NBA 75 Ultimate Draft | InsideHoops version

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

NBA 75 Ultimate Draft | InsideHoops version

Here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hohlENK_xQ4) was TNT's version of the NBA 75 Ultimate Draft, where guests built all-time teams from a pool of the NBA75 players.

I need 7 other InsideHoops members who would like to take part in the draft.

We need to draft 10 players each to build our ultimate all-time team.
We would be picking players from the NBA 75th Anniversary Team (see list below).
The draft order would be snake format.
Only 4 wildcard picks are allowed for players not part of the NBA 75th Anniversary Team.

Once the rosters are completed, we let InsideHoops decide who built the strongest team.

Who wants to play?

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Here is a list of the NBA 75th Anniversary Team members (76 players) for your reference:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Dave Cowens
Patrick Ewing
Moses Malone
George Mikan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Robert Parish
David Robinson
Bill Russell
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bill Walton
Willis Reed
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Arizin
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
Elgin Baylor
Larry Bird
Billy Cunningham
Dave DeBusschere
Kevin Durant
Julius Erving
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Jerry Lucas
Karl Malone
Kevin McHale
Dirk Nowitzki
Bob Pettit
Paul Pierce
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman
Dolph Schayes
Dominique Wilkins
James Worthy
Anthony Davis
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Elvin Hayes
Bob McAdoo
John Havlicek
Ray Allen
Nate Archibald
Dave Bing
Kobe Bryant
Bob Cousy
Stephen Curry
Clyde Drexler
Walt Frazier
George Gervin
Hal Greer
James Harden
Allen Iverson
Magic Johnson
Sam Jones
Michael Jordan
Jason Kidd
Damian Lillard
Pete Maravich
Reggie Miller
Earl Monroe
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Gary Payton
Oscar Robertson
Bill Sharman
John Stockton
Isiah Thomas
Dwyane Wade
Jerry West
Russell Westbrook
Lenny Wilkens

[Manny98]

I'm in

[SouBeachTalents]

I’m down

[1987_Lakers]

Here is a list of the NBA 75th Anniversary Team members (76 players) for your reference:

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Dave Cowens
Patrick Ewing
Moses Malone
George Mikan
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Robert Parish
David Robinson
Bill Russell
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bill Walton
Willis Reed
Giannis Antetokounmpo
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Arizin
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
Elgin Baylor
Larry Bird
Billy Cunningham
Dave DeBusschere
Kevin Durant
Julius Erving
LeBron James
Kawhi Leonard
Jerry Lucas
Karl Malone
Kevin McHale
Dirk Nowitzki
Bob Pettit
Paul Pierce
Scottie Pippen
Dennis Rodman
Dolph Schayes
Dominique Wilkins
James Worthy
Anthony Davis
Tim Duncan
Kevin Garnett
Elvin Hayes
Bob McAdoo
John Havlicek
Ray Allen
Nate Archibald
Dave Bing
Kobe Bryant
Bob Cousy
Stephen Curry
Clyde Drexler
Walt Frazier
George Gervin
Hal Greer
James Harden
Allen Iverson
Magic Johnson
Sam Jones
Michael Jordan
Jason Kidd
Damian Lillard
Pete Maravich
Reggie Miller
Earl Monroe
Steve Nash
Chris Paul
Gary Payton
Oscar Robertson
Bill Sharman
John Stockton
Isiah Thomas
Dwyane Wade
Jerry West
Russell Westbrook
Lenny Wilkens

The fact that some of us will be forced to draft players like Bill Sharman, Dave Bing, Lenny Wilkins, Dolph Schayes etc makes me not want to join.

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Manny98
3. SouBeachTalents
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.

5 more players needed.

[Cold soul]

I’m down to play

[iamgine]

im down

[John8204]

Yeah I'll do it

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

1. Hakeem Olajuwon
2. Manny98
3. SouBeachTalents
4. Cold soul
5. iamgine
6. John8204
7.
8.


2 more players needed, then we commence the draft (I will randomize the draft order).

[Champ]

In.

[SouBeachTalents]

I know we need posters, but you just know this dude ^ is not gonna log on during this draft :lol

[Champ]

I know we need posters, but you just know this dude ^ is not gonna log on during this draft :lol

I hope your picks are better than your predictions.

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

One more position to fill!


Did we want to have 4, 6 or 8 hour pick deadlines?

[AlternativeAcc.]

I've won the last 4 of these we've done but **** it, ill join I guess :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

I've won the last 4 of these we've done but **** it, ill join I guess :oldlol:

:whatever:

[Champ]

One more position to fill!


Did we want to have 4, 6 or 8 hour pick deadlines?

Four works. Thanks for doing this.

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Our roster is now complete, let us begin the NBA 75 Ultimate Draft, InsideHoops edition :rockon:

Here is the draft order:

iamgine -
Champ -
Manny98 -
John8204 -
AlternativeAcc. -
SouBeachTalents -
Cold soul -
Hakeem Olajuwon -


@iamgine you have the first pick in the NBA 75 Ultimate Draft.


Rules
- As a reminder, the 76 available players were posted in the OP (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?506765-NBA-75-Ultimate-Draft-InsideHoops-version&p=14664023&viewfull=1#post14664023) (plus an additional 4 wildcard picks for players not listed).

- The deadline for each pick is 8 hours. The clock will officially start 4 hours after this post.

- You must build a roster of 10 players. Ensuring cover for each position (PG, SG, SF, PF & C).

[1987_Lakers]

Just an observer, but I don't think 4 hours is gonna work. People might get skipped when they are sleeping and at work. 8 hours is more reasonable IMO.

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

That is fair, different time zones too.

We aren't in a rush either.

[iamgine]

Jordan

[1987_Lakers]

Is this a snake draft order? I assume it is, but hasn't been mentioned.

Nvm, it's in the OP.

[John8204]

You should probably give people 24 hours with a set start time and then do it every four hours

[Champ]

Magic

[SATAN]

Rudy Gobert

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine - Michael Jordan
Champ - Magic Johnson
Manny98 -
John8204 -
AlternativeAcc. -
SouBeachTalents -
Cold soul -
Hakeem Olajuwon -

[John8204]

Well it's been 8 hours...so I'll take Lebron James I hope Manny shows up or we can get an alternate

[TheMan]

I take Brian GOAT Scalabrine

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bird

[SouBeachTalents]

Steph

[Manny98]

Wtf man I haven't been gone that long let me have my pick
Back I thought we were still looking for one more person to join :facepalm

I'm picking Curry with my 3rd pick and we can go from there

[John8204]

Wtf man I haven't been gone that long let me have my pick
Back I thought we were still looking for one more person to join :facepalm

I'm picking Curry with my 3rd pick and we can go from there

Already taken just pick someone else before the next poster comes along

[1987_Lakers]

This is off to a great start. Lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

Manny slowing down the draft :facepalm

[John8204]

Whelp it's looking like we're going to have five guys with 16 man rosters

[Manny98]

Manny slowing down the draft :facepalm
I got the 3rd pick you **** I'm taking Curry or I'm out

[Xiao Yao You]

I got the 3rd pick you **** I'm taking Curry or I'm out

poor Manny :cry:

[John8204]

Steph

You want to let the little baby get his Curry and take someone else

[Manny98]

You want to let the little baby get his Curry and take someone else

Bro you spend your entire life in a basement im at a club right now having the time of the life go get laid bitch

[John8204]

Bro you spend your entire life in a basement im at a club right now having the time of the life go get laid bitch

cool

and you are throwing a temper tantrum on a message board why don't you just pick someone else so we can move on. You didn't know you were the third pick it's still round one...I had to wait for you and really you wanted Curry big deal.

[Manny98]

cool

and you are throwing a temper tantrum on a message board why don't you just pick someone else so we can move on. You didn't know you were the third pick it's still round one...I had to wait for you and really you wanted Curry big deal.

Touch grass m8

[John8204]

Touch grass m8

Can't lost my legs to the diabetes....MAKE YOUR PICK I have a limited life span

[Manny98]

Can't lost my legs to the diabetes....MAKE YOUR PICK I have a limited life span
****ing loser eat shit no legged bitch :roll::roll::roll:

[John8204]

****ing loser eat shit no legged bitch :roll::roll::roll:

Yes we know you are the coolest of the cool...clearly you have a large ***** and millions of dollars. And this whole thing you are doing isn't a hissy fit from a manchild but really you are just showing us who's the boss right now. But as it gets darker and darker and I feel death creeping on my shoulder I'd like for my last thoughts to be...

MAKE YOUR PICK

[AlternativeAcc.]

Cold soul you're up bro.

7 man draft

[Manny98]

Yes we know you are the coolest of the cool...clearly you have a large ***** and millions of dollars. And this whole thing you are doing isn't a hissy fit from a manchild but really you are just showing us who's the boss right now. But as it gets darker and darker and I feel death creeping on my shoulder I'd like for my last thoughts to be...

MAKE YOUR PICK

Fresh air... Get some

[John8204]

So you are just gleefully wasting everyones time got it....poor widdle Manny can't play it wasn't fayer so now he has to rehash the same old insults

so do we wait for Alternates or just draft to 15/16

[Manny98]

I can't be asked to go back and forth with these cringe trolls so im just going to pick 6th

So

Jordan
Magic
Curry
Bird
LeBron

With the 6th pick I take Kevin Durant

Cold soul you're up

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

To keep the peace:

iamgine - Jordan
Champ - Magic
John8204 - LeBron
AlternativeAcc. - Bird
SouBeachTalents - Curry
Manny98 - Durant
Cold soul -
Hakeem Olajuwon -

[1987_Lakers]

RIP draft?

[RRR3]

Manny making fun of handicapped people :facepalm

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Please can someone private message Cold Soul

I still do not have that function on my account :/

[1987_Lakers]

They took away private messages years ago, lol.

[1987_Lakers]

To make the draft faster, I'll take his spot.

I'll take Hakeem Olajuwon

[SouBeachTalents]

At this rate, we may just finish the draft by November :applause:

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine - Jordan
Champ - Magic
John8204 - LeBron
AlternativeAcc. - Bird
SouBeachTalents - Curry
Manny98 - Durant
1987_Lakers - Hakeem
Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi

@1987_Lakers

[1987_Lakers]

Kevin Garnett

[Manny98]

Shaq

[SouBeachTalents]

Kareem

[AlternativeAcc.]

Giannis

[John8204]

Well finally got power back...anyways I'll take Kobe Bryant

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine - Jordan
Champ - Magic
John8204 - LeBron, Kobe
AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis
SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem
Manny98 - Durant, Shaq
1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett
Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi

[Champ]

Wilt

[iamgine]

me? nikola and robinson

[SouBeachTalents]

I think we need some clarification on these wildcard picks, since Jokic was just taken and he didn't make the 75th anniversary list. Can these 5 players be taken at any time?

[John8204]

I think we need some clarification on these wildcard picks, since Jokic was just taken and he didn't make the 75th anniversary list. Can these 5 players be taken at any time?

It's 4 players dummy

[SouBeachTalents]

It's 4 players dummy
8 teams, 10 picks

80-75=5

Not surprised the dumbest poster on the board couldn't do such basic math :lol

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

I believe 76 players were added to the 75 list.

[John8204]

8 teams, 10 picks

80-75=5

Not surprised the dumbest poster on the board couldn't do such basic math :lol


NBA 75 Ultimate Draft | InsideHoops version

We need to draft 10 players each to build our ultimate all-time team.
We would be picking players from the NBA 75th Anniversary Team (see list below).
The draft order would be snake format.
Only 4 wildcard picks are allowed for players not part of the NBA 75th Anniversary Team.

Who wants to play?

I both knew that there were 76 players on the top 75 list and I read the first post which clearly states that you have 4 wildcard picks. What does it say about you that the alleged "dumbest" poster on the board has to correct you.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I believe 76 players were added to the 75 list.

So I assume they can be taken at any time and not just the end of the draft, correct?

[1987_Lakers]

This is why I was hesitant about joining, no fun being required drafting some of those guys on the list, handful of players on that top 75 isn't appealing.

[SouBeachTalents]

I both knew that there were 76 players on the top 75 list and I read the first post which clearly states that you have 4 wildcard picks. What does it say about you that the alleged "dumbest" poster on the board has to correct you.
I'm glad the fact they had 76 players on a top 75 list allowed you to be right for once :applause:

[Champ]

Russell

[John8204]

Well with Kobe and Lebron I don't need a traditional PG so I will take wild card #2 Luka Doncic

[AlternativeAcc.]

Best 3pt shooter ever Klay "no Klay no play" Thompson

[John8204]

So to clarify for really smart poster South Beach Talents 3 Wildcards have been taken 1 Wild Card is left if he does not take a Wild Card he won't get a Wild Card.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dirk

[Manny98]

Pippen

[1987_Lakers]

Jerry West

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

So I assume they can be taken at any time and not just the end of the draft, correct?
Correct, you can make a wildcard pick at anytime

We are limited to 4 players not listed on the 75 NBA list though.

[1987_Lakers]

You on the clock Hakeem

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

This is why I was hesitant about joining, no fun being required drafting some of those guys on the list, handful of players on that top 75 isn't appealing.
This is a celebration of NBA history and legends, building an all-time team to dominate every era.

We can have a 2023 draft next.

[1987_Lakers]

Best 3pt shooter ever Klay "no Klay no play" Thompson

Jesus, I somehow missed this pick. Klay getting picked at #20? Interesting.

[John8204]

Jesus, I somehow missed this pick. Klay getting picked at #20? Interesting.

Blocked Southbeach from getting both Splash brothers...you could have Klay coming off the bench with all the SG's still available.

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson
Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell
John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic
AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay
SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk
Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen
1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West
Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi, Wade, Allen

[1987_Lakers]

Was debating between Wade & Chris Paul, but since Wade just got picked it makes this selection easier for me.

CP3

G - CP3
G - West
F - Garnett
C - Hakeem

[Manny98]

Hakeem just to confirm is that Ray Allen or Allen Iverson?

[1987_Lakers]

Hakeem just to confirm is that Ray Allen or Allen Iverson?

Its Ray Allen

[Manny98]

Ok I pick Harden

[SouBeachTalents]

Might as well use the last wildcard pick here, McGrady

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jesus, I somehow missed this pick. Klay getting picked at #20? Interesting.

I guarentee he wouldn't have made it to my next turn, and I still get the big man I want,

Anthony Davis.

Klay
Bird
Giannis
Davis


Klay is the perfect complementsry player and the best catch and shoot player 3 point shooter ever. Put some respek on his name!

[1987_Lakers]

I guarentee he wouldn't have made it to my next turn, and I still get the big man I want,

Anthony Davis.

Klay
Bird
Giannis
Davis


Klay is the perfect complementsry player and the best catch and shoot player 3 point shooter ever. Put some respek on his name!

What happened to Walton? lol

I guess I get it since it's not a peak draft.

[AlternativeAcc.]

What happened to Walton? lol

I guess I get it since it's not a peak draft.

Yeah. Wasn't specified as a peak draft and Davis is more athletic/formidable offensively. On this team I need a bit more scoring from Davis.

[John8204]

Well I'm shocked this guy fell to Round 4

PG - Luka
SG - Kobe
PF - Lebron
SF - Julius "Dr J" Erving

[1987_Lakers]

Yea, Dr. J is another player I considered with my previous pick, just don't like his lack of shooting skills.

[Champ]

AI

[iamgine]

Miller & Rodman

[1987_Lakers]

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson, Miller, Rodman
Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI,
John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving
AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD
SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady
Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden
1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3
Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi, Wade, Allen

Champ on the clock

[kawhileonard2]

The fact that some of us will be forced to draft players like Bill Sharman, Dave Bing, Lenny Wilkins, Dolph Schayes etc makes me not want to join.

Why is that?

[1987_Lakers]

Why is that?

https://y.yarn.co/d24dcb8c-7e2b-443b-a1e0-0810a732b04a_text.gif

[Champ]

Barkley

[John8204]

Obviously I need a center and somehow Dr J's partner...3 time MVP 30K scorer and top three rebounder

PG - Luka
SG - Kobe
PF - Lebron
SF - Dr J
C - M. Malone

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Hakeem just to confirm is that Ray Allen or Allen Iverson?
Ray Allen

[1987_Lakers]

Alter on the clock

How long do we have to make a pick?

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Alter on the clock

How long do we have to make a pick?
We’ve left it to 8 hours to cover time zones and work

[1987_Lakers]

We’ve left it to 8 hours to cover time zones and work

So that means Alter has had 10 hours to make his pick, but he's still not here.

Should we skip?

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

So that means Alter has had 10 hours to make his pick, but he's still not here.

Should we skip?

Correct, SouBeachTalents is now on the clock:

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, David Robinson, Miller, Rodman
Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI, Barkley
John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving, Moses Malone
AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD
SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady
Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden
1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3
Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi, Wade, Ray Allen

[SouBeachTalents]

Pierce

[AlternativeAcc.]

I'll take Stockton

[Manny98]

Gary Payton

[1987_Lakers]

John "Hondo" Havlicek

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson, Miller, Rodman

Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI, Barkley

John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving, Moses Malone

AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD, Stockton

SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady, Pierce

Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, Payton

1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3, Havlicek

Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi, Wade, Allen, Kidd, Karl Malone

[1987_Lakers]

Probably the GOAT when you only factor in shooting/passing. Probably created more open shots for teammates than any player in NBA history, & a career 43% 3 point shooter.

Steve Nash

[Airupthere]

I like 1986_Lakers, Champ, and Olajuwon's teams

[Manny98]

Lillard as my 6th man

[SouBeachTalents]

I got this dude as my backup PG last game too :lol

Oscar

[1987_Lakers]

We are about to enter a really weird part of the draft. Lots of undesirable dudes about to be taken.

[1987_Lakers]

I like 1986_Lakers, Champ, and Olajuwon's teams

Thanks. Hakeem has a great team so far. Don't know about Champ though, just my opinion.

[1987_Lakers]

alt on the clock

[AlternativeAcc.]

Ewing

[John8204]

Let's grab a defensive PG....Walt Frazier

[Champ]

Nique

[iamgine]

Isiah & drexler

[Champ]

McHale

[Champ]

Thanks. Hakeem has a great team so far. Don't know about Champ though, just my opinion.

A bit unconventional, I know, but I'm thinking somewhat flexibly in terms of positions and playing styles. This roster is versatile by design, with two of game's greatest winners in Magic and Russell tying it together and keeping everyone in check.

Wilt - C
Russell - PF/C (who loved to pass out of the high post)
Barkley - SF/PF
Iverson - SG
Magic - PG
McHale - 6th man (PF or C)
Nique - Dynamic scorer off the bench (SF, but could play SG in a pinch)

I don't know if I have the best team, but I do have the best rebounding one (so far), along with the best scorer and playmaker in the draft.

[John8204]

I'm going to stick with defense and take the underrated Nate Thurmond

[AlternativeAcc.]

Rick Barry

[SouBeachTalents]

Walton. The draft is gonna get pretty brutal after this :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

I just realized my team is insanely good

A lot of the teams just have names thrown together with no thought of chemistry

I'm sorry but I have the best shooting backcourt + Giannis/Davis who recently won titles scoring 30ppg and are the best defenders in the league when healthy

Giannis is a dominant penetrator surrounded by 3 incredible shooters, two of which are the best of their position all time.

I vote for myself

[1987_Lakers]

Giannis/Davis who recently won titles scoring 30ppg and are the best defenders in the league when healthy

That's cute. Hakeem & KG are arguably the best defenders ever at their position. :pimp:

[AlternativeAcc.]

That's cute. Hakeem & KG are arguably the best defenders ever at their position. :pimp:

Giannis and KG are close defensively and both extremely versatile. but Giannis is a tier or two better than KG offensively.. would've won back to back championships scoring 30+ppg, over 12 boards and 5+ assists had Middleton not got hurt... that's insane. And he's surrounded by Klay and Bird shooting when he penetrates. Not fair.

[Manny98]

I'd go with Melo

[Champ]

Walton. The draft is gonna get pretty brutal after this :lol

Nah. There's still plenty of great players left on that board.

[1987_Lakers]

Elgin Baylor

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Robert "the Chief" Parish - I need a complementary piece for my front court options and the Chief is the ideal man: strong, agile, very consistent, possessing an impressive mid-range jump-shot and a solid low-post scorer and rebounder over many years. The Chief will elevate his teammates. A 9x All-Star, Parish formed a formidable front court with Bird and McHale in the 80s, helping to neutralize some of the very best centers the NBA has ever seen.

George "the Iceman" Gervin - another pure scorer to add to my wings, Gervin was one of the most unstoppable scorers in NBA history: 4× NBA scoring champion (1978, 1979, 1980 & 1982). Lethal and efficient within 15 feet and the perimeter when there was no 3-point line. His other personal accolades included 9x All-Star and 7x All-NBA.

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson, Miller, Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Drexler

Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI, Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, McHale

John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving, Moses Malone, Walt Frazier, Thurmond

AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD, Stockton, Ewing, Barry

SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady, Pierce, Oscar Robertson, Walton

Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, Payton, Lillard, Melo

1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3, Havlicek, Nash, Baylor

Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi, Wade, Allen, Kidd, Karl Malone, Parish, George Gervin

[1987_Lakers]

Bob Pettit, only player to beat Russell in the Finals.

2x MVP

[Manny98]

Reed

[SouBeachTalents]

Worthy

[AlternativeAcc.]

Westbrook

He's actually been pretty great in international play with several other stars, so he's best with a limited role off the bench as an athletic freak/spark plug

[John8204]

John8204 -

PG - Doncic, Frazier
SG - Kobe
SF - Erving
PF - LeBron
C - Moses Malone, Thurmond

Looking at who is available and my needs...I'm going to go ahead and grab Pistol Pete Maravich as a scoring sixth man..great 3 point shooter and passer Pete could get off his own shot..frankly this is a no brainer.

I'm also very happy to see who I can get with my ninth pick. I've got a solid four guys that fit my team very well.

[Champ]

The other "Mr. Clutch," who always raised his game come playoff time - 10x NBA champion Sam Jones.

[1987_Lakers]

The other "Mr. Clutch," who always raised his game come playoff time - 10x NBA champion Sam Jones.

He was on my radar.

[iamgine]

Cowens & Reed

[John8204]

Cowens & Reed

Already taken

[iamgine]

oops. Mcadoo.

[John8204]

oops. Mcadoo.

good pick

[Champ]

Tiny

[John8204]

I was going back and fourth between two players I was hoping one of them would get picked to make easier on me...but they didn't.

PG - Doncic, Frazier
SG - Kobe, Maravich
SF - Erving
PF - LeBron, Mikan
C - M. Malone, Thurmond

10 seasons 7 championships (5 NBA/BAA, 2 NBL), top 30 all-time in PPG, George Mikan was a big with a soft touch who could score with his right or his left hand.

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson, Miller, Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Drexler, Cowens, McAdoo

Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI, Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, McHale, Sam Jones, Tiny

John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving, Moses Malone, Walt Frazier, Thurmond, Maravich

AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD, Stockton, Ewing, Barry, Westbrook

SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady, Pierce, Oscar Robertson, Walton, Worthy

Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, Payton, Lillard, Melo, Reed

1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3, Havlicek, Nash, Baylor, Pettit

Hakeem Olajuwon - Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Dwyane Wade, Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Karl Malone, Robert Parish, George Gervin

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

SouBeachTalents is up

[SouBeachTalents]

Jerry Lucas

[Manny98]

Dave DeBusschere

[1987_Lakers]

Hal Greer

[AlternativeAcc.]

Has big dick Hayes been taken? If not I'll take him

[AlternativeAcc.]

Let's get a ****ing update in here God damn. Can we get some ****ing admin work OP? Jesus

[1987_Lakers]

Has big dick Hayes been taken? If not I'll take him

Who says I won't take him? Lol

OP needs a PF so he's probably gonna take him

[AlternativeAcc.]

Who says I won't take him? Lol

I don't know whose fukking turn it is, idk whose left.... op is lazy as hell

Pretty sure it's my turn

[1987_Lakers]

It's OP's turn. I have two players in mind. Both won a chip as teammates.

One is less talented but more team oriented and has intangibles.

The other is clearly more talented but often looked as a bad teammate who might kill team morale.

[AlternativeAcc.]

It's OP's turn. I have two players in mind. Both won a chip as teammates.

One is less talented but more team oriented and has intangibles.

The other is clearly more talented but often looked as a bad teammate who might kill team morale.

I got skipped

So it's been my turn

[1987_Lakers]

I got skipped

So it's been my turn

Damn you are right. I'm guessing you take Hayes.

[1987_Lakers]

Make your two picks Hakeem. My lunch break is almost over.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Damn you are right. I'm guessing you take Hayes.

Yeah. Big dick Hayes is the steal of the draft!

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

Bob Cousy
Dolph Schayes

[1987_Lakers]

'69 NBA MVP & '78 FMVP

Wes Unseld

Hakeem - Unseld
KG - Pettit
Havlicek - Baylor
West - Greer
CP3 - Nash

[1987_Lakers]

I admittedly don't know THAT much about some 70's players, I got curious about Hayes & Unseld since they were just drafted here and here is what one poster from another site said when comparing both players..


Tough, tough question. A lot of this from a post I wrote years ago ... and, in general, I’d defer to penbeast on questions regarding the Bullets/Wizards.

I think Hayes is better ... but it’s hard to tell because a chunk of what made Elvin great was a byproduct of having Wes Unseld as a teammate. Hayes is a great player, but isn't as good as his numbers. And he was incredibly lucky to play alongside Wes Unseld--and vice versa. (Unseld is better than his numbers.) The two men were polar opposites, but extraordinarily complementary. Elvin was a good sized, quick player that excelled on weak side D, who loved to shoot, hated to pass, was inclined to take more credit for success than he deserved, tended to whine and sulk and blame others for failure, and was disliked by teammates and virtually everyone else in the league. Unseld was a short, wide player with ridiculously long arms that excelled as a man defender and at holding his position, hated to shoot, loved to pass, kept his mouth shut and did his job, and was almost universally liked and respected. They were the best thing to ever happen to each other.

I personally think Unseld helped Hayes more than vice versa, especially on D. Like I said, Hayes was a very good weak side defender. But he was helped immeasurably by having a rock like Unseld inside. When low post opponents had to go around Wes to try and shoot, Hayes was there. The main reason Elvin Hayes averaged 2.2 blocks a game with the Bullets was because of Wes Unseld. Hayes made of a couple of All-D teams. But, IMO, Wes was a (much) better defender. Proof? Elvin's block numbers barely varied while he was with the Bullets. When he went to Houston, to play alongside Moses, Moses couldn't man up the way Wes had—he had a great motor (more so on the boards), but he simply couldn't body up to guys like Unseld did. That extra fraction of a second saved by getting through Moses instead of Unseld, the greater number of plays where Moses got backed down as opposed to Wes...those made a big difference in the amount of opportunities Hayes had for weak side defensive help and blocks. Hayes had just come off his eighth consecutive season of averaging more than 2 blocks a game and was supposedly more focused on D (since the Rockets already had their low post scoring machine). Hayes' block numbers went down by 40% playing alongside Moses. Part of that is due to age—but that's a humungous drop in one year. And I think that drop would have happened with 95% of other Cs in the league.

They were even more different in temperament and personality. Alex Hannum, who was a pretty good guy and coach, said Hayes was "the most despicable person I've ever met in sports.” That’s coming from a guy who spent a lifetime in basketball. After the Bullets won a title, Hannum said,

“Hayes was exactly the kind of player I did not want. He's a front-runner. Put him in a situation where there's tension and he does not face it with courage. Give him a challenge and he'll always find some excuse to fold. I still believe it. Even last year, the Bullets won despite him rather than because of him."


When Tex Winter coached Hayes, he asked to Hayes share the ball more. We all know Winter was a ball movement coach. Hayes replied, “I’m an all-star. Don’t expect me to pass. It’s like asking Babe Ruth to bunt.” Winter's response was

“I found him so lacking in fundamentals. It's true that I tried to mold him into my concept of what a post man should be, but I could not get any response from him and that caused all sorts of problems on the club. He knew he was more valuable than I was and there was just no way I could build a young club around him."

Hayes's negative intangibles are, IMO, huge. They were largely kept in check by Unseld. Unseld was a fairly quiet, hard working guy that led by example and was hugely respected by opposing players and coaches. Which meant nothing to Elvin, who attacked him anyway even though Unseld was his teammate. Think about that for a second. If Hayes had played next to, say, Shaq, he would've bagged on Shaq every time the the big guy's conditioning wasn't good, or he made a mistake. And he'd take more credit than he would have for any victory. How do you think that would have worked out? And it's not just Shaq. Leaving out that Unseld's style of play was a perfect compliment to Hayes's...how many players today would have not engaged in a war of words and chosen to lead by example the way Wes did? Hayes frequently ripped on Unseld's lack of scoring. Unseld took the high road.

Hayes was a very slightly better player. I just don’t think the difference is as large as the numbers indicate, though; some of it is longetivity. But, in the end, he was a very good rebounder, a very good defender, and a very good (albeit inefficient) scorer that was an absolute iron man. He would get you 22 and 12 and two plus blocks pretty much every night, play 40 minutes a game, and play every game. That's the truth, and it’s very slightly better than Wes, who excelled at rebounding, man D, hard screens, and passing. Less glamorous and for a shorter time with more missed games. Among players who could or did average 22 and 12 and two plus blocks while playing 40 mpg for 82 games, Hayes is at or near the bottom of the list. That doesn't make him bad by any stretch of the imagination—but IMO, it makes him very slightly more valuable than Wes, even if it shows that Elvin could/should have been better.

Very insightful stuff. I already knew alot of this stuff about Hayes, but didn't really know Unseld was such a good low post man defender.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I'm not putting any stock in these last few picks lol.

Starters playing 48mins baby!

[Champ]

Unseld, along with Bird, is probably the best outlet passer in league history.

[1987_Lakers]

Unseld, along with Bird, is probably the best outlet passer in league history.

Kevin Love, another great outlet passer has the middle name "Wesley" he was named after Wes Unseld. Kevin Love's dad and Unseld were teammates and good friends.

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson, Miller, Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Drexler, Cowens, McAdoo

Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI, Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, McHale, Sam Jones, Tiny

John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving, Moses Malone, Walt Frazier, Thurmond, Maravich

AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD, Stockton, Ewing, Barry, Westbrook, Hayes

SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady, Pierce, Oscar Robertson, Walton, Worthy, Jerry Lucas

Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, Payton, Lillard, Melo, Reed, Dave DeBusschere

1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3, Havlicek, Nash, Baylor, Pettit, Hal Greer, Wes Unseld

Hakeem Olajuwon - Tim Duncan, Kawhi Leonard, Dwyane Wade, Ray Allen, Jason Kidd, Karl Malone, Robert Parish, George Gervin, Bob Cousy, Dolph Schayes


I believe the remaining players in the NBA 75 pool are:
Paul Arizin
Dave Bing
Billy Cunningham
Earl Monroe
Bill Sharman
Lenny Wilkens

[SouBeachTalents]

Dave Bing

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bill Sharman. Best shooter of the 50s!

[John8204]

PG - Doncic, Frazier
SG - Kobe, Maravich
SF - Erving, Paul Arizin
PF - LeBron, Mikan
C - M. Malone, Thurmond

I was debating between George Mikan and Paul Arizin and I got both...for those that don't know about Paul Arizin he made nearly as many foul shots as field goals..the founder of the jump shot and a top 30 PPG player.

Wilt's 100 point game...facilitated by Arizin.

[Manny98]

Earl Monroe

Final team

PG - Payton | Lillard
SG - Harden | Monroe
SF - Pippen | DeBusschere
PF - KD | Melo
C - Shaq | Reed

KD,Shaq and Harden is basically unstoppable on offense with Pippen and Payton locking up the opposing teams best player, then got Lillard bombing down 3s off the bench

Pretty happy with my team despite getting screwed over in the beginning :applause:

[1987_Lakers]

Earl Monroe

Final team

PG - Payton | Lillard
SG - Harden | Monroe
SF - Pippen | DeBusschere
PF - KD | Melo
C - Shaq | Reed

KD,Shaq and Harden is basically unstoppable on offense with Pippen and Payton locking up the opposing teams best player, then got Lillard bombing down 3s off the bench

Pretty happy with my team despite getting screwed over in the beginning :applause:

Thanks for drafting GP and passing up on Nash who I grabbed. Lol

In your situation I would have drafted Nash then maybe drafted Fraizer a round or 2 later. GP and Frazier basically give you the same value. Good offense and elite defense.

[Manny98]

Thanks for drafting GP and passing up on Nash who I grabbed. Lol

In your situation I would have drafted Nash then maybe drafted Fraizer a round or 2 later. GP and Frazier basically give you the same value. Good offense and elite defense.
I passed up Nash because I wanted a lockdown defender

I've got all the offense I need with the combination of Harden,KD and Shaq :applause:

[John8204]

Thanks for drafting GP and passing up on Nash who I grabbed. Lol

In your situation I would have drafted Nash then maybe drafted Fraizer a round or 2 later. GP and Frazier basically give you the same value. Good offense and elite defense.

You mean like having

PG - Walt Frazier (7X All Defense) (6X All-NBA 1/2)
SG - Kobe Bryant (9X All Defense) (15X All-NBA 1/2/3)
SF - Lebron James (6X All Defense) (18X All-NBA 1/2/3)
PF - Moses Malone (2X All Defense) (8X All-NBA 1/2)
C - Nate Thurmond (5X All Defense)

[Champ]

Looks like we went slightly out of order, but if I'm not mistaken, I'm up.

I need a tough, rebounding forward to round out my second team, so Billy "The Kangaroo Kid" Cunningham it is. Won a title with Wilt, and had a surprisingly good PER for his era. Pretty efficent, too, and ended being a great coach and motivator. I very happy to have him as my 10th and final pick.

[1987_Lakers]

That concludes the draft. Anyone want me to make a realgm poll later on today just for fun?

[Champ]

Before putting our teams up to a forum vote, I think it would be nice if we could each take a paragraph or so to summarize our lineups/rotations, along with a "pitch" on why we think our team deserves consideration.

[SouBeachTalents]

If you’re gonna make a poll, let me post my lineup

Curry
McGrady
Pierce
Dirk
Kareem

Oscar
Bing
Worthy
Lucas
Walton

[AlternativeAcc.]

Stockton
Klay
Bird
Giannis
Davis


The best starting lineup ever assembled. Perfect symmetry, amazing lineup man I'm proud of my guys for winning this thing.


Bench:
Westbrook
Sharman
Barry
Hayes
Ewing


Scrapy mother ****ers. Won't see much playing time, but chip on shoulder mugs. Got something to prove.

[Im so nba'd out]

Why was Wembanyama not drafted with one of the wildcards?

[1987_Lakers]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2229976

Made a thread with a poll

[1987_Lakers]

30 min in and nobody has voted so far. We had votes right off the bat the last time we posted a poll there. I'm guessing since it's close to NBA season people are more interested in what's going on in the NBA, the last time we did this was in the middle of the summer where nothing was going on NBA related.

[iamgine]

Lineup:

G - Jordan
G - R. Miller
F - Rodman
C/F - D. Robinson
C - Jokic

Bench

G - Isiah Thomas
G/F - Drexler
F - Mcadoo
C/F - Cowens

G - L. Wilkens

Best team in draft by far.

Good draft everyone. At least it finishes. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

2 votes! :eek:

[1987_Lakers]

First reply!


Team 3 just seems like pieces fit perfectly and a ton of talent on both sides

Team 4 I had as a close second

[John8204]

I put together a 10 man lineup with versatility and flexibility...

A Defensive Line up
Frasier, Kobe, Lebron, Malone, Thurmond
A Triangle Line up
Kobe, Doncic, Lebron, Erving, Malone
A fast small ball spread
Maravich, Kobe, Erving, Doncic, Lebron
A dominate big man group
Kobe, Lebron, Malone, Mikan, Thurmond

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2229976

Made a thread with a poll
Thank you

[nayte]

Is there a list of all the final teams.
Like alt accounts team but need to see the rest

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

iamgine
PG - Jordan - Isiah
SG - Miller - L. Wilkens
SF - Rodman - Drexler
PF - D. Robinson - McAdoo
C - Jokic - Cowens

Champ
PG - Magic - Archibald
SG - Iverson - S. Jones
SF - D. Wilkins - Cunningham
PF - Barkley - McHale
C - Wilt - Russell

John8204
PG - Doncic - Frazier
SG - Kobe - Maravich
SF - Erving - Arizin
PF - LeBron - Mikan
C - Moses - Thurmond

AlternativeAcc.
PG - Stockton - Westbrook
SG - Klay - Sharman
SF - Bird - Barry
PF - Giannis - Hayes
C - Davis - Ewing

SouBeachTalents
PG - Curry - Oscar
SG - McGrady - Bing
SF - Pierce - Worthy
PF - Dirk - Lucas
C - Kareem - Walton

Manny98
PG - Payton - Lillard
SG - Harden - Monroe
SF - Pippen - DeBusschere
PF - Durant - Melo
C - Shaq - Reed

1987_Lakers
PG - CP3 - Nash
SG - West - Greer
SF - Havlicek - Baylor
SF - Garnett - Pettit
C - Hakeem - Unseld

Hakeem Olajuwon
PG - Kidd - Cousy
SG - Wade - R. Allen
SF - Kawhi - Gervin
PF - K. Malone - Schayes
C - Duncan - Parish

[nayte]

Thanks hakeem

[nayte]

iamgine
PG - Jordan - Isiah
SG - Miller - L. Wilkens
SF - Rodman - Drexler
PF - D. Robinson - McAdoo
C - Jokic - Cowens

Champ
PG - Magic - Archibald
SG - Iverson - S. Jones
SF - D. Wilkins - Cunningham
PF - Barkley - McHale
C - Wilt - Russell

John8204
PG - Doncic - Frazier
SG - Kobe - Maravich
SF - Erving - Arizin
PF - LeBron - Mikan
C - Moses - Thurmond

AlternativeAcc.
PG - Stockton - Westbrook
SG - Klay - Sharman
SF - Bird - Barry
PF - Giannis - Hayes
C - Davis - Ewing

SouBeachTalents
PG - Curry - Oscar
SG - McGrady - Bing
SF - Pierce - Worthy
PF - Dirk - Lucas
C - Kareem - Walton

Manny98
PG - Payton - Lillard
SG - Harden - Monroe
SF - Pippen - DeBusschere
PF - Durant - Melo
C - Shaq - Reed

1987_Lakers
PG - CP3 - Nash
SG - West - Greer
SF - Havlicek - Baylor
SF - Garnett - Pettit
C - Hakeem - Unseld

Hakeem Olajuwon
PG - Kidd - Cousy
SG - Wade - R. Allen
SF - Kawhi - Gervin
PF - K. Malone - Schayes
C - Duncan - Parish

While I know I'm no expert on all this.and all teams are great.that goes without saying.
In this era I still go with Alts team.
It's hard to go against Jordan but Manny's team looks good too

[1987_Lakers]

I bumped the realgm thread so we can try and get more votes.

[AlternativeAcc.]

When are we making a thread

Realgm poll was proven to be bogus last time

[1987_Lakers]

When are we making a thread

Realgm poll was proven to be bogus last time

In first place again. :pimp:

Lol. The overall votes this time are low

[AlternativeAcc.]

In first place again. :pimp:

Lol. The overall votes this time are low

Realgm is ass lol. We need a real poll

[Manny98]

Realgm is ass lol. We need a real poll

We're not doing an ISH poll so you and all your alts can vote yourself :oldlol:

Although I think you and 1987 have the two best teams not including mine imo

[Wally450]

I think I give the nod to Hakeem's team on this.

[AlternativeAcc.]

We're not doing an ISH poll so you and all your alts can vote yourself :oldlol:

Although I think you and 1987 have the two best teams not including mine imo

I dont have any alts. If anything I have a ton of haters who would refuse to vote me if they know it's my team

And OP stated he would let ISH decide at the end, so that's how it'll be

I already know I have the best team, but still. Let's let OP do what he said he was gonna do

[1987_Lakers]

Besides myself, I think Soubeach and Hakeem have very strong teams.

Alter has a great starting 5 in terms of chemistry and fit, but I think he kinda ruined that by adding Westbrook and Hayes, I have his team at #4 with Manny right behind him.

I feel champ and John have the worst teams, no offense.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Besides myself, I think Soubeach and Hakeem have very strong teams.

Alter has a great starting 5 in terms of chemistry and fit, but I think he kinda ruined that by adding Westbrook and Hayes, I have his team at #4 with Manny right behind him.

I feel champ and John have the worst teams, no offense.

Why would bench pieces ruin chemistry lol

They're playing 10mins at most, and westbrook has been great on national teams. He sucks when he's 1st or 2nd option, not 8th option

[SouBeachTalents]

I think Alt & '87 Lakers have the best teams. My only concern for Alt's team is idk how well AD holds up against these centers, and while he's said his bench is getting limited minutes, he has some serious blackholes in Westbrook & Hayes.

Hakeem's team has GOAT tier defense, though I'd be really tempted to put Wade at the point & start Ray to provide more spacing, with the lack of shooting in his starting lineup being his biggest flaw imo.

Manny has a nice team, but I just hate having someone as ball dominant as Harden in these fantasy drafts.

Iamgine went an interesting route, though I think in this era and with how the other teams are constructed, having Rodman as your 3 is an absolute killer offensively, especially with how little 3 point shooting he has in his starting lineup outside of Reggie.

I agree with '87 Lakers, Champ & John have the two worst teams in the draft. Neither has any spacing or shooting while having several ball dominant players in their starting lineups.

I'm honestly pretty happy with how my team turned out. I'd have GOAT tier spacing and shooting, two ATG's in Oscar & Walton coming off the bench, and I think my lineup and bench would be able to play very cohesively together. My teams biggest flaw is I wasn't able to get another elite defensive player outside of my centers.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I think Alt & '87 Lakers have the best teams. My only concern for Alt's team is idk how well AD holds up against these centers, and while he's said his bench is getting limited minutes, he has some serious blackholes in Westbrook & Hayes.


I agree that ADs post D on some of these guys would be the weakness of my team.

Not putting too much stock into people's benches. We were choosing between dudes from the 50s and flawed players. I'd rather have a super athlete than Bob cousy or some shit lol

[Champ]

I posted my starting lineup, but evidently it didn't make it through. No sane coach would bring Bill Russell off the bench.

My rotation is as follows:

PG - Magic - Archibald
SG - Iverson - S. Jones
SF - Barkley - Nique
PF - Russell - Cunningham
C - Wilt - McHale (sixth man)

[Xiao Yao You]

I like 87 Lakers team best. Only one without players I didn't care for or that I thought were overrated and not top 75

[John8204]

I agree with '87 Lakers, Champ & John have the two worst teams in the draft. Neither has any spacing or shooting while having several ball dominant players in their starting lineups.



Oh I see so we are just blatantly lying now.

9 Scoring Titles
3 Top Ten Total Point Scorers
12 NBA/ABA MVP's

Just out of curiosity where do you think Pete Maravich shot from when he won the scoring title? Or Moses Malone when he got his three MVP's.

I get that you don't like me but don't lie and act like you have some sound reasoning

[Manny98]

Oh I see so we are just blatantly lying now.

9 Scoring Titles
3 Top Ten Total Point Scorers
12 NBA/ABA MVP's

Just out of curiosity where do you think Pete Maravich shot from when he won the scoring title? Or Moses Malone when he got his three MVP's.

I get that you don't like me but don't lie and act like you have some sound reasoning
Is he lying?

Your team has no real sharpshooters from 3

You have Lebron and Doncic together, two ball dominant guys

[1987_Lakers]

Oh I see so we are just blatantly lying now.

9 Scoring Titles
3 Top Ten Total Point Scorers
12 NBA/ABA MVP's

Just out of curiosity where do you think Pete Maravich shot from when he won the scoring title? Or Moses Malone when he got his three MVP's.

I get that you don't like me but don't lie and act like you have some sound reasoning

Dude, none of your starters are known as 3 point shooters. Lol. Even if you want to call Maravich a 3 point shooter you have no shooters elsewhere.

[John8204]

Who do you think they made the three point line for? Maravich was a 30PPG player shooting three pointers and only getting credit for 2. You know what also mitigates 3pt shooting 2 of the best re-bounders (Thrumond and Malone) and perimeter guards (Frazier and Kobe) of all-time.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who do you think they made the three point line for? Maravich was a 30PPG player shooting three pointers and only getting credit for 2. You know what also mitigates 3pt shooting 2 of the best re-bounders (Thrumond and Malone) and perimeter guards (Frazier and Kobe) of all-time.

Maravich was done the year they added the 3. Doubt it was for him

[1987_Lakers]

I enjoyed this, learned more about past players since we were forced to draft guys who we aren't too familiar with.

As I stated earlier, I didn't know Wes Unseld's post defense was so well regarded despite his size. Also learned Hal Greer was also considered one of the better defensive guards of his time despite being known by some as an offensive player, also a better all-around player than Sam Jones, who is usually ranked higher.

[SouBeachTalents]

I enjoyed this, learned more about past players since we were forced to draft guys who we aren't too familiar with.

As I stated earlier, I didn't know Wes Unseld's post defense was so well regarded despite his size. Also learned Hal Greer was also considered one of the better defensive guards of his time despite being known by some as an offensive player, also a better all-around player than Sam Jones, who is usually ranked higher.
What surprised me most was Jerry Lucas being a legitimately great shooter, he was like the OG stretch 4.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2zx_yHU3rU&ab_channel=CrunchyManSopa

Jump to 2:04, he looks like Bird or Dirk out there. I would've never guessed a 20 rpg player from the 60's would've had a shooting touch like that, or even take deep jumpers like that in the first place.

[1987_Lakers]

What surprised me most was Jerry Lucas being a legitimately great shooter, he was like the OG stretch 4.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2zx_yHU3rU&ab_channel=CrunchyManSopa

Jump to 2:04, he looks like Bird or Dirk out there. I would've never guessed a 20 rpg player from the 60's would've had a shooting touch like that, or even take deep jumpers like that in the first place.

Oh yea, I knew Jerry Lucas could shoot. When you drafted him I suspected you did so because of his shooting ability, giving you a stretch 4.

[1987_Lakers]

Bumped the realgm thread again a couple of hours ago, got some responses.


I think I'm leaning team 4? Would be insanely fun to watch as well. Generational interior scoring (Kareem) with generational perimeter scoring/gravity (Steph) and 3 elite level shot makers from 2-4 to work off of them (T-Mac/Pierce/Dirk). Solid enough defense as well. And Oscar/Walton off the bench is absurd too.


Teams I like in order:

Team 3
It starts a pair of Defensive GOAT candidates in Hakeem and KG, and then in the backcourt there's a couple sneaky offensive GOAT candidates in West and Nash. And Nash doesn't even start! You can bring his all-time shooting/passing threat off the bench and start a monster defensive backcourt in CP3 and West. I don't love the wings on this team, but Havlicek just sort of running around causing havoc is a big plus.

Team 5
The shooting of Klay, Barry and Bird mixed with the rim pressure of Giannis is pretty fun. Imagine Giannis screening for Bird (or Barry! or Stockton), and then when it isn't Giannis, it's Anthony Davis. If they want to get meaner defensively, they trot out Ewing, AD, and Giannis at the same time since AD and Ewing are solid enough shooters. Russ could actually be pretty terrifying on this team if you're pairing him with a lof that shooting.

Team 1
MJ with 4 guys who thrive off the ball is pretty insane. Imagine toggling the ball between Jokic and MJ while Reggie runs around screens. The defense here isn't quite as absurd as some of these teams, but Robinson/Rodman/MJ makes it still pretty insane.

Team 6
Shaq/KD/Pippen is the sickest overall frontcourt, and they fill out the shooting with Lillard and Harden. Payton and Pippen is a mean point of attack defense.

Teams I don't like in no order:
- Team 8 has a pretty dreadful lack of shooting.
- Team 7 has way too many guys who are best on the ball.
- Team 2 is pretty awkward. Even worse shooting than 8 and way too crowded in the paint.
- Team 4 seems like an outlier poor defensive roster. None of these rosters are bad defensively, but this is the only team that doesn't have multiple all-time defender. The backcourt is bad defensively and then you have Dirk up front next to Kareem.

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2229976

[John8204]

10 Days later and it's all pretty close

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Champ (2)

[Manny98]

You really made a bunch of accounts on Real GM and voted for yourself :roll::facepalm

[John8204]

You really made a bunch of accounts on Real GM and voted for yourself :roll::facepalm


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I would go Team 7 because of Kobe, LeBron and Doncic together. That would be sick.



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Post#23 » by JJ_PR » Mon Oct 10, 2022 11:40 am
I'd have to go with Team 7. LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving & Moses Malone on the same team? Yes please!

No I think it's more along the lines that the clear campaigning from some of you against me (and no other team) didn't work. Because arguing "spacing" with a gold medal and championship winning teams was always dumb.

But it's cool be a bad loser

[1987_Lakers]

No I think it's more along the lines that the clear campaigning from some of you against me (and no other team) didn't work. Because arguing "spacing" with a gold medal and championship winning teams was always dumb.

But it's cool be a bad loser
People who gave detailed responses went with my team. :pimp:

BTW, didn't you call the poll a "joke" because I overwhelmingly won the last poll in our previous draft?

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2207635


I didn't bother to vote but also...meh Jordan fanboys ruining everything is something we all saw coming.

[1987_Lakers]

Teams I like in order:

Team 3
It starts a pair of Defensive GOAT candidates in Hakeem and KG, and then in the backcourt there's a couple sneaky offensive GOAT candidates in West and Nash. And Nash doesn't even start! You can bring his all-time shooting/passing threat off the bench and start a monster defensive backcourt in CP3 and West. I don't love the wings on this team, but Havlicek just sort of running around causing havoc is a big plus.

Team 5
The shooting of Klay, Barry and Bird mixed with the rim pressure of Giannis is pretty fun. Imagine Giannis screening for Bird (or Barry! or Stockton), and then when it isn't Giannis, it's Anthony Davis. If they want to get meaner defensively, they trot out Ewing, AD, and Giannis at the same time since AD and Ewing are solid enough shooters. Russ could actually be pretty terrifying on this team if you're pairing him with a lof that shooting.

Team 1
MJ with 4 guys who thrive off the ball is pretty insane. Imagine toggling the ball between Jokic and MJ while Reggie runs around screens. The defense here isn't quite as absurd as some of these teams, but Robinson/Rodman/MJ makes it still pretty insane.

Team 6
Shaq/KD/Pippen is the sickest overall frontcourt, and they fill out the shooting with Lillard and Harden. Payton and Pippen is a mean point of attack defense.

Teams I don't like in no order:
- Team 8 has a pretty dreadful lack of shooting.
- Team 7 has way too many guys who are best on the ball.
- Team 2 is pretty awkward. Even worse shooting than 8 and way too crowded in the paint.
- Team 4 seems like an outlier poor defensive roster. None of these rosters are bad defensively, but this is the only team that doesn't have multiple all-time defender. The backcourt is bad defensively and then you have Dirk up front next to Kareem.


A lot depends on ruleset and format. Also whether we're considering player peaks, average primes, total career, etc


Team 3
C - Hakeem - Unseld
F - KG - Pettit
F - Havlicek - Baylor
G - West - Greer
G - CP3 - Nash
Absolutely love this starting lineup. Thin on volume 3pt shooting (tho I think West could thrive there) but clearly the most completely proficient starting 5 in terms of defense and playmaking. All 5 starters are consensus ATG defenders for their position with two of the GOAT help defenders up front, 1-4 are ATG playmakers for their position plus Hakeem who's more than competent with proper spacing, both West and Hakeem are proven ATG playoff-resilient shot-makers, and all 5 individuals just project to fit tremendously well together. I'm not thrilled that the team appears disproportionately heavy on pre-80s players (5/10 vs as little as 3/10 for some other teams) in what I presume would be a modern setting, and I kinda hate the bench where defense and height (particularly in the backcourt) would be notable concerns. Nash would have to be used very strategically (e.g. zero mins without West or Havlicek at SG and one of Hakeem/KG at C), in fact I might even consider starting or subbing him in early for CP3. And as crazy as it is to say about a team which features Hakeem Olajuwon, vertical rim-protection might be an issue against some of these other fantasy teams when Hakeem is either off the floor or switched out to the perimeter. I'd love to tinker with a bit of "addition by subtraction" in replacing some of the bench's HOF name recognition for less heralded but better fitting modern players, but nonetheless a ridiculously formidable team


Team 5
C - AD - Ewing
F - Giannis - Hayes
F - Bird - Barry
G - Klay - Sharman
G - Stockton - Westbrook
Arguably the most dominant interior defensive core, with a defensively sound starting backcourt to compliment. You have volume rim-attackers balanced by good to great perimeter shooting relative to other teams here, a strong playmaking mix of Stockton's "systematic" with Bird's "intuitive" in the halfcourt along with "explosive" fullcourt playmaking from Giannis and Westbrook. Most identifiable (relative) weakness would be lack of ATG go-to onball perimeter scorer if/when things get bogged down inside (for as great of a shooter as Bird was, he was generally most effective as a scorer and playmaker when operating closer to the basket). I don't really have much eye-test to go off of but perhaps Rick Barry could help here? You'd also have to figure out how to keep Westbrook on a reasonable leash if you intend to play him much more than 15-20 mpg, which I think you might need to with 6'1" SG Bill Sharman being the other reserve guard


Team 4
C - Kareem - Walton
F - Dirk - Lucas
F - Pierce - Worthy
G - McGrady - Bing
G - Curry - Oscar
Clearly the most compelling offensive roster here imo (especially if we're using peaks), and that alone warrants some consideration. They're just lethal in literally every inch of the halfcourt, adept ball-handlers and passers everywhere, efficient shooting and creation everywhere, potent onball and offball weapons everywhere, very minimal redundancy if any. I mean you have GOAT level interior scoring balanced by GOAT level perimeter scoring with GOAT level midrange scoring in between. While short on elite defensive talent from 1-4, they're actually loaded with height which could as a team help to somewhat mitigate the lack of individual defensive stoppers. The defensive fundamentals are mostly solid and BBIQ is great, then you have brilliant rim-protectors in Kareem and Walton to anchor it all. So there's potential for a team defensive whole being greater than the sum of its parts

Overall I rank these 3 in this above listed order in terms of who I think would most often do the most playoff/tournament winning against all 7 opponents, but Team 4 just might have the highest ceiling if they can synergize on the defensive end

:pimp:

[John8204]

People who gave detailed descriptions went with my team. :pimp:

BTW, didn't you call the poll a "joke" because I overwhelmingly won the last poll in our previous draft?

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2207635

You literally quoted me...are you trying to say Jordan fans aren't toxic? On one hand we have accusations that I made a bunch of fake accounts (which I guess I did years ago) and on the other hand Jordan fans are toxic. Gee I wonder which one is more based on reality.

I don't know if I'm going to do this again, I was the only person that had my team campaigned against. Frankly I don't buy what you guys were selling my guys can shoot from all over the court.

[1987_Lakers]

You literally quoted me...are you trying to say Jordan fans aren't toxic? On one hand we have accusations that I made a bunch of fake accounts (which I guess I did years ago) and on the other hand Jordan fans are toxic. Gee I wonder which one is more based on reality.

I don't know if I'm going to do this again, I was the only person that had my team campaigned against. Frankly I don't buy what you guys were selling my guys can shoot from all over the court.
No they can't. You have terrible spacing.

[Manny98]

No I think it's more along the lines that the clear campaigning from some of you against me (and no other team) didn't work. Because arguing "spacing" with a gold medal and championship winning teams was always dumb.

But it's cool be a bad loser
Yh your team just happened to go from absolute last in votes to now leading in the span of a day.

Literally everyone would agree that your team is the worst because of awful spacing yet somehow you won the poll

At least try and make it not so obvious :oldlol:

[John8204]

Yh your team just happened to go from absolute last in votes to now leading in the span of a day.

Literally everyone would agree that your team is the worst because of awful spacing yet somehow you won the poll

At least try and make it not so obvious :oldlol:

1. Maravich, Arizin, Moses, Lebron, Dr. J, Luka and Kobe all shoot at different parts of the court. Kobe and Lebron are well known for adjusting their games for new and different styles of play. And they won a gold medal together. What you are trying to say is my team doesn't have three point shooters. I think Maravich and Luka can shoot threes pretty well especially when Luka's not the guy teams are planning on guarding first.

2. I don't know when the votes came in but I see posts from last two weeks picking my team. Which makes you a liar...and if one person is lying when it comes to this game I don't know how many other ones of you are lying as well. My team seems to be the only team that you people have issues with and yet on another forum it's winning

[Hakeem Olajuwon]

I think we are all winners :lol :cheers:


Who is now up for the 2022 NBA Draft?

One rule though: no real teammates allowed. 10 players, 10 different teams.

[John8204]

So uh...Luka can't shoot and space out on the court huh boy those takes sure did age...like milk

[Manny98]

So uh...Luka can't shoot and space out on the court huh boy those takes sure did age...like milk
Most of Lukas 3s are off the dribble, he's not a guy that you run plays off of and them him wide open in the corner for a 3 like a Klay, Reggie, Ray Allen

He's the most ball dominant player in the entire NBA and putting him on a team with LeBron who also loves the ball in his hands and Erving and Malone who cannot shoot at the 4/5 is a terrible fit