Zero young players developed into viable producers on Lebron's watch

[3ba11]

By imposing spot-up roles that stall young players, the heliocentric skillset lacks the teammate development, fits or brand of ball to win organically and must resort to talent-based winning (team-hopping... all-star team strategy

It's clear that "heliocentric" ball-dominance and low assist teams are an inferior skillset and methodology, respectively

Accordingly, Lebron is 20-21 in 41 Finals games with super-teams (excluding 07', 15', 18'), so his skillset has a lottery record on the championship level (low team ceilings) regardless of cast

[ShawkFactory]

Which young player didn't turn out well under his watch?

[SouBeachTalents]

Serious question, if Vegas came up to you and asked when you thought 3ball would stop making these threads, and you had to get as close to the year as you could like the price is right, what would your guess be? 2030, 2035, 2040?

He’s been at it with such persistence for nearly a decade now, and shows no signs of slowing down. I think I would honestly pick 2040.

[Full Court]

Westbrook might develop into a viable producer on Lebron's watch. Give him time....

[8Ball]

Jordan stans:

"Jordan built Pippen into a top tier talent."
"Pippen was an overrated bum"

Lmfao

[Full Court]

Jordan stans:

"Jordan built Pippen into a top tier talent."
"Pippen was an overrated bum"

Lmfao

:biggums:

Who other than 3ball ever said that Pippen was an overrated bum?

[GrayGoat]

Boobie Gibson was handcrafted into a Pippen-level player by LeWaterintowine

[Full Court]

Boobie Gibson was handcrafted into a Pippen-level player by LeWaterintowine

Anyone with the name Boobie should automatically be in the top ten.

[ralph_i_el]

Every team he's been on since 2007 has been in win-now mode. You trade your picks and good prospects at that point.

[Street Hunger]

Every team he's been on since 2007 has been in win-now mode. You trade your picks and good prospects at that point.
Good point

[GimmeThat]

Lebron + Bronny James + basketball = death in OP's mind

[3ba11]

Which young player didn't turn out well under his watch?


2005 Hughes (pre-bron).... 22/6/5... 1st team defense
2006 Hughes (w/ bron)..... 14/3/3... no defense


Hughes was a legit 2nd option for a playoff team in 2005, but a complete bum and spot-up shooter alongside Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance in 2006.

Kuzma also became a bum on Lebron's watch

But you're deflecting the point being made - the thread title asks what young players went from low producer to viable producer on his watch, aka what players did he develop - the answer is none.

His skillset imposea spot-up roles that stall young players, so he lacks the teammate development, fits, and brand of ball to win organically.. Therefore, he's just a talent-based winner (team-hopper.. all-star team strategy) that never really learned how to win (organic).

[AlternativeAcc.]

Serious question, if Vegas came up to you and asked when you thought 3ball would stop making these threads, and you had to get as close to the year as you could like the price is right, what would your guess be? 2030, 2035, 2040?

He’s been at it with such persistence for nearly a decade now, and shows no signs of slowing down. I think I would honestly pick 2040.

I think he'll be dead within 5 years. He strikes me as having a severe alcohol dependency, possibly pills too. Not a good mix.

[Lebron23]

https://nba.nbcsports.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2011/02/gibsonlbj.jpg?resize=1024,858

[3ba11]

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Boobie never became a viable producer

And never showed a pattern of growth

the thread title asks what young players went from low producer to viable producer on Lebron's watch, aka what players did he develop - the answer is none.

Lebron's skillset imposea spot-up roles that stall young players, so he lacks the teammate development, fits, and brand of ball to win organically.. Therefore, he's just a talent-based winner (team-hopper.. all-star team strategy) that never really learned how to win (organic).

[Ne 1]

"viable producers" like Norris Cole Mario Chalmers Joel Anthony Tristan Thompson Shumpert

[Charlie Sheen]

What are we calling viable here? Because Caruso , KCP and Kuzma all developed into players who contribute meaningfully to winning basketball games.

[red1]

dude pippen led the bulls to 55-wins without baldan


that is honestly a STACKED FCUKING TEAM




against the hornacek and stockton jazz :roll:

[3ba11]

What are we calling viable here? Because Caruso , KCP and Kuzma all developed into players who contribute meaningfully to winning basketball games.


Which young players went from low producers to viable producers on his watch?

None

He has no examples of developing single-digit rookies like Pippen, Grant and BJ into viable producers while alongside him... Or like Curry developed Poole, Klay, Dray and more

Expert jumpshooters put the ball in teammates' hands and act as an assist target to bail them out if needed.. This elevates teammates, while ball-dominators reduce teammates to spot-up roles.

By imposing spot-up roles that stall young players, the heliocentric (ball-dominant) skillset labks the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically and must be a talent -based winner instead (team-hopper.. all-star team strategy)

[red1]

Which young players went from low producers to viable producers on his watch?

None

He has no examples of developing single-digit rookies like Pippen, Grant and BJ into viable producers while alongside him... Or like Curry developed Poole, Klay, Dray and more

Expert jumpshooters put the ball in teammates' hands and act as an assist target to bail them out if needed.. This elevates teammates, while ball-dominators reduce teammates to spot-up roles.

By imposing spot-up roles that stall young players, the heliocentric (ball-dominant) skillset labks the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically and must be a talent -based winner instead (team-hopper.. all-star team strategy)

show me 1 single lebron team that would win 55-games without him...

[3ba11]

show me 1 single lebron team that would win 55-games without him...


Lebron's teams never reached 3-peat caliber

Furthermore, his teams were TALENT -BASED (all-star team strategy) and therefore preseason favorites, whereas the 94' Bulls weren't expected to do anything (no talent) and won with a 3-peat brand of ball, strategy, chemistry

[red1]

Lebron's teams never reached 3-peat caliber

Furthermore, his teams were TALENT -BASED (all-star team strategy) and therefore preseason favorites, whereas the 94' Bulls weren't expected to do anything (no talent) and won 55 with a 3-peat brand of ball, strategy, chemistry

lebron was the best player in 8 nba finals. thats like 6-7 rings if his teams weren't always injured or literally playing the most stacked or lopsided finals teams of all times (07 spurs, 15 17 and 18 warriors)


we already know what lebron does to weak competition (10 finals, easy rings in a weaker era)




lebron is a better fit for most teams than jordan. lebron won rings on 3 different franchises. he's literally the only player to win a finals MVP on 3 different franchises...





meanwhile baldan is ringless without pippen...

[Ne 1]

2005 Hughes (pre-bron).... 22/6/5... 1st team defense
2006 Hughes (w/ bron)..... 14/3/3... no defense


Hughes was a legit 2nd option for a playoff team in 2005, but a complete bum and spot-up shooter alongside Lebron's abnormal ball-dominance in 2006.

Kuzma also became a bum on Lebron's watch

But you're deflecting the point being made - the thread title asks what young players went from low producer to viable producer on his watch, aka what players did he develop - the answer is none.

His skillset imposea spot-up roles that stall young players, so he lacks the teammate development, fits, and brand of ball to win organically.. Therefore, he's just a talent-based winner (team-hopper.. all-star team strategy) that never really learned how to win (organic).
The Cavs were 4th team defense in 06... Stackhouse was a 30ppg season before MJ... dropped to 21... what was Larry Hughes doing with MJ as well 12ppg.. jumped to 18 after he left...

[Hey Yo]

James got Delly paid by Milwaukee and got him an Aussie shoe deal.

Nobody ever heard of him until LeBron made him a household name during the 2015 Finals.

[3ba11]

The Cavs were 4th team defense in 06... Stackhouse was a 30ppg season before MJ... dropped to 21... what was Larry Hughes doing with MJ as well 12ppg.. jumped to 18 after he left...


The 2002 Wizards were expected to win 18 more games with MJ and they met this expectation (37 wins), while 38-year Lebron missed the play-in with the preseason favorite (biggest underachievement ever)

Btw, the 2009 Cavs had the 3rd-ranked defense compared to 19th for the 90' Bulls, while Mo was superior to Pippen offensively across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency).. So Lebron started with a better team on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles.. Jordan won the next year in 91', while Lebron lost 2 more times as the favorite in 10' and 11'.

[red1]

who the **** cares about young players being developed

the only reason 3ball even brings it up is because he acts like jordan built an organic dynasty that would exist in any era



meanwhile they used to accuse jordan of never winning a ring because he was such a chucker and non-team player :roll:

[red1]

jordan is literally the worst GM of all-time and I'm sure he's trash at developing players

[3ba11]

jordan is literally the worst GM of all-time and I'm sure he's trash at developing players


Unlike ball-dominators that reduce teammates to spot-up roles, expert jumpshooters like Curry and MJ put the ball in teammates' hands and serve as a bailout option if they get in trouble - this elevates teammate role and makes them better.

In addition to having superior teammate development and fits, expert jumpshooters need less help because they can carry the scoring load.. Since they can carry the scoring load, they can win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators can't carry the scoring load and beat top teams (too ball-dominant), so they need all-time scoring help like Kareem, Wade, AD and Kyrie.

[red1]

Unlike ball-dominators that reduce teammates to spot-up roles, expert jumpshooters like Curry and MJ put the ball in teammates' hands and serve as a bailout option if they get in trouble - this elevates teammate role and makes them better.

In addition to having superior teammate development and fits, expert jumpshooters need less help because they can carry the scoring load.. Since they can carry the scoring load, they can win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators can't carry the scoring load and beat top teams (too ball-dominant), so they need all-time scoring help like Kareem, Wade, AD and Kyrie.

dude jordan was such a ballhog that they said he would never win a ring. I had a newspaper snapshot that I didnt save.


mj is the worst GM in the history of the nba. and he played on a team that was stacked enough to make it game 7 of the ECSF without him.




your arguments are weak as hell.

[3ba11]

dude jordan was such a ballhog that they said he would never win a ring. I had a newspaper snapshot that I didnt save.


mj is the worst GM in the history of the nba. and he played on a team that was stacked enough to make it game 7 of the ECSF without him.




your arguments are weak as hell.


Lebron's Heat nearly made the ECF without him in 2016 (after being injured in 15') and Wade played better in the 16' Playoffs than 94' Pippen

Furthermore, the 94' Bulls had a rebounder at sidekick and 22 ppg at 1st option, so they had little talent and won with a 3-peat brand of basketball in a fluke year - they were borderline lottery in 95' before Jordan returned

[red1]

The 94' Bulls had a rebounder at sidekick and 22 ppg at 1st option, so they had little talent and won with a 3-peat brand of basketball in a fluke year - they were borderline lottery in 95' before Jordan returned

show me one scalp as nice as the 13 spurs or 16 warriors.







I'll save your time time - it doesnt exist.

[PeroAntic]

Serious question, if Vegas came up to you and asked when you thought 3ball would stop making these threads, and you had to get as close to the year as you could like the price is right, what would your guess be? 2030, 2035, 2040?

He’s been at it with such persistence for nearly a decade now, and shows no signs of slowing down. I think I would honestly pick 2040.

Hes never going to stop:oldlol:

[Ne 1]

Which young players went from low producers to viable producers on his watch?

None

He has no examples of developing single-digit rookies like Pippen, Grant and BJ into viable producers while alongside him... Or like Curry developed Poole, Klay, Dray and more

Expert jumpshooters put the ball in teammates' hands and act as an assist target to bail them out if needed.. This elevates teammates, while ball-dominators reduce teammates to spot-up roles.

By imposing spot-up roles that stall young players, the heliocentric (ball-dominant) skillset labks the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically and must be a talent -based winner instead (team-hopper.. all-star team strategy)

dude wtf are you talking about LeBron has the highest points produced on fast breaks of any player in league history he is literally the King of fast breaks and on offense he sets up the two most valued shots in the game layups/dunks and open 3pt shots... do you not understand basketball at all?

[Ne 1]

Unlike ball-dominators that reduce teammates to spot-up roles, expert jumpshooters like Curry and MJ put the ball in teammates' hands and serve as a bailout option if they get in trouble - this elevates teammate role and makes them better.

In addition to having superior teammate development and fits, expert jumpshooters need less help because they can carry the scoring load.. Since they can carry the scoring load, they can win with secondary producers like Wiggins or Pippen.. Otoh, ball-dominators can't carry the scoring load and beat top teams (too ball-dominant), so they need all-time scoring help like Kareem, Wade, AD and Kyrie.

so unlike Magic Johnson and Chris Paul and Oscar Robertson and John Stockton and Jason Kidd... all those "ball dominators" that make their poor teammates so much worse ****in clueless

[Axe]

Serious question, if Vegas came up to you and asked when you thought 3ball would stop making these threads, and you had to get as close to the year as you could like the price is right, what would your guess be? 2030, 2035, 2040?

He’s been at it with such persistence for nearly a decade now, and shows no signs of slowing down. I think I would honestly pick 2040.
Doesn't stop braindead retards here from saying he's an intelligent poster regardless of how stubborn he really is.

[bison]

I will never forgive lebron for delaying Brandon Ingram’s rise to stardom by 3 years.

[Spurs m8]

I will never forgive lebron for delaying Brandon Ingram’s rise to stardom by 3 years.

YDK fam CHECKING IN :rockon:

OG member here

[3ba11]

I will never forgive lebron for delaying Brandon Ingram’s rise to stardom by 3 years.


Pippen was a 7 ppg rookie that needed a ton of development...

Unfortunately, young ball-handlers like Pippen, Ingram or Hughes can't develop alongside a Luka-style ball-dominator like Lebron... Even veteran ball-handlers cratered like IT, Westbrook and the Wade fit was poor too.

It's basketball 101.. This is why ball-dominators are massively overrated in our current media - they don't win without super-team talent to offset their suboptimal brand.

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

No one could provide a single example of a young player developing from low producer to viable producer on Lebron's watch - there's literally zero examples of young player statistical development in 2 decades of playing because Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (lacks the teammate development, fits and brand to win organically).

[Ne 1]

You post this same garbage argument periodically like every other week. You don't know basketball clearly. All basketball players and execs consider LeBron the ultimate floor raiser getting the most out of mediocre players or teams for almost 2 decades...

[Ne 1]

FYI, The Bulls were in the same boat with being lower assist teams until Phil and Pippen showed up, Lebron never had the luxury of that happening so he made it happen himself

[Ne 1]

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Thread Cliffs

No one could provide a single example of a young player developing from low producer to viable producer on Lebron's watch - there's literally zero examples of young player statistical development in 2 decades of playing because Lebron's frontcourt ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win (lacks the teammate development, fits and brand to win organically).

Norris Cole, Tristan Thompson, Mario Chalmers, Joel Anthony, Timothy Mozgov

[3ba11]

Norris Cole, Tristan Thompson, Mario Chalmers, Joel Anthony, Timothy Mozgov


Cole, Mosgov, and Anthony were never viable producers (single-digit players) and were even bench players, while Tristan had career highs before Lebron joined in 2015.. None of them grew, let alone into viable producers, so this is a weird choice of players.

Otoh, examples of growing low producers into viable producers would be when 8 ppg rookie benchwarmers like Pippen, Grant and BJ grew into 14-15 ppg starters or double-double or even 20 ppg in Pippen's case...

Similarly, Curry grew Klay, Dray, Poole and more, while Wiggins is now a champion.. Expert jumpshooters put the ball in teammates' hands and then act as the bailout option if they get in trouble - this allows teammates to grow, whereas ball-dominators impose spot-up roles, which lacks the teammate development/fits to win organically

[zeerghit]

last season u said Malink Monk = Scottie Pippen..

[3ba11]

last season u said Malink Monk = Scottie Pippen..


He did for a while until they cut his minutes - he provided 20 ppg on spectacular efficiency/spacing that Pippen never provided for MJ - Lakers miss him this year

[zeerghit]

No, I said he was playing better than Pippen for that stretch when he was starting consistently - he provided 20 ppg on spectacular efficiency/spacing that Pippen never provided for MJ - Lakers miss him this year

so you just answered your f*cking question imagine from nobody to pippen and back to nobody

[3ba11]

so you just answered your f*cking question imagine from nobody to pippen and back to nobody


That's a flash in the pan, not year-over-year development - Lakers never gave him a fair chance even though he was giving them exactly what they needed when he had the minutes (shooting, athleticism).. They should've featured him more and I think they were winning the most during that stretch where he was playing and getting "Pippen" stats

[Ne 1]

That's a flash in the pan, not year-over-year development - Lakers never gave him a fair chance even though he was giving them exactly what they needed when he had the minutes (shooting, athleticism).. They should've featured him more and I think they were winning the most during that stretch where he was playing and getting "Pippen" stats

Are you mentally stable?... you make zero sense lol Curry didn't develop anyone… neither did MJ Pippen and Grant literally had their best year without MJ. The Bulls won 55 games and were a bad call away from the conference finals without MJ.

[ShawkFactory]

That's a flash in the pan, not year-over-year development - Lakers never gave him a fair chance even though he was giving them exactly what they needed when he had the minutes (shooting, athleticism).. They should've featured him more and I think they were winning the most during that stretch where he was playing and getting "Pippen" stats
Lol what stretch? He played almost 30 minutes a game. By far the highest of his career.

He's back to playing scrub minutes on a team that'll be picking in the top 7 or so.

[Shooter]

Yep, only Kyrie, AD, and Wade but that's it! :lol

[ImKobe]

Yep, only Kyrie, AD, and Wade but that's it! :lol

Pretty sure all of those already developed into stars and had better peaks without him. LMAO!