The US blew up Russia's pipeline.

[Rolando]

This could go down as a very significant event.

The idea that Russia could supply natural gas to the Europeans was simply too dangerous to let come to pass. It would allow Russia to profit and grow in strength. The US simply can't let that happen. The US provoked Russia into invading Ukraine so that sanctions could be imposed. The US pumped a total of 54 billion dollars into Ukraine to keep the conflict going. And now this. The US is playing a very dangerous game.

Meanwhile Russia is growing its military and soon will begin phase 2 in Ukraine. Buckle up fellas.

[Overdrive]

Putin never led a war before 2022. Oh wait. Did the US also pump 54 billions into Chechnia or Georgia? Putin is an imperialistic idiot, who threatened western Europe as soon as he came to power. But sure it's all about the US.

[BurningHammer]

Meanwhile Russia is growing its military
By conscripting old men and send them to Ukraine with next to zero training and zero supply? :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Russia is losing this war. Watch the news.

[Off the Court]

US suggests Russia could be behind Nord Stream gas leaks (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63084613)


US Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm told the BBC an investigation was being carried out into the cause of what she called "an act of sabotage", adding "it is highly unlikely that these incidents are coincidence"

[Jasper]

This could go down as a very significant event.

The idea that Russia could supply natural gas to the Europeans was simply too dangerous to let come to pass. It would allow Russia to profit and grow in strength. The US simply can't let that happen. The US provoked Russia into invading Ukraine so that sanctions could be imposed. The US pumped a total of 54 billion dollars into Ukraine to keep the conflict going. And now this. The US is playing a very dangerous game.

Meanwhile Russia is growing its military and soon will begin phase 2 in Ukraine. Buckle up fellas.

yesterday someone knocked on the door in military gear , and was speaking weird / what was that ??
Dam they are hear already

bluh bluh bluh bluh bluh

[Jasper]

yesterday I thought I saw a meteor / but found out they nuc'ed Florida but made it look like a hurricane

:lebronamazed:

[Patrick Chewing]

Jasper, are you drunk?

[Rolando]

The US and the mainstream media are going to try to convince the public that Russia blew up its own pipeline. I simply cannot imagine them doing that after all the time and money they invested in it. It is also their main leverage for getting Europe to quit supporting the Ukrainians.

Nope, the US has taken that leverage away from the Russians. Not only that, now US companies can sell as much natural gas to Europe as they want.

The US benefits the most: They did this.

Europeans lose. Russians lose. Of course the Ukrainians are given their lives for this as well.

[Overdrive]

The US and the mainstream media are going to try to convince the public that Russia blew up its own pipeline. I simply cannot imagine them doing that after all the time and money they invested in it. It is also their main leverage for getting Europe to quit supporting the Ukrainians.

Nope, the US has taken that leverage away from the Russians. Not only that, now US companies can sell as much natural gas to Europe as they want.

The US benefits the most: They did this.

Europeans lose. Russians lose. Of course the Ukrainians are given their lives for this as well.

Their main leverage is their nuclear arsenal. If they didn't have that Putin would be dead already. Most countries get their gas supply by Norway. Germany and Austria are the country most on Russian gas and they imposed sanctions pretty early this year.

[ZenMaster]

Kind of a funny thread for such a serious subject.

You have Overdrive immediately trying to change the subject, OTC bringing the propaganda and Jasper drunk of his ass trying to use sarcasm to show how obvious it is that Putin blew up his pipeline :oldlol:

Biden said he would end this pipeline and now here we are just before winter, without even an option for Germany to get their energy prices down, no matter how much the people there would want it.

Here's a video from Germany on Monday, a day before the option of turning back the pipeline was removed.


https://youtu.be/39SlTQoJ4QE

[Overdrive]

I didn't change the subject. Rhere are two swperate claims in the OP. There's no evidence yet, but OP is absolutely sure the US did blow up NS. He also said the US baited Putin into the war. Maybe you should read the whole OP first.

Gas isn't Putin's biggest leverage.
Putin led war against other nations and soviet republics before.

Your evidence is a video of german conspiracy fueled people protesting?

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.ibb.co/0n8KBM4/Fd1b-Bh2-WIAEjrvo.png

[ZenMaster]

I didn't change the subject. Rhere are two swperate claims in the OP. There's no evidence yet, but OP is absolutely sure the US did blow up NS. He also said the US baited Putin into the war. Maybe you should read the whole OP first.

Gas isn't Putin's biggest leverage.
Putin led war against other nations and soviet republics before.

Your evidence is a video of german conspiracy fueled people protesting?

Your post was exactly about changing the thread from being about the US having done something fkucked up to being about Russia.
And this is not a court of law, but a discussion board.
Is it your "evidence" that the US did not force Russia, because Russia has been to war before?

Anyways, here's Joe Biden saying that the pipeline will be shut down and being pretty quite coy as for how that would happen:


https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8

He's been serious about all other things he said they would do against Russia, why should I think differently about this?
Or you're saying that Putin might have done Biden's bidding for him and blown it up himself?
Gas isn't Putin's biggest leverage, but what does that have to do with incentive for him to blow up his own expensive pipeline?

[Off the Court]

The fact that Biden said that makes me think that it is possible Russia did it. Biden told the whole world he would do it, he warned everyone. So then why would he deny it after? Makes no sense to me.

If Biden had not said that I would be more inclined to believe the US did this. And to be clear, I do think it is very possible the US did this, but I also think it is possible that they did not.

[Overdrive]

Your post was exactly about changing the thread from being about the US having done something fkucked up to being about Russia.
And this is not a court of law, but a discussion board.
Is it your "evidence" that the US did not force Russia, because Russia has been to war before?

Anyways, here's Joe Biden saying that the pipeline will be shut down and being pretty quite coy as for how that would happen:


https://youtu.be/OS4O8rGRLf8

He's been serious about all other things he said they would do against Russia, why should I think differently about this?
Or you're saying that Putin might have done Biden's bidding for him and blown it up himself?
Gas isn't Putin's biggest leverage, but what does that have to do with incentive for him to blow up his own expensive pipeline?

I didn't change the topic, because the two countries suspected and capable are the US and Russia. How is it a change of topic if I say at this point hitting NS wouldn't be of much use for the US. How is that a change of topic when the topic is about the US sabotaging NS?

How is it a change of topic when the OP says Russia was provoked into a war by the US when Russia has a track record of unprovoked wars? When Putin is on record to deny statehood for Ukraine, large parts of Georgia etc.

It's not Putin's expensive pipeline. It's Germany's. Why would he do it? With the looming threat of Russia in the baltic sea he's binding skandinavic and german miltary in that place.

[Axe]

Apparently russia has ran out of kirov airships as we speak. :(

[Rolando]

So, I guess it would be a good idea to catch everybody up on what’s happened in Ukraine since the US engineered a coup of their government in 2014. ( https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/ )

The US has worked for many years to set this all up. They helped overthrow the democratically elected government in 2014 and set up a very right-wing government which has Nazi elements involved in it. This government was not neutral on the question of joining NATO. It was very pro joining NATO.

When this all happened, the Russian speaking Ukrainians who generally live in the Donbas region decided they were not on board with the new government. So they started fighting against the new government.

Then came the Minsk Agreements. This negotiated a cease fire. The government forces would withdraw, and the region would be given more autonomy. They could have their own elections….. But none of this happened. The Ukrainian government kept bombing the crap out of the Donbas Region for another 8 years. Again, these people are Russian by ethnicity.

1 in 6 Ukrainians are ethnic Russians. 1 in 3 Ukrainians speak Russian as their primary language.

When you have such a divided country, it would be a good idea to remain neutral. The Ukrainians simple could have stayed neutral and avoided this whole war.

However, that’s not an acceptable situation for the US. They have pressured the very conservative / Nazi government to join NATO. The US also financed the continued violence against ethnic Russians within Ukraine.

Putin had warned many years ago that Ukraine joining NATO would be unacceptable. For NATO to set up in Ukraine would be like Russia setting up a strategic partner in Mexico. It is a complete no-go.

1. The slaughter of ethnic Russians has been going on for 8 years in the Donbas.
2. The Ukrainian government wants to Join NATO.
3. NATO and the US has been training Ukrainian forces for many years now.

This is why the Russians have invaded the Donbass in Ukraine. After so many years of pressure to do something for their people there and also the massive threat of Ukraine joining NATO left them no choice but to act.

Sanctions allowed the US to close the dreaded Russian pipeline so that Europe has to turn to other, western companies for energy. This conflict allows American arms producers to profit greatly. The US taxpayers are basically paying the salaries of the Ukrainian army at this point. Taxpayer money is being used to buy all the arms. (The money goes directly to arms manufacturers.)

TLDR: Wealthy people in the States don’t like the wealthy people in Russia. Poor people will fight this conflict for both sides.

[bladefd]

Nobody knows for sure who sabotaged the pipeline, and I don't know if we will. If it's a high-level military sabotage, they probably took precautions to hide their tracks. If there is a report, it would be classified I don't know if there is going to be an investigation, who would fund, and what they would find.

[TheMan]

So, I guess it would be a good idea to catch everybody up on what’s happened in Ukraine since the US engineered a coup of their government in 2014. ( https://moderndiplomacy.eu/2018/06/04/how-and-why-the-u-s-government-perpetrated-the-2014-coup-in-ukraine/ )

The US has worked for many years to set this all up. They helped overthrow the democratically elected government in 2014 and set up a very right-wing government which has Nazi elements involved in it. This government was not neutral on the question of joining NATO. It was very pro joining NATO.

When this all happened, the Russian speaking Ukrainians who generally live in the Donbas region decided they were not on board with the new government. So they started fighting against the new government.

Then came the Minsk Agreements. This negotiated a cease fire. The government forces would withdraw, and the region would be given more autonomy. They could have their own elections….. But none of this happened. The Ukrainian government kept bombing the crap out of the Donbas Region for another 8 years. Again, these people are Russian by ethnicity.

1 in 6 Ukrainians are ethnic Russians. 1 in 3 Ukrainians speak Russian as their primary language.

When you have such a divided country, it would be a good idea to remain neutral. The Ukrainians simple could have stayed neutral and avoided this whole war.

However, that’s not an acceptable situation for the US. They have pressured the very conservative / Nazi government to join NATO. The US also financed the continued violence against ethnic Russians within Ukraine.

Putin had warned many years ago that Ukraine joining NATO would be unacceptable. For NATO to set up in Ukraine would be like Russia setting up a strategic partner in Mexico. It is a complete no-go.

1. The slaughter of ethnic Russians has been going on for 8 years in the Donbas.
2. The Ukrainian government wants to Join NATO.
3. NATO and the US has been training Ukrainian forces for many years now.

This is why the Russians have invaded the Donbass in Ukraine. After so many years of pressure to do something for their people there and also the massive threat of Ukraine joining NATO left them no choice but to act.

Sanctions allowed the US to close the dreaded Russian pipeline so that Europe has to turn to other, western companies for energy. This conflict allows American arms producers to profit greatly. The US taxpayers are basically paying the salaries of the Ukrainian army at this point. Taxpayer money is being used to buy all the arms. (The money goes directly to arms manufacturers.)

TLDR: Wealthy people in the States don’t like the wealthy people in Russia. Poor people will fight this conflict for both sides.

Interesting...just one question. Are you by any chance Russian?

[bladefd]

Interesting...just one question. Are you by any chance Russian?

Or possibly spending too much time on some 4chan Russian propaganda board.

[Axe]

Or possibly spending too much time on some 4chan Russian propaganda board.
:roll:

[Rolando]

Ha ha ha.....Nope.

American here.

Just pointing out the obvious. I also am ahead of the media. Let's see what the official story is. Somehow, the powers-that-be have to convince us that Russia blew up its own pipeline which it has spent billions building. This also took a looooooong time to build. These explosions may make it PERMANENTLY unusable.

So you can consider me a bit skeptical.

Until I get a convincing alternative, the US is the main suspect. Nothing else makes sense. As soon as the European citizens realize what has been done to them. They just might be quite upset with the good ole USA.

[SATAN]

I watched Putin's annexation ceremony speech. Dude talks well but it's clear he wants the West crippled. Dude was literally talking about trans, the Anti-Christ while pretending "Russia" is morally superior and must do what's necessary. I can see how a certain brand of conservatives fall for his shit.

[jstern]

Ha ha ha.....Nope.

American here.

Just pointing out the obvious. I also am ahead of the media. Let's see what the official story is. Somehow, the powers-that-be have to convince us that Russia blew up its own pipeline which it has spent billions building. This also took a looooooong time to build. These explosions may make it PERMANENTLY unusable.

So you can consider me a bit skeptical.

Until I get a convincing alternative, the US is the main suspect. Nothing else makes sense. As soon as the European citizens realize what has been done to them. They just might be quite upset with the good ole USA.

I've been following the Nord Stream 2 saga for many months. The sanctions, Russia using it as leverage, German freezing and the German government telling their citizens that THEY have to sacrifice (not them) for Ukraine, German's citizens cutting wood. And I had such little motivation to create a thread about it because immediately CNN, MSNBC came out with the narrative that it was Russia. A narrative that made no sense. It's like cutting your nose off. And two, how would they even know, be so sure. And then immediately after you had the usual suspects repeating it. Like even if by luck it was somehow Russia, the propaganda is so obvious, and the usual suspects eat it up completely. It's always going to be that way.


https://youtu.be/NwHH1RJxx1g

[Patrick Chewing]

I watched Putin's annexation ceremony speech. Dude talks well but it's clear he wants the West crippled. Dude was literally talking about trans, the Anti-Christ while pretending "Russia" is morally superior and must do what's necessary. I can see how a certain brand of conservatives fall for his shit.

He was talking about how Satan the devil is in the United States right now because we're committing so many resources on mutilating and exploiting children through trans ideology. He is right.

[SATAN]

He was talking about how Satan the devil is in the United States right now because we're committing so many resources on mutilating and exploiting children through trans ideology. He is right.

He's saying it hoping people like you will hear it and cause further division imo. You don't start shit with a foreign country over something like that unless you really are an unhinged religious nutjob (imo). You could blame Satan for what China is doing to minorities also. Or any other ****ed up/weird thing happening in the world.

[ZenMaster]

Interesting...just one question. Are you by any chance Russian?

I know a Ukrainian woman who explains events from 2014 and up until the war basically the same as Rolando, says she lost her patriotism towards Ukraine when her birth region was bombed by their own government back then.
I guess she just spent too much time on 4chan as well :oldlol:


I didn't change the topic, because the two countries suspected and capable are the US and Russia. How is it a change of topic if I say at this point hitting NS wouldn't be of much use for the US. How is that a change of topic when the topic is about the US sabotaging NS?

You didn't say anything about that, all you said was that Russia has been to war before without being baited into it, so they could not have been baited this time.

[Jasper]

Jasper, are you drunk?


Poopsie - if I was hammered to the gills I would have more logic than you when you are sober...:oldlol::roll::oldlol:

[Jasper]

I've been following the Nord Stream 2 saga for many months. The sanctions, Russia using it as leverage, German freezing and the German government telling their citizens that THEY have to sacrifice (not them) for Ukraine, German's citizens cutting wood. And I had such little motivation to create a thread about it because immediately CNN, MSNBC came out with the narrative that it was Russia. A narrative that made no sense. It's like cutting your nose off. And two, how would they even know, be so sure. And then immediately after you had the usual suspects repeating it. Like even if by luck it was somehow Russia, the propaganda is so obvious, and the usual suspects eat it up completely. It's always going to be that way.


https://youtu.be/NwHH1RJxx1g

Surprised Jstern followed anything other than poopsie on ISH ....lmfao

[Rolando]

Secretary of Defense Blinken says: "the sabotage of Russian Nord Stream gas pipeline was seen in Washington as a “tremendous opportunity”

Secretary Blinken also confirmed that the U.S. had now become “the leading supplier of [liquefied natural gas] to Europe.”

Wow! Putin blowing up his own pipeline and now this.

Are you all still on board with the mainstream media explanation?

https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/blinken-nord-stream-attack--opportunity

[Rolando]

Former Polish minister of national defense tweeted: Thank You USA! With a nice picture of the gas bubbling up in the Baltic Sea.

https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/xpqkvc/i_was_not_expecting_a_former_polish_foreign/

Shall I continue?

[oldtimer28]

Ha ha ha.....Nope.

American here.

Just pointing out the obvious. I also am ahead of the media. Let's see what the official story is. Somehow, the powers-that-be have to convince us that Russia blew up its own pipeline which it has spent billions building. This also took a looooooong time to build. These explosions may make it PERMANENTLY unusable.

So you can consider me a bit skeptical.

Until I get a convincing alternative, the US is the main suspect. Nothing else makes sense. As soon as the European citizens realize what has been done to them. They just might be quite upset with the good ole USA.

Quick note to say thanks for your posts in this thread and other 'thinking' posts.

I keep expecting a nuclear event after the pipeline bombing...

[Jasper]

this is an undercover operation by the demo's to free the world .
When Trump becomes Prez again , all the nazi's will fall back into place...

[Patrick Chewing]

this is an undercover operation by the demo's to free the world .
When Trump becomes Prez again , all the nazi's will fall back into place...

Does this make sense to anyone??

[Off the Court]

Until I get a convincing alternative, the US is the main suspect. Nothing else makes sense.

How about this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-0qJXyido

[bladefd]

How about this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-0qJXyido

It doesn't fit his narrative, and 4chan Russian propaganda forum would not permit it.

[Rolando]

Quick note to say thanks for your posts in this thread and other 'thinking' posts.

I keep expecting a nuclear event after the pipeline bombing...

I appreciate it. I am enjoying throwing out some new and challenging ideas and points of view to this discussion. It really is quite remarkable how universal the "group think" is on this particular issue. In my own life, there's pretty much nobody in my social circle who's in agreement with me. On Facebook, there's only one friend of mine who seems to get it. Usually there's a percentage of progressive thinkers out there presenting a contrary opinion.......Not this time.

The propaganda machine has been really, really successful in putting forth a certain perspective of events.

Russia must be tempted to retaliate in some way. I don't think they can. Like I said in the other thread, this is a game of chess. Of course, the nuclear option is their ultimate card to play but things have not risen to that level of action yet. Russia has taken territory from Ukraine and taken in the ethnic Russians in that area.

Ukraine is pretty helpless without US support. I don't think the American public is up for sending any more billions over there so it could be that things cool down in Ukraine fairly soon. Russia will solidify it's new border and respond to the coming minor attacks and disruptions. Ukraine has to be careful that it doesn't collapse once the the western money runs dry. They will be very unstable, flooded with arms and a variety of factions looking to take power.

[Rolando]

How about this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-0qJXyido

Ok. This is something we can definitely discuss. The guy has a level of intelligence and he's constructed a theory based on some selected facts supported by some big assumptions.

1. He assumes that, if the US did it, they could have done it in a clandestine way that was completely under the radar........So clearly it wasn't the US….. Well, perhaps there was no other way to kill this pipeline outside of blowing it up. Perhaps the cyber security of the Russia is capable of protecting it from such clever threats.

So the “operational design” base for this argument has assumptions that can be easily questioned.

2. He mentions early on that we should not consider who benefits from this but rather, focus on his “operational design” theory. Really?

3. He also specified that the operation created three effects. Ok. At LEAST three effects were created. Here’s an effect he didn’t mention: The Americans are now the biggest supplier of natural gas to Europe as a result of these explosions.

4. He falsely states that “all the effects of the blowing up of the pipelines are bad for the United States.”

5. He claims that the consequences of blowing up these pipes “are all good for Russia”. Really? They just lost all their negotiating leverage with the Europeans. That’s not some minor point to ignore. They also just lost 11 billion invested in building the pipeline. They lost all future profits as well.

6. He then goes on to say that, since Russia is losing the war badly, they are much more likely to do crazy things. Russia is losing the war? Really? They just expanded their territory. Ukraine has gotten smaller! FFS! Seriously. Look at the freaking value of the Ruble since the war started. Russia isn’t losing. Their economy is quite healthy. Putin is very popular at the moment.

Anyway, this guy has a certain level of intelligence but he has constructed an argument that is pretty easily countered.

[jstern]

Ok. This is something we can definitely discuss. The guy has a level of intelligence and he's constructed a theory based on some selected facts supported by some big assumptions.

1. He assumes that, if the US did it, they could have done it in a clandestine way that was completely under the radar........So clearly it wasn't the US….. Well, perhaps there was no other way to kill this pipeline outside of blowing it up. Perhaps the cyber security of the Russia is capable of protecting it from such clever threats.

So the “operational design” base for this argument has assumptions that can be easily questioned.

2. He mentions early on that we should not consider who benefits from this but rather, focus on his “operational design” theory. Really?

3. He also specified that the operation created three effects. Ok. At LEAST three effects were created. Here’s an effect he didn’t mention: The Americans are now the biggest supplier of natural gas to Europe as a result of these explosions.

4. He falsely states that “all the effects of the blowing up of the pipelines are bad for the United States.”

5. He claims that the consequences of blowing up these pipes “are all good for Russia”. Really? They just lost all their negotiating leverage with the Europeans. That’s not some minor point to ignore. They also just lost 11 billion invested in building the pipeline. They lost all future profits as well.

6. He then goes on to say that, since Russia is losing the war badly, they are much more likely to do crazy things. Russia is losing the war? Really? They just expanded their territory. Ukraine has gotten smaller! FFS! Seriously. Look at the freaking value of the Ruble since the war started. Russia isn’t losing. Their economy is quite healthy. Putin is very popular at the moment.

Anyway, this guy has a certain level of intelligence but he has constructed an argument that is pretty easily countered.

I saw the video earlier, and it was disgusting seeing all those people in the comment section eating it up. His whole argument is based on his theory, being presented as full proof. And at the core of it it's based on the fake CNN, MSNBC narrative that Putin is Hitler, that one day he just decided that he wanted to take over ALL of Ukraine, unexpectedly, shocking the whole world, AND that he's loosing and getting embarrassed in this conflict.

So basically, Putin is a suicidal maniac, so doesn't care about Russia, therefor he clearly is the one who blew up his own pipeline. Because "the allies are closing in." That's a very simplistic narrative that the Blade's and Off the Court of the world can easily gobble up.

And when you have such media coordination based on narrative, there's not much that can be done about it. The best thing to do is to make sure you don't get caught up in it.

And even the design of the video, reminds me of this Corona Doctor that just spread Pfizer propaganda. Has an expensive camera, great presentation, and a high status job. He puts a spoiler on the thumbnail, "Russia did it," and then tells you before he starts his explanation that spoiler, Russia did it. Most creators want to create suspense in a sense, to have people watch as long as possible. But the point of the video doesn't seem to be about getting engagement, but rather, "Russia did it."

[Off the Court]

As soon as the European citizens realize what has been done to them. They just might be quite upset with the good ole USA.

Here is Russia's motive. You said it yourself.

Biden said he would do it, that is Putin calling him out on it.

It's like if Putin said he will nuke Kyiv and then Ukraine nukes Kyiv themselves knowing it would be the end of Russia and they'd win the war.

It's a desperation move to get EU to turn on USA.

Which brings me to my own theory, Biden already said he'd do it so he had no reason to deny it. He's supplying billions of dollars and weapons to Ukraine and doesn't deny that so why would he deny this? If the US did do it they would have coordinationated it with most of Europe especially Germany.

Now, just like the guy in that video, I will say that they're is no evidence either way so it's all just theory. That's all anyone can do here is theorize.

His theories don't suggest the US couldn't have done it, they just suggest that the way it was carried out leans toward Russia.

[1987_Lakers]

Bruh, how are there people here actually arguing it wasn't the U.S.?

Common sense tells you they did it.

[Rolando]

I saw the video earlier, and it was disgusting seeing all those people in the comment section eating it up. His whole argument is based on his theory, being presented as full proof. And at the core of it it's based on the fake CNN, MSNBC narrative that Putin is Hitler, that one day he just decided that he wanted to take over ALL of Ukraine, unexpectedly, shocking the whole world, AND that he's loosing and getting embarrassed in this conflict.

So basically, Putin is a suicidal maniac, so doesn't care about Russia, therefor he clearly is the one who blew up his own pipeline. Because "the allies are closing in." That's a very simplistic narrative that the Blade's and Off the Court of the world can easily gobble up.

And when you have such media coordination based on narrative, there's not much that can be done about it. The best thing to do is to make sure you don't get caught up in it.

And even the design of the video, reminds me of this Corona Doctor that just spread Pfizer propaganda. Has an expensive camera, great presentation, and a high status job. He puts a spoiler on the thumbnail, "Russia did it," and then tells you before he starts his explanation that spoiler, Russia did it. Most creators want to create suspense in a sense, to have people watch as long as possible. But the point of the video doesn't seem to be about getting engagement, but rather, "Russia did it."

You nailed it. The media really pushed the idea that Russia's actions just came out of nowhere. Therefore, better not look into any recent history, especially the US backed coup in 2014.....Let's not bring that up.

Let's not mention the how the Ukrainian government is partly composed of an openly Nazi party.

Let's not mention the Minsk Agreement.

Let's not mention that Ukraine could have just remained neutral and avoided the whole war.

Let's pay no attention to what the Russian government actually gave as reasons and goals for the military action.
1. Ukraine cannot be allowed to join NATO. Russia and Putin had stated this for years and years.
2. The Russians are fighting Nazis within Ukraine. The want to destroy the Nazi Party.
3. The Russians want to support the ethnic Russian and Russian speaking people in Ukraine who have been attacked and subjugated for the last 8 years.

No, no. Don't consider any of this. The clear explanation is that Putin is a madman, worse than Hitler. First he wants all of Ukraine and then Europe!

People just ate this up without so much as a question.

[Off the Court]

Neither myself nor the video are claiming that the US could not have done this. That's too black and white and no one should be that definitive in this. If you've already made up your mind and you can't be talked off your hill then that is the wrong place to be here. I for one have no issues saying the US did this if that were the case and if we pulled the trigger here I'm fine with it. Biden already threatened it and in my opinion supplying Ukraine with billions of dollars and weapons is far worse when you are looking at things from Putin's angle.

There are things surrounding the issue that are questionable if this were the US. And as I look today another issue points to Russia. Apparently gas can still be transferred from Russia to Europe from the part of the pipeline that was not damaged. Meaning Russia can still send gas and also gain the advantage of the US looking like the bad guys to Europe.

[ZenMaster]

Here is Russia's motive. You said it yourself.

Biden said he would do it, that is Putin calling him out on it.

It's like if Putin said he will nuke Kyiv and then Ukraine nukes Kyiv themselves knowing it would be the end of Russia and they'd win the war.

It's a desperation move to get EU to turn on USA.

Which brings me to my own theory, Biden already said he'd do it so he had no reason to deny it. He's supplying billions of dollars and weapons to Ukraine and doesn't deny that so why would he deny this? If the US did do it they would have coordinationated it with most of Europe especially Germany.

Now, just like the guy in that video, I will say that they're is no evidence either way so it's all just theory. That's all anyone can do here is theorize.

His theories don't suggest the US couldn't have done it, they just suggest that the way it was carried out leans toward Russia.

Even if Swedish intelligence found evidence of US involvement, like an unblown charge, which they probably won't, but even if they did it can't be public and official that the US did it.

It would mean that
1) the US blew up what is part of European energy infrastructure, which would technically be a hostile act on an ally.
2) the US blew up a pipeline owned and handled by Russia, also an active hostile act towards another country and it would be crossing a line that Biden has previously said he wouldn't do.

Instead the official narrative that we have is about whodunnit "sabotage" and it being "a tremendous opportunity" for the US, but that it's probably caused by Russia.

Rolando has already explained everything wrong with the assumptions towards the theory the guy in your video applies, but it should also be noted that the guy is not a civilian, he's part of Danish defence - a strong ally to the US - and he regularly appears on Danish television in uniform as a military expert.

Here he is on AP:


https://youtu.be/W4ban8A-yOk

[Off the Court]

I don't care about media narratives. I also don't care if the US did it or not. Again, to me Biden supplying the Ukraine with billions of dollars and weapons is more "hostile" from the Russian perspective. If it is shown that the US did then I am accepting of that.

I do not agree that it couldn't be public knowledge when we have already seen Biden threaten the attack. And I also find it hard to believe that the US would conduct this attack without consulting various EU leaders and making sure that all are on the same page. Instead you have all out denials and pretty much everyone from the west wanting to conduct investigations of the attack. If the US did do this then they would know that Russia and Putin know it and there would be no reason to conduct a fake investigation.

[ZenMaster]

I don't care about media narratives. I also don't care if the US did it or not. Again, to me Biden supplying the Ukraine with billions of dollars and weapons is more "hostile" from the Russian perspective. If it is shown that the US did then I am accepting of that.

It's not about media narrative, but about what's official between countries.
Blowing up the energy infrastructure of another country is an act of war. E.g if Russia blew up part of the strategic oil reserves of the US, that would be an act of war as well, wouldn't you agree?

I do agree with you that running a proxy war by sending weapons is very hostile as well(which is why I never supported it), but the US and the rest of the Western leaders made the determination that that's OK, but the line they can't cross is to be an active participant.


I do not agree that it couldn't be public knowledge when we have already seen Biden threaten the attack. And I also find it hard to believe that the US would conduct this attack without consulting various EU leaders and making sure that all are on the same page.

Again, it's an active act of war to blow up energy infrastructure like this and it something the Western leaders themselves said was a line they would not cross.

The US government does things, including covert operations, that benefits itself on the behalf of others, including allies. That precedence has already been set over many many years.
E.g do you remember when all the Western countries were supposed to negotiate and come to terms on a new climate agreement, "for the betterment of the entire world"? Well it turned out Obama ordered an operation to spy on the rest of the Western leaders and tapping their communications so the deal could be worked out favorably for the US government. We'd never have know about this though if it wasn't for Wikileaks, which has since been associated with Russa and shut down.


Instead you have all out denials and pretty much everyone from the west wanting to conduct investigations of the attack. If the US did do this then they would know that Russia and Putin know it and there would be no reason to conduct a fake investigation.

Everyone in the west wanting to conduct investigations on the attack? The US has said it supports an investigation "into the sabotage", they've not sent any equipment nor is it being treated as an act of war from it's end.

https://www.businessinsider.com/nordstream-pipelines-gas-leak-apparent-sabotage-us-involvement-2022-9



Nord Stream 2 AG, Switzerland-based operator of that gas pipeline, said on Tuesday it will examine the condition of the leaking pipelines once a police investigation of the "crime scene" is completed and a cordon is lifted.


https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/nord-stream-2-says-it-plans-examine-pipelines-after-police-probe-2022-10-04/

Swedish police finished their investigation today, concluding that there was "gross sabotage", so now the actual operator can apply for permits to inspect damages themselves.


A crime scene investigation of the Nord Stream 1 and 2 gas pipelines from Russia to Europe has strengthened suspicions of “gross sabotage” involving detonations, Sweden’s Security Service said on Thursday.

Swedish and Danish authorities have been investigating four leaks from the pipelines in Swedish and Danish exclusive economic zones in the Baltic Sea since they were first spotted at the beginning of last week.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/business/industry-news/energy-and-resources/article-investigation-of-nord-stream-gas-pipeline-leak-site-finds-evidence-of/

[Akeem34TheDream]

I heard that it could be Poland or one of the Baltic states that did it since they were the ones who opposed Nord stream 2. They knew the leverage Russia would get and they are terrified of Russia, rightfully so.

[Off the Court]

I heard that it could be Poland or one of the Baltic states that did it since they were the ones who opposed Nord stream 2. They knew the leverage Russia would get and they are terrified of Russia, rightfully so.
It's a bad look for Biden because when Biden threatened to blow up Nord stream months ago what he actually did was open the door for someone else to do it in his name. And now he is scrambling trying to prove it wasn't him.

Although I do not think many in the public will understand the reality of that.

[jstern]

I see what's wrong with Off the Court. He honestly thinks that these politicians are actual nice people who are trying their hardest to do what's best for all. When Biden said that there will be no more Nord Stream Pipeline, that he promises he will put an end to it. He couldn't possibly mean it because he's such a sweet man, really looking out for the well being of all living things. And he's certainly not senile, so it couldn't have been a slip of actual plans.

Those in power in the US wouldn't screw Europe like that, because they're allies, friends, all involved are really trying to makes this a better world. For you and for me.


https://youtu.be/BWf-eARnf6U

[Rolando]

The European Market belongs to the US. All the money and profits made through trade with this very wealthy economic zone are dominated by America.

The US will not simply let Russia start doing business with the EU. Especially the very profitable energy business. American interests lose profits and Russia becomes stronger and stronger. This simply cannot be allowed to happen. Angela Merkel was a great leader for Germany. She realized that Germany needed that Russian gas and, against the wishes of the US, initiated discussions with the Russians and this allowed the Pipelines to be constructed. The US was against it the whole way. The current leader of Germany is a spineless wimp who cannot stand up to the Americans. He was quick to sanction the Russians and stop the flow of gas. However, the German people were beginning protest in greater and greater numbers. Schultz was about to cave and so the Americans chose to blow up the pipeline. That's what it looks like anyway.

Instead of thinking Russia wants to "take over" Europe, you have to rework that a bit and you will get to the Truth: Russia wants to do Business with Europe. That's what this conflict is about.

[bladefd]

"Russia becomes stronger and stronger" :lol

Russia is a 3rd world country with inherited nukes and nothing else.

Second, nobody is saying a shithole like Russia wants to take over Europe. They can't even take over Ukraine without falling on their own ass. Russia wants Ukraine and wants to destabilize European democracies to get someone friendly to Russia in office to benefit Russia.

[SATAN]

The European Market belongs to the US. All the money and profits made through trade with this very wealthy economic zone are dominated by America.

The US will not simply let Russia start doing business with the EU. Especially the very profitable energy business. American interests lose profits and Russia becomes stronger and stronger. This simply cannot be allowed to happen. Angela Merkel was a great leader for Germany. She realized that Germany needed that Russian gas and, against the wishes of the US, initiated discussions with the Russians and this allowed the Pipelines to be constructed. The US was against it the whole way. The current leader of Germany is a spineless wimp who cannot stand up to the Americans. He was quick to sanction the Russians and stop the flow of gas. However, the German people were beginning protest in greater and greater numbers. Schultz was about to cave and so the Americans chose to blow up the pipeline. That's what it looks like anyway.

Instead of thinking Russia wants to "take over" Europe, you have to rework that a bit and you will get to the Truth: Russia wants to do Business with Europe. That's what this conflict is about.

:facepalm

[Lakers Legend#32]

The Saudis cutting oil production and driving up gas prices with just 4 weeks until the midterm elections (at Trump's request), makes those stolen nuclear secrets all the more interesting don't ya think.

[Rolando]

:facepalm

I encourage you to comment on anything I wrote. Let'er rip.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, there's a very screwed up and unstable winter coming for Europe. I wonder if the US will start confronting Russia more and more directly. I wonder if the US has done serious damage to its reputation by blowing up the pipeline. Will the US continue sending money and special forces to Ukraine? Will the American public be happy to see more billions of dollars of tax payer money being spent on some other country?

[bladefd]

I encourage you to comment on anything I wrote. Let'er rip.

Regardless of what anybody thinks, there's a very screwed up and unstable winter coming for Europe. I wonder if the US will start confronting Russia more and more directly. I wonder if the US has done serious damage to its reputation by blowing up the pipeline. Will the US continue sending money and special forces to Ukraine? Will the American public be happy to see more billions of dollars of tax payer money being spent on some other country?

Your mind is already made up that it was the US that blew up the pipeline almost like a foregone conclusion. I don't see the point of this thread because you are obviously extremely pro-russia. Anyone saying anything against Russia will blow past you.

[jstern]

Again, I like Blade, but he feels almost like a bot. I don't know if it's mental illness.

8 months after Trump was cleared by Mueller of the Russia, Russia, Russia collusion hoax, Bladef was still going strong with the narrative, because he had no idea that Trump was cleared 8 months earlier. That was incredible to watch.

He writes essays about subjects as if he knows what he's talking about, even though he lacks the curiosity to even read about the subjects. Literally only reads CNN headlines, and doesn't go any further. That's why I feel there's something wrong with him up there.

Like with the Kyle Rittenhouse case, he was writing essay after essay about a case that was all over the news, with every detail beaten to death by the public as a whole, and then it comes out that he hadn't watch a single frame related to the trial (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?483529-Kyle-Rittenhouse&p=14478768&viewfull=1#post14478768).

[ZenMaster]

The Saudis cutting oil production and driving up gas prices with just 4 weeks until the midterm elections (at Trump's request), makes those stolen nuclear secrets all the more interesting don't ya think.

You forgot the emoji..

https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240

[jstern]

You forgot the emoji..

https://twitter.com/jojofromjerz/status/1577722988090122240

Interesting. I wonder where JoJoFromJerz copied and pasted it from. And if she forgot any emojis.

[Lee]

no proofs

[Jasper]

I see what's wrong with Off the Court. He honestly thinks that these politicians are actual nice people who are trying their hardest to do what's best for all. When Biden said that there will be no more Nord Stream Pipeline, that he promises he will put an end to it. He couldn't possibly mean it because he's such a sweet man, really looking out for the well being of all living things. And he's certainly not senile, so it couldn't have been a slip of actual plans.

Those in power in the US wouldn't screw Europe like that, because they're allies, friends, all involved are really trying to makes this a better world. For you and for me.

] u thought that when nazi Trump was in power lmfao

[Patrick Chewing]

u thought that when nazi Trump was in power lmfao

Considering how this country was better off under Trump, we were right. You voted for Biden thinking the country would improve, and two years later, we are worse off. You should apologize to the rest of us, leave the board, and then lay under the path of your tractor.

[TheMan]

Considering how this country was better off under Trump, we were right. You voted for Biden thinking the country would improve, and two years later, we are worse off. You should apologize to the rest of us, leave the board, and then lay under the path of your tractor.

My my, aren't we angry today :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

My my, aren't we angry today :lol

It's just Alpha Male talk. Conan talk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRB7bzgAsU

[TheMan]

It's just Alpha Male talk. Conan talk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKRB7bzgAsU

Is that from the first Conan movie where Arnold spoke like 2 minutes the entire movie or from the second one where he was talkative af :lol The first one is a classic, the second one, not so much...

[Patrick Chewing]

Is that from the first Conan movie where Arnold spoke like 2 minutes the entire movie or from the second one where he was talkative af :lol The first one is a classic, the second one, not so much...

First one. Conan the Barbarian. I need to watch these again. I haven't seen these since I was a kid. The problem is, these movies are so cheesy and awful, it's hard for me to watch them now. I started watching Commando the other day and I couldn't finish it. :oldlol:

[TheMan]

First one. Conan the Barbarian. I need to watch these again. I haven't seen these since I was a kid. The problem is, these movies are so cheesy and awful, it's hard for me to watch them now. I started watching Commando the other day and I couldn't finish it. :oldlol:

Lol, Commando is pretty awful watching as an adult, lol. Predator does hold up, and the Terminator though. But I loved Conan as a kid, probably don't want to ruin my memory of that movie by watching it now :lol

[Nanners]

Imagine being so mind controlled by western propaganda that you legitimately believe that the Russians blew up their own pipeline.... a pipe that they spent billions building, and happened to be their top bargaining chip in their efforts to secure a favorable peace deal.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Considering how this country was better off under Trump, we were right. You voted for Biden thinking the country would improve, and two years later, we are worse off. You should apologize to the rest of us, leave the board, and then lay under the path of your tractor.

Well hell, if it's based on nothing but Poopsie's uneducated opinion, then it must be true.

[Rolando]

Apparently, the Russian Ministry of Defense just announced that the British were the ones who blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.

I guess I was wrong. Looked pretty obvious that the Americans did it.....but I guess not.

By the way, the British were behind the bombing of the bridge to Crimea. So they are doing the dirty work for this whole project. These are basically terrorist acts. Pretty sad that the UK and the West has resorted to this stuff.

[SATAN]

:facepalm

[jstern]

Old news, but it wasn't covered in corporate news.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3cOOW_Av8

[Paolo Banchero]

Good job by US.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Considering how this country was better off under Trump, we were right. You voted for Biden thinking the country would improve, and two years later, we are worse off. You should apologize to the rest of us, leave the board, and then lay under the path of your tractor.

We were using freezer trucks as morgues because of Covid when Trump was prez.

[Rolando]

Old news, but it wasn't covered in corporate news.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gj3cOOW_Av8

That was great.

[ZenMaster]

How about this?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hk-0qJXyido

I remember this moronic nonsense, made by a guy from the military of one of US allies. "If the US had done it, they would have done it a different way" :oldlol:


Last June, the Navy divers, operating under the cover of a widely publicized mid-summer NATO exercise known as BALTOPS 22, planted the remotely triggered explosives that, three months later, destroyed three of the four Nord Stream pipelines, according to a source with direct knowledge of the operational planning.


Back in Washington, planners knew they had to go to Norway. “They hated the Russians, and the Norwegian navy was full of superb sailors and divers who had generations of experience in highly profitable deep-sea oil and gas exploration,” the source said. They also could be trusted to keep the mission secret. (The Norwegians may have had other interests as well. The destruction of Nord Stream—if the Americans could pull it off—would allow Norway to sell vastly more of its own natural gas to Europe.)

https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream?r=5mz1&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

[Rolando]

Good to see the truth is finally coming out although it was reasonably obvious from the start who was behind this. Of course, people caught up in the mainstream media spin could not wrap their heads around the idea that the US would execute such a questionable act. It hurt not only Russia but also Germany, one of our closest allies. The current German leadership is so weak that they didn't even protest.

An important goal of the US is to make sure Europe and especially Germany does not develop close economic ties to Russia. A Russia/Germany partnership would be very dangerous and powerful. Pressuring Germany to send Leopard Tanks to Ukraine is also part of this strategy of blocking any future partnership.

[Off the Court]

That's just some journalist blog. I can see that this journalist has prompted Russia to call for an international investigation but before this they had the blast pegged on the UK Navy.

[ZenMaster]

That's just some journalist blog. I can see that this journalist has prompted Russia to call for an international investigation but before this they had the blast pegged on the UK Navy.

Funny how you chose the exact same wording as Reuters when they reported on this.

It's always pretty cool when you can discredit something completely while being as vague as possible, but OK, let's play your retarded game.

What's the angle of your post? The blog, is it place where this journalist, who's broken many stories about wrongdoings by US government through internal sources since the 70's, takes real world events and turn them into fictional story telling and makes money on it?

I predict that within a day or two, either of you or bladed will mention how the story can't be true because the described explosive Tcharges would not create the big explosion that was measured. That's the kind of fake information that are currently making the rounds in the same places where people for whatever reason also all agree that this is "just some blog".

[Off the Court]

Funny how you chose the exact same wording as Reuters when they reported on this.

It's always pretty cool when you can discredit something completely while being as vague as possible, but OK, let's play your retarded game.

What's the angle of your post? The blog, is it place where this journalist, who's broken many stories about wrongdoings by US government through internal sources since the 70's, takes real world events and turn them into fictional story telling and makes money on it?

I predict that within a day or two, either of you or bladed will mention how the story can't be true because the described explosive Tcharges would not create the big explosion that was measured. That's the kind of fake information that are currently making the rounds in the same places where people for whatever reason also all agree that this is "just some blog".

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

[ZenMaster]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

So that observation that an article isn't necessarily true because it's written, it could apply to any person posting any article, but you chose to highlight it for this one specifically. How weird unless you had some ulterior motive like pointing out that you don't think it's true.
And mind you, the author did not just type "the US did it", he draws on a source and through that lays out a pretty detailed set of events which all coincide with events that happened in real life.

I had to be present in the middle of the Baltic sea when it happened in order to care about this? That's also a weird point.

I'm attached to this because it's something that affects the conditions of where I'm currently living. Cheap gas could have flowed through that pipeline, but instead it now has to be sailed over the Atlantic or provided by Norway, just at a much higher price lessening the living conditions for everyone here.
The US carried out a covert attack on a pipeline here, how would you describe it if Russia blew up a US pipeline between say Texas and New York? Act of war or not?

[ZenMaster]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

So that observation that an article isn't necessarily true because it's written, it could apply to any person posting any article, but you chose to highlight it for this one specifically. How weird unless you had some ulterior motive like pointing out that you don't think it's true.
And mind you, the author did not just type "the US did it", he draws on a source and through that lays out a pretty detailed set of events which all coincide with events that happened in real life.

I had to be present in the middle of the Baltic sea when it happened in order to care about this? That's also a weird point.

I'm attached to this because it's something that affects the conditions of where I'm currently living. Cheap gas could have flowed through that pipeline, but instead it now has to be sailed over the Atlantic or provided by Norway, just at a much higher price lessening the living conditions for everyone here.
The US carried out a covert attack on a pipeline here, how would you describe it if Russia blew up a US pipeline between say Texas and New York? Act of war or not?

[ZenMaster]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

So that observation that an article isn't necessarily true because it's written, it could apply to any person posting any article, but you chose to highlight it for this one specifically. How weird unless you had some ulterior motive like pointing out that you don't think it's true.
And mind you, the author did not just type "the US did it", he draws on a source and through that lays out a pretty detailed set of events which all coincide with events that happened in real life.

I had to be present in the middle of the Baltic sea when it happened in order to care about this? That's also a weird point.

I'm attached to this because it's something that affects the conditions of where I'm currently living, as well as increasing the chance for an escalation into further war. Cheap gas could have flowed through that pipeline in the future, but instead it now HAS to be sailed over the Atlantic or provided by Norway, just at a much higher price that's lessening the living conditions for everyone here.

[ZenMaster]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

So that observation that an article isn't necessarily true because it's written, it could apply to any person posting any article, but you chose to highlight it for this one specifically. How weird unless you had some ulterior motive like pointing out that you don't think it's true.
And mind you, the author did not just type "the US did it", he draws on a source and through that lays out a pretty detailed set of events which all coincide with events that happened in real life.

I had to be present in the middle of the Baltic sea when it happened in order to care about this? That's also a weird point.

I'm attached to this because it's something that affects the conditions of where I'm currently living, as well as increasing the chance for an escalation into further war. Cheap gas could have flowed through that pipeline in the future, but instead it now HAS to be sailed over the Atlantic or provided by Norway, just at a much higher price that's lessening the living conditions for everyone here.

[ZenMaster]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

So that observation that an article isn't necessarily true because it's written, it could apply to any person posting any article, but you chose to highlight it for this one specifically. How weird unless you had some ulterior motive like pointing out that you don't think it's true.
And mind you, the author did not just type "the US did it", he draws on a source and through that lays out a pretty detailed set of events which all coincide with events that happened in real life.

I had to be present in the middle of the Baltic sea when it happened in order to care about this? That's also a weird point.

I'm attached to this because it's something that affects the conditions of where I'm currently living, as well as increasing the chance for an escalation into further war. Cheap gas could have flowed through that pipeline in the future, but instead it now HAS to be sailed over the Atlantic or provided by Norway, just at a much higher price that's lessening the living conditions for everyone here.

[ZenMaster]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

So that observation that an article isn't necessarily true because it's written, it could apply to any person posting any article, but you chose to highlight it for this one specifically. How weird unless you had some ulterior motive like pointing out that you don't think it's true.
And mind you, the author did not just type "the US did it", he draws on a source and through that lays out a pretty detailed set of events which all coincide with events that happened in real life.

I had to be present in the middle of the Baltic sea when it happened in order to care about this? That's also a weird point.

I'm attached to this because it's something that affects the conditions of where I'm currently living, as well as increasing the chance for an escalation into further war. Cheap gas could have flowed through that pipeline in the future, but instead it now HAS to be sailed over the Atlantic or provided by Norway, just at a much higher price that's lessening the living conditions for everyone here.

[ZenMaster]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

So that observation that an article isn't necessarily true because it's written, it could apply to any person posting any article, but you chose to highlight it for this one specifically. How weird unless you had some ulterior motive like pointing out that you don't think it's true.
And mind you, the author did not just type "the US did it", he draws on a source and through that lays out a pretty detailed set of events which all coincide with events that happened in real life.

I had to be present in the middle of the Baltic sea when it happened in order to care about this? That's also a weird point.

I'm attached to this because it's something that affects the conditions of where I'm currently living, as well as increasing the chance for an escalation into further war. Cheap gas could have flowed through that pipeline in the future, but instead it now HAS to be sailed over the Atlantic or provided by Norway, just at a much higher price that's lessening the living conditions for everyone here.

[ZenMaster]

I haven't seen any Reuters article. I haven't even thought about the pipeline for months. Neither me nor you were there so I don't know why you take this to heart or are so attached to this. It's weird.

The angle of my post is that just because this journalist typed something doesn't make it fact.

I predict that you will put your tin foil hat on and internalize as a fact that the US did it no matter what comes out. Just like you did with Arizona audit.

So that observation that an article isn't necessarily true because it's written, it could apply to any person posting any article, but you chose to highlight it for this one specifically. How weird unless you had some ulterior motive like pointing out that you don't think it's true.
And mind you, the author did not just type "the US did it", he draws on a source and through that lays out a pretty detailed set of events which all coincide with events that happened in real life.

I had to be present in the middle of the Baltic sea when it happened in order to care about this? That's also a weird point.

I'm attached to this because it's something that affects the conditions of where I'm currently living, as well as increasing the chance for an escalation into further war. Cheap gas could have flowed through that pipeline in the future, but instead it now HAS to be sailed over the Atlantic or provided by Norway, just at a much higher price that's lessening the living conditions for everyone here.

[Nanners]

This supercut sums it up the situation so phenomenally that it can break the brains of the most indoctrinated of NPCs


https://youtu.be/NSZyKYitC3M

You have to be literally retarded to believe that Russia blew up their own pipeline

BTW, the Biden admin basically declared war on Russia with this act of terrorism, so when we all die in the upcoming nuclear holocaust be sure to thank the nearest democrat for your fate