Is Edwards facing punishment for posting hate speech on social media?

[FultzNationRISE]

Guy didnt simply use a generic word with homosexual connotations but in a completely unrelated way.

He filmed a group of homosexuals without their knowledge and posted on social media that they were queer ass ****** and basically complained about their presence in society.

Is Lebron or the NBA gonna speak out about this as a serious issue or nah?

How many games do you think he should be suspended?

[Full Court]

I'm not comfortable at all with our society getting to the point where speech is regulated like that. Nobody has some inherent right to not be offended. However, we DO (in theory, or according to the Constitution at least) have the right to free speech. What people say on their private social media accounts shouldn't be any of the NBA's business.

I mean, if Bronie wants to make a fool out of himself and support Communist China, he should be able to do so without repercussion from the NBA. Same for all the other players. It's a slippery slope, and policing speech usually ends up with policing thought.

[WhiteKyrie]

No, only heterosexual white males are held to a higher yet double standard

[getting_old]

only an issue if the correct boxes aren't ticked on The Narrative's front page

[ArbitraryWater]

It doesn't seem like it.


Why?


I think we all know



:rolleyes:

[FultzNationRISE]

I'm not comfortable at all with our society getting to the point where speech is regulated like that. Nobody has some inherent right to not be offended. However, we DO (in theory, or according to the Constitution at least) have the right to free speech. What people say on their private social media accounts shouldn't be any of the NBA's business.

I mean, if Bronie wants to make a fool out of himself and support Communist China, he should be able to do so without repercussion from the NBA. Same for all the other players. It's a slippery slope, and policing speech usually ends up with policing thought.

This is a fair position to take, I’m just wondering why a lifetime ban is being called on for Sarver but the same people arent asking Edwards to face a major suspension for hate speech.

Sarver had a pattern of rude/inappropriate workplace behavior, altho the NBA specifically found it NOT to be motivated by bigotry.

So if he gets a lifetime for that, maybe Edwards should get half a season for a first time offense of emphatic and premeditated hate speech?

I think half a season should be the minimum, right?

Will Chris Paul commment? What about Lebron? Or NBPA exec Tamika Ngolwailika?

[FultzNationRISE]

Kblaze, you have experience with HR.

Any thoughts?

[Full Court]

This is a fair position to take, I’m just wondering why a lifetime ban is being called on for Sarver but the same people arent asking Edwards to face a major suspension for hate speech.

Sarver had a pattern of rude/inappropriate workplace behavior, altho the NBA specifically found it NOT to be motivated by bigotry.

So if he gets a lifetime for that, maybe Edwards should get half a season for a first time offense of emphatic and premeditated hate speech?

I think half a season should be the minimum, right?

Will Chris Paul commment? What about Lebron? Or NBPA exec Tamika Ngolwailika?

I think you're making a false equivalence here though. Posting something on social media is not even close to the same as conduct with your subordinates that creates a hostile work environment. I don't see the Sarver thing as a free speech issue in any way.

[Kblaze8855]

Kblaze, you have experience with HR.

Any thoughts?

Not that you actually care about the issue but I was out of HR before the rise of social media. That said I know it’s hard to regulate non workplace speech especially when the person you want to punish is in a union that negotiates what can and cannot be punished and how.

If he said it to employees at work…and specifically to subordinates…. there would be easier to follow guidelines. I don’t know how the personal conduct policy applies to offseason social media unrelated to the workplace. Most of the people discussed lately(Sarver, Sterling, Snyder) had long lists of in the building and direct business related issues over decades.

Closest comparison to this is maybe Riley Cooper who got caught yelling the “n word” at a country music show. He ended up being fined something but not suspended. In the end it’s a union thing. Can’t pull a punishment out of your ass in most cases.

[FultzNationRISE]

I think you're making a false equivalence here though. Posting something on social media is not even close to the same as conduct with your subordinates that creates a hostile work environment. I don't see the Sarver thing as a free speech issue in any way.


That's why I didnt equate them. I outlined exactly how they're different issues, but my point was if being a dickhead boss for a period of years is a lifetime ban, maybe public hate speech is half a season?

It's hard to see one being a lifetime ban and the other being a slap on the wrist, no?

Or is asking CJ Watson why Draymond Green is allowed to say n!gga really just that much worse than secretly filming a group of men and publicly calling them queers and asking the entire social media universe what the world has come to?

[FultzNationRISE]

Not that you actually care about the issue but I was out of HR before the rise of social media. That said I know it’s hard to regulate non workplace speech especially when the person you want to punish is in a union that negotiates what can and cannot be punished and how.

If he said it to employees at work…and specifically to subordinates…. there would be easier to follow guidelines. I don’t know how the personal conduct policy applies to offseason social media unrelated to the workplace. Most of the people discussed lately(Sarver, Sterling, Snyder) had long lists of in the building and direct business related issues over decades.

Closest comparison to this is maybe Riley Cooper who got caught yelling the “n word” at a country music show. He ended up being fined something but not suspended. In the end it’s a union thing. Can’t pull a punishment out of your ass in most cases.

True, altho it's ultimately a judgement call by the company either way. Silver made a judgement call on Sarver, and now either Silver or the TWolves owner has to do likewise on Edwards.

Also in Cooper's case he was the one being filmed. And I dont think he yelled at the person (could be mistaken) but rather referenced him that way to the people he was with. Obviously a tasteless thing to do, but I'm not sure a private conversation can be deemed hate speech. (I'm genuinely not sure, but I would assume hate speech refers to public statements).

Edwards made a public statement deriding an entire group of people and questioning their value to society.

So I'm just curious what kind of punishment you think that deserves?

[Kblaze8855]

Silver did not make a judgement call on Sarver. Sarver is his boss. Sarver and the other owners decide on punishments for themselves and even the limits. The fine was exactly the number the owners voted to make it after they felt the one Sterling got was seen as too small. Silver can’t do anything to Sarver that he and the owners don’t accept. They have to show something because his behavior leaves them open to a lot of legal action. He’d be fired 5 times over if he didn’t own the entity that has to agree to do it.

You’re talking a part owner of a company accepting a punishment he votes on the limits of due to in the workplace multiple witness abuse, racism, and misogyny.

It is not even in the same solar system as what someone says outside work on social media. The policies policing those things are entirely different and very different in application from a legal pov. It’s a union issue. Sarver is a company policing itself internally.

You wanna play dumb and defend Sarver for another 200 posts of scumbaggery have at it but the two things are unrelated.

[FultzNationRISE]

Silver did not make a judgement call on Sarver. Sarver is his boss. Sarver and the other owners decide on punishments for themselves and even the limits. The fine was exactly the number the owners voted to make it after they felt the one Sterling got was seen as too small. Silver can’t do anything to Sarver that he and the owners don’t accept. They have to show something because his behavior leaves them open to a lot of legal action. He’d be fired 5 times over if he didn’t own the entity that has to agree to do it.

You’re talking a part owner of a company accepting a punishment he votes on the limits of due to in the workplace multiple witness abuse, racism, and misogyny.

It is not even in the same solar system as what someone says outside work on social media. The policies policing those things are entirely different and very different in application from a legal pov. It’s a union issue. Sarver is a company policing itself internally.

You wanna play dumb and defend Sarver for another 200 posts of scumbaggery have at it but the two things are unrelated.

Lolwut, Silver said in an interview it was his call on this. There is no guideline that says “if owners talk about someones wife giving oral sex and then use the n-word like players do they get banned 1 year and fined 10 mil” :roll:

Silver made a judgement by weighing the damage to the league vs fairness to the accused.

Sarver and Edwards both damaged league image and thats what they get punished for. Whatever agreement owners have with outlining punishment is no different than what the players union has. Both get put in Silver’s hands.

If you think gay bashing is cool just cop to it. Or maybe you think whites should be punished and not blacks. I dunno. But if youre a homophobic racist might as well just admit it instead of trying to condemn from one side of your mouth while making excuses from the other.

Youre accepted here either way, just keep it consistent bro.

:confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

The guideline I referred to is the maximum punishments. The fine maximum was raised by the owners themselves and he just paid it. As I said Silver is his employee and has no true power over them. That’s what Silver struggled explaining when he tripped up and admitted they have different standards. He can’t remove an owner. Owners remove an owner. The nba is the owners. They punish themselves within their own guidelines. Silver is a public facing manager. He isn’t able to punish owners any more than owners allow.

For players? The nba players association negotiated punishments with the league and how they can be handed down and for what.

You pretend to want to know the difference so there it is. Workplace misconduct….AT work…by the owners who have no union because they are the corporation and police themselves. The other is a person not at work who even if he was has a union with a negotiated discipline process.

Google the social media policy if you actually care. But you don’t.

[bison]

They just issued his punishment. Looks like the league is coming down hard on anyone who isn't 'woke'. This is beyond excessive in my opinion :facepalm:

https://i.ibb.co/PzVpRS2/304807834-1471666123334259-7372081735317822087-n.jpg

[FultzNationRISE]

They just issued his punishment. Looks like the league is coming down hard on anyone who isn't 'woke'. This is beyond excessive in my opinion :facepalm:

https://i.ibb.co/PzVpRS2/304807834-1471666123334259-7372081735317822087-n.jpg


:roll:

[FultzNationRISE]

The guideline I referred to is the maximum punishments. The fine maximum was raised by the owners themselves and he just paid it. As I said Silver is his employee and has no true power over them. That’s what Silver struggled explaining when he tripped up and admitted they have different standards. He can’t remove an owner. Owners remove an owner. The nba is the owners. They punish themselves within their own guidelines. Silver is a public facing manager. He isn’t able to punish owners any more than owners allow.

For players? The nba players association negotiated punishments with the league and how they can be handed down and for what.

You pretend to want to know the difference so there it is. Workplace misconduct….AT work…by the owners who have no union because they are the corporation and police themselves. The other is a person not at work who even if he was has a union with a negotiated discipline process.

Google the social media policy if you actually care. But you don’t.

Youre completely deflecting.

Silver was tasked with deciding on the specific level of punishment for Sarver. The fact Sarver is his boss is immaterial. Silver still chooses the exact punishment. You think Sarver punished himself? You think Sterling banned himself for life?

Silver also selects player punishments.

What should Edwards’ punishment be?

[Kblaze8855]

You can’t decide the punishment of someone you work for. Go watch the interview he had to do. He CANT just do what he wants. He can’t remove an owner. He can’t exceed the fine they voted to be the max. He works within a framework agreed by his bosses. Not having the power to do whatever he wants is his defense for not doing more. The owners set the punishments. He’s a face to put in the public.

And no Sterling didn’t ban himself and silver didn’t either. Did you not listen to him address that? He CANT do it. There is a process to eject a member but it absolutely is not within the power of the commissioner.

[FKAri]

What should Edwards’ punishment be?
Whatever the NBA wants it to be. It's in their contract that he is an extension of the NBA brand and is responsible for upholding that brand. He also has the luxury of a powerful union that can keep his employer in check. It's not even like his statements were said in confidence and got leaked. Then there'd be grounds to cry foul. But he posted it publicly himself. This is a non-story.

[Proctor]

They just issued his punishment. Looks like the league is coming down hard on anyone who isn't 'woke'. This is beyond excessive in my opinion :facepalm:

https://i.ibb.co/PzVpRS2/304807834-1471666123334259-7372081735317822087-n.jpg

:roll:

[FultzNationRISE]

You can’t decide the punishment of someone you work for. Go watch the interview he had to do. He CANT just do what he wants. He can’t remove an owner. He can’t exceed the fine they voted to be the max. He works within a framework agreed by his bosses. Not having the power to do whatever he wants is his defense for not doing more. The owners set the punishments. He’s a face to put in the public.

And no Sterling didn’t ban himself and silver didn’t either. Did you not listen to him address that? He CANT do it. There is a process to eject a member but it absolutely is not within the power of the commissioner.

I understand that. Maybe you misunderstood my original post. I wasnt asking about Silver giving him a lifetime ban, I was asking about all the people out there on social media CALLING for Sarver to get a lifetime ban. Evidently unaware that it’s not feasible. These people believe he DESERVES a lifetime ban. They are silent on punishment for Edwards.

Youre one of the people who seems to think Sarver’s punishment was DESERVED (at minimum). Correct me if Im wrong on that.

What punishment do you think Edwards deserves?

[Kblaze8855]

First of all:

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A person doing what he did who didn’t own his company would be fired every time just to duck a lawsuit but as an owner he can’t be fired so deserve isn’t really the issue. He can’t get the punishment normal people get because the punishing body is owned by him. The issue with you was acting like he was being punished for nothing because for whatever reason you feel obligated to defend a scumbag. You want to have that discussion go read it. I don’t need to have it again. It’s still on the first page.

Far as Ant I don’t know the precedent or the social media policy. He isn’t an owner he’s a union member with defined guidelines. As I said the only similar thing I can think of was a white guy who got a fine for saying “I’ll fight ever ****** here” or something.

The non workplace rules are obviously different. Show me who got punished for those things and I’ll tell you what it seems in line with.

[Hey Yo]

The was Eagles WR Riley Cooper who said that at a country music concert. He was only fined by the Eagles, while the league didnt punish him.

[FultzNationRISE]

The was Eagles WR Riley Cooper who said that at a country music concert. He was only fined by the Eagles, while the league didnt punish him.

Yeah the Cooper thing was bad, altho a couple points: He was being secretly recorded saying something that wasnt intended to be public. Edwards was willfully POSTING hate speech.

Second: That was the NFL and altho youd expect the same factors to go into a punishment, you cant say the NBA is being “inconsistent” for doing it a different way than some other league.

Actually I just realized the most direct comparison is Meyers Leonard calling a video game opponent a “k1ke bitch” on a livestream.

He was suspended indefinitely by the team (I think he ultimately missed one game) and the team said this:


”The Miami Heat vehemently condemns the use of any form of hate speech,” the team statement said.

Will the Wolves call Ant’s statement hate speech, or is that once again only a standard applied to white people?

I dont care whether the league does or doesnt punish anyone for these kinds of things, thats league business. But the double standard thing regarding speech is racist and frankly violates the civil rights laws kblaze was just lecturing us about.

[Full Court]

I understand that. Maybe you misunderstood my original post. I wasnt asking about Silver giving him a lifetime ban, I was asking about all the people out there on social media CALLING for Sarver to get a lifetime ban. Evidently unaware that it’s not feasible. These people believe he DESERVES a lifetime ban. They are silent on punishment for Edwards.

Youre one of the people who seems to think Sarver’s punishment was DESERVED (at minimum). Correct me if Im wrong on that.

What punishment do you think Edwards deserves?

Who care what people on social media are calling for? You can find fringe outliers of every group imaginable and everyone in between on social media. It doesn't actually mean anything.

[FultzNationRISE]

Who care what people on social media are calling for? You can find fringe outliers of every group imaginable and everyone in between on social media. It doesn't actually mean anything.

You count Lebron and CP3 as fringe outliers when it comes to public influence?

[Full Court]

You count Lebron and CP3 as fringe outliers when it comes to public influence?

I'm sure they have a significant following, but their opinion is their opinion. I don't recall CP3 weighing in on issues, so I'm not sure what his history of that is, but Lebron is notorious for having dumb takes and putting his foot in his mouth. They're only as influential as people allow themselves to be influenced by them.

[HylianNightmare]

He's black

[FultzNationRISE]

I'm sure they have a significant following, but their opinion is their opinion. I don't recall CP3 weighing in on issues, so I'm not sure what his history of that is, but Lebron is notorious for having dumb takes and putting his foot in his mouth. They're only as influential as people allow themselves to be influenced by them.

Cp0 def clutched his pearls on the twitters regarding the Sarver issue. But he hasnt condemned Edwards.

And my point is just to figure out who wants equality to be a two way street, and who doesnt.

So far, I do.

Kblaze, Lebron, and CP0 dont.

[Kblaze8855]

The only equality you would honestly want in this situation is for Sarver and Ant to both go unpunished because you’re an awful person all around. Real world equality doesn’t apply here only when you twist it to make a point you don’t even believe in. For the two things to get equal treatment they would need to be somewhat equal transgressions. Not comparing 18 years of documented abuse, racial issues, and demeaning women all of which is in the workplace and a social media clip on private time once for someone with a union negotiated set of rules governing his potential punishment.

Attempt to do all that Sarver did not only would you not have a job long enough to get through all his factual transgressions if you did them all done you would get sued and lose if there were witnesses. Go do what Ant did it’s entirely possible your job wouldn’t even ask you to explain yourself since it’s off the clock and touchy legally. One is a PR issue. One is a legal issue of an abusive, racist, and sexist boss.

No equality to be found between the two.

Go out in the real world and yell at a subordinate female co worker till she breaks down in tears, complain about women crying too much, do it again with another one, talk to an employee about their pubic hair shaving habits, how well their wife probably sucks dick, tell a pregnant woman she can’t work there after the baby and see how well that goes without the racial issues.

Sarver is fired anywhere that he isn’t the boss…Ant? Depending on the job they might be powerless to punish him. A public facing one might be annoyed and have him issue an apology. Sarvers transgressions get anyone else fired about….6 times before you get to him calling employees ******s.

Hes a shit person. Only another shit person would defend him. There are 200 posts on the issue already. Go read them if you want more.

[FultzNationRISE]

^ meltdown

[Im Still Ballin]

Anthony Edwards is a more valued player than Myers Leonard. It could factor into the level of punishment that he receives.

[90sgoat]

No, only heterosexual white males are held to a higher yet double standard

Grievance hierarchy 2022:

1. Jews
2. White women
3. Transexuals
4. Black women
5. Black men
6. White homosexuals
7. Latinx
8. White men
9. Asians
10. ISH posters

Transsexuals are making a hard push for the second position though, but white women are still holding on to that top position.

[Im Still Ballin]

UPDATE: Anthony Edwards fined $40,000!

A thread was made by OP but it got deleted. LOL!

https://i.ibb.co/SV2RSMg/haha.png

[90sgoat]

Honestly man, I feel like if in 2022 you feel the need to be openly mocking gay people, then you're probably a queer yourself and just trying to do the "how do you fellow kids" bit.

[FultzNationRISE]

UPDATE: Anthony Edwards fined $40,000!

A thread was made by OP but it got deleted. LOL!

https://i.ibb.co/SV2RSMg/haha.png


Aha!

Appreciate ya boss.

[Im Still Ballin]

Aha!

Appreciate ya boss.

I clicked on the thread, tried to refresh and it was gone. Quite shocked; it's been a while since I've seen a thread deleted on ISH. The bad blood is real between you two.

[FultzNationRISE]

I clicked on the thread, tried to refresh and it was gone. Quite shocked; it's been a while since I've seen a thread deleted on ISH. The bad blood is real between you two.


I think it's just locked, I still see the thread on the main page.

That said, I think it was an honest mistake. Kblaze intended to sticky it, but accidentally clicked 'lock' instead. Anyway I'll speak to Jeff about it. It's big news so it deserves top billing for a while on the forum.

[Kblaze8855]

It isn’t deleted. I tend to lock things so people know why. It was locked because this topic existed. And a third one as well for the record.

[bison]

starface got Kblaze melted down so bad he locked threads :lol: FUMING