–61, and 1,204 in 1963–64

NBA record – Most field goals made in a game (36 vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Chamberlain holds the next highest with 31, and is tied with Rick Barry at third with 30

NBA record – Most field goals Made in a Half (22 in the 2nd half vs. the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962)

Rick Barry is second with 21.



NBA record – Career total rebounds (23,924)
NBA record – Career rebounds per game (22.9)
NBA record – Most seasons leading the league in rebounds (11)
NBA record – Most seasons with 1,000 or more rebounds (13)
NBA record – Rebounds per game in a season (27.2)

Chamberlain also holds the next two highest averages with 27.0 in 1959–60 and 25.7 in 1961–62)
Chamberlain and Bill Russell occupy the top 18 spots on this list (9 each).

NBA record – Total Rebounds in a season (2,149 in 1960–1961)

Chamberlain also holds the next six highest totals.

NBA record – Rebounds in a game (55, Philadelphia Warriors vs. Boston Celtics, November 24, 1960)

Besides Bill Russell (11 times, including 3 playoff games, max of 51) only Nate Thurmond (42) and Jerry Lucas (40) have ever gotten at least 40.

NBA record – Most rebounds per game by a rookie in a season (27.0)
NBA record – Most rebounds by a rookie in a season (1,941)
NBA record – Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (45 on February 6, 1960)

Chamberlain, as a rookie, also grabbed 43 rebounds in one game, 42 in two others, and 40 in another.

NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a single postseason (444 during the 1969 Playoffs).

Chamberlain also has the second-most, with 437 in 1967 Playoffs.

NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a playoff game (41 against the Boston Celtics, on April 5, 1967).

Game 3 victory in the Eastern Division finals.

NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a half (26 against the San Francisco Warriors on April 16, 1967)

Also an NBA Finals record.

NBA playoff record – Highest rebounding average in a playoff series (32.0 in a 5-game series against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a 5-game playoff series (160 against the Boston Celtics in 1967).
NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a 6-game playoff series (171 against the San Francisco Warriors in 1967).

Also an NBA Finals record for a 6-game series.

NBA playoff record – Most rebounds in a 7-game playoff series (220 against the Boston Celtics in 1965).
NBA playoff record – Most rebounds by a rookie in a game (35 against the Boston Celtics on March 22, 1960)

Scored a then-playoff record 53 points (still a rookie record) in the same game (a game 5 victory).

NBA Finals record – Highest rebounds per game average, career (24.6)
NBA All-Star Game record – Most career rebounds in the NBA All-Star game (197).
NBA All-Star Game record – Most rebounds in a half (16 in 1960).

Record shared with Bob Pettit

[Full Court]

Oh, and also

NBA record – Most double-doubles, all time: 968.[15]
NBA record – Most consecutive double-doubles (227)[16] (between 1964 and 1967 seasons)
Chamberlain also holds the 2nd- and 3rd-longest streaks (220 and 133).[17]
NBA playoff record – Most consecutive triple-doubles in the same postseason (4) (April 9–16, 1967)










Boom.

[1987_Lakers]

Yet, if LeBron puts up numbers you are quick to say "empty stats"

Wilt averaged 45 ppg in 1963 but led his team to a 31-49 record. :lol

You yourself said Wilt had empty stats, so why are you listing all of his stats?

[Hey Yo]

Yet, if LeBron puts up numbers you are quick to say "empty stats"

Wilt averaged 45 ppg in 1963 but led his team to a 31-49 record. :lol

You yourself said Wilt had empty stats, so why are you listing all of his stats?

:oldlol:

That Wilt hugger is such a stupid fukk.

[SouBeachTalents]

And again, if it's FMVP & stats, once again that puts LeBron ahead of literally every player in history besides Jordan :lol

[SATAN]

The very severe online beat down of Full Meltism and her alts continues. :roll:

[SATAN]

Serious question. Anyone else just think LeBron's very good at basketball and voiced your opinion only to be challenged by retards like Fat Cvnt in real life? Like, you didn't even talk about MJ at all but these idiots (like Faulty Court), who don't actually know enough to comment on what they are talking about just want to start arguments about their idol for some reason?

Srs. What the hell is wrong with these people? They were never even good at basketball and couldn't even understand the game play apart from "hurr durr ball go in hoop lay up the 90s was the be all and end all shoot it from a shorter distance it's so skilled durr".

Get out

[RRR3]

Serious question. Anyone else just think LeBron's very good at basketball and voiced your opinion only to be challenged by retards like Fat Cvnt in real life? Like, you didn't even talk about MJ at all but these idiots (like Faulty Court), who don't actually know enough to comment on what they are talking about just want to start arguments about their idol for some reason?

Srs. What the hell is wrong with these people? They were never even good at basketball and couldn't even understand the game play apart from "hurr durr ball go in hoop lay up the 90s was the be all and end all shoot it from a shorter distance it's so skilled durr".

Get out
If I encounter anyone like Full Court in real life I make it a point not to talk to them.

[SATAN]

If I encounter anyone like Full Court in real life I make it a point not to talk to them.

:cheers:

[MadDogg]

LeBron has one legit choke job, 2011, and that was for sure a GOAT tier one, honestly the worst ever imo. He's had series he's played badly, like the '07 Finals, and stretches of the '08 & '10 Celtics series, but to call those "epic" choke jobs? Ridiculous.

Huh? Game 4 vs Boston in 2010 aka "LeELBOW gate" was a legitimate choke. LeBron's lack of aggression and horrid production was literally called a "choke" then. Posters older than you were there to see it live, so why rewrite what actually happened? :oldlol:

[Johnny32]

legoat isn't looking in the rear-view mirror.

[SouBeachTalents]

Huh? Game 4 vs Boston in 2010 aka "LeELBOW gate" was a legitimate choke. LeBron's lack of aggression and horrid production was literally called a "choke" then. Posters older than you were there to see it live, so why rewrite what actually happened? :oldlol:
Who's fcking alt is this :lol Didn't even get the game right btw. Everyone in history has had terrible single game performances, the fact your only addition was literally one game over a 20 year career kinda makes my point.

[MadDogg]

Who's fcking alt is this :lol Didn't even get the game right btw. Everyone in history has had terrible single game performances, the fact your only addition was literally one game over a 20 year career kinda makes my point.

Quibbling over "Game 4 or 5?!?!?" is a joke lol. Point being, LeBron didn't show up. Period. All the greats obviously have bad performances - but is their effort in question? And by mainstream media? Saying that was "bad play" is a major understatement. :confusedshrug: But you probably didn't even watch that series.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-Mnfz6iB0

[WhiteKyrie]

I almost forgot about the fake elbow injury :oldlol: much like his wife’s stocking wrapped around his hand after the 2018 Finals as a make shift attention getting “soft cast” … god this dude is a such a pathetic *****.

[Axe]

Why isn't 3ball itt?

[Full Court]

Yet, if LeBron puts up numbers you are quick to say "empty stats"

Wilt averaged 45 ppg in 1963 but led his team to a 31-49 record. :lol

You yourself said Wilt had empty stats, so why are you listing all of his stats?

:biggums:

Because nobody in the history of the NBA was more individually dominant.

Let's think about this: who's better? The stat padder who attains 29 ppg or the stat padder who attains 50 ppg?

Gee....that's a tough one...

[MadDogg]

I almost forgot about the fake elbow injury :oldlol: much like his wife’s stocking wrapped around his hand after the 2018 Finals as a make shift attention getting “soft cast” … god this dude is a such a pathetic *****.

Lol almost forgot too until that cappin ass poster. Dude was quitting before 2011. :oldlol: And apparently faking injuries WELL beyond that.

[1987_Lakers]

Quibbling over "Game 4 or 5?!?!?" is a joke lol. Point being, LeBron didn't show up. Period. All the greats obviously have bad performances - but is their effort in question? And by mainstream media? Saying that was "bad play" is a major understatement. :confusedshrug: But you probably didn't even watch that series.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d-Mnfz6iB0

You do realize you can find shit moments for even the clutches players right? MJ disappeared in game 3 vs Bird in '87, Bird dominated the 4th while MJ was nowhere to be found, Bulls blew a double digit lead. In his '95 series vs Orlando he legit had a moment where he choked.

Magic choked in '84, also played like shit in '81.

But all these players including LeBron had more clutch/dominant postseason runs/moments more than they had bad ones.

Can't say the same for Wilt, first player ever to blow a 3-1 lead then he proceeds to lose 2 years in a row in the Finals vs an inferior Celtics team and a Knicks team who was missing their MVP, all while playing like shit in critical moments or missing free throws like he life depended on it.

[1987_Lakers]

:biggums:

Because nobody in the history of the NBA was more individually dominant.

Let's think about this: who's better? The stat padder who attains 29 ppg or the stat padder who attains 50 ppg?

Gee....that's a tough one...

He averaged 45 ppg and his team won 31 games. :oldlol:

This is a prime Wilt too, not a 37 year old version of himself like LeBron was when you called him empty stats. :oldlol:

[MadDogg]

You do realize you can find shit moments for even the clutches players right? MJ disappeared in game 3 vs Bird in '87, Bird dominated the 4th while MJ was nowhere to be found, Bulls blew a double digit lead. In his '95 series vs Orlando he legit had a moment where he choked.

Magic choked in '84, also played like shit in '81.

But all these players including LeBron had more clutch/dominant postseason runs/moments more than they had bad ones.

Can't say the same for Wilt, first player ever to blow a 3-1 lead then he proceeds to lose 2 years in a row in the Finals vs an inferior Celtics team and a Knicks team who was missing their MVP, all while playing like shit in critical moments or missing free throws like he life depended on it.

Obviously. But if you read the exchange, you'd understand the dispute here. The poster I quoted claimed this wasn't a choke and simply "bad play" :oldlol: Playing bad and giving weak effort are two completely different things. The latter would be closer to choking, or even worse, quitting.

[SouBeachTalents]

Fcking semantic police up in here, droning on and on about one game. Notice he still hasn't given a single other example in 2 decades worth of games :lol

[MadDogg]

Fcking semantic police up in here, droning on and on about one game. Notice he still hasn't given a single other example in 2 decades worth of games :lol

Dude. We can find a number of games players performed badly in. We both agree there. But "choking" is pretty rare and there is a CLEAR distinction. Where's the confusion in that? lol

[LeGoat4Life]

Unfortunately lebron will never catch up to Magic and Kobe

There is a reason why the general consensus has him at 13bron

[Lakers Legend#32]

LeBron was the best player on all 4 of his titles.

Magic and Kobe??....... not so much.

Magic was the guts of the Showtime Lakers.

Kobe was carried by Shaq.

[sdot_thadon]

Dude. We can find a number of games players performed badly in. We both agree there. But "choking" is pretty rare and there is a CLEAR distinction. Where's the confusion in that? lol

We don't want to talk about game 5 of the 1989 ECF though do we.....?

[MadDogg]

We don't want to talk about game 5 of the 1989 ECF though do we.....?

Knock yourself out. :confusedshrug: Bring up the 95 turnover while you're at it. I simply corrected a narrative and it went over your head.

[Axe]

Knock yourself out. :confusedshrug: Bring up the 95 turnover while you're at it. I simply corrected a narrative and it went over your head.
What happened to your MadDog account?