Shaq and Kobe's finals stats in their first 3 peat

[Lebron23]

Shaq and Kobe's NBA Finals stats during their three-peat 😲🔥

Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG

Kobe Bryant: 22.0 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.2 BPG

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I don't understand why the stupid media ranked Kobe over Shaq. Shaq was better than Kobe when both played for the Lakers.

[Full Court]

It was hype. It all settled out after they both retired. Now virtually everybody has Shaq ranked higher than Kobe.

The same thing will happen to Lebron after he retires and the media hype ends.

[Pitbull]

Shaq didnt have longevity I think

[Lebron23]

Shaq didnt have longevity I think

Shaq started his career in 1992.

[Pitbull]

Shaq started his career in 1992.

I know. But he didnt look after his body as Kobe did.

[Full Court]

Shaq didnt have longevity I think

He won FMVP three years in a row. That kind of peak more than makes up for any lack of longevity.


Players who won FMVP three years in a row:

Michael Jordan
Shaquille O'Neal


And that's it. If it was around back then, Russell would have done it as well.

[SouBeachTalents]

He won FMVP three years in a row. That kind of peak more than makes up for any lack of longevity.
He doesn't have a lack of longevity. He was an elite player at 20, he was an elite player at 32. Shaq having poor longevity is literally one of the biggest myths in league history, the guy made 14 All-NBA teams for Christ sake :lol

[Full Court]

He doesn't have a lack of longevity. He was an elite player at 20, he was an elite player at 32. Shaq having poor longevity is literally one of the biggest myths in league history, the guy made 14 All-NBA teams for Christ sake :lol

I agree with you, but for certain posters on here who are obsessed with longevity, they'll say that 15 years as an elite player is "shortgevity." Lol. So rather than argue about whether he did or did not have longevity, which is mostly a matter of opinion, I was pointing out that it wasn't even relevant given what he accomplished.

[TheGoatest]

Shaq and Kobe in the 2004 Finals summed up:

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https://images4.imagebam.com/e1/b1/90/MEFNB1B_o.gif

[Phoenix]

Shaq was elite the moment he entered the league in 92 through 2005 ( maybe you can include 2006 but by that point he had basically handed Wade the keys). Dude was 20 dropping 23/14/4/2 the moment he entered the league. He was basically locked in the top 10 from day one, a few seasons of being the clearcut best player, multiple seasons of being top 5. His 'longevity' as a top player may not measure to Lebron's or Karl Malone ( which is the same for everyone else), but in general Shaq's longeivty was more than fine. He did probably leave one or two more prime years on the table due to suspect work ethic, mind you.

[Johnny32]

shaq peaked higher. kobe had the better career.

[LAL]

Shaq and Kobe's NBA Finals stats during their three-peat 😲🔥

Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG

Kobe Bryant: 22.0 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.2 BPG

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I don't understand why the stupid media ranked Kobe over Shaq. Shaq was better than Kobe when both played for the Lakers.


Shaq started his career in 1992.

You answered your own stupid question. And Shaq after 2000 wasn't who you think he was, injured,out of shape and overweight so 2001 or 02 Kobe definitely was not "worse", perfect for Eastern Conference Centers where kobe played it the right way to win instead of chasing transition dunks and triple doubles. Everyone knows he was the man during the WC playoffs battles.

2000 didn't enter his true prime yet and got injured in the finals, yet a two way monster that got them in the finals and stole a game in a historic way.

When Shaq became worthless in the league, Kobe was just beginning. And idiots here forgot to mention all about Shaq's struggles in the 90's talking about their rankings.

[LAL]

He won FMVP three years in a row. That kind of peak more than makes up for any lack of longevity.


Players who won FMVP three years in a row:

Michael Jordan
Shaquille O'Neal


And that's it. If it was around back then, Russell would have done it as well.

After helping and saving Shaq's butt getting those 3 Fmvp's, Kobe was 2 games short of winning 3 Fmvp's in a row himself. People in general just have more respect for Kobe's game and how he did it with or without Shaq. If you think shaq's better, cool but don't act like we're crazy, sucker.

[1987_Lakers]

Shaq and Kobe in the 2004 Finals summed up:

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https://images4.imagebam.com/e1/b1/90/MEFNB1B_o.gif

Pretty much

[HoopsNY]

You answered your own stupid question. And Shaq after 2000 wasn't who you think he was, injured,out of shape and overweight so 2001 or 02 Kobe definitely was not "worse", perfect for Eastern Conference Centers where kobe played it the right way to win instead of chasing transition dunks and triple doubles. Everyone knows he was the man during the WC playoffs battles.

2000 didn't enter his true prime yet and got injured in the finals, yet a two way monster that got them in the finals and stole a game in a historic way.

When Shaq became worthless in the league, Kobe was just beginning. And idiots here forgot to mention all about Shaq's struggles in the 90's talking about their rankings.

Shaq's struggles in the 90s are often ignored. People forget he played on great teams with elite talent. The '95 and '96 Magic were a great example.

They had Shaq and Penny who were both MVP vote getters and All-NBA. In addition, people forget that guys like Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were both 20 PPG threats who took a backseat for Shaq and Penny. Add Horace Grant to the mix who came over from the previous year where he was an All-Star, All-Defensive 2nd Team, and a 3 time champion, and it made Orlando the closest thing we saw to a super-team from the 80s.

The Lakers had 4 All-Stars in 1998, winning 61 games, and did nothing with it. They also had a combination of Elden Campbell and Shaq down low, with guys like Eddie Jones and Van Exel up top. Horry and Kersy, and Scott added depth to their bench in '97. Then in '99 they added Glen Rice and still lost. Campbell was a great low post threat if anyone remembers. Even Rick Fox was a 15-16 PPG threat prior coming to LA.

Shaq's titles and finals appearances come with the demise of the center position, NBA refs catering to his playing style, and him having one of the following:

Peak Kobe
Peak Penny
Peak Wade

Heck, then he played with peak LeBron and peak Nash. Honestly, is there another GOAT level player that played with as many peak level players as Shaq did? And that's not even counting the fact that he played with Rondo/KG/Pierce/Allen and in 2004 when he played alongside not only Kobe, but GP and Karl Malone!

So it is kind of ironic when people talk about Kobe having Shaq while ignoring Shaq's entire career.

[Hey Yo]

After helping and saving Shaq's butt getting those 3 Fmvp's, Kobe was 2 games short of winning 3 Fmvp's in a row himself. People in general just have more respect for Kobe's game and how he did it with or without Shaq. If you think shaq's better, cool but don't act like we're crazy, sucker.

Kobe kept LA from getting their 4th ring in 5yrs by selfishly choking in the 2004 Finals. Biggest upset in Finals history.

[Hey Yo]

Shaq's struggles in the 90s are often ignored. People forget he played on great teams with elite talent. The '95 and '96 Magic were a great example.

They had Shaq and Penny who were both MVP vote getters and All-NBA. In addition, people forget that guys like Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were both 20 PPG threats who took a backseat for Shaq and Penny. Add Horace Grant to the mix who came over from the previous year where he was an All-Star, All-Defensive 2nd Team, and a 3 time champion, and it made Orlando the closest thing we saw to a super-team from the 80s.

The Lakers had 4 All-Stars in 1998, winning 61 games, and did nothing with it. They also had a combination of Elden Campbell and Shaq down low, with guys like Eddie Jones and Van Exel up top. Horry and Kersy, and Scott added depth to their bench in '97. Then in '99 they added Glen Rice and still lost. Campbell was a great low post threat if anyone remembers. Even Rick Fox was a 15-16 PPG threat prior coming to LA.

Shaq's titles and finals appearances come with the demise of the center position, NBA refs catering to his playing style, and him having one of the following:

Peak Kobe
Peak Penny
Peak Wade

Heck, and then he played with peak LeBron and peak Nash. Honestly, is there another GOAT level player that played with as many peak level players as Shaq did? And that's not even counting the fact that he played with Rondo/KG/Pierce/Allen and in 2004 when he played alongside not only Kobe, but GP and Karl Malone!

So it is kind of ironic when people talk about Kobe having Shaq while ignoring Shaq's entire career.

Del Harris was a shitty coach for those late 90's Lakers. There's a reason why he never got another HC job.

[LAL]

Shaq's struggles in the 90s are often ignored. People forget he played on great teams with elite talent. The '95 and '96 Magic were a great example.

They had Shaq and Penny who were both MVP vote getters and All-NBA. In addition, people forget that guys like Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were both 20 PPG threats who took a backseat for Shaq and Penny. Add Horace Grant to the mix who came over from the previous year where he was an All-Star, All-Defensive 2nd Team, and a 3 time champion, and it made Orlando the closest thing we saw to a super-team from the 80s.

The Lakers had 4 All-Stars in 1998, winning 61 games, and did nothing with it. They also had a combination of Elden Campbell and Shaq down low, with guys like Eddie Jones and Van Exel up top. Horry and Kersy, and Scott added depth to their bench in '97. Then in '99 they added Glen Rice and still lost. Campbell was a great low post threat if anyone remembers. Even Rick Fox was a 15-16 PPG threat prior coming to LA.

Shaq's titles and finals appearances come with the demise of the center position, NBA refs catering to his playing style, and him having one of the following:

Peak Kobe
Peak Penny
Peak Wade

Heck, then he played with peak LeBron and peak Nash. Honestly, is there another GOAT level player that played with as many peak level players as Shaq did? And that's not even counting the fact that he played with Rondo/KG/Pierce/Allen and in 2004 when he played alongside not only Kobe, but GP and Karl Malone!

So it is kind of ironic when people talk about Kobe having Shaq while ignoring Shaq's entire career.

Yup! Shaq got spanked and swept by Hakeem, Mike and Karl. He was too busy making movies and rap albums, he was a MONSTER but lacked something. Then came Kobe.

[LAL]

Del Harris was a shitty coach for those late 90's Lakers. There's a reason why he never got another HC job.

Great post bro

[dankok8]

Shaq's struggles in the 90s are often ignored. People forget he played on great teams with elite talent. The '95 and '96 Magic were a great example.

They had Shaq and Penny who were both MVP vote getters and All-NBA. In addition, people forget that guys like Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were both 20 PPG threats who took a backseat for Shaq and Penny. Add Horace Grant to the mix who came over from the previous year where he was an All-Star, All-Defensive 2nd Team, and a 3 time champion, and it made Orlando the closest thing we saw to a super-team from the 80s.

The Lakers had 4 All-Stars in 1998, winning 61 games, and did nothing with it. They also had a combination of Elden Campbell and Shaq down low, with guys like Eddie Jones and Van Exel up top. Horry and Kersy, and Scott added depth to their bench in '97. Then in '99 they added Glen Rice and still lost. Campbell was a great low post threat if anyone remembers. Even Rick Fox was a 15-16 PPG threat prior coming to LA.

Shaq's titles and finals appearances come with the demise of the center position, NBA refs catering to his playing style, and him having one of the following:

Peak Kobe
Peak Penny
Peak Wade

Heck, then he played with peak LeBron and peak Nash. Honestly, is there another GOAT level player that played with as many peak level players as Shaq did? And that's not even counting the fact that he played with Rondo/KG/Pierce/Allen and in 2004 when he played alongside not only Kobe, but GP and Karl Malone!

So it is kind of ironic when people talk about Kobe having Shaq while ignoring Shaq's entire career.

Good post but calling them struggles is a bit harsh. Shaq played well in the 1995 Finals but lost to a peak Hakeem Olakuwon and the experienced Rockets. Then in 1996 lost to arguably the GOAT Bulls. Then in 1997 and 1998 lost to a really good Jazz team. Then in 1999 lost to the Champions Spurs with the Twin Towers. Shaq wasn't exactly losing to bad teams. And except maybe 1997 he didn't play poorly in these series. Not at a GOAT level but far from poorly.

On the other hand, Shaq does perhaps have a slightly overrated legacy. A lot of his GOAT credentials come from massacring bad East teams in those threepeat finals. He never not even in his peak dominated the Spurs and Blazers anywhere near the same way.

[WhiteKyrie]

That 2000 Pacer team wasn’t bad at all

[Kblaze8855]

Doesn’t sound right Shaq actually lasted longer as a good player than Kobe. Kobe fell apart at 34. Shaq was a justifiable all star on a good team at 36. Didn’t go how one would expect.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Oh what could have been if they could control their egos.

[Overdrive]

Shaq's struggles in the 90s are often ignored. People forget he played on great teams with elite talent. The '95 and '96 Magic were a great example.

They had Shaq and Penny who were both MVP vote getters and All-NBA. In addition, people forget that guys like Dennis Scott and Nick Anderson were both 20 PPG threats who took a backseat for Shaq and Penny. Add Horace Grant to the mix who came over from the previous year where he was an All-Star, All-Defensive 2nd Team, and a 3 time champion, and it made Orlando the closest thing we saw to a super-team from the 80s.

The Lakers had 4 All-Stars in 1998, winning 61 games, and did nothing with it. They also had a combination of Elden Campbell and Shaq down low, with guys like Eddie Jones and Van Exel up top. Horry and Kersy, and Scott added depth to their bench in '97. Then in '99 they added Glen Rice and still lost. Campbell was a great low post threat if anyone remembers. Even Rick Fox was a 15-16 PPG threat prior coming to LA.

Shaq's titles and finals appearances come with the demise of the center position, NBA refs catering to his playing style, and him having one of the following:

Peak Kobe
Peak Penny
Peak Wade

Heck, then he played with peak LeBron and peak Nash. Honestly, is there another GOAT level player that played with as many peak level players as Shaq did? And that's not even counting the fact that he played with Rondo/KG/Pierce/Allen and in 2004 when he played alongside not only Kobe, but GP and Karl Malone!

So it is kind of ironic when people talk about Kobe having Shaq while ignoring Shaq's entire career.

Shaq didn't play with 05-06 Nash, 07-08 Kobe or 09 Wade.

He did play with near peak Penny and near peak Kobe. He struggled but so did many greats before they broke through. Shaqs struggles usually happened against teams that won the conference. Other top 10 players struggled against way worse opposition.

The Magic were a well build team, but inexperienced. Give them 3 more years with these players, a good to great coach and Kobe might've been an afterthought historically.

Speaking of that. Shaq didn't play as well against teams that could double with two skilled C/PFs all game, but the whole team including Kobe fed of him always binding atleast two players. In case of the Spurs their two best players.

I loved the 98 Lakers, but these 4 all star spots weren't close to resemble the quality of these players compared to other teams.

Having Stockton and Malone with a well build team or Robinson/Duncan even as a rookie is definately better than 98 Kobe/Jones/NVE/Shaq.

[SouBeachTalents]

Doesn’t sound right Shaq actually lasted longer as a good player than Kobe. Kobe fell apart at 34. Shaq was a justifiable all star on a good team at 36. Didn’t go how one would expect.
Even if we go just by number of years as a superstar player, Shaq was one from roughly '93-'05 and Kobe was one from '01-'13. So Kobe has, at best, a miniscule advantage, and frankly had several seasons ('04, '05, '11, '12) during that timeframe that were worse than any of Shaq's.

Like I said earlier, this is arguably the biggest NBA myth going around right now.

Guys considered to have GOAT tier longevity
Kareem: 15x All-NBA
Duncan: 15x All-NBA
Malone: 14x All-NBA

Shaq: 14x All-NBA

[HoopsNY]

Shaq didn't play with 05-06 Nash, 07-08 Kobe or 09 Wade.

He did play with near peak Penny and near peak Kobe. He struggled but so did many greats before they broke through. Shaqs struggles usually happened against teams that won the conference. Other top 10 players struggled against way worse opposition.

2008 was probably the last year of Nash's peak. He put up 17/4/11/1 on 64% TS% (his second highest in his career). Most of the important advanced metrics from that year have him 4th or 5th for his career.

Sure, Wade's best year is arguably 2009, but that doesn't mean his peak began and ended there. I think most people would say Wade's peak began in 2006 where he averaged 27/6/7/2 on 50%, and then put up one of the greatest finals performances in league history. Shaq was on that team, lol.

You also left out peak LeBron in Cleveland and ignored that Amare was on the team with Shaq in Phoenix, too. Shaq shot 44% in the series against San Antonio, after putting up 59% in the regular season. Then made All-NBA and was an All-Star the following season where the team didn't even make the playoffs, granted, they did have a 46-36 record.

Kobe's 2007-10 years are widely regarded as his peak, but I'm not so sure about that, especially when in 2001, they put together a 15-1 record in the postseason where Kobe put up 29/7/6/2 on 47%. This is during the height of the defensive era as well so that has to be considered. The most important series in that playoffs for LA was against San Antonio. Kobe put up 33/7/7/2 on 57% TS%. He was the best player in that series.


The Magic were a well build team, but inexperienced. Give them 3 more years with these players, a good to great coach and Kobe might've been an afterthought historically.

Yea, but IIRC, they were the favorites going into the series despite the inexperience.


I loved the 98 Lakers, but these 4 all star spots weren't close to resemble the quality of these players compared to other teams.

Having Stockton and Malone with a well build team or Robinson/Duncan even as a rookie is definately better than 98 Kobe/Jones/NVE/Shaq.

My point isn't to say that those teams should have won every year. My point is that Shaq's casts are often overlooked. Was he a leader like Russell, MJ, LeBron, Magic, or Kobe? Was he a defensive stopper like Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, or Duncan?

We always hear about LeBron colluding with other players. We hear MJ's teams in the 90s were stacked. We hear Kareem needed a GOAT level player to win titles. We hear Kobe's legacy is overrated because of 3peating with Shaq, therefore Shaq is better. We hear Steph's legacy is overrated because of playing on stacked teams and being on a superteam with KD. We hear Russell played with 7 HOF'ers. We hear Wilt formed a superteam with West and Baylor, and Moses formed a superteam with Philly, as did KG with Boston alongside Pierce and Allen....

...but Shaq? He has no blemishes in his career. Isn't that kinda strange?

It's like the NBA refs didn't fix the 2002 WCF against Sacramento.

It's like Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson, and then the entire Blazers organization didn't complain about the NBA fixing games or how they called fouls for Shaq.

It's like Daughtery, Zo, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, Radja, Smits, Mutombo, etc didn't succumb to old age, injury, or retirement, giving Shaq a free rein.

It's like the Lakers didn't form a superteam in 2004 with the expectations of them winning it all, only to lose to Detroit in 5.

I could go on and on, but the point is what it is. This doesn't mean Shaq wasn't a great player, but I do find the scrutiny to be far less when it comes to him as opposed to other GOAT level players.

[Lebron23]

Lakers 3-Peat Finals averages: Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 59.5%. Kobe Bryant: 22.0 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.1 APG, 42.5%.

[Lebron23]

Scottie Pippens finals stats from 1991-93 21/8/7 47 FG%

[KNOW1EDGE]

Shaq is the most dominant player I’ve ever witnessed. The strength and athleticism was just unstoppable. He’s def what carried those LA teams to 3 straight championships.

[RRR3]

2008 was probably the last year of Nash's peak. He put up 17/4/11/1 on 64% TS% (his second highest in his career). Most of the important advanced metrics from that year have him 4th or 5th for his career.

Sure, Wade's best year is arguably 2009, but that doesn't mean his peak began and ended there. I think most people would say Wade's peak began in 2006 where he averaged 27/6/7/2 on 50%, and then put up one of the greatest finals performances in league history. Shaq was on that team, lol.

You also left out peak LeBron in Cleveland and ignored that Amare was on the team with Shaq in Phoenix, too. Shaq shot 44% in the series against San Antonio, after putting up 59% in the regular season. Then made All-NBA and was an All-Star the following season where the team didn't even make the playoffs, granted, they did have a 46-36 record.

Kobe's 2007-10 years are widely regarded as his peak, but I'm not so sure about that, especially when in 2001, they put together a 15-1 record in the postseason where Kobe put up 29/7/6/2 on 47%. This is during the height of the defensive era as well so that has to be considered. The most important series in that playoffs for LA was against San Antonio. Kobe put up 33/7/7/2 on 57% TS%. He was the best player in that series.



Yea, but IIRC, they were the favorites going into the series despite the inexperience.



My point isn't to say that those teams should have won every year. My point is that Shaq's casts are often overlooked. Was he a leader like Russell, MJ, LeBron, Magic, or Kobe? Was he a defensive stopper like Wilt, Russell, Hakeem, or Duncan?

We always hear about LeBron colluding with other players. We hear MJ's teams in the 90s were stacked. We hear Kareem needed a GOAT level player to win titles. We hear Kobe's legacy is overrated because of 3peating with Shaq, therefore Shaq is better. We hear Steph's legacy is overrated because of playing on stacked teams and being on a superteam with KD. We hear Russell played with 7 HOF'ers. We hear Wilt formed a superteam with West and Baylor, and Moses formed a superteam with Philly, as did KG with Boston alongside Pierce and Allen....

...but Shaq? He has no blemishes in his career. Isn't that kinda strange?

It's like the NBA refs didn't fix the 2002 WCF against Sacramento.

It's like Ray Allen, Glenn Robinson, and then the entire Blazers organization didn't complain about the NBA fixing games or how they called fouls for Shaq.

It's like Daughtery, Zo, Hakeem, Ewing, Robinson, Mourning, Radja, Smits, Mutombo, etc didn't succumb to old age, injury, or retirement, giving Shaq a free rein.

It's like the Lakers didn't form a superteam in 2004 with the expectations of them winning it all, only to lose to Detroit in 5.

I could go on and on, but the point is what it is. This doesn't mean Shaq wasn't a great player, but I do find the scrutiny to be far less when it comes to him as opposed to other GOAT level players.
Shaq was washed up when he played with LeBron I don’t think it’s fair to list him playing with LeBron and not winning as a failure on his part. It would be like saying George Gervin didn’t win with MJ

[Lebron23]

BUMP for Kenny

[Lebron23]

And people were saying Kobe was capable of winning multiple titles if he was the first scoring option of the Hornets.

[SouBeachTalents]

And people were saying Kobe was capable of winning multiple titles if he was the first scoring option of the Hornets.
Nobody said this, you just make things up, like when you claimed people thought Stockton was better than Curry or that Dwight scored 84 points in Taiwan.

[Lebron23]

Nobody said this, you just make things up, like when you claimed people thought Stockton was better than Curry or that Dwight scored 84 points in Taiwan.

Just stfu you piece of $hit. F*ck you

[FKAri]

Just stfu you piece of $hit. F*ck you

:roll:

Are you worried that chat-GPT has made you obsolete as a poster?

[Lebron23]

:roll:

Are you worried that chat-GPT has made you obsolete as a poster?

Still afraid to posts in your real account?? Insidehoops sucks anyway 80 percent of the posters here never play basketball just like you. You are so pathetic posting in this account. F*cking $hit most of the posters here are out of shape.

[Lebron23]

Nobody said this, you just make things up, like when you claimed people thought Stockton was better than Curry or that Dwight scored 84 points in Taiwan.

https://media.tenor.com/UAYmSIxJwHYAAAAC/brock-lesnar-middle-finger.gif

[FKAri]

https://media.tenor.com/UAYmSIxJwHYAAAAC/brock-lesnar-middle-finger.gif

You already responded to that post mate

[sbw19]

Pretty much the only stat Laker fans care about is five titles. Sides, not like we had a cakewalk to the finals during those days. Shaq was established at the time and the team built around him. But it was apparent since his first finals appearance that Kobe was a winner and not afraid of the moment. Safe to say his won't be topped as the greatest Laker career anytime soon.

[Lebron23]

Pretty much the only stat Laker fans care about is five titles. Sides, not like we had a cakewalk to the finals during those days. Shaq was established at the time and the team built around him. But it was apparent since his first finals appearance that Kobe was a winner and not afraid of the moment. Safe to say his won't be topped as the greatest Laker career anytime soon.

That's why Kobe is not a top 10 player of all time. His first 3 NBA titles were 2nd option rings. He was better than Pippen or Havlicek who also won rings as 2nd scoring option.

[BigShotBob]

That's why Kobe is not a top 10 player of all time. His first 3 NBA titles were 2nd option rings. He was better than Pippen or Havlicek who also won rings as 2nd scoring option.

Kobe was injured in the first Finals purposefully but I guess you wasn't watching basketball back then

[Lebron23]

Kobe was injured in the first Finals purposefully but I guess you wasn't watching basketball back then

I was 14 in the 2000 NBA Finals. Austin Croshere averaged more points than Kobe

[Overdrive]

Still afraid to posts in your real account?? Insidehoops sucks anyway 80 percent of the posters here never play basketball just like you. You are so pathetic posting in this account. F*cking $hit most of the posters here are out of shape.

Like playing basketball in some pinoy slum gives you any credibility on your NBA takes. Takes that are either completely obvious or just stupid af.

[Axe]

Kobe was injured in the first Finals purposefully but I guess you wasn't watching basketball back then
He had his chances in being named the finals mvp over shaq but it never happened at all.

[Overdrive]

He had his chances in being named the finals mvp over shaq but it never happened at all.

Especially since Kobe never came close to scoring 38 ppg in the finals. He scored 38 or above in finals twice...

[Johnny32]

Shaq didnt have longevity I think

myth

[Johnny32]

Shaq and Kobe in the 2004 Finals summed up:

https://images4.imagebam.com/e0/a4/e2/MEFNAZ4_o.gif

https://images4.imagebam.com/e1/b1/90/MEFNB1B_o.gif

lol why did this guy get banned?

[Johnny32]

BUMP for Kenny

another good poster banned.

[Lebron23]

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In Shaq last finals MVP zone defense became legal in the NBA, but he still dominated Jason Kidd's New Jersey Nets. Shaquille O'Neal averaged 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG. He doesn't need a 3 pointer to dominate the game. Shaq is probably going to be a good 3 points shooter if he was born in 2003 instead of being born in 1972. His GM is going to surround him with 3 points shooters just like what the Nuggets did to Jokic.

[Lebron23]

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[WhiteKyrie]

Scottie Pippens finals stats from 1991-93 21/8/7 47 FG%

00 - 02 Kobe
22.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 4.6 apg - 43%

11 - 13 Wade
22.9 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 5 apg - 49%

96 - 98 Pippen
17.1 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 4.5 apg - 39%

Ranking sidekicks Finals stats

1) 11 - 13 Wade
2) 91 - 93 Pippen
3) 00 - 02 Kobe
4) 96 - 98 Pippen

If we include playoff stats, Kobe would be much higher and probably top the list. Then Wade then both three peat versions of Pippen. If I had to guess.

[Wally450]

Shaq literally admitted during the sit down interview that the reason they won was because of Kobe.

I still think Shaq was the main reason they won, but to not give credit to Kobe is being disingenuous.

[Lebron23]

Shaq was better than Kobe in the Conference and NBA Finals when they both played together.

[3ba11]

Shaq and Kobe's NBA Finals stats during their three-peat ����

Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG

Kobe Bryant: 22.0 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.2 BPG

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I don't understand why the stupid media ranked Kobe over Shaq. Shaq was better than Kobe when both played for the Lakers.


Kobe was #1 option vs Spurs in 01', 03' and 04' (2-1 record) and of course 08'

So Kobe was #1 option against the top comp.. He was also arguably the #1 option in 2001and 2002 based on his performance vs top comp (Spurs, kings), while also setting the record for clutch-time scoring in the 2000 playoffs and leading those playoffs in 4th quarter scoring as well.

Essentially, Shaq needed more help because he needed goat closers or MJ-like players in Wade or Kobe, while Kobe won with just Pau (1x all-star before joining Kobe)

Btw, if the Finals stats in the OP were meant to show that Shaq carried Kobe, then Jordan and Pippen's stats show a complete caravan of carrying and rockabye baby

[StrongLurk]

Everyone knows Shaq was better than Kobe during those championship runs, especially 2000. Replace Kobe in 2000 with AI, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, Vince Carter, etc. and Shaq still wins the chip that year.

[tpols]

Everyone knows Shaq was better than Kobe during those championship runs, especially 2000. Replace Kobe in 2000 with AI, Gary Payton, Grant Hill, Vince Carter, etc. and Shaq still wins the chip that year.

Even in 2000... that's not certain at all.

The Lakers were down 15 points in the 4th quarter of game 7 in the WCFs.

Kobe played as good as any of those guys in that series and they won by a hair. The trailblazers missed I believe 13 straight shots.

Everybody tends to look at things as if the Finals were all that matters in this situation but LAs toughest tests were out West.

There is no Finals with Shaq dunking on bum frontcourts without them beating the competition that actually challenged them beforehand.

[3ba11]

Kobe > Shaq because he needed less help to win - Shaq needed MJ-like sidekicks while Kobe needed Pau (1x all-star)

Btw, Kobe's stats in the 2000 Playoffs and Finals includes being 1st option over Shaq in the high-leverage minutes like 4th quarter and clutch-time, so Kobe's stats are far superior to Pippen's transition and system points in low-leverage times of the game.. Pippen was unguarded because his low peak capability of 20 transition or system points wasn't a threat and occurred in low-leverage minutes - he did literally nothing in high-leverage minutes because he had the lowest 4th quarter and clutch stats of any star EVER - this is fact - Pippen was completely unavailable in the 4th quarter and clutch-time - he was just an athlete and transition player - not a good scorer or go-to player, so his "system" stats don't compare to go-to players like Wade or Kobe - Wade and Kobe were "1b's" that could get elite stats and dominate, while Pippen wasn't even a 2nd option except alongside MJ and wasn't capable of dominating an NBA basketball game.

[IllegalD]

Exactly, this pinoy shrimp-seller is pretending like Kobe didn't win back-to-back with Gasol (a great, HOF player, but a way lesser player than what Shaq proved he could win with, since he needed Kobe and then Wade). Also, Shaq never manged to win as "the man" without Kobe despite playing with Penny, Wade, Nick Van Exel, Eddie Jones, etc.

[Axe]

Kobe was just too young to lead the team bt, that's why the hof zenmaster told him to save that moment once he got older. Also other players, whether teammates or rivals, didn't fear him that much during that time unlike shaq who was big and scary af whenever he got mad. And that made him the veteran alpha of the team when they were still together.

[Jasper]

Shaq and Kobe's NBA Finals stats during their three-peat 😲🔥

Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG

Kobe Bryant: 22.0 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.2 BPG

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I don't understand why the stupid media ranked Kobe over Shaq. Shaq was better than Kobe when both played for the Lakers.

u and I know , that is enough.

[Soundwave]

Shaq has said after getting swept and embarrassed by Houston in the 95 Finals he vowed to run his numbers up in subsequent Finals, so that does sorta explain that.

Kobe could've averaged more but he deferred to Shaq.

But it's not like peak Shaq is some bum either, peak Shaq is maybe the most dominant player in the modern NBA outside of a peak Jordan. So there's no real shame in being a no.2 to that.

[Soundwave]

Shaq was clearly the no.1 option in the 2000 run, but after that it becomes much more of a split partnership:

2001:
Round 1 Vs Portland: Kobe 25 ppg, Shaq 27 ppg
Round 2 Vs Sacramento: Kobe 35 ppg, Shaq 33 ppg
Round 3 Vs San Antonio: Kobe 33 ppg, Shaq 27 ppg
Round 4 Finals Vs Nets: Kobe 24.6 ppg, Shaq 33 ppg

2002 playoffs:
Round 1 Portland: Kobe 26 ppg, Shaq 25.7 ppg
Round 2 San Anotonio: Kobe 26 ppg Shaq 21.4 ppg
Round 3 Sacramento: Kobe: 27.1 ppg Shaq: 30.3 ppg
Round 4 Finals NJ Nets: Kobe 26.3 ppg Shaq 36.3 ppg

2003 playoffs
Round 1 Minny: Kobe 31.8 ppg Shaq: 28.7 ppg
Round 2 San Antonio: Kobe 32.3 ppg Shaq: 25.3 ppg

2004 playoffs
Round 1 Houston: Kobe 24.4 ppg Shaq 16.2 ppg
Round 2 San Antonio: Kobe 26.3 ppg Shaq 22.5 ppg
Round 3 Minny: Kobe 24.3 ppg Shaq 20.7 ppg
Round Finals Detroit: Kobe 22.6 ppg Shaq 26.6 ppg

2004 Finals wasn't Kobe's proudest moment, awful shooting percentage but he was also a gamer against arguably the Lakers top competition, having better series' against San Antonio than Shaq did and about even against Sacramento. After the 2000 Finals, Shaq + Kobe played in 14 more playoff series' together, Kobe was the leading scorer for the Lakers in 9/14 series.

People just probably need to accept Shaq + Kobe was a special 1-2 combo where they were both good enough to be the no.1 option and both are top 10-15 players, the only thing close to that was Magic + Kareem and maybe Steph + Durant.

[Legend248]

Shaq was clearly the no.1 option in the 2000 run, but after that it becomes much more of a split partnership:

2001:
Round 1 Vs Portland: Kobe 25 ppg, Shaq 27 ppg
Round 2 Vs Sacramento: Kobe 35 ppg, Shaq 33 ppg
Round 3 Vs San Antonio: Kobe 33 ppg, Shaq 27 ppg
Round 4 Finals Vs Nets: Kobe 24.6 ppg, Shaq 33 ppg

2002 playoffs:
Round 1 Portland: Kobe 26 ppg, Shaq 25.7 ppg
Round 2 San Anotonio: Kobe 26 ppg Shaq 21.4 ppg
Round 3 Sacramento: Kobe: 27.1 ppg Shaq: 30.3 ppg
Round 4 Finals NJ Nets: Kobe 26.3 ppg Shaq 36.3 ppg

2003 playoffs
Round 1 Minny: Kobe 31.8 ppg Shaq: 28.7 ppg
Round 2 San Antonio: Kobe 32.3 ppg Shaq: 25.3 ppg

2004 playoffs
Round 1 Houston: Kobe 24.4 ppg Shaq 16.2 ppg
Round 2 San Antonio: Kobe 26.3 ppg Shaq 22.5 ppg
Round 3 Minny: Kobe 24.3 ppg Shaq 20.7 ppg
Round Finals Detroit: Kobe 22.6 ppg Shaq 26.6 ppg

2004 Finals wasn't Kobe's proudest moment, awful shooting percentage but he was also a gamer against arguably the Lakers top competition, having better series' against San Antonio than Shaq did and about even against Sacramento. After the 2000 Finals, Shaq + Kobe played in 14 more playoff series' together, Kobe was the leading scorer for the Lakers in 9/14 series.

People just probably need to accept Shaq + Kobe was a special 1-2 combo where they were both good enough to be the no.1 option and both are top 10-15 players, the only thing close to that was Magic + Kareem and maybe Steph + Durant.

Lebron23 the flying ****** will ignore this post.....**** you and your ****ing family

[StrongLurk]

Even in 2000... that's not certain at all.

The Lakers were down 15 points in the 4th quarter of game 7 in the WCFs.

Kobe played as good as any of those guys in that series and they won by a hair. The trailblazers missed I believe 13 straight shots.

Everybody tends to look at things as if the Finals were all that matters in this situation but LAs toughest tests were out West.

There is no Finals with Shaq dunking on bum frontcourts without them beating the competition that actually challenged them beforehand.

It is absolutely certain. Shaq was head and shoulders above everyone all year in 2000. Kobe was obviously a good player in 2000, but the other players I listed could absolutely replace him that year. It's not a diss to Kobe, it's just Shaq was that ****ing good.

So it's misleading to say Shaq NEEDED Kobe to win on the Lakers. He could've won with some other sidekick in 2000 for sure. Considering the Lakers went 16-1 in the 2001 playoffs...he could've won with a lesser player than Kobe then as well. Of course it would've been harder to win.

[Axe]

Shaq has said after getting swept and embarrassed by Houston in the 95 Finals he vowed to run his numbers up in subsequent Finals, so that does sorta explain that.

Kobe could've averaged more but he deferred to Shaq.

But it's not like peak Shaq is some bum either, peak Shaq is maybe the most dominant player in the modern NBA outside of a peak Jordan. So there's no real shame in being a no.2 to that.
Only happened because he was forced to as shaq was the focal point of the triangle offense since phil jackson told so but that doesn't mean that kobe wanted to. And there came a time where the latter said he's already of being a sidekick, so...

[Lebron23]

Shaq has said after getting swept and embarrassed by Houston in the 95 Finals he vowed to run his numbers up in subsequent Finals, so that does sorta explain that.

Kobe could've averaged more but he deferred to Shaq.

But it's not like peak Shaq is some bum either, peak Shaq is maybe the most dominant player in the modern NBA outside of a peak Jordan. So there's no real shame in being a no.2 to that.

That is BS. The late Kobe is a terrible finals performer. the worst finals performer among the top 15 players of all time.

[Axe]

Only happened because he was forced to as shaq was the focal point of the triangle offense since phil jackson told so but that doesn't mean that kobe wanted to. And there came a time where the latter said he's already tired of being a sidekick, so...
Ftp

[IllegalD]

That is BS. The late Kobe is a terrible finals performer. the worst finals performer among the top 15 players of all time.

STFU you shrimp-selling, pinoy, boy-lady.

Every time you make a post about Kobe it just REEKS of insecurity. It must trigger you every time a player comes out and says that Kobe belongs in the GOAT convo and they rank him above LeBron.

Cry about it, Louie. And say hi to your sister for me. I got some Jolibee's spaghetti she can eat out of my ass.

[ILLsmak]

Shaq stats during their three-peat 😲🔥

Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG



Eat shit Shaq haters.

Edit:


STFU you shrimp-selling, pinoy, boy-lady.

Every time you make a post about Kobe it just REEKS of insecurity. It must trigger you every time a player comes out and says that Kobe belongs in the GOAT convo and they rank him above LeBron.

Cry about it, Louie. And say hi to your sister for me. I got some Jolibee's spaghetti she can eat out of my ass.

holy shit I haven't seen you in a min, sup haha.

ALSO CHILL.

-Smak

[Lebron23]

STFU you shrimp-selling, pinoy, boy-lady.

Every time you make a post about Kobe it just REEKS of insecurity. It must trigger you every time a player comes out and says that Kobe belongs in the GOAT convo and they rank him above LeBron.

Cry about it, Louie. And say hi to your sister for me. I got some Jolibee's spaghetti she can eat out of my ass.

You can suck my dick little man

[Axe]

You can suck my dick little man
:roll:

[Lebron23]

Bump for the kobetards