Love, Tristan, Bosh, Zydrunas, Mosgov, Chandler, McGee, Birdman, Boozer Varejao, Shaq

[3ba11]

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^^^^Lebron had all these guys to rebound and block shots for him



Blocks per game

2005 Zydrunas........ 2.1
2010 Shaq............... 1.5
2013 Bosh............... 1.4
2014 Birdman......... 1.3
2015 Mosgov.......... 1.5
2019 McGee............ 2.0
2020 AD................... 2.1

1988 Corzine........... 0.8
1989 Cartwright...... 0.5
1992 Grant............... 1.6
1996 Rodman.......... 0.4
1996 Longley........... 1.4


So Lebron had better rebounding and rim protection, while guys like Wade, Kyrie, and Westbrook average more assists than Pippen

And of course Lebron had more scoring help

TLDR: Lebron had more scoring help, passing help and interior help (rebounding and rim protection)

[SouBeachTalents]

OP needs more psychiatric help.

[PerkinsFor3]

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Tldr: Lebron had more scoring help, passing help and interior help (rebounding and rim protection)

than who?

[3ba11]

than who?


The OP clearly shows that I'm comparing to Jordan's help

[Ne 1]

You’re full of shit and ignore the fact that "help" is based on competition.... "Defense wins championships" LeBron had 3 All NBA Defensive Selection teammates while Jordan had 13.

[red1]

find 1 lebron team that wins 55-without him.

[red1]

I can find a jordan team that wins 55 without him (ie GOAT supporting help [against weak competition])

[3ba11]

You’re full of shit and ignore the fact that "help" is based on competition.... "Defense wins championships" LeBron had 3 All NBA Defensive Selection teammates while Jordan had 13.


In addition to playing with superior rim protection and more good rebounders, Lebron played with more good defenders, aka more teammates with all-defense on their resume - Wade, Hughes, Varejao, Battier, AD, Chandler... Jordan only played with Pippen, Grant and Rodman, while having inferior rim protection, less good rebounders, less playmaking than Kyrie/Wade/Westbrook, and less scoring help by miles.. The Bulls' roster was thin and lacking compared to Lebron's..

The stats confirm Lebron's superior help.. The 2009 Cavs had the 3rd-ranked defense compared to 19th for the 90' Bulls, while Mo destroyed Pippen offensively across the board (PER, BPM, VORP, WS/48, scoring, efficiency) - so Lebron had a better cast on both sides of the ball, yet Jordan still beat him to titles, aka Jordan won the next year in 91', while Lebron lost as the favorite again for 2 more years (10', 11').. Heck, Lebron's 2010 team had the 7th-ranked defense (same as the 1st three-peat Bulls) and far more scoring options with Jamison and Mo (the Bulls never had a 3rd scoring option).

[red1]

if they're so good how come they only win 19 games when leGOAT leaves?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CLE/2011.html

[3ba11]

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Clutch Points (last 5 within 5) for 2016 2nd Round:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-01-2022/-5mtpL.gif

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=2&PerMode=TotalsMode=Totals



Clutch Points for 1994 2nd Round:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/jbCxdB.gif



The Heat were injured in 15' but nearly made 16' ECF just like 94' Bulls:


Playoffs

16' Wade'...... 22.3 PER.. 4.9 bpm.. 0.148 ws/48.. 0.8 vorp.. 22/6/4 on 47%
94' Pippen..... 22.8 PER.. 5.6 bpm.. 0.149 ws/48.. 0.7 vorp.. 23/8/6 on 43%


^^™ the difference is that Wade was building the Heat like a real 1st option does (lottery in 15' ---> nearly ECF in 16'), while Pippen drove the Bulls downward and was borderline lottery in 95' before MJ restored 3-peat caliber



Pippen also amazingly had zero clutch points for the entire 98' 2nd Round (here (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional/?sort=PTS&dir=-1&Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=2&PerMode=Totals))

[3ba11]

I can find a jordan team that wins 55 without him (ie GOAT supporting help [against weak competition])


The historical record shows that the 94' Bulls had to 3-peat before they could win a fluke 55 based on surprise factor and no-pressure period.. But after getting exposed in the 94' playoffs, the REAL bulls without mj were borderline lottery in 95' before he returned.

Furthermore, the 15' Heat were injured but nearly made the 16' ECF just like the 94' Bulls, while 16' Wade (fossil Wade) outplayed peak Pippen, especially in the clutch (see previous post with all data).. i.e. Wade and Curry led all players in clutch points for the 2016 2nd Round, while Pippen averaged 3 on 20% in the 4th quarter of the 94' ECSF

[red1]

why do you always duck every question.


find 1 lebron team that can win 55-games without him, the way scottie pippen's bulls can win 55 without jordan:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html

[red1]

The historical record shows that the 94' Bulls had to 3-peat before they could win a fluke 55 based on surprise factor and no-pressure period.. But after getting exposed in the 94' playoffs, the REAL bulls without mj were borderline lottery in 95' before he returned.

Furthermore, the 15' Heat were injured but nearly made the 16' ECF just like the 94' Bulls, while 16' Wade (fossil Wade) outplayed peak Pippen, especially in the clutch (see previous post with all data).. i.e. Wade and Curry led all players in clutch points for the 2016 2nd Round, while Pippen averaged 3 on 20% in the 4th quarter of the 94' ECSF

the historical record shows that jordan played on stacked teams (zero rings without his 55-win supporting cast) against inferior competition (jordan defeated zero dynasties in their prime).

[red1]

jordan has zero rings without pippen.


and has never defeated a single team as good as the 2013 spurs or 2016 warriors.


buh buh the spurs were old and the warriors were pups :oldlol:

[red1]

buh buh ray allen buh buh kyrie :oldlol:




55-wins without jordan against weak competiton :roll:


https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html

[Wally450]

Cliff notes: psychotic man makes same thread for the 45,000th time.

[red1]

Cliff notes: psychotic man makes same thread for the 45,000th time.

:oldlol:

[Axe]

The bulls actually won a total of 89 games in the mid 90s without that ballhog 1-9 dad killer.

[JohnMax]

Pippen is more successful without Jordan than vice versa. He was making deep playoffs runs while Jordan couldn't make playoffs or get past 1st round.

[3ba11]

Pippen was making deep playoffs runs while Jordan couldn't make playoffs or get past 1st round.


Pippen was 8th option with the Blazers, so who cares if they made the WCF

and Jordan lost early in his career when nearly everyone loses - Giannis, Lebron, Durant and Curry were lottery in their first few years.. It isn't a criticism to lose when everyone else also loses... and once Jordan8 entered his prime, no one won more in 3-pointer history as the best player.

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

Lebron had more rim protection, rebounding, passing and scoring help than MJ