Where do you rank Harden on the all-time list?

[dankok8]

He seems out of his prime now and probably won't creep up much higher from here.

[AlternativeAcc.]

With a few rings and a better playoff resume I'd have him in the Jordan/Kobe range... 15 or so

But realistically he's in the 30s or 40s.

[WhiteKyrie]

In that 5 - 7 of best SGs ever region

[John8204]

I'd put him in the 40's at SG..he's top 10 not top 5 even though SG is wide open after 3

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Gervin
5. Iverson
6. Miller
7. Wade
8. Maravich
9. Harden
10. Drexler

For his generation amongst active players
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. CPIII
4. Giannis
5. Kwahi
6. Durant
7. Harden
8. Carmello
9. Jokic
10. Davis

He's never going to overtake Leonard/Giannis/Durant and he hasn't accomplished what CPIII, Lebron, and Curry have done

[SouBeachTalents]

I'd put him in the 40's at SG..he's top 10 not top 5 even though SG is wide open after 3

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Gervin
5. Iverson
6. Miller
7. Wade
8. Maravich
9. Harden
10. Drexler

For his generation amongst active players
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. CPIII
4. Giannis
5. Kwahi
6. Durant
7. Harden
8. Carmello
9. Jokic
10. Davis

He's never going to overtake Leonard/Giannis/Durant and he hasn't accomplished what CPIII, Lebron, and Curry have done
When I called this guy the dumbest poser on the board, this just validates my point :lol His posts are so bad he honestly has to be a gimmick account.

[1987_Lakers]

I'd put him in the 40's at SG..he's top 10 not top 5 even though SG is wide open after 3

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Gervin
5. Iverson
6. Miller
7. Wade
8. Maravich
9. Harden
10. Drexler

For his generation amongst active players
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. CPIII
4. Giannis
5. Kwahi
6. Durant
7. Harden
8. Carmello
9. Jokic
10. Davis

He's never going to overtake Leonard/Giannis/Durant and he hasn't accomplished what CPIII, Lebron, and Curry have done

Bruh, Maravich isn't near Harden on the all time list. Reggie Miller? Lol

I personally have Harden #5 on the SG list.

[L.Kizzle]

I'd put him in the 40's at SG..he's top 10 not top 5 even though SG is wide open after 3

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Gervin
5. Iverson
6. Miller
7. Wade
8. Maravich
9. Harden
10. Drexler

For his generation amongst active players
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. CPIII
4. Giannis
5. Kwahi
6. Durant
7. Harden
8. Carmello
9. Jokic
10. Davis

He's never going to overtake Leonard/Giannis/Durant and he hasn't accomplished what CPIII, Lebron, and Curry have done
How is Miller 5 spots over Drexler? They played in the same era and not one season was Miller better.

[WhiteKyrie]

I'd put him in the 40's at SG..he's top 10 not top 5 even though SG is wide open after 3

1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. West
4. Gervin
5. Iverson
6. Miller
7. Wade
8. Maravich
9. Harden
10. Drexler

For his generation amongst active players
1. Lebron
2. Curry
3. CPIII
4. Giannis
5. Kwahi
6. Durant
7. Harden
8. Carmello
9. Jokic
10. Davis

He's never going to overtake Leonard/Giannis/Durant and he hasn't accomplished what CPIII, Lebron, and Curry have done
Terrible list

SG is

1) Mike
2) Kobe
3) Logo
4) Flash

Then it’s up for grabs

[John8204]

Terrible list

SG is

1) Mike
2) Kobe
3) Logo
4) Flash

Then it’s up for grabs

Wade's career was to short and he was to much of a second to rank ahead of first option players (AI, Maravich, Gervin, Miller)


Bruh, Maravich isn't near Harden on the all time list. Reggie Miller? Lol

I personally have Harden #5 on the SG list.

That's your opinion I think Maravich was a top SG the biggest problem Pete had was the three point line didn't exist...had it existed Maravich would have averaged 57 PPG. He and Gervin were the best shooters of the 70's.


How is Miller 5 spots over Drexler? They played in the same era and not one season was Miller better.

He's not five spots...he's four spots. Reggie was the best player on his team...Clyde had to join Hakeem to win. Reggie played in the tougher East while Clyde had the easier west. Drexler to me is on the same level as guys like Alex English and Adrian Dantley.


When I called this guy the dumbest poser on the board, this just validates my point :lol His posts are so bad he honestly has to be a gimmick account.

Right...I'm dumb because I don't over inflate the players I grew up with like most of you. I actually try to contextualize history when I rank players while you revel and embrace your ignorance. And frankly you are sad person because you can't even come up with a top ten list...you just cry out oh it's dumb. You know what I think's dumb going on a message board and not wanting to actually talk about basketball. OMG this person doesn't think the same things I think so he must be a gimmick and stupid because everyone knows basketball didn't exist before 1980.

[John8204]

How is Miller 5 spots over Drexler? They played in the same era and not one season was Miller better.

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson, Miller, Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Drexler
Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI, Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, McHale
John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving, Moses Malone, Walt Frazier, Thurmond
AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD, Stockton, Ewing, Barry
SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady, Pierce, Oscar Robertson, Walton
Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, Payton, Lillard, Melo
1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3, Havlicek, Nash, Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi, Wade, Allen, Kidd, Karl Malone, Parish, George Gervin

1st Round
1. Shooter - LeBron James
2. 1987_Lakers - Michael Jordan
3. Im Still Ballin - Shaquille O'Neal
4. AlternativeAcc. - Larry Bird
5. Wally450 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. SouBeachTalents - Hakeem Olajuwon
7 John8204 -Wilt Chamberlain
8. iamgine - Stephen Curry
9. post - Nikola Jokic

2nd Round
10. post - Giannis Antetokounmpo
11. iamgine - Kevin Durant
12. John8204 - Kobe Bryant
13. SouBeachTalents - Magic Johnson
14. Wally450 - Kevin Garnett
15. AlternativeAcc. - Tim Duncan
16. Im Still Ballin - Bill Russell
17. 1987_Lakers - David Robinson
18. Shooter - Moses Malone

3rd Round
19. Shooter - Chris Paul
20. 1987_Lakers - Kawhi Leonard
21. Im Still Ballin - Scottie Pippen
22. AlternativeAcc. - Bill Walton
23. Wally450 - Julius Erving
24. SouBeachTalents - Dirk Nowitzki
25. John8204 - Jerry West
26. iamgine - Anthony Davis
27. post - Luka Doncic

4th round
28. post - Joel Embiid
29. iamgine - Paul George
30. John8204 - Charles Barkley
31. SouBeachTalents - Dwyane Wade
32. Wally450 - Klay Thompson
33. AlternativeAcc. - Tracy McGrady
34. Im Still Ballin - Steve Nash
35. 1987_Lakers - Ray Allen
36. Shooter - James Harden

5th round
37. Shooter - Kevin McHale
38. 1987_Lakers - John Stockton
39. Im Still Ballin - Reggie Miller
40. AlternativeAcc. - Chauncey Billups
41. Wally450 - Isiah Thomas
42. SouBeachTalents - Jayson Tatum
43. John8204 - Elgin Baylor
44. iamgine - Jason Kidd
45. post - Rudy Gobert

6th round
46. post - Draymond Green
47. Iamgine - Dennis Rodman
48. John8204 - Jimmy Butler
49. SouBeachTalents - Oscar Robertson
50. Wally450 - Manu Ginobili
51. AlternativeAcc. - Gary Payton
52. Im Still Ballin - Karl Malone
53. 1987_Lakers - Paul Pierce
54. Shooter - Ben Wallace

7th round
55. Shooter - Chris Webber
56. 1987_Lakers - Rasheed Wallace
57. Im Still Ballin - Patrick Ewing
58. AlternativeAcc. - Dwight Howard
59. Wally450 - Pau Gasol
60. SouBeachTalents - Nate Thurmond
61 John8204 - Dominique Wilkins
62. iamgine - Penny Hardaway
63. post - Kyle Korver

8th round
64. post - Zion Williamson
65. Iamgine - Dikembe Mutombo
66. John8204 - Damian Lillard
67. SouBeachTalents - John Havlicek
68. Wally450 - Alonzo Mourning
69. AlternativeAcc. - Chris Mullin
70. Im Still Ballin - Shane Battier
71. 1987_Lakers - Walt Frazier
72. Shooter - Kris Middleton

9th Round
73. Shooter - Kyrie Irving
74. 1987_Lakers - Chris Bosh
75. Im Still Ballin - Mark Price
76. AlternativeAcc. - Andrei Kirilenko
77. Wally450 - Clyde Drexler
78. SouBeachTalents - Al Horford
79. John8204 - Bill Laimbeer
80. iamgine - Grant Hill
81. Post - Jrue Holiday

10th Round
82. post - elena delle donne
83. Iamgine - Arvydas Sabonis
84. John8204 - Sidney Moncrief
85. SouBeachTalents - Eddie Jones
86. Wally450 - Rajon Rondo
87. AlternativeAcc. - Joe Dumars
88. Im Still Ballin - Michael Cooper
89. 1987_Lakers - Artis Gilmore
90. Shooter

You should do the mock drafts because Reggie always goes way ahead of Clyde..this forum doesn't have a search but I would be very curious to see if Clyde has even been taken over Reggie

[1987_Lakers]

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson, Miller, Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Drexler
Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI, Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, McHale
John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving, Moses Malone, Walt Frazier, Thurmond
AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD, Stockton, Ewing, Barry
SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady, Pierce, Oscar Robertson, Walton
Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, Payton, Lillard, Melo
1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3, Havlicek, Nash, Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi, Wade, Allen, Kidd, Karl Malone, Parish, George Gervin

1st Round
1. Shooter - LeBron James
2. 1987_Lakers - Michael Jordan
3. Im Still Ballin - Shaquille O'Neal
4. AlternativeAcc. - Larry Bird
5. Wally450 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. SouBeachTalents - Hakeem Olajuwon
7 John8204 -Wilt Chamberlain
8. iamgine - Stephen Curry
9. post - Nikola Jokic

2nd Round
10. post - Giannis Antetokounmpo
11. iamgine - Kevin Durant
12. John8204 - Kobe Bryant
13. SouBeachTalents - Magic Johnson
14. Wally450 - Kevin Garnett
15. AlternativeAcc. - Tim Duncan
16. Im Still Ballin - Bill Russell
17. 1987_Lakers - David Robinson
18. Shooter - Moses Malone

3rd Round
19. Shooter - Chris Paul
20. 1987_Lakers - Kawhi Leonard
21. Im Still Ballin - Scottie Pippen
22. AlternativeAcc. - Bill Walton
23. Wally450 - Julius Erving
24. SouBeachTalents - Dirk Nowitzki
25. John8204 - Jerry West
26. iamgine - Anthony Davis
27. post - Luka Doncic

4th round
28. post - Joel Embiid
29. iamgine - Paul George
30. John8204 - Charles Barkley
31. SouBeachTalents - Dwyane Wade
32. Wally450 - Klay Thompson
33. AlternativeAcc. - Tracy McGrady
34. Im Still Ballin - Steve Nash
35. 1987_Lakers - Ray Allen
36. Shooter - James Harden

5th round
37. Shooter - Kevin McHale
38. 1987_Lakers - John Stockton
39. Im Still Ballin - Reggie Miller
40. AlternativeAcc. - Chauncey Billups
41. Wally450 - Isiah Thomas
42. SouBeachTalents - Jayson Tatum
43. John8204 - Elgin Baylor
44. iamgine - Jason Kidd
45. post - Rudy Gobert

6th round
46. post - Draymond Green
47. Iamgine - Dennis Rodman
48. John8204 - Jimmy Butler
49. SouBeachTalents - Oscar Robertson
50. Wally450 - Manu Ginobili
51. AlternativeAcc. - Gary Payton
52. Im Still Ballin - Karl Malone
53. 1987_Lakers - Paul Pierce
54. Shooter - Ben Wallace

7th round
55. Shooter - Chris Webber
56. 1987_Lakers - Rasheed Wallace
57. Im Still Ballin - Patrick Ewing
58. AlternativeAcc. - Dwight Howard
59. Wally450 - Pau Gasol
60. SouBeachTalents - Nate Thurmond
61 John8204 - Dominique Wilkins
62. iamgine - Penny Hardaway
63. post - Kyle Korver

8th round
64. post - Zion Williamson
65. Iamgine - Dikembe Mutombo
66. John8204 - Damian Lillard
67. SouBeachTalents - John Havlicek
68. Wally450 - Alonzo Mourning
69. AlternativeAcc. - Chris Mullin
70. Im Still Ballin - Shane Battier
71. 1987_Lakers - Walt Frazier
72. Shooter - Kris Middleton

9th Round
73. Shooter - Kyrie Irving
74. 1987_Lakers - Chris Bosh
75. Im Still Ballin - Mark Price
76. AlternativeAcc. - Andrei Kirilenko
77. Wally450 - Clyde Drexler
78. SouBeachTalents - Al Horford
79. John8204 - Bill Laimbeer
80. iamgine - Grant Hill
81. Post - Jrue Holiday

10th Round
82. post - elena delle donne
83. Iamgine - Arvydas Sabonis
84. John8204 - Sidney Moncrief
85. SouBeachTalents - Eddie Jones
86. Wally450 - Rajon Rondo
87. AlternativeAcc. - Joe Dumars
88. Im Still Ballin - Michael Cooper
89. 1987_Lakers - Artis Gilmore
90. Shooter

You should do the mock drafts because Reggie always goes way ahead of Clyde..this forum doesn't have a search but I would be very curious to see if Clyde has even been taken over Reggie

That's different though. People value 3 point shooting and chemistry when doing all-time drafts, which is why you always see Ray, Klay, and Miller get drafted pretty early.

Look at that board. Klay got picked before Harden, but nobody thinks he is a better player. Klay just works better with other high usage players and gives you defense and shooting that Harden doesnt.

[Druckenmiller]

He’s a great basketball player in the same way Randy macho man savage is a great wrestler

The only way you come to conclusions like that is by admitting the whole thing is made up

He’s on par with World B Free. He’s a quitter, he’s a loser, he’s fat and out of shape, lives in the strip club, plays no defense, flops and flails like a girl and is a generally unlikable and insufferable player

At least world be free was fun

[John8204]

That's different though. People value 3 point shooting and chemistry when doing all-time drafts, which is why you always see Ray, Klay, and Miller get drafted pretty early.

Look at that board. Klay got picked before Harden, but nobody thinks he is a better player. Klay just works better with other high usage players and gives you defense and shooting that Harden doesnt.

It's not binary though...Klay might not be better than Harden but Harden isn't good enough to get picked over guys with defense, and chemistry. James Harden is a great sixth man but he's not that great a centerpiece on a team. We've watched MVP caliber players try and get a ring out of him and it doesn't work.

[Proctor]

He’s a great basketball player in the same way Randy macho man savage is a great wrestler

The only way you come to conclusions like that is by admitting the whole thing is made up

He’s on par with World B Free. He’s a quitter, he’s a loser, he’s fat and out of shape, lives in the strip club, plays no defense, flops and flails like a girl and is a generally unlikable and insufferable player

At least world be free was fun
Glad someone has some sense. :applause:

[Smook A.]

Top 30 all-time and top 4-5 SG ever

[dankok8]

List of players I can't see myself putting Harden over:

PG: Magic, Curry, Oscar
SG: Jordan, Kobe, West, Wade
SF: Lebron, Bird, Durant, Dr J, Havlicek, Baylor, Kawhi
PF: Duncan, Garnett, Malone, Dirk, Barkley, Pettit, Giannis
C: Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Hakeem, Moses, Robinson, Mikan

That's 28 guys definitely ahead of Harden so his ceiling is 29th all time thus he's probably in the 30's or 40's. Floor ranking would be around 50th probably.

[WhiteKyrie]

Wade's career was to short and he was to much of a second to rank ahead of first option players (AI, Maravich, Gervin, Miller)



That's your opinion I think Maravich was a top SG the biggest problem Pete had was the three point line didn't exist...had it existed Maravich would have averaged 57 PPG. He and Gervin were the best shooters of the 70's.



He's not five spots...he's four spots. Reggie was the best player on his team...Clyde had to join Hakeem to win. Reggie played in the tougher East while Clyde had the easier west. Drexler to me is on the same level as guys like Alex English and Adrian Dantley.



Right...I'm dumb because I don't over inflate the players I grew up with like most of you. I actually try to contextualize history when I rank players while you revel and embrace your ignorance. And frankly you are sad person because you can't even come up with a top ten list...you just cry out oh it's dumb. You know what I think's dumb going on a message board and not wanting to actually talk about basketball. OMG this person doesn't think the same things I think so he must be a gimmick and stupid because everyone knows basketball didn't exist before 1980.

No, Wade’s career wasn’t “too short” and when he was healthy was a better player on both sides of the ball than all SGs in history barring three of them.

Peak - 30 ppg 5 rpg 8 apg 2 spg 1 bpg

Career - 22/5/5

3 Rings
Finals MVP
13x All Star
2x NBA First Team
3x NBA Second Team
3x NBA Third Team
3x 2nd All Defensive Teams

No one is better but the goat, Jordan, and Kobe. And West.

[RRR3]

Top 30ish with an argument for top 25 sounds about right. People underrate Harden because he’s irritating to watch.

[SouBeachTalents]

Top 30ish with an argument for top 25 sounds about right. People underrate Harden because he’s irritating to watch.
His playoff play is legitimately the most disappointing of any ATG ever. I know you'd have other guys like Malone, Robinson & Ewing in the discussion, but I think, even if he statistically has the best playoff numbers of that group, he's legitimately ended almost every playoff run disappointingly.

As frustrating/irritating as his style of play can be to watch, that's by far my biggest critique of him.

[Jasper]

50th and maybe climbing...

[L.Kizzle]

He's not five spots...he's four spots. Reggie was the best player on his team...Clyde had to join Hakeem to win. Reggie played in the tougher East while Clyde had the easier west. Drexler to me is on the same level as guys like Alex English and Adrian Dantley.
Really. Clyde was the best player on his team and led his team to 2 finals. And the East wasn't tougher.
90s Hall of Famers in the East
Jordan-Pippen-Rodman
Ewing
Shaq
Reggie
Nique
Zo

90s West Hall of Famers
Drexler
Hakeem
Barkley
Payton
Stockton & Malone
Run TMC
Robinson
Mutombo

West was tougher.

Also, Reggie as the best player wasn't selected to the 93 All Stsr game, however his teammate Detlef Schrempf was. Best player tho.
Imagine Jerome Kersey (RIP) making All Star team over Drexler.

[MrFonzworth]

iamgine - Jordan, Jokic, Robinson, Miller, Rodman, Isiah Thomas, Drexler
Champ - Magic, Wilt, Russell, AI, Barkley, Dominique Wilkins, McHale
John8204 - LeBron, Kobe, Doncic, Erving, Moses Malone, Walt Frazier, Thurmond
AlternativeAcc. - Bird, Giannis, Klay, AD, Stockton, Ewing, Barry
SouBeachTalents - Curry, Kareem, Dirk, McGrady, Pierce, Oscar Robertson, Walton
Manny98 - Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, Payton, Lillard, Melo
1987_Lakers - Hakeem, Garnett, West, CP3, Havlicek, Nash, Baylor
Hakeem Olajuwon - Duncan, Kawhi, Wade, Allen, Kidd, Karl Malone, Parish, George Gervin

1st Round
1. Shooter - LeBron James
2. 1987_Lakers - Michael Jordan
3. Im Still Ballin - Shaquille O'Neal
4. AlternativeAcc. - Larry Bird
5. Wally450 - Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
6. SouBeachTalents - Hakeem Olajuwon
7 John8204 -Wilt Chamberlain
8. iamgine - Stephen Curry
9. post - Nikola Jokic

2nd Round
10. post - Giannis Antetokounmpo
11. iamgine - Kevin Durant
12. John8204 - Kobe Bryant
13. SouBeachTalents - Magic Johnson
14. Wally450 - Kevin Garnett
15. AlternativeAcc. - Tim Duncan
16. Im Still Ballin - Bill Russell
17. 1987_Lakers - David Robinson
18. Shooter - Moses Malone

3rd Round
19. Shooter - Chris Paul
20. 1987_Lakers - Kawhi Leonard
21. Im Still Ballin - Scottie Pippen
22. AlternativeAcc. - Bill Walton
23. Wally450 - Julius Erving
24. SouBeachTalents - Dirk Nowitzki
25. John8204 - Jerry West
26. iamgine - Anthony Davis
27. post - Luka Doncic

4th round
28. post - Joel Embiid
29. iamgine - Paul George
30. John8204 - Charles Barkley
31. SouBeachTalents - Dwyane Wade
32. Wally450 - Klay Thompson
33. AlternativeAcc. - Tracy McGrady
34. Im Still Ballin - Steve Nash
35. 1987_Lakers - Ray Allen
36. Shooter - James Harden

5th round
37. Shooter - Kevin McHale
38. 1987_Lakers - John Stockton
39. Im Still Ballin - Reggie Miller
40. AlternativeAcc. - Chauncey Billups
41. Wally450 - Isiah Thomas
42. SouBeachTalents - Jayson Tatum
43. John8204 - Elgin Baylor
44. iamgine - Jason Kidd
45. post - Rudy Gobert

6th round
46. post - Draymond Green
47. Iamgine - Dennis Rodman
48. John8204 - Jimmy Butler
49. SouBeachTalents - Oscar Robertson
50. Wally450 - Manu Ginobili
51. AlternativeAcc. - Gary Payton
52. Im Still Ballin - Karl Malone
53. 1987_Lakers - Paul Pierce
54. Shooter - Ben Wallace

7th round
55. Shooter - Chris Webber
56. 1987_Lakers - Rasheed Wallace
57. Im Still Ballin - Patrick Ewing
58. AlternativeAcc. - Dwight Howard
59. Wally450 - Pau Gasol
60. SouBeachTalents - Nate Thurmond
61 John8204 - Dominique Wilkins
62. iamgine - Penny Hardaway
63. post - Kyle Korver

8th round
64. post - Zion Williamson
65. Iamgine - Dikembe Mutombo
66. John8204 - Damian Lillard
67. SouBeachTalents - John Havlicek
68. Wally450 - Alonzo Mourning
69. AlternativeAcc. - Chris Mullin
70. Im Still Ballin - Shane Battier
71. 1987_Lakers - Walt Frazier
72. Shooter - Kris Middleton

9th Round
73. Shooter - Kyrie Irving
74. 1987_Lakers - Chris Bosh
75. Im Still Ballin - Mark Price
76. AlternativeAcc. - Andrei Kirilenko
77. Wally450 - Clyde Drexler
78. SouBeachTalents - Al Horford
79. John8204 - Bill Laimbeer
80. iamgine - Grant Hill
81. Post - Jrue Holiday

10th Round
82. post - elena delle donne
83. Iamgine - Arvydas Sabonis
84. John8204 - Sidney Moncrief
85. SouBeachTalents - Eddie Jones
86. Wally450 - Rajon Rondo
87. AlternativeAcc. - Joe Dumars
88. Im Still Ballin - Michael Cooper
89. 1987_Lakers - Artis Gilmore
90. Shooter

You should do the mock drafts because Reggie always goes way ahead of Clyde..this forum doesn't have a search but I would be very curious to see if Clyde has even been taken over Reggie

God awful take. Reggie is taken in these circumstances as a role player, his game is more complimentary to other superstars. Ray Allen was taken before Miller in the example you provided, weird he's not in your top 10. Hang yourself.

[FultzNationRISE]

If we’re ranking people with consideration of their cap hit and usage, Harden is not top 100, probably not even close. Hes a guy Im avoiding like the plague. There are countless players Id rather have when factoring in their respective roles on a team.

Would I rather have Harden getting Jordan Farmar touches and salary over Farmar himself? Yeah, sure. But would I rather have Farmer at Farmar salary/touches than Harden at Harden salary/touches and hope to find a star elsewhere? Yes.

So… I dont really value Harden much at all in terms of realistic cost-benefit.

So it’s not even worth tryin to rank him cuz to me he doesnt chart.

[John8204]

God awful take. Reggie is taken in these circumstances as a role player, his game is more complimentary to other superstars. Ray Allen was taken before Miller in the example you provided, weird he's not in your top 10. Hang yourself.

How good is Clyde if role players are taken before him?

And yeah I don't have Ray Allen in my top ten

[Smook A.]

If we’re ranking people with consideration of their cap hit and usage, Harden is not top 100, probably not even close. Hes a guy Im avoiding like the plague. There are countless players Id rather have when factoring in their respective roles on a team.

Would I rather have Harden getting Jordan Farmar touches and salary over Farmar himself? Yeah, sure. But would I rather have Farmer at Farmar salary/touches than Harden at Harden salary/touches and hope to find a star elsewhere? Yes.

So… I dont really value Harden much at all in terms of realistic cost-benefit.

So it’s not even worth tryin to rank him cuz to me he doesnt chart.

This is actually one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on this forum. Morons like you use the phrase "it's not even close" to loosely. First of all, who in the world ranks players based of their cap hit and usage rate?? You just created a ranking system worse than any elementary schooler could think of. When you're a star player, you're automatically going to take up more cap space than any player on your team. That's kind of how it works in all sports. And if you weren't already aware, players are ranked based off their impact, accolades, and team success. While Harden may not have a championship, you can not deny his insane offensive impact, especially between 2016-2020. He was practically the entire offense of the Rockets team, and did a damn good job at running it. If it weren't for how unfairly great that KD Warriors team was, and CP3's hamstring injury in the 2018 WCF, Harden would probably have a championship to his name right now.

And holy shit, thank god you're not a gm. Imagine typing out that you'd rather have Jordan ****ing Farmar over James Harden and thinking "yeah I'm gonna post this" :roll: :roll:

[MrFonzworth]

How good is Clyde if role players are taken before him?

And yeah I don't have Ray Allen in my top ten

I thought I told you to hang yourself?

[John8204]

I thought I told you to hang yourself?

Yeah but seeing as how you think I'm so stupid I figured you could make an argument but it doesn't seem like you can.

[FultzNationRISE]

This is actually one of the most idiotic takes I've ever seen on this forum. Morons like you use the phrase "it's not even close" to loosely. First of all, who in the world ranks players based of their cap hit and usage rate?? You just created a ranking system worse than any elementary schooler could think of. When you're a star player, you're automatically going to take up more cap space than any player on your team. That's kind of how it works in all sports. And if you weren't already aware, players are ranked based off their impact, accolades, and team success. While Harden may not have a championship, you can not deny his insane offensive impact, especially between 2016-2020. He was practically the entire offense of the Rockets team, and did a damn good job at running it. If it weren't for how unfairly great that KD Warriors team was, and CP3's hamstring injury in the 2018 WCF, Harden would probably have a championship to his name right now.

And holy shit, thank god you're not a gm. Imagine typing out that you'd rather have Jordan ****ing Farmar over James Harden and thinking "yeah I'm gonna post this" :roll: :roll:


If youre impressed by superficial things like Harden’s regular season statistical output in a Mike DAntoni offense, thats fine.

Theres a reason he’s considered a punchline any time games matter.

He plays with a loser mentality. Thats as close to an indisputable fact as any opinion can be.

I wouldnt want that on a team Im building. And thats how I rank guys. Whom would I take on a team Im trying to win a title with? If I take Harden, it means I have to pay him a supermax bc otherwise some other team will and he leaves.

Basketball is not a one on one sport nor defined strictly by skills. There are probably Harlem globetrotters out there who could score more ppg in the NBA than pj tucker, but they wouldnt be as valuable to a team.

Harden has no value to me. Hes trash as a star and he wont fit as a role player. Why would I rank him highly as an NBA player? Hes trash as a star and cant exist as a role player. When you put that in the top 40, what are you actually measuring? What are you telling me he does? I dont think a lot of you even think thru what youre actually trying to measure when you give these rankings.

Harden is top ____ in the world.

Ok. At what exactly?

“AT basketball?” That doesnt even really make sense. Again, there are globetrotters who are brilliant “at basketball.” What do you mean he’s ranked this or that ”at basketball??”

I dont care about your point totals or how many espn voters pushed your mvp narrative. I kinda wanna win basketball games in the playoffs. To me thats being good “at basketball.”

So to me Harden is a bum.

[dankok8]

^Except Harden does win playoff games... and the Rockets were among the NBA's best teams year in and year out with Harden as their #1.

[Overdrive]

How good is Clyde if role players are taken before him?

And yeah I don't have Ray Allen in my top ten

At some point fit is always drafted over talent in these AT draft scenarios.