In 2017, Wright said Lebron was behind MJ and needed to beat KD Warriors to be GOAT

[3ba11]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfANoozI0Cg&t=02m57s

Since Lebron failed to fulfill Wright's criteria, we know that Wright is a fraud and infact thinks MJ is GOAT

Btw, notice how Nick has Magic over Kareem in this video (2017), but now has Kareem over Jordan (2022) - lol - what a fraud - Magic and Kareem haven't played in 25 years so nothing should've changed

[1987_Lakers]

Dude who called Curry a top 5 player ever after calling him the most overrated player ever just months prior is calling other people frauds. Can't make this up. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Reminds me of when this moron claimed Curry was the most overrated player of all time

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history

Then a few months later said Curry was top 5 all time - lol - what a fraud- Curry played 10 games during that timeframe so nothing should've changed.

So now we know that guy's a fraud. And a fakkit.

[3ba11]

Reminds me of when this moron claimed Curry was the most overrated player of all time

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history

Then a few months later said Curry was top 5 all time - lol - what a fraud- Curry played 10 games during that timeframe so nothing should've changed.

So now we know that guy's a fraud. And a fakkit.


I realized that Curry infact met my criteria

Otoh, Wright says in the video plain as day that lebron did NOT meet his criteria (didn't beat KD Warriors)

So we know that Nick is lying when he says that Lebron is goat because Lebron didn't meet his criteria - he says it plain as day in the video at the 2:57 mark

Btw, notice how Nick has Magic over Kareem in this video (2017), but now has Kareem over Jordan (2022) - lol - what a fraud - Magic and Kareem haven't played in 25 years so nothing should've changed

[Axe]

3ball the lying fųcktard.

[kawhileonard2]

Nick Wright is a fraud. Chris Broussard is the Real G.

[sdot_thadon]

And in 2012 you felt Lebron's peak = MJ's.

[kawhileonard2]

And in 2012 you felt Lebron's peak = MJ's.

Naw he was down 3-2 with HCA. MJ was never down 3-2 with HCA.

[SouBeachTalents]

Naw he was down 3-2 with HCA. MJ was never down 3-2 with HCA.
Kawhi was up 3-1 with a 15 point 2nd half lead and lost the series. With the title favorite to boot. And he scored 14 points on 6/22 in Game 7.

[3ba11]

And in 2012 you felt Lebron's peak = MJ's.


Even if we go by the fake post, Lebron never met my criteria - he never dominated the Spurs like the post says.. So he failed my criteria just like he failed Nick's

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit... Thru 6 games, his 23 on 43% was insufficient and needed Ray to force Game 7.. Overall, he only averaged 25 and Wade 20, so he didn't defeat maximum defensive attention (didn't carry scoring load in Finals) like MJ always did.

Only MJ defeated maximum defensive attention for every Finals and Lebron never met this standard - this matters because players that can't carry the scoring load require elite-scoring sidekicks like Wade, Kyrie or AD and can't win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen.

Ultimately, it's easier for GM's to build a team of cheap defenders, but this requires a 1st option that can carry the scoring load... Otherwise, the GM must find expensive star scoring help, which is much harder

[1987_Lakers]

Even if we go by the fake post

Ok weasel, we all know you said it.

[3ba11]

Ok weasel, we all know you said it.


you don't know shit about it

you weren't there or itt

[1987_Lakers]

you don't know shit about it

you weren't there or itt

You're getting defensive because you know you made that post. Own up to it.

[3ba11]

You're getting defensive because you know you made that post. Own up to it.


You simply can't accept that I can prove Lebron is a fraud, from his bullshit "tough" upbringing in Akron, Ohio (moved in with coach.... 100 million and future generations were set before he ever dribbled a pro ball) to his coddled NBA career (gifted super-teams and GM status to offset a rudimentary "luka" skillset and shit brand of ball that can't win organically or meet expectation)

The bum couldn't even handle his mom dating other guys.. The man overcame literally nothing and had everything handed to him.

You're so perturbed about this that you're obsessed with fake posts from mods that were screwing around 10 years ago.. it's hilarious and so enjoyable to see the fraud unravel for one of Lebron's fans.

[1987_Lakers]

You're so perturbed about this that you're obsessed with fake posts from mods that were screwing around 10 years ago.. it's hilarious and so enjoyable to see the fraud unravel for one of Lebron's fans.

We all know you made that post. You are a fraud.

[3ba11]

We all know you made that post. You are a fraud.


Even by that logic, Lebron didn't meet my criteria stated in the post (dominating the Spurs), just like he didn't meet Nick's criteria (beating the KD Warriors)

The difference is that Nick is still pushing Lebron for goat due to money and career reasons, aka fraud like I said all along

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wait OP admitted LeBrons peak > MJs peak 10 years ago before LeBrons actual peak???

:roll:


Damn homie, 10 years after High school in 2013 you was the man homie, wtf happened to you?

[3ba11]

Wait OP admitted LeBrons peak > MJs peak 10 years ago before LeBrons actual peak???

:roll:


Damn homie, 10 years after High school in 2013 you was the man homie, wtf happened to you?


It's obviously a lie... You just described how absurd it is... :confusedshrug:

But keep being gullible

[1987_Lakers]

Wait OP admitted LeBrons peak > MJs peak 10 years ago before LeBrons actual peak???

:roll:


Damn homie, 10 years after High school in 2013 you was the man homie, wtf happened to you?

:oldlol:

[3ba11]

:oldlol:


Alternative just showed how absurd it would be for someone to say Lebron's peak equaled MJ's during the 2013 ECF

That's just another reason it's false

No one would say that Lebron = MJ after just 1 title and midway through the ECF against Hibbert

It's absurd because it's fabricated

Carry on tho because it's all you have..

[1987_Lakers]

Alternative just showed how absurd it would be for someone to say Lebron's peak equaled MJ's during the 2013 ECF

That's just another reason it's false

No one would say that Lebron = MJ after just 1 title and midway through the ECF against Hibbert

It's absurd because it's fabricated

Carry on tho because it's all you have..

You also said on that website that the 2013 Pacers = Ewing's Knicks.

Carry on

[3ba11]

You also said on that website that the 2013 Pacers = Ewing's Knicks.

Carry on


More absurdity that makes my case

That's what made it so bad and obvious - they tried to include everything - they tried to make sure that I conceded everything, aka Lebron had better peak AND faced better comp AND was just "better"

They snuck everything in there which made it obvious

All this during the 2013 ECF

Even Nick Wright had MJ ahead of Lebron in 2017 but somehow 3ball had Lebron ahead in 2013 before he won a 2nd title... :whatever:

You simply aren't appreciating how much my anti-Lebron schtick angered those guys back then

[sdot_thadon]

Even if we go by the fake post, Lebron never met my criteria - he never dominated the Spurs like the post says.. So he failed my criteria just like he failed Nick's

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% for 3 games while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit... Thru 6 games, his 23 on 43% was insufficient and needed Ray to force Game 7.. Overall, he only averaged 25 and Wade 20, so he didn't defeat maximum defensive attention (didn't carry scoring load in Finals) like MJ always did.

Only MJ defeated maximum defensive attention for every Finals and Lebron never met this standard - this matters because players that can't carry the scoring load require elite-scoring sidekicks like Wade, Kyrie or AD and can't win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen.

Ultimately, it's easier for GM's to build a team of cheap defenders, but this requires a 1st option that can carry the scoring load... Otherwise, the GM must find expensive star scoring help, which is much harder

So you're claiming both that the post was fake...AND.... he didn't meet up to your standards in the post? Lol. And btw he dominated the eff out of the Spurs starting in the 4th qtr of game 6, theought the last shot in game 7 when it counted the most. Beautiful.

[3ba11]

So you're claiming both that the post was fake...AND.... he didn't meet up to your standards in the post? Lol. And btw he dominated the eff out of the Spurs starting in the 4th qtr of game 6, theought the last shot in game 7 when it counted the most. Beautiful.


Yes I'm saying the posts are fake or altered and even if we take the posts as accurate, they show that Lebron failed my criteria

He didn't dominate the Spurs and would've lost without a miracle to save him

He had a zero plus-minus and negative net rating for the series, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor

[sdot_thadon]

Yes I'm saying the posts are fake or altered and even if we take the posts as accurate, they show that Lebron failed my criteria

He didn't dominate the Spurs and would've lost without a miracle to save him

He had a zero plus-minus and negative net rating for the series, so the Heat didn't win with him on the floor

Except that part where he pretty much single handedly spearheaded the 4th qtr comeback in game 6 by being everywhere at once and then having what unless I'm mistaken is the highest or one of the highest scoring game 7s in Finals history....

**And No, nobody believes them posts are fake bro. Quit lying to yourself.

[3ba11]

Except that part where he pretty much single handedly spearheaded the 4th qtr comeback in game 6 by being everywhere at once and then having what unless I'm mistaken is the highest or one of the highest scoring game 7s in Finals history....





The Heat needed a comeback because Lebron himself wet the bed - his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7... Teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed thru 3 games (16 on 39%)

The 13' Finals would've been a worse choke than the 11' Finals until Ray Allen saved him.. Otherwise, he was averaging 23 on 43% with horrific impact stats (plus minus and net rating)...

Imagine thinking someone was a lock for #2 all-time when they were a bounce or two away from being 2/10 on the championship level and already have a lottery record on the championship level (22-33, worst all-time)..

And I don't want to hear about making 10 Finals because Magic made that many in half the time and Lebron's streak of winning the East didn't start until he consolidated power within the conference by teaming up with the top two 1st options (the definition of stacking the deck).

This was an unprecedented, player-driven formation of a super-team that people allowed because of the surprise factor but it would never fly today - no one would praise Booker if he consolidated power and teamed up with Joker/KAT - no one would respect his rings if he did that.

Ultimately, Lebron's "decision" locked down the league with 3 titles in 6 years and preseason favorite super-teams for 6 straight years (11-16').. So people criticize Durant but Lebron enjoyed the same unprecedented, player-driven collusion that Durant did and for longer (6 years.. 3 chips).

[SouBeachTalents]

The Heat needed a comeback because Lebron himself wet the bed - his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7... Teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed thru 3 games (16 on 39%)

The 13' Finals would've been a worse choke than the 11' Finals until Ray Allen saved him.. Otherwise, he was averaging 23 on 43% with horrific impact stats (plus minus and net rating)...
Those are essentially Kobe, Bird, Dirk & Kawhi's career Finals averages, so it looks like LeBron's worst is the standard performance of half your top 10 players :lol

[3ba11]

Those are essentially Kobe, Bird, Dirk & Kawhi's career Finals averages, so it looks like LeBron's worst is the standard performance of half your top 10 players :lol


If Ray Allen doesn't hit that shot, the 2013 Finals would be remembered as a bigger choke-job than 11'

Think about it.... A champion locked up by Boris Diaw, aka 16 on 39% while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.. 23 on 43% thru 6 games and brick-city on the game-winning attempt for a loss... 1/3 in the Finals...

Ray Allen saved him from all that... it was a shot that Ray has the opportunity to TAKE and then make maybe 1 in 20 times - so 95% of the time, Lebron is 2/10 in the Finals and a complete bum... Borderline top 15 on many lists like Wilt.

[SouBeachTalents]

If Ray Allen doesn't hit that shot, the 2013 Finals would be remembered as a bigger choke-job than 11'

Think about it.... A champion locked up by Boris Diaw, aka 16 on 39% while teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit.. 23 on 43% thru 6 games and brick-city on the game-winning attempt for a loss... 1/3 in the Finals...

Ray Allen saved him from all that... it was a shot that Ray has the opportunity to TAKE and then make maybe 1 in 20 times - so 95% of the time, Lebron is 2/10 in the Finals and a complete bum... Borderline top 15 on many lists like Wilt.
I'll just pull a 3bot and repeat my previous post, which you of course refused to address :lol

Those are essentially Kobe, Bird, Dirk & Kawhi's career Finals averages, so it looks like LeBron's worst is the standard performance of half your top 10 players, while Kobe & Bird literally won championships basically averaging 16 ppg on 39%. And since scoring is all you care about, Duncan & Russell's career Finals ppg was much lower than LeBron's in 2013.

[3ba11]

I'll just pull a 3bot and repeat my previous post, which you of course refused to address :lol

Those are essentially Kobe, Bird, Dirk & Kawhi's career Finals averages, so it looks like LeBron's worst is the standard performance of half your top 10 players, while Kobe & Bird literally won championships basically averaging 16 ppg on 39%. And since scoring is all you care about, Duncan & Russell's career Finals ppg was much lower than LeBron's in 2013.


Worst?

The first 6 games of the 2013 Finals (23 on 43%) was far from Lebron's worst - it was just a massive choke-job for the reigning MVP and champion.

But it wasn't his worst

His worst was the 07' Finals (22 on 35%), or the 08' Semis (26 on 35%) or the 11' Finals (Jason Terry) - Lebron basically sucked against championship-level comp from 07-11' until Wade finally got through to him about how to perform under pressure.. It's another example of him being coddled

[SouBeachTalents]

And he STILL didn't address that was the norm for the majority of his top 10 players in the Finals, if not even worse ppg wise :lol

[guy]

Nick Wright is being pretty hypocritical. He's basically saying Lebron should be GOAT if he beats the 2017 Warriors, and if your a Jordan supporter that doesn't believe that then your a biased person stuck in your thought process that would never change your mind regardless. But Lebron didn't do that, and Nick Wright long ago changed his pick to Lebron.

[sdot_thadon]

And he STILL didn't address that was the norm for the majority of his top 10 players in the Finals, if not even worse ppg wise :lol

If this aint a banana in the tailpipe....lol

[sdot_thadon]

The Heat needed a comeback because Lebron himself wet the bed - his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force Game 7... Teammates staved off an 0-3 deficit while Lebron wet the bed thru 3 games (16 on 39%)

The 13' Finals would've been a worse choke than the 11' Finals until Ray Allen saved him.. Otherwise, he was averaging 23 on 43% with horrific impact stats (plus minus and net rating)...

Imagine thinking someone was a lock for #2 all-time when they were a bounce or two away from being 2/10 on the championship level and already have a lottery record on the championship level (22-33, worst all-time)..

And I don't want to hear about making 10 Finals because Magic made that many in half the time and Lebron's streak of winning the East didn't start until he consolidated power within the conference by teaming up with the top two 1st options (the definition of stacking the deck).

This was an unprecedented, player-driven formation of a super-team that people allowed because of the surprise factor but it would never fly today - no one would praise Booker if he consolidated power and teamed up with Joker/KAT - no one would respect his rings if he did that.

Ultimately, Lebron's "decision" locked down the league with 3 titles in 6 years and preseason favorite super-teams for 6 straight years (11-16').. So people criticize Durant but Lebron enjoyed the same unprecedented, player-driven collusion that Durant did and for longer (6 years.. 3 chips).

How does this WALL of text disprove what I stated? Lebron dominated the Spurs in the 4th qtr, of game 6, of the finals in a way we've rarely seen done. Then dusted them off with an all-time game 7, with a clutch dagger to boot to seal the title. What you can't seem to process about Lebron is a huge part of his unique goat type greatness is he dominates differently than Mj, differently than perhaps anyone else we've ever seen. He's dominated the way Mj typically has done, by taking over a game with devastating scoring, but he also has these "other" types of games Mj never had. The ones where he does so much of everything he just overwhelms the other team. I can't say I've seen Mj turn a game in that fashion.

[Hey Yo]

Worst?

The first 6 games of the 2013 Finals (23 on 43%) was far from Lebron's worst - it was just a massive choke-job for the reigning MVP and champion.

Like your boy Curry's 2015 and 2016 massive choke jobs?

[SouBeachTalents]

If this aint a banana in the tailpipe....lol
It’s what makes 3ball such a punching bag, his multiple agenda CONSTANTLY come into conflict with each other. He was so shook by this one he didn’t even attempt a 3bot copy paste :lol

[3ba11]

The games where he does so much of everything he just overwhelms the other team. I can't say I've seen Mj turn a game in that fashion.





^^^ "so much of everything" is code for Lebron dominating the ball like a playgrounder (rudimentary strategy).. It's no different than Westbrook or Luka "doing everything" (aka dribble)

Unfortunately, this "heliocentric" approach is an inferior brand of ball and therefore requires more supporting talent.... so it isn't "overwhelming" anyone - it literally requires more supporting talent.

Specifically, heliocentric skillsets are too ball-dominant at carry-job volumes to beat top teams (can't carry scoring load) and therefore require juggernaut scoring help, which is the biggest kind of help - they need goat scorers like Kareem, Wade, Kyrie, AD and super-teams.. When a star can't carry the scoring load, then they need the biggest kind of help - SCORING HELP (star help).

So you're saying that Lebron is overwhelming, but his ball-dominance is actually requiring the GM to go out and find expensive scoring help to support his rudimentary brand of ball.






The games where he does so much of everything he just overwhelms the other team. I can't say I've seen Mj turn a game in that fashion.





Unlike ball-dominators, expert jumpshooters maintain brand of ball at high scoring levels (MJ, Curry), so they can carry the scoring load over good teams and therefore win with less help, aka secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen and a team of cheap defenders..

Obviously, it's easier for a GM to build a team of cheap defenders, but this requires a 1st option that can carry the scoring load.. Otherwise, the GM must find expensive, star scoring help (a GM's nightmare).. So again, Lebron's ball-dominance isn't overwhelming anything except his GM... lol






The games where he does so much of everything he just overwhelms the other team. I can't say I've seen Mj turn a game in that fashion.





Indeed, Lebron always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention in the Finals, so he never defeated maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals).. In addition to not defeating maximum defensive attention, Lebron never carried bed-wetting sidekicks over a top 5 SRS team (no carry-jobs against good teams in 2 decades of playing).

Ultimately, a ball-dominator's inability to carry the scoring load prevents them from winning with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen, which confirms that they need more help in the form of goat scorers like Kareem, Kyrie, Wade or AD.






I can't say I've seen Mj turn a game in that fashion.





Jordan and Rodman led the Bulls in rebounds for the 1997 Playoffs with 8 RPG each.

In addition to rebounds, jordan led in assists WHILE carrying the scoring load for playoffs and Finals (defeated maximum defensive attention).

Lebron never did that..

And Jordan averaged 36/7/8 in the 91-93' finals WHILE defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load)... Again, Lebron never did that.






Lebron dominated the Spurs in the 4th qtr, of game 6, of the finals in a way we've rarely seen done.





Pure nonsense.. 10 points is standard for any 1st option in the 4th of a big game - hundreds of guys have done this..

Unfortunately, Lebron was scoreless when it mattered down the stretch of that game and his bed-wetting up to that point in the series was the reason the team was in the hole to begin with.

Ultimately, if a player wets the bed for 6 games and needs a teammate to save him and force game 7 - that's a chokejob