It has to be said, Wiggins is a far more ideal second-option than Kyrie

[FultzNationRISE]

For obvious reasons.

Equally capable scorer, PLUS a better rebounder and defender, better attitude, and not injury prone.

Trying to beat your opponent (a 73 win opponent, no less) AND trying to win with Kyrie is like having to play two games in one. It's an insanely monumental feat, and that's why nobody's ever won shit with him besides LeKing.

Please dont compare winning a chip with the modern Scottie Pippen to winning a chip with the modern Steve Francis.

Like, please just dont even go there.

You will look asinine.

Thank you.

[red1]

kd and kyrie both choked this year.


two scrubs that got carried by curry and curry's father.

[red1]

swept in the first round like a bunch of bums :roll:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FRRT5qmWYAQz2jy.jpg

[TheGoatest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GT7x5JtDDI

Kyrie and Kevin Love used to be the worst pick-n-roll defending duo in the league in 2016.

[Jasper]

pre season interview with KD , he stated that Nets get no respect from the NBA when they take the floor.

He has just learned that NETS are forever losers .

Next year he better demand a trade otherwise his career is over.

[Manny98]

Kyrie averaged 27 against the Warriors and hit the greatest shot in NBA history

Wiggins is not capable of doing anything compared to this


https://youtu.be/sMggiPd2Z_0


https://youtu.be/dWjigSJP0RE

[3ba11]

As a secondary producer that isn't capable of elite scoring, Wiggins forces the 1st option to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

Otoh, Kyrie's elite scoring capability serves as an equal -scoring partner that attracts equal defensive attention - so the 1st option DOESN'T have a defeat maximum defensive attention

Night and day... We all saw planty of guys fail and shoot like garbage against maximum defensive attention like 07' Lebron in the Finals or 15' Lebron... It's simply harder to win while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals)

Carry on

[red1]

As a secondary producer that isn't capable of elite scoring, Wiggins forces the 1st option to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load)

Otoh, Kyrie's elite scoring capability serves as an equal -scoring partner that attracts equal defensive attention - so the 1st option DOESN'T have a defeat maximum defensive attention

Night and day... We all saw planty of guys fail and shoot like garbage against maximum defensive attention like 07' Lebron in the Finals or 15' Lebron... It's simply harder to win while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals)

Carry on

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html

stacked team :oldlol:




55-wins and I dont see baldan anywhere on the roster?

[3ba11]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html

stacked team :oldlol:




55-wins and I dont see baldan anywhere on the roster?


ONLY AFTER THREE-PEATING, the bulls cast = 15' hawks

aka paper tiger in playoffs and 1-hit wonder (borderline lottery the following year)

[red1]

ONLY AFTER THREE-PEATING, the bulls cast = 15' hawks

aka paper tiger in playoffs and 1-hit wonder (borderline lottery the following year)

lebron's iconic game 7s against the two dynasties in the 13 spurs and 16 warriors (both teams better than any team that mj beat)


these games prove that lebron is clutch. your narratives are busted. not only is he clutch, he's a clutch god.




jordan's best scalp was the jazz :roll:

[3ba11]

lebron's iconic game 7s against the two dynasties in the 13 spurs and 16 warriors (both teams better than any team that mj beat)


these games prove that lebron is clutch. your narratives are busted. not only is he clutch, he's a clutch god.




jordan's best scalp was the jazz :roll:


Lebron always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, so he never had to defeat maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals)

Defeating maximum defensive attention > Lebron's titles with shared scoring load

Lebron had 1b equal-scoring partners and all-time scorers at sidekick.. Kyrie and Lebron both average 28 for their Finals career, while Wade led Lebron in 2011 Playoffs and AD in 2020

[red1]

Lebron always had equal-scoring partners to attract equal defensive attention, so Lebron never had to defeat maximum defensive attention (never carried scoring load in Finals)

Defeating maximum defensive attention > Lebron's titles with shared scoring load

Lebron had 1b scoring partners and all-time scorers at sidekick

lebron also played against better teams than jordan in the nba finals.


he absolutely did defeat maximum attention. you forget how kerr described as terrifying and an offensive maestro in the same breath as describing him as an absolute toss-up with MJ as to who the best player of all-time is?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4&ab_channel=ESPN

[red1]

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[3ba11]

lebron also played against better teams than jordan in the nba finals.


he absolutely did defeat maximum attention. you forget how kerr described as terrifying and an offensive maestro in the same breath as describing him as an absolute toss-up with MJ as to who the best player of all-time is?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4&ab_channel=ESPN


No one that makes millions from today's NBA will bash it - they won't tell people to stop watching by saying previous eras were better

But the reality is that Kerr didn't double Lebron..

Kerr was happy to let a ball-dominator hog the assists so their team gets massively out-assisted

Stan Van Gundy said he did the same thing to Lebron ("let him dribble and get stats")

[red1]

give it up dude. just tap out.



you lost.



you said he would never win a legit ring and wasnt a top 10 all-time talent. you ranked moses malone and hakeem over lebron.





you done goofed and you done showed your low IQ. its over. you lost. :oldlol:

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[3ba11]

give it up dude. just tap out.



you lost.



you said he would never win a legit ring and wasnt a top 10 all-time talent. you ranked moses malone and hakeem over lebron.





you done goofed and you done showed your low IQ. its over. you lost. :oldlol:



Kerr didn't double Lebron




https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-22-2019/6e5aBZ.gif



Penetrators are met at the rim with multiple defenders, so only hot jumpshooters require doubles to get the ball out of their hands..

Essentially, since Lebron's jumper rarely gets hot, his scoring isn't devastating enough for the opponent to compromise their defense by doubling (gambling)

[red1]

Kerr didn't double Lebron




https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-22-2019/6e5aBZ.gif



Penetrators are met at the rim with multiple defenders, so only hot jumpshooters require doubles to get the ball out of their hands..

Essentially, since Lebron's jumper rarely gets hot, his scoring isn't devastating enough for the opponent to compromise their defense by doubling (gambling)

dude at this point you just need to TAP THE **** OUT.


kerr had a roster of elite defenders and said that he rotated them AT ALL TIMES to keep them fresh. meanwhile lebron played nearly every minute.

you dont need to double when you have iggy klay and dray etc - KERR SAID IT HIMSELF IN THE SAME VIDEO THAT I ALREADY POSTED


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4&feature=emb_title&ab_channel=ESPN

[red1]

https://youtu.be/7MG8wjJNdf4?t=120

2-minute mark: "we're blessed with a very versatile defensive roster... andre returning game 3 gave the rest of the guys relief... draymond, kd, klay... andre is one of the best defenders in the league"

dray klay iggy and kd ALL rotated on lebron - meanwhile lebron had george hill and jr smith on the wings aka non-threats against that length :roll:


literally 4 on 1 :roll:

[3ba11]

https://youtu.be/7MG8wjJNdf4?t=120

2-minute mark: "we're blessed with a very versatile defensive roster... andre returning game 3 gave the rest of the guys relief... draymond, kd, klay... andre is one of the best defenders in the league"

dray klay iggy and kd ALL rotated on lebron - meanwhile lebron had george hill and jr smith on the wings aka non-threats against that length :roll:


literally 4 on 1 :roll:


Lebron shot 39% against single coverage!!!!....

Because he couldn't handle the extra jumpshooting that high volume requires!!!!

That's the historical and statistical record!!!

Bum scorer!!! (paper tiger... losing style)

[red1]

Lebron shot 39% against single coverage!!!!....

Because he couldn't handle the extra jumpshooting that high volume requires!!!!

That's the historical and statistical record!!!

Bum scorer!!! (paper tiger... losing style)

that was 2015. in a herculean effort. with his second option and third option out of the series.



dellavedova literally needed IVs at half-time. thats how depleted and gassed the team was.


still averaged a triple double and filled it up and gave them a run for their money. came back and won the ring the next year forcing a dynasty to collude and call the 2nd best player in the world at the time in a parking lot to rig the deck on a 73-win team.


meanwhile pippen and grant and rodman never missed a single key series, let alone an NBA finals - meanwhile lebron's fragile second AND third option BOTH went down - AT THE SAME TIME :roll:




alas not every athlete is an ironman like leGOAT james.

[RRR3]

Red1 stuffing snivelball aka snivelly into a locker as usual.

[red1]

Lebron shot 39% against single coverage!!!!....

Because he couldn't handle the extra jumpshooting that high volume requires!!!!

That's the historical and statistical record!!!

Bum scorer!!! (paper tiger... losing style)

4 finals MVPs bitch, you lost :roll:

[3ba11]

that was 2015. in a herculean effort. with his second option and third option out of the series.



dellavedova literally needed IVs at half-time. thats how depleted and gassed the team was.



meanwhile pippen and grant and rodman never missed a single key series, let alone an NBA finals - meanwhile lebron's fragile second AND third option BOTH went down - AT THE SAME TIME :roll:




alas not every athlete is an ironman like leGOAT james.


Lebron lacks the elite jumpshooting skill required to cannot defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals, so he needs all-time scoring help like AD or Wade and can't win with secondary scorers like Wiggins or Pippen

[red1]

Red1 stuffing snivelball aka snivelly into a locker as usual.

bronball only style of basketball proven to beat 70+ win teams.



unprecedented!!!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/75/c7/b375c7a409b2c1eaafcf56ef23a110b3.jpg

[RRR3]

Lebron lacks the elite jumpshooting skill required to cannot defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals, so he needs all-time scoring help like AD or Wade and can't win with secondary scorers like Wiggins or Pippen
Wade was "all time scoring help" in 2013? :roll:

Shut up snivelly you're getting destroyed in this thread.

[RRR3]

bronball only style of basketball proven to beat 70+ win teams.



unprecedented!!!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b3/75/c7/b375c7a409b2c1eaafcf56ef23a110b3.jpg
snivelball only style of posting proven to come from nursing homes.


Unprecedented!

[red1]

Lebron lacks the elite jumpshooting skill required to cannot defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals, so he needs all-time scoring help like AD or Wade and can't win with secondary scorers like Wiggins or Pippen

pippen led the bulls to 55 wins and game 7 of the ECSF while baldan was suspended for gambling.


grocery-bagging rivals.

[red1]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html

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https://i.postimg.cc/k5pXdN5h/Rivalry-Decade.jpg

[red1]

Wade was "all time scoring help" in 2013? :roll:

Shut up snivelly you're getting destroyed in this thread.
:oldlol:


dwade was the man but that is just ridiculous. he just cant let go. bron always carried. EVEN on the heat. and that's just a fact.

[MrFonzworth]

Redwanuthan Praggnanandhaa on a meltdown. 8 posts in 23 minutes yikes

[KNOW1EDGE]

Stopped reading after “equally capable scorer”

[Axe]

Stopped reading after “equally capable scorer”
Because he's a pippen-caliber player as far as he's remembered.

[Hey Yo]

Kyrie averaged 27 against the Warriors and hit the greatest shot in NBA history

Wiggins is not capable of doing anything compared to this


https://youtu.be/sMggiPd2Z_0


https://youtu.be/dWjigSJP0RE

Greatest shot in NBA history??????

:roll:

[Hey Yo]

Lebron shot 39% against single coverage!!!!....

Because he couldn't handle the extra jumpshooting that high volume requires!!!!

That's the historical and statistical record!!!

Bum scorer!!! (paper tiger... losing style)

Shor 40% and was met at the rim by 3 players.

Desperate lies by you as usual.

[Stephonit]

Curry with Wiggins won a championship last year.
Another player with Kyrie got swept in the first round.
And yet another player who was teammates with Russell Westbrook didn't make the playoffs.

Something to think about.

[FultzNationRISE]

Curry with Wiggins won a championship last year.
Another player with Kyrie got swept in the first round.
And yet another player who was teammates with Russell Westbrook didn't make the playoffs.

Something to think about.

Yeah, thats the point. Wiggins is more valuable than Kyrie, and he sure as hell makes more impact than Anthony Davis cheering from the bench in street clothes.

Winning with Wiggins is like winning with Scottie Pippen. It’s expected. You dont get credit for doing it, it’s what youre supposed to do. Youre playing on easy mode.

[TheCorporation]

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Sooo just hold on
We'eeere goin home

:dancin

[DCL]

when you're talking about the "whole package" with elements that involve more than just skill, then many "lesser" players are more ideal second-options than kyrie.

[Axe]

Curry with Wiggins won a championship last year.
Another player with Kyrie got swept in the first round.
And yet another player who was teammates with Russell Westbrook didn't make the playoffs.

Something to think about.
Why couldn't curry carry oubre jr. to the playoffs last year? :ohwell:

[3ba11]

Why couldn't curry carry oubre jr. to the playoffs last year? :ohwell:


Kyrie is good at star stuff like scoring, clutch, and taking out the opponent's MVP

Wiggins and Pippen are good at role player things like defense and hustle, which any team of good role players can do

[Stephonit]

Why couldn't curry carry oubre jr. to the playoffs last year? :ohwell:

The league literally had to change the qualifying criteria that had stood for decades to prevent that from happening.

[Axe]

The league literally had to change the qualifying criteria that had stood for decades to prevent that from happening.
All that while klay and andre were both absent in the team? Interesting.

[Stephonit]

All that while klay and andre were both absent in the team? Interesting.

A 37-year old Iguodala and Klay with ACL and Achilles injuries was the difference between playoffs and championship? Apparently it's arguable.