Destroying 3ball's argument that Lebron is not a great scorer.

[coastalmarker99]

20-point games in the playoffs

Lebron 237

Kobe 167



30 point games in the playoffs

Lebron 118

Kobe 88


40 points games in the playoffs

Lebron 28

Kobe 13



45 point games in the playoffs

Lebron 11

Kobe 5



50 point games in the playoffs

Lebron 1

Kobe 1




30 point games in the NBA finals


Lebron 22

Kobe 13




40 point games in the NBA finals

Lebron 8

Kobe 1




50 point games in the NBA finals

Lebron 1

Kobe 0


Most 40 point playoff games in a single playoff run.

Lebron 8

Kobe 4



PPG in game sevens

Lebron 35 PPG

Kobe 22.8



PPG in elimination games

Lebron 33.5 PPG

Kobe 25 PPG





Best Playoffs PPG (no game minimum)

Lebron 35.3 PPG 2009 playoffs.

Kobe 32.8 PPG 2007 playoffs.









All-time Playoff PPG average

Lebron 28.7

Kobe 25.6


All-time Playoff FG%

Lebron 49.5 %

Kobe 44.8%


All-time Playoff TS%

Lebron 58.3%

Kobe 54.1%




Lebron has the most game-winners in playoff history with 6

Kobe for example has only 1 game-winner in the playoffs.

[TheMan]

No serious NBA fan thinks LeBron isn't a great scorer. The greatest as Goatits and others are trying to convince us? No, but he's certainly one of the best. Only haters would argue otherwise.

[1987_Lakers]

Most 40 point playoff games in a single playoff run.

Lebron 8

Kobe 4



PPG in game sevens

Lebron 35 PPG

Kobe 22.8



PPG in elimination games

Lebron 33.5 PPG

Kobe 25 PPG


All-time Playoff PPG average

Lebron 28.7

Kobe 25.6


All-time Playoff FG%

Lebron 49.5 %

Kobe 44.8%


All-time Playoff TS%

Lebron 58.3%

Kobe 54.1%
https://media2.giphy.com/media/BFYLNwlsSNtcc/giphy.gif?cid=790b761156c6ef647e1f7956e7395bc71423 e01d4240b791&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[1987_Lakers]

No serious NBA fan thinks LeBron isn't a great scorer. The greatest as Goatits and others are trying to convince us? No, but he's certainly one of the best. Only haters would argue otherwise.

So you agree 3ball is a hater.

[coastalmarker99]

This point 3ball made was so dumb that I have to refute it.

) Great scorers require a jumper that routinely pops off, which forces opponents to consider double-teaming to get the ball out of their hands (commanding doubles).. aka great scorers must have their scoring be devastating enough to make opponents willing to compromise their defense by double-teaming (gambling).


This idiot does not understand that teams don't double-team Lebron because he is one of the Goat playmakers and will utterly destroy you if you decide to employ that strategy on him.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAQVnPRolsk

[Axe]

Damn, even op knows 3ball is actually a closet kobe stan. Unlike the latter's crazy ass disciples.

[Full Court]

20-point games in the playoffs

Lebron 237

Kobe 167



30 point games in the playoffs

Lebron 118

Kobe 88


40 points games in the playoffs

Lebron 28

Kobe 13



45 point games in the playoffs

Lebron 11

Kobe 5



50 point games in the playoffs

Lebron 1

Kobe 1




30 point games in the NBA finals


Lebron 22

Kobe 13




40 point games in the NBA finals

Lebron 8

Kobe 1




50 point games in the NBA finals

Lebron 1

Kobe 0


Most 40 point playoff games in a single playoff run.

Lebron 8

Kobe 4



PPG in game sevens

Lebron 35 PPG

Kobe 22.8



PPG in elimination games

Lebron 33.5 PPG

Kobe 25 PPG





Best Playoffs PPG (no game minimum)

Lebron 35.3 PPG 2009 playoffs.

Kobe 32.8 PPG 2007 playoffs.









All-time Playoff PPG average

Lebron 28.7

Kobe 25.6


All-time Playoff FG%

Lebron 49.5 %

Kobe 44.8%


All-time Playoff TS%

Lebron 58.3%

Kobe 54.1%




Lebron has the most game-winners in playoff history with 6

Kobe for example has only 1 game-winner in the playoffs.

So I consider Lebron a great scorer (despite his numerous shortcomings), but why would you try to prove it by comparing him only to Kobe?

[Hey Yo]

So I consider Lebron a great scorer (despite his numerous shortcomings), but why would you try to prove it by comparing him only to Kobe?

Kobe is 3tards favorite player and thinks he was better than James.

[TheMan]

So you agree 3ball is a hater.

Yeah, I've said it before, I don't agree with a lot his stuff. Goatits has the same shtick, but for the Bran Fam.

[1987_Lakers]

So I consider Lebron a great scorer (despite his numerous shortcomings), but why would you try to prove it by comparing him only to Kobe?

Because 3ball has said Kobe is a better, a guy you said is the smartest poster on ISH. :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

You should do this for everyone else in his top 10 :lol See his house of cards come crumbling down.

[LeGoat4Life]

So basically you just proved that Lebron is a stats paddlers

Majority of the points comes from 1-3 quarters when game is still chilling

When games get tight in the 4th quarter, Lebron is no where to be found. Too busy passing to his teammates to bail him out :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Even 3ball doesn’t believe LeBron isn’t a great scorer.

[1987_Lakers]

So basically you just proved that Lebron is a stats paddlers

Majority of the points comes from 1-3 quarters when game is still chilling

When games get tight in the 4th quarter, Lebron is no where to be found. Too busy passing to his teammates to bail him out :oldlol:

Didn't LeBron score like 16 points or something the 4th quarter vs the Spurs in 2013 in game 6 with their season on the line?

[SouBeachTalents]

Didn't LeBron score like 16 points or something the 4th quarter vs the Spurs in 2013 in game 6 with their season on the line?
He also scored 11 of the Cavs 18 4th quarter points in Game 7 in 2016.

[RRR3]

Didn't LeBron score like 16 points or something the 4th quarter vs the Spurs in 2013 in game 6 with their season on the line?
Why would you even respond to an obvious alt that’s too afraid to post on main?

[Overdrive]

This point 3ball made was so dumb that I have to refute it.


Just as dumb as saying the 76ers would have been the best team of the 60s if they won one more chip.

Stans are retarded no matter if Lebron, Wilt, Jordan, Kobe or whoever. Aside from that 3ball got destroyed in his own thread anyway.

[SATAN]

3ball hasn't watched bball since Kobe (maximum ball hog) retired.

[Full Court]

Because 3ball has said Kobe is a better, a guy you said is the smartest poster on ISH. :lol

There are a few things I disagree with 3ball on, but he's definitely one of the smartest posters on ISH. Personally, I have Lebron just slightly ahead of Kobe, but you can make an intelligent argument for Kobe.

[LAL]

Great stats Coastalmarket. But 3ball is right, even lebron knows he's not a great scorer, a good but flawed scorer with plenty of opportunities for him to pick and choose thanks to his lebron system and size.

[LAL]

And stop comparing him to KOBE when we're discussing lebron's scoring, that's embarrassing :oldlol: Westbrook is a better all round player than Lebron judging by stats. Idiots.

[Hey Yo]

And stop comparing him to KOBE when we're discussing lebron's scoring, that's embarrassing :oldlol: Westbrook is a better all round player than Lebron judging by stats. Idiots.

Go watch some more women's Soccer

[StrongLurk]

And stop comparing him to KOBE when we're discussing lebron's scoring, that's embarrassing :oldlol: Westbrook is a better all round player than Lebron judging by stats. Idiots.

This post is a good example of being confidently stupid.

[SATAN]

And stop comparing him to KOBE when we're discussing lebron's scoring, that's embarrassing :oldlol: Westbrook is a better all round player than Lebron judging by stats. Idiots.

:facepalm

[Full Court]

This post is a good example of being confidently stupid.

Who has the most triple doubles of all time? :confusedshrug:

[RogueBorg]

Who has the most triple doubles of all time? :confusedshrug:

Lebronnies think overall stats are the end all be all of greatness until you add Russell Westbrook to the discussion. You're expecting too much if you think they'll understand this.

[red1]

6 rings is the new "5 rings"

lebron was the best player in 8 nba finals - 7 NBA finals in a row.(2012-2018)




that's unreal.

[Shooter]

Didn't LeBron score like 16 points or something the 4th quarter vs the Spurs in 2013 in game 6 with their season on the line?

And who could forget game 7?

37 on these Spurs bois heads :lol BANG!!

[Johnny32]

imagine if everyone on this board created a topic every time they destroyed a 3tard thread/argument. op must be really special.

[red1]

And stop comparing him to KOBE when we're discussing lebron's scoring, that's embarrassing :oldlol: Westbrook is a better all round player than Lebron judging by stats. Idiots.

kobe shoots 6-24 in game 7 of the nba finals

so he averages 25% shooting


lebron has only played in 2 nba finals games and they are two of the best games played of all-time - GOAT game-7 performer.



2-0 in NBA finals game 7s and scalped two certified dynasties in the NBA finals in the spurs and warriors


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-16-2016/ZWNKnj.gif
https://cdn1.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1673447/lebronclutch.gif

[Full Court]

Lebronnies think overall stats are the end all be all of greatness until you add Russell Westbrook to the discussion. You're expecting too much if you think they'll understand this.

Oh, I know. Or bring Wilt into a discussion with Bronies and see what happens. :lol

[Full Court]

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.sbnation.com%2Fassets%2F258 8879%2Flebronchokes_medium.gif&f=1&nofb=1

[3ba11]

No serious NBA fan thinks LeBron isn't a great scorer. The greatest as Goatits and others are trying to convince us? No, but he's certainly one of the best. Only haters would argue otherwise.


He can't score high amounts in a good brand of ball and his scoring ability isn't good enough to be coachable.

If the only way you can score isn't fundamentally-sound and can't win on the championship level (lottery record in the Finals), then you aren't a great scorer

Otoh, guys that can score a lot with a good brand of ball (good Finals record) are great scorers - expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ, Kobe and Kawhi fit this bill.

Tbh, if you aren't an expert jumpshooter then you aren't a great scorer

[RRR3]

He can't score high amounts in a good brand of ball

If the only way you can score isn't fundamentally-sound and can't win on the championship level (lottery record in the Finals), then you aren't a great scorer

Otoh, guys that can score a lot with a good brand of ball that can win on the championship level (good Finals record) are great scorers - expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ, Kobe and Kawhi fit this bill.

Tbh, if you aren't an expert jumpshooter then you aren't a great scorer
Shaq wasn't a great scorer, so true.

[3ba11]

Shaq wasn't a great scorer, so true.


Indeed

The sign of a garbage scorer is them needing all-time scoring help because their own scoring style or brand of ball is suboptimal

Shaq wasn't a great scorer because his brand of ball was predictable and exploitable just like Lebron's - so they need goat scoring help because their own scoring style is suboptimal

Shaq, Magic and Lebron's plodding ball-dominance needed goat scoring help like Kareem, Wade, AD, Kyrie (or peak Kobe/Wade/Penny for Shaq)

[RRR3]

Indeed

The sign of a garbage scorer is them needing all-time scoring help because their own scoring style or brand of ball is suboptimal

Shaq wasn't a great scorer because his brand of ball was predictable and exploitable just like Lebron's - so they need goat scoring help because their own scoring style is suboptimal
Shaq sure needed Kobe's "GOAT scoring help" in the 2000 finals when he put up a blistering 15.6 PPG on 41.6 TS%.

[3ba11]

Shaq sure needed Kobe's "GOAT scoring help" in the 2000 finals when he put up a blistering 15.6 PPG on 41.6 TS%.


The exception that proves the rule

You're showing that Shaq basically COULDN'T do it

And everyone carries the scoring load against weak teams like the 00's East teams.. Shaq couldn't carry the scoring load against real teams like the "real" Finals (2000 WCF vs Blazers).. Kobe was MVP of that series as a near-equal scoring partner while making all the clutch plays - he led those entire playoffs in clutch points, while Shaq was a role player in the clutch.

Again, the plodding ball-dominance of Shaq, Magic and Lebron (weak scoring style and brand of ball) needs goat scoring help like Kareem, Wade, AD, Kyrie (or peak Kobe/Wade/Penny for Shaq)

[SouBeachTalents]

Demar DeRozan > LeBron, Kareem & Shaq as scorers.

3ball making great points as always :applause:

[3ba11]

Demar DeRozan > LeBron, Kareem & Shaq as scorers.

3ball making great points as always :applause:


DeMar dominates the ball too and isn't as good or talented

He's a lesser talent and not relevant to the discussion

Again, plodding ball-dominators like Shaq, Lebron and Magic aren't truly great scorers because their shit brand of ball and scoring style needs goat scoring help like Kareem, Wade and Kobe

If they were great scorers then they wouldn't need great scoring help and could win with secondary producers like Wiggins, Lowry, Pau or Pippen.. But that requires goat scoring ability, aka expert jumpshooting like Curry, MJ, Kawhi or Kobe

[3ba11]

DeMar dominates the ball too and isn't as good or talented

He's a lesser talent and not relevant to the discussion

Again, plodding ball-dominators like Shaq, Lebron and Magic aren't truly great scorers because their shit brand of ball and scoring style needs goat scoring help like Kareem, Kobe and Wade.

If they were great scorers then they wouldn't need great scoring help and could win with secondary producers like Wiggins, Lowry, Pau or Pippen.. But that requires truly great scoring ability, aka expert jumpshooting like Curry, MJ, Kawhi or Kobe


No one

[SouBeachTalents]

Jerry West was one of the greatest shooters ever, and he has the worst Finals record imaginable. Bill Russell couldn’t shoot jumpers, and he won 11 titles.

Maybe, just maybe, you can’t analyze basketball on such elementary terms like you try too, that basketball’s more nuanced than that. Hell, the fact you have Giannis top 10 with such a broken jumper completely invalidates your own argument :lol

[RRR3]

Saying DeRozan dominates the ball and Kobe didn't is one of the most insane things I've ever read.

[3ba11]

Jerry West was one of the greatest shooters ever, and he has the worst Finals record imaginable. Bill Russell couldn’t shoot jumpers, and he won 11 titles.

Maybe, just maybe, you can’t analyze basketball on such elementary terms like you try too, that basketball’s more nuanced than that. Hell, the fact you have Giannis top 10 with such a broken jumper completely invalidates your own argument :lol




The best scorers didn't need a lot of scoring help to win

Russell needed a ton of scoring help, so I don't know why you would bring him up - he makes my point about weak scorers needing tons of scoring help

Lebron, Magic and Shaq also make my point because their plodding, ball-dominance needs goat scoring help like Kareem, Kobe and Wade

Only expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ, Kobe and Kawhi won with garbage scoring help like Lowry, Wiggins or Pippen, so they're truly great scorers

[RRR3]

Shaq won with Kobe putting up the worst sidekick performance in history.

[3ba11]

Shaq won with Kobe putting up the worst sidekick performance in history.


Exactly - there's only 1 exception to what I said

So again, plodding ball-dominators like Shaq, Lebron and Magic aren't truly great scorers because their shit brand of ball and scoring style needs goat scoring help like Kareem, Kobe and Wade.

If they were great scorers then they wouldn't need great scoring help and could win with secondary producers like Wiggins, Lowry, Pau or Pippen.. But that requires truly great scoring ability, aka expert jumpshooting like Curry, MJ, Kawhi or Kobe

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


Truly great scorers don't need great scoring help

So if a player needed a lot of scoring help to win most of their rings as 1st option, then they aren't a great scorer

[3ba11]

Saying DeRozan dominates the ball and Kobe didn't is one of the most insane things I've ever read.


Despite some ball-dominance, Kobe averaged 30 and won titles as a perimeter player in the triangle, so he literally had goat ability to score without ball-dominance.... because that's what the triangle requires

[red1]

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Thread Cliffs


Truly great scorers don't need great scoring help

So if a player needed a lot of scoring help to win most of their rings as 1st option, then they aren't a great scorer

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html


jordan's team won 55-games and went to game 7 of the eastern conference semis without him




thats A LOT OF HELP :roll:

[red1]

and he had all of that help against grocery bagging competition


https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg

[3ba11]

and he had all of that help against grocery bagging competition


https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg


Heading into the 2015 season, Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars yet

Since the Warriors were newbies that could barely beat an injured Cavs team, they would stand no chance against Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers or Duncan/Popovich/Robinson - these teams were demolished by the 98' Jazz

[red1]

Heading into the 2015 season, Klay/Dray hadn't been all-stars yet

Since the Warriors were newbies that could barely beat an injured Cavs team, they would stand no chance against Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers or Duncan/Popovich/Robinson - these teams were demolished by the 98' Jazz

whats your point?

you're always saying jordan was a 1 man team and that his team wasn't great.



thats factually false. easily proven that jordan was on an absolutely stacked team. 55-wins and game 7 ECSF is NO joke!!!

[1987_Lakers]

Seriously, who the Fvck cares if they weren't all stars oin 2014. In 2015 they broke out as players. You are basically saying the 2014 Warriors = 2015 Warriors

[red1]

you look like the mentally retarded babbling fool that you are when the simple numbers are shown :oldlol:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html




jordan nowhere in sight :roll:

[red1]

Seriously, who the Fvck cares if they weren't all stars oin 2014. In 2015 they broke out as players. You are basically saying the 2014 Warriors = 2015 Warriors

kobe and lebron never had a single team that was so stacked that they would win 55 games and go game 7 of the semis without them :roll:



jordan played on an absolutely stacked team against dogshit competition.

[3ba11]

You are basically saying the 2014 Warriors = 2015 Warriors






I'm saying that:

since the 15' Warriors were obviously newbies that could barely beat an injured Cavs team, they would stand no chance against Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers or Duncan/Popovich/Robinson - these teams were demolished by the 98' Jazz and their 10-year organic juggernaut

And why didn't the Jazz make more Finals? It's because everyone else was a 10-year organic juggernaut too!!! (goat parity)

[RRR3]

Exactly - there's only 1 exception to what I said

So again, plodding ball-dominators like Shaq, Lebron and Magic aren't truly great scorers because their shit brand of ball and scoring style needs goat scoring help like Kareem, Kobe and Wade.

If they were great scorers then they wouldn't need great scoring help and could win with secondary producers like Wiggins, Lowry, Pau or Pippen.. But that requires truly great scoring ability, aka expert jumpshooting like Curry, MJ, Kawhi or Kobe
If there's an exception that is proved so resoundingly your theory is retarded. LeBron also won with Wade averaging 16 PPG on awful efficiency in the playoffs so there's 2 examples (inb4 goalpost moving and sobbing)

[red1]

If there's an exception that is proved so resoundingly your theory is retarded. LeBron also won with Wade averaging 16 PPG on awful efficiency in the playoffs so there's 2 examples (inb4 goalpost moving and sobbing)

dude 3ball is mentally retarded (he's literallly mentally retarded and insane, these are not insults. this is a fair description of him. look at his posting style with the way he spams the same things every day for years and how he wastes his life).


he used to spam that lebron would never win a legit ring. that it was impossible. "too ball-dominant. lebron ball."



lebron has 4 rings and 4 finals MVPs.




and now he is still spamming the same B.S.



and just shifting goalposts and arguments.





he's insane.

[RRR3]

dude 3ball is mentally retarded (he's literallly mentally retarded and insane, these are not insults. this is a fair description of him. look at his posting style with the way he spams the same things every day for years and how he wastes his life).


he used to spam that lebron would never win a legit ring. that it was impossible. "too ball-dominant. lebron ball."



lebron has 4 rings and 4 finals MVPs.




and now he is still spamming the same B.S.



and just shifting goalposts and arguments.





he's insane.
Yeah but it's nice of the senior center he's at to let him make friends on the internet. People at his advanced age still need socialization.

[3ba11]

If there's an exception that is proved so resoundingly your theory is retarded. LeBron also won with Wade averaging 16 PPG on awful efficiency in the playoffs so there's 2 examples (inb4 goalpost moving and sobbing)


Those are singular exceptions against weak Eastern opposition

If that's all you have, then I'm right

Plodding ball-dominators like Lebron, Magic and Shaq can't carry the scoring load against top teams and the proof is that they didn't for 99% of their careers or 100%.. The 2013 East cannot be considered good opposition

[red1]

Yeah but it's nice of the senior center he's at to let him make friends on the internet. People at his advanced age still need socialization.

yeah he used to be fun to go back and forth with years ago, but now he's just boring after all of his theories have already been proven wrong and he still keeps spamming them.


2016 and 2020 runs were hilarious. lebron at 35 led the league in assists and won the finals MVP resorting the trolls to "buh buh AD" :roll:


we dont need to say anything about 2016. led both teams in scoring.


suck it bitches :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Those are singular exceptions against weak Eastern opposition

If that's all you have, then I'm right

Plodding ball-dominators like Lebron, Magic and Shaq can't carry the scoring load and the proof is that they didn't for 99% of their career

Vs the same Pacers team you said was as good as the 90s Knicks back in 2013.

[3ba11]

Vs the same Pacers team you said was as good as the 90s Knicks back in 2013.


The 00' Pacers were good but the 13' East was not

And the 00' Pacers < 00' Blazers, where Shaq needed Kobe to be a near-equal scoring partner

[3ba11]

Jordan averaged 10 more than Pippen in every series except 2 (4 and 8 more)

So it's super-easy to find examples of great scorers carrying the scoring load while winning Finals or beating top teams, but impossible for weaker scorers like Lebron or Shaq (whose inferior brand of ball required more scoring help)

Again, only expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ, or Kobe have tons and tons of examples of them carrying scoring load against top teams or Finals teams... Since they maintain great brand of ball at high scoring levels, they can beat top teams in carry-job fashion and win with secondary scorers like Wiggins or Pippen.

[1987_Lakers]

The 00' Pacers were good but the 13' East was not

And the 00' Pacers < 00' Blazers, where Shaq needed Kobe to be a near-equal scoring partner

You said '13 Pacers = 90's Knicks, which prompted you to saying peak MJ = peak LeBron.

[3ba11]

You said '13 Pacers = 90's Knicks, which prompted you to saying peak MJ = peak LeBron.


Never said any of that because it's obviously absurd and only something a younger person would say that never saw 90's basketball

On what planet is Hibbert on Ewing's level - that exact thread had me comparing Jordan's 96' Eastern comp of Ewing's Knicks, Alonzo/Tim Hardaway and Shaq/Penny as far superior comp to Lebron's 2013 comp of Nate Robinson's Knicks, Boozer's Bulls and Hibbert Pacers.. They deleted this post and replaced it with the garbage you cited

[RRR3]

:mad:
:lol

[1987_Lakers]

Never said any of that because it's obviously absurd and only something a younger person would say that never saw 90's basketball

On what planet is Hibbert on Ewing's level - that exact thread had me comparing Jordan's 96' Eastern comp of Ewing's Knicks, Alonzo/Tim Hardaway and Shaq/Penny as far superior comp to Lebron's 2013 comp of Nate Robinson's Knicks, Boozer's Bulls and Hibbert Pacers.. They deleted this post and replaced it with the garbage you cited

You said it. Now stop crying.

[3ba11]

:lol


It's funny because I'm remembering how that thread was going before I got banned

I was comparing the Eastern opponents of 96' Jordan and 13' Lebron... So the first round was Ewing's Knicks vs Nate Robinson's Knicks.... The 2nd Round was Alonzo/Tim Hardaway vs Boozer's Bulls... Then Shaq/Penny vs Hibbert/George

They changed this post into the fabricated crap you see now.

[RRR3]

:mad:
:yaohappy:

[red1]

Pat Riley calls lebron the B.O.A.T. (best player of all time)


https://heatnation.com/media/pat-riley-lebron-james-ultimate-compliment-wake-nba-finals-clash/
https://www.complex.com/sports/2012/12/lebron-james-was-given-the-nickname-boat-by-pat-riley

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs


A player cannot be a great scorer if they needed great scoring help for most of their rings as 1st option

aka the best scorers can defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)

[RRR3]

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Thread Cliffs


A player cannot be a great scorer if they needed great scoring help for most of their rings as 1st option

aka the best scorers can defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals)
Better stop calling Durant a great scorer than.

[3ba11]

Better stop calling Durant a great scorer than.


Jordan averaged 10 more than Pippen in every series except 2 (4 and 8 more)

So it's super-easy to find examples of great scorers carrying the scoring load while winning Finals or beating top teams, but impossible for weaker scorers like Lebron or Shaq (whose inferior brand of ball required more scoring help)

Again, only expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ, or Kobe have tons and tons of examples of them carrying scoring load against top teams or Finals teams... Since they maintain great brand of ball at high scoring levels, they can beat top teams in carry-job fashion and win with secondary scorers like Wiggins or Pippen.

[red1]

Jordan averaged 10 more than Pippen in every series except 2 (4 and 8 more)

So it's super-easy to find examples of great scorers carrying the scoring load while winning Finals or beating top teams, but impossible for weaker scorers like Lebron or Shaq (whose inferior brand of ball required more scoring help)

Again, only expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ, or Kobe have tons and tons of examples of them carrying scoring load against top teams or Finals teams... Since they maintain great brand of ball at high scoring levels, they can beat top teams in carry-job fashion and win with secondary scorers like Wiggins or Pippen.

weaker competition.


iguodala is an elite defender. name one defender in the finals that is comparable to iggy and kawhi that jordan went up against.

[3ba11]

weaker competition.


iguodala is an elite defender. name one defender in the finals that is comparable to iggy and kawhi that jordan went up against.


Despite less defensive help, Drexler led the Blazers to superior defenses than Pippen and the Bulls

So Drexler was a great defender that simply never got credit like Pippen did because he never played with Jordan... Ditto Jerome Kersey and Cliff Robinson (Robinson actually did make all-defense).

So guys like Drexler, Kersey, Robinson and Payton were comparable to Iggy..

Iggy was actually old and past his prime when he faced Lebron - Lebron shot poorly against EVERYONE in those playoffs because he couldn't handle the extra jumpshooting volume required of carry-job volume - he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn regardless of who was guarding him because the higher volume was forcing him to shoot more jumpers (which he sucks at)..

Kerr was lauging at Lebron - "we don't need to double-team that bricklayer.. leave him on an island with Iggy at 39% a pop".... lol.. that's literally what happened.. the man never commanded a double-team in his life.. his scoring isn't lethal enough for defenses to gamble by doubling him

[Sulico]

OP, you are a good poster who thinks, responds to reason, uses logic and full spectre of stats to make your point.

3ball is polar opposite of that in every way.

Why the hell would you want to engage him in discussion? Thats the most useless waste of your energy.