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L.Kizzle
10-03-2022, 03:02 AM
Of course, excluding the top tier guys Karl Malone & Charles Barkley and the guys right below like Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp, Chris Webber and yes even Vin Baker, Larry Johnson and Derrick Coleman.

Before we get to the guys I'd like you all to rank, I think there was one more tier before I get to them. What do you all think?

-Tom Gugliotta
-Juwon Howard
-Christian Laettner
-Danny Manning
-Antonio McDyess

These are the guys I want you all to rank
P.J. Brown
Dale Davis
Chris Gatling
Horace Grant
A.C. Green
Tyrone Hill
Charles Oakley
Otis Thorpe
Anthony Mason
Buck Williams
Jayson Williams
Kevin Willis

For the most part, these guys did about the same things for their teams. Obviously, some did it better than other.

dankok8
10-03-2022, 10:40 AM
Buck Williams peaked in the 80's and in his prime he's the best on that list. Basically a 20/10 big man who played terrific defense as well but in the 90's he was already out of his prime.

L.Kizzle
10-03-2022, 11:17 AM
Buck Williams peaked in the 80's and in his prime he's the best on that list. Basically a 20/10 big man who played terrific defense as well but in the 90's he was already out of his prime.
I almost didn't add him because of that but he played until 1998 and was still All Defense for like three seasons on the 90s.

FultzNationRISE
10-03-2022, 11:20 AM
Give me a prime Kevin McHale over all of them.

Patrick Chewing
10-03-2022, 01:50 PM
Of course, excluding the top tier guys Karl Malone & Charles Barkley and the guys right below like Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp, Chris Webber and yes even Vin Baker, Larry Johnson and Derrick Coleman.

Before we get to the guys I'd like you all to rank, I think there was one more tier before I get to them. What do you all think?

-Tom Gugliotta
-Juwon Howard
-Christian Laettner
-Danny Manning
-Antonio McDyess

These are the guys I want you all to rank
P.J. Brown
Dale Davis
Chris Gatling
Horace Grant
A.C. Green
Tyrone Hill
Charles Oakley
Otis Thorpe
Anthony Mason
Buck Williams
Jayson Williams
Kevin Willis

For the most part, these guys did about the same things for their teams. Obviously, some did it better than other.

That first tier of PF's you listed were primarily offensive scorers for their respective teams, whereas the second tier were some of the best defensive players in league history.

Xiao Yao You
10-03-2022, 02:03 PM
That first tier of PF's you listed were primarily offensive scorers for their respective teams, whereas the second tier were some of the best defensive players in league history.

no one cares about D

HoopsNY
10-03-2022, 03:32 PM
Of course, excluding the top tier guys Karl Malone & Charles Barkley and the guys right below like Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp, Chris Webber and yes even Vin Baker, Larry Johnson and Derrick Coleman.

Before we get to the guys I'd like you all to rank, I think there was one more tier before I get to them. What do you all think?

-Tom Gugliotta
-Juwon Howard
-Christian Laettner
-Danny Manning
-Antonio McDyess

These are the guys I want you all to rank
P.J. Brown
Dale Davis
Chris Gatling
Horace Grant
A.C. Green
Tyrone Hill
Charles Oakley
Otis Thorpe
Anthony Mason
Buck Williams
Jayson Williams
Kevin Willis

For the most part, these guys did about the same things for their teams. Obviously, some did it better than other.

Don't forget Shareef Abdur-Rahim. He was a solid big but goes unnoticed in an era of so many great bigs.

L.Kizzle
10-03-2022, 03:52 PM
Don't forget Shareef Abdur-Rahim. He was a solid big but goes unnoticed in an era of so many great bigs.
I didn't forget him, just think of hin more as a 2000s player.

SouBeachTalents
10-03-2022, 05:52 PM
Mason & Grant are clearly the best two of that group imo. The rest of them the difference is so negligible, I’m not ranking all those guys :lol

Edit, missed Buck Williams who I’d say was the best of the group.

Round Mound
10-03-2022, 06:16 PM
Otis Thorpe No Love? He Played Great For The Rockets.

Reggie43
10-03-2022, 08:23 PM
Laettner and Gugliotta is not a tier above some of the guys in the second group regardless of how more offensively skilled they were.

jayfan
10-04-2022, 11:28 AM
Laettner and Gugliotta is not a tier above some of the guys in the second group regardless of how more offensively skilled they were.

Laettner is not on the same tier as Gugliotta.

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L.Kizzle
10-04-2022, 11:49 AM
Laettner is not on the same tier as Gugliotta.

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Fun fact. They both made their only All-Star appearance the same season.
Another fun fact, Googs made the team over teammate Kevin Garnett. KG was an injury replacement for Shaq, Googs was selected by the coaches.

RogueBorg
10-04-2022, 01:30 PM
Kevin Willis was a really good player especially a young KW. I would probably take him first off that list.

jayfan
10-04-2022, 01:49 PM
Of course, excluding the top tier guys Karl Malone & Charles Barkley and the guys right below like Dennis Rodman, Shawn Kemp, Chris Webber and yes even Vin Baker, Larry Johnson and Derrick Coleman.

Before we get to the guys I'd like you all to rank, I think there was one more tier before I get to them. What do you all think?

-Tom Gugliotta
-Juwon Howard
-Christian Laettner
-Danny Manning
-Antonio McDyess

These are the guys I want you all to rank
P.J. Brown
Dale Davis
Chris Gatling
Horace Grant
A.C. Green
Tyrone Hill
Charles Oakley
Otis Thorpe
Anthony Mason
Buck Williams
Jayson Williams
Kevin Willis

For the most part, these guys did about the same things for their teams. Obviously, some did it better than other.


Pre-injury Dyess was better than anyone on either list. AC Green was arguably better than anyone on his list or the top list besides pre-injury McDyess.

Buck Williams' prime was in the 80's. Very good player.

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90sgoat
10-04-2022, 05:18 PM
Dale Davis is the best of that group I think. Maybe not best in terms of skill, but the most important to his team.

Mason was very good, but often played Small Forward and had a short prime. Horace Grant is up there, but he also had a very short prime in the 90s and played with MJ and Shaq, both players who drew so many double teams he could get open looks and putback opportunities easily.

Dale Davis on the other hand was an absolute beast on defense and on the boards and often guarded centers as well.

I think Dale Davis is one of the most underrated players of the 90s. He was the motor and defense of those Pacer teams.

L.Kizzle
10-04-2022, 07:09 PM
Dale Davis is the best of that group I think. Maybe not best in terms of skill, but the most important to his team.

Mason was very good, but often played Small Forward and had a short prime. Horace Grant is up there, but he also had a very short prime in the 90s and played with MJ and Shaq, both players who drew so many double teams he could get open looks and putback opportunities easily.

Dale Davis on the other hand was an absolute beast on defense and on the boards and often guarded centers as well.

I think Dale Davis is one of the most underrated players of the 90s. He was the motor and defense of those Pacer teams.
What about D Davis vs Otis Thorpe?

hateraid
10-04-2022, 07:15 PM
Clarence Weathersoon was my guy
Baby Barkley

FilmyCogTurner
10-04-2022, 07:22 PM
Uncle Cliffy anyone?

Reggie43
10-04-2022, 08:41 PM
Dale Davis is the best of that group I think. Maybe not best in terms of skill, but the most important to his team.

Mason was very good, but often played Small Forward and had a short prime. Horace Grant is up there, but he also had a very short prime in the 90s and played with MJ and Shaq, both players who drew so many double teams he could get open looks and putback opportunities easily.

Dale Davis on the other hand was an absolute beast on defense and on the boards and often guarded centers as well.

I think Dale Davis is one of the most underrated players of the 90s. He was the motor and defense of those Pacer teams.


Would have underrated him myself compared to the other guys in the group but he was truly the heart and soul of their defense, toughness and physicality which was most evident when he helped the team make the Finals while earning his lone Allstar berth despite losing his frontcourt partner in Antonio Davis and guys playing on their last legs yet Dale kept their defense afloat.

fsvr54
10-04-2022, 09:22 PM
Pre-injury Dyess was better than anyone on either list. AC Green was arguably better than anyone on his list or the top list besides pre-injury McDyess.

Buck Williams' prime was in the 80's. Very good player.

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McDyess was that dude.

90sgoat
10-04-2022, 09:42 PM
Would have underrated him myself compared to the other guys in the group but he was truly the heart and soul of their defense, toughness and physicality which was most evident when he helped the team make the Finals while earning his lone Allstar berth despite losing his frontcourt partner in Antonio Davis and guys playing on their last legs yet Dale kept their defense afloat.

Antonio Davis was a good player as well.

90sgoat
10-04-2022, 09:43 PM
What about D Davis vs Otis Thorpe?

I only really remember Otis Thorpe from his dunking.

Charlie Sheen
10-05-2022, 01:22 PM
Pre-injury Dyess was better than anyone on either list. AC Green was arguably better than anyone on his list or the top list besides pre-injury McDyess.

Buck Williams' prime was in the 80's. Very good player.

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Curious why you don't have the same considerations for Danny Manning's knee injuries?