Use Me as a Test

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1319958/pg1


“Those of you who think the vaccine kills people can use me as a test. If I die, you were right. If I don’t die, and have no ill effects, you were wrong, and should admit it (at least to yourselves). Better yet, you should admit that you were misled, and tell the world who misled you, so other people can benefit by avoiding those fearmongers.”

https://i0.wp.com/www.techarp.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Doug-Brignole-vaccine-post.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

Don't worry, I'm sure however he died had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine.

[BigKobeFan]

I saw that 3 days ago. Hahahah

[Patrick Chewing]

Yikes. That's crazy if true.


DO NOT get vaccinated.

[Off the Court]

Don't worry, I'm sure however he died had absolutely nothing to do vaccine.

I am too.

[Off the Court]

Bringing up isolated deaths is meaningless. If you are out to prove that the vaccine kills everyone then you need to show a meaningful rise in overall death rate. Specifically heart related.

[Off the Court]

Yikes. That's crazy if true.


DO NOT get vaccinated.

You're vaccinated.

[Patrick Chewing]

You're vaccinated.

I know. I was there.

[SATAN]

Bringing up isolated deaths is meaningless. If you are out to prove that the vaccine kills everyone then you need to show a meaningful rise in overall death rate. Specifically heart related.

I don't know anyone at all that has died since having the vaccine.

[Off the Court]

I know. I was there.
Let's use you as a test. If you die then team anti-vax gets one point.

[Off the Court]

I don't know anyone at all that has died since having the vaccine.

I know hundreds of people who got vaccinated and I haven't been to a funeral recently.

[Patrick Chewing]

Let's use you as a test. If you die then team anti-vax gets one point.

I'm sure you want me dead because that's how Democrats operate. You guys really do wish your opponents would die. But I'm not dying any time soon. I have to see those tears flow again in 2024 when Trump is Re-Elected.

[Off the Court]

I'm sure you want me dead because that's how Democrats operate. You guys really do wish your opponents would die. But I'm not dying any time soon. I have to see those tears flow again in 2024 when Trump is Re-Elected.

You're the only one that regularly wishes for death here. Oh well I guess Doomsy too for anyone that was vaccinated.

[Patrick Chewing]

You're the only one that regularly wishes for death here. Oh well I guess Doomsy too for anyone that was vaccinated.

Wrong as usual. What I do is I challenge these keyboard warriors on here and promise them a quick death if they want to run their mouth outside of the safe confines of their parent's basement.

I don't make wishes. I make promises.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Well this is all the “proof” I need to know for sure that vaccines kill people.

Before the vaccine nobody ever died. Now people are dying.

WAKE UP YOU SHEEP!!

[SouBeachTalents]

Well this is all the “proof” I need to know for sure that vaccines kill people.

Before the vaccine nobody ever died. Now people are dying.

WAKE UP YOU SHEEP!!
I used to think the anti-vax talk was all bullshit, but this one death out of the 265 million who took the vaccine is a rather concerning story.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Well this is all the “proof” I need to know for sure that vaccines kill people.

Before the vaccine nobody ever died. Now people are dying.

WAKE UP YOU SHEEP!!


You remember that one scene in Pulp Fiction?:

https://media.tenor.com/mpSXeLNwUScAAAAC/pulp-fiction-winston-wolfe.gif

That's what you vaccine supporters are doing... you're celebrating a little too early.




Some doctors & scientists have a difference of opinion... ask yourself why you are so quick to discredit their research?

I'm not rooting for death here... I'm rooting for some of you to have a open mind that maybe the vaccine isn't as safe as you once thought.


Here's one of the many thousands of examples I can provide:

https://doctors4covidethics.org/vascular-and-organ-damage-induced-by-mrna-vaccines-irrefutable-proof-of-causality/





BTW.... where did the virus originate?

[JohnnySic]

Its been proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the vaccine is useless as far as positive effects, and there's strong indications that it might actually be harmful. If you still doubt that at this point, tit means that:

1.) you are being stubborn

or

2.) your parents were brother and sister.

[Off the Court]

Its been proven beyond all reasonable doubt that the vaccine is useless as far as positive effects, and there's strong indications that it might actually be harmful. If you still doubt that at this point, tit means that:

1.) you are being stubborn

or

2.) your parents were brother and sister.
https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/01/10/briefing/11-MORNING-DEATHS-CHART/11-MORNING-DEATHS-CHART-mobileMasterAt3x-v4.png


You're both 1&2

[Off the Court]

I used to think the anti-vax talk was all bullshit, but this one death out of the 265 million who took the vaccine is a rather concerning story.

The vaccinated have a million covid deaths to back them up

Anti-vaxxers have one roided out man in his 60s. Who also probably died of covid :oldlol:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Yikes. That's crazy if true.


DO NOT get vaccinated.

You are a hypocrite.

By getting vaccinated you are admitting Biden won the presidential election.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/01/10/briefing/11-MORNING-DEATHS-CHART/11-MORNING-DEATHS-CHART-mobileMasterAt3x-v4.png



And who's stats are these? Pfizer's?

[Off the Court]

And who's stats are these? Pfizer's?

All hospitals reported stats similar to that. Here is the state that you live in:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJo85mHX0AQw0rM.jpg

If you have finally come around to accepting the fact that not all doctors are liberals in on a mass conspiracy you should come to the realization that the vaccine did work and saved lives.

[Off the Court]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E-Sd-1QWUAANphA.jpg

https://gray-wistv-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/UCOyygVE9n2vtrESl8NtP1rORCA=/980x0/smart/filters:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/3L6EAJVC3VGVHPETS5HWD6VV7E.png

https://www.bnd.com/latest-news/7k8g78/picture253747753/alternates/FREE_1140/239931157_2287002528102556_6201640620654257065_n.p ng

[Patrick Chewing]

This pathetic guy Off the Court has these charts and graphs on standby on his computer apparently :facepalm

[Off the Court]

This pathetic guy Off the Court has these charts and graphs on standby on his computer apparently :facepalm

You mean google?

Those charts show that there is a chance the vaccine you took kept you off of a ventilator. Why root against your own vaccine? :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

You mean google?

Those charts show that there is a chance the vaccine you took kept you off of a ventilator. Why root against your own vaccine? :oldlol:

Listen, I said my prayers and took my vitamins and that's what fought off Covid when I got it last October. I've been immune to Covid ever since. I felt sicker and weaker when I got the original two vaccine shots. You spread lies and falsehoods. My body, my choice. You need to respect that.

[Off the Court]

Listen, I said my prayers and took my vitamins and that's what fought off Covid when I got it last October. I've been immune to Covid ever since. I felt sicker and weaker when I got the original two vaccine shots. You spread lies and falsehoods. My body, my choice. You need to respect that.
I don't care if you vaccinate or not.

You aren't immune if you got it 1 year ago that's not how it works. It's like the flu, new strains, immunity doesn't last that long through catching or covid or through the vaccine. Just 6-8 months or so. Currently covid is really weak though and I believe it is fading out like the Spanish flu did.

[bladefd]

You mean google?

Those charts show that there is a chance the vaccine you took kept you off of a ventilator. Why root against your own vaccine? :oldlol:

Because they are f*cking idiots.

They are also too stupid to realize that COVID has changed since the original strain (alpha) and delta.

It's all a conspiracy to these idiots. Notice how they tend to be conservative Republicans and typically Trump bootlickers.

[Patrick Chewing]

Because they are f*cking idiots.

They are also too stupid to realize that COVID has changed since the original strain (alpha) and delta.

It's all a conspiracy to these idiots. Notice how they tend to be conservative Republicans and typically Trump bootlickers.

Yeah, it's weaker. Which means our own immune system can handle these weaker strains. Herd immunity was always the best defense to Covid. Your body is probably so polluted with vaccinations that your blood has probably turned into a bright green color. You're a mutant now.

[jstern]

Because they are f*cking idiots.

They are also too stupid to realize that COVID has changed since the original strain (alpha) and delta.

It's all a conspiracy to these idiots. Notice how they tend to be conservative Republicans and typically Trump bootlickers.

Why don't you call them Trumpeters anymore? I rather you use that term.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I used to think the anti-vax talk was all bullshit, but this one death out of the 265 million who took the vaccine is a rather concerning story.

I don’t think the vaccine is very effective. I wish I hadn’t got it, but I did, and I never got covid, and I’m alive. (For now) I don’t know anyone who died from covid, and I don’t know anyone who has mysteriously dropped dead after taking the vaccine.

Is it possible the vaccine caused this particular man to drop dead? Sure it is.

Is there any proof whatsoever that the vaccine caused this man to randomly die? No there is not.

Random people in perfect health suddenly die all the time, this isn’t some new revelation post covid vaccines.

Like some of you are saying, “have an open mind” -you all have no clue why this man died, just admit it, it’s fine.

[Off the Court]

I don’t think the vaccine is very effective. I wish I hadn’t got it, but I did, and I never got covid, and I’m alive. (For now) .

Sounds like it was effective to me. :confusedshrug:

[KNOW1EDGE]

Sounds like it was effective to me. :confusedshrug:

Use your critical thinking skills for a few minutes.

Does me getting the vaccine and then not getting covid/dying prove the vaccine is effective? Hint: No it doesn’t.

Just like this man dying doesn’t prove the vaccine killed him.

You can’t have it both ways bud. Use your critical thinking skills.

[Off the Court]

Use your critical thinking skills for a few minutes.

Does me getting the vaccine and then not getting covid/dying prove the vaccine is effective? Hint: No it doesn’t.

Just like this man dying doesn’t prove the vaccine killed him.

You can’t have it both ways bud. Use your critical thinking skills.

It did what it was supposed to do, gave you the desired outcome, and suggests that it could have been very effective.

Unlike old man in the OP, you got what you were supposed to get and you had the same results as millions of others. Which is much more suggestive.

[KNOW1EDGE]

It did what it was supposed to do, gave you the desired outcome, and suggests that it could have been very effective.

Unlike old man in the OP, you got what you were supposed to get and you had the same results as millions of others. Which is much more suggestive.

Ok so you lack critical thinking skills. No need for us to go back and forth.

[SATAN]

You don't understand what he's implying.

[Off the Court]

No he doesn't.

That's why I said on the first page that one single instance means nothing. There needs to be a meaningful rise in overall heart related deaths. It's not even that simple either because if there is a rise it could be covid giving people long term side effects and not the vaccine. Or both covid and the vaccine.

[bladefd]

Yeah, it's weaker. Which means our own immune system can handle these weaker strains. Herd immunity was always the best defense to Covid. Your body is probably so polluted with vaccinations that your blood has probably turned into a bright green color. You're a mutant now.

The vaccine leaves your body within a couple of weeks max. It's your immune system that learns how to fight the disease, and that learning stays.

[KNOW1EDGE]

That's why I said on the first page that one single instance means nothing.

Brother you are proving my point for me.

One man dying after getting the covid vaccine does not mean the covid vaccine killed him the SAME EXACT way me getting the vaccine and not catching covid/dying doesn’t prove the vaccine is effective.

It’s not hard to comprehend AT ALL

[Off the Court]

Brother you are proving my point for me.

One man dying after getting the covid vaccine does not mean the covid vaccine killed him the SAME EXACT way me getting the vaccine and not catching covid/dying doesn’t prove the vaccine is effective.

It’s not hard to comprehend AT ALL
Unlike the man in the OP the masses share your story including myself. Millions of people. And that's ignoring all the hospital data some of which I posted in here.

Those trying to prove that the vaccine kills need to show that on a mass level. You don't because it's already been done.

[Nanners]

80+ year olds with multiple medical conditions die after "testing positive" for covid - "omg this is the most dangerous virus of all time everyone needs to get vaxxed to stop the spread"

young man dies of heart problems shortly after getting vaxxinated - "you dont know that the virtually untested novel MRNA treatment caused that death"... despite the fact that there is a steadily increasing body of scientific evidence showing that the MRNA injection increases risk of heart problems for young men (not to mention the fact that its been proven virtually useless against covid, which is supposedly its entire purpose)

[Doomsday Dallas]

despite the fact that there is a steadily increasing body of scientific evidence showing that the MRNA injection increases risk of heart problems for young men


Did you read this OTC?

or this just something that is extremely rare and not worth commenting on?



Yea... millions of people took the mRNA vaccine... and maybe it helped fight off covid.... but are there long term heath studies that suggest there will be no health risks associated with the vaccine down the road?

Those studies (not to mention whistle blowers)... now that some time has passed, are starting to come to light... but I wouldn't expect this to be the top headline on CNN anytime soon.

btw... do you still think the virus came from a dirty fish market?

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html


CDC and its partners are actively monitoring reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination. Active monitoring includes reviewing data and medical records and evaluating the relationship to COVID-19 vaccination.

Updated Sept. 27, 2022



This is straight from the CDC... looks like they are still conducting more research. Who would've ever thought more research would need to be conducted?

[Nanners]

Did you read this OTC?

or this just something that is extremely rare and not worth commenting on?



Yea... millions of people took the mRNA vaccine... and maybe it helped fight off covid.... but are there long term heath studies that suggest there will be no health risks associated with the vaccine down the road?

Its not that rare, its common enough that it has been proven statistically (unlike the effectiveness of the MRNA shot). Its common enough that countries like Denmark are starting to put outright bans on giving the shot to people under 18


btw... do you still think the virus came from a dirty fish market?

LOL... I thought we were supposed to believe it came from someone eating bat soup or something?

IMO its blatantly obvious that the virus was engineered (or am I supposed to believe that it was a chinese bat that put a 19 allele gene sequence patented by moderna in 2017 directly into the virus?)

proof - https://arkmedic.substack.com/p/how-to-blast-your-way-to-the-truth

[Off the Court]

The vaccine has now gone through and passed all of the guidelines that every other drug has passed in the US. Show me the drugs that got 40-year long term studies before being released. I promise you that in your life time you have ingested countless chemicals and ingredients through either food or medicine that never went through long term trials. But here you are obsessing over one that you never even took! You didn't take the vaccine so why are you worried about it? If you are worried about the general population dying of heart related issues then you need to take your motives to the deep red south and tell them to stop eating fast food.

https://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/maps/images/hd_all.jpg?_=17327


Every 34 seconds a hillbilly dies after eating his super-sized triple double melt but here you are obsessing on one body builder.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hmm another college football players dies mysteriously.

[Off the Court]

Hmm another college football players dies mysteriously.
An 18 year old white boy from Mississippi? I'd say his odds of being vaccinated are slim to none.

And when it shows he was unvaccinated people should realize that this has been happening since the birth of sports because people are born with heart related conditions without knowing. That is what SADS is.

[Patrick Chewing]

An 18 year old white boy from Mississippi? I'd say his odds of being vaccinated are slim to none.

And when it shows he was unvaccinated people should realize that this has been happening since the birth of sports because people are born with heart related conditions without knowing. That is what SADS is.

He plays college football. There is no doubt he was MANDATED to get the vaccine.

[Off the Court]

He plays college football. There is no doubt he was MANDATED to get the vaccine.

Yeah right, in Mississippi high school? There are unvaccinated NFL players they just had to covid test every week.

[Off the Court]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_cardiac_death_of_athletes

Here is a long list of athletes that have suddenly dropped dead over the years. And those are just the professionals. It has always happened.

And as mentioned earlier, if there is a spike? How do we know it isn't covid side effects?

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah right, in Mississippi high school? There are unvaccinated NFL players they just had to covid test every week.

Just an accept the fact that there have been an unusual amount of collegiate athlete deaths over the last year. Not trying to make a connection cause God knows you'll flip a lid seeing as you're balls deep into Big Pharma, but I'm just acknowledging that it's very suspicious considering the limited amount of data we have surrounding the vaccines and their deaths.

[Off the Court]

Just an accept the fact that there have been an unusual amount of collegiate athlete deaths over the last year. Not trying to make a connection cause God knows you'll flip a lid seeing as you're balls deep into Big Pharma, but I'm just acknowledging that it's very suspicious considering the limited amount of data we have surrounding the vaccines and their deaths.

Who are the others?

[Off the Court]

Cardiac Arrest a Leading Cause of College Athlete Death (https://www.athleticbusiness.com/operations/programming/news/15155259/cardiac-arrest-a-leading-cause-of-college-athlete-death)

This article is from 2018, well before covid


The fatal collapse of a University of Maine football player during a workout in July was the result of a rare medical tragedy that is the No. 1 nontraumatic cause of death in college athletes.

The Maine medical examiner's office ruled that 18-year-old Darius Minor died July 24 from aortic dissection with cardiac tamponade, a heart condition that is considered uncommon, especially among younger men. Hypertension, or high blood pressure, was listed as a contributing factor.

Only about 1 in 50,000 young athletes dies from sudden cardiac failure, according to the Mayo Clinic. Even so, sudden cardiac death is the most common nontraumatic (not caused by accident or injury) cause of death among college athletes, according to the NCAA, the governing body that oversees UMaine's Division I football team.

[Nanners]

Who are the others?

you can start with these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhvjXeYEJnU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZPkyQ6g66Q&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR27-QsExU0&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5KC-YtOjOs&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u3EkrM0lqU&

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOINgQIr6lc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P8Gd-spDRc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9IM-wbw0ZA

[Patrick Chewing]

Oof, we might not see OTC log on to the board for at least a couple of days now. :lol

[bladefd]

Just an accept the fact that there have been an unusual amount of collegiate athlete deaths over the last year. Not trying to make a connection cause God knows you'll flip a lid seeing as you're balls deep into Big Pharma, but I'm just acknowledging that it's very suspicious considering the limited amount of data we have surrounding the vaccines and their deaths.

What evidence do you have that those deaths had anything whatsoever to do with the covid vaccine?

[Off the Court]

YouTube vids have been notorious misinformation where 90% of the athletes they show are pre-covid and/or never had the vaccine.

Let's see names and dates of college athletes that have died this last year. You said "unusual amount of collegiate athlete deaths over the last year."

So list them for me.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://philmaffetone.com/researchers-find-dramatic-increase-of-sudden-cardiac-death-following-covid-19-infection-and-or-vaccination/

[Off the Court]

https://philmaffetone.com/researchers-find-dramatic-increase-of-sudden-cardiac-death-following-covid-19-infection-and-or-vaccination/

This article, from a weird website, is saying it's linked to covid.

And why is it all Euro soccer players? Why aren't American athletes dying?

[Nanners]

Everyone knows that the only trustworthy sources when it comes to exposing the covid scam are mainstream media sites like NYT/WAPO/CNN/MSNBC, govt agencies like the CDC, and all other forms of media that are sponsored by pfizers marketing team.

[Off the Court]

Everyone knows that the only trustworthy sources when it comes to exposing the covid scam are mainstream media sites like NYT/WAPO/CNN/MSNBC, govt agencies like the CDC, and all other forms of media that are sponsored by pfizers marketing team.

Well that source is linking the deaths to covid. That thing you label "the sniffles".

I guess there are more covid deaths than we initially thought.

[diamenz]

take EVERYTHING from ANYWHERE with a grain of salt, dumbasses. don't trust something because you like it and shoot down something else because you don't. :roll:

[Off the Court]

When it comes to the vaccine I mostly only look at hospital numbers and reports which I think are trusting. And most don't bother trying to shoot those down, most just close their eyes and ignore.

[Patrick Chewing]

What evidence do you have that those deaths had anything whatsoever to do with the covid vaccine?

I never said that. Read my post again. Put your glasses on this time.

[Patrick Chewing]

YouTube vids have been notorious misinformation where 90% of the athletes they show are pre-covid and/or never had the vaccine.

Let's see names and dates of college athletes that have died this last year. You said "unusual amount of collegiate athlete deaths over the last year."

So list them for me.


The most overused word Liberals have used the last 2 years: "Misinformation"


Again, it's part and parcel of how they operate. Label your opponents as racist, sexist, or any "-ist" in the book, and of course, label your opponent's information as misinformation or disinformation. :lol

[Nanners]

I never said that. Read my post again. Put your glasses on this time.

look heres the deal, back in my day golf was all about communication, which is why I have two words for you - READ MY LIPS

cmon man, its not a joke

[Off the Court]

The most overused word Liberals have used the last 2 years: "Misinformation"


Again, it's part and parcel of how they operate. Label your opponents as racist, sexist, or any "-ist" in the book, and of course, label your opponent's information as misinformation or disinformation. :lol

Right your word for it is "fake news".

[Doomsday Dallas]

When it comes to the vaccine I mostly only look at hospital numbers and reports which I think are trusting. And most don't bother trying to shoot those down, most just close their eyes and ignore.

I personally know people at work that have relatives who passed away from cancer…. Death Certificate said Covid.

Needless to say those people were outraged the hospital would do that.


We’ve already been down this road… we’ve already discussed this thousands of times why hospitals would falsify data regarding Covid. No need to explain this again.

[Nanners]

I personally know people at work that have relatives who passed away from cancer…. Death Certificate said Covid.

Needless to say those people were outraged the hospital would do that.


We’ve already been down this road… we’ve already discussed this thousands of times why hospitals would falsify data regarding Covid. No need to explain this again.

Say what you will, but when it comes to the vaccine, I think OTC has the right approach and you should only look at numbers that have been obviously manipulated in favor of the pharmaceutical interests pushing the MRNA drugs

[Off the Court]

I personally know people at work that have relatives who passed away from cancer…. Death Certificate said Covid.

Needless to say those people were outraged the hospital would do that.


We’ve already been down this road… we’ve already discussed this thousands of times why hospitals would falsify data regarding Covid. No need to explain this again.
Yes we have, if they are covid positive at the time of death they have to mark it as covid. It is impossible to know if they would have survived whatever else they were suffering. How else should it be done? If someone has cancer but then gets sick of covid and dies should they mark it as cancer? And why would anyone be outraged either way? They are dead no matter how it's marked.

That only affects overall total numbers anyway. The numbers that are undeniable are when comparing unvaccined vs vaccinated.

[Nanners]

If someone has cancer but then gets sick of covid and dies should they mark it as cancer?

:lol:

are you fvckin serious? of course they should mark it as cancer. Unlike covid, cancer is actually dangerous.


That only affects overall total numbers anyway. The numbers that are undeniable are when comparing unvaccined vs vaccinated.

the unvaxxed vs vaxxed numbers are openly cooked by big pharma and their collaborators. Anyone who is not 100% up to date according to the CDC is considered "unvacced", even if they have received multiple of the original shots and boosters. In the US, the newest booster has been available for a month or two, and yet less than 10% of americans have decided to take this shot, which means that the VAST majority of this nation is technically "unvaccinated" by mainstream/govt metrics.

[JohnnySic]

2 and a half years later, covid is still fake.

[Off the Court]

:lol:

are you fvckin serious? of course they should mark it as cancer. Unlike covid, cancer is actually dangerous.


are you fvckin serious? People beat cancer all the time but if someone gets cancer and dies while sick of covid you want the hospitals to lie and pretend the covid never existed? That is way more outragous and there is no way you have a science degree.

[Nanners]

are you fvckin serious? People beat cancer all the time but if someone gets cancer and dies while sick of covid you want the hospitals to lie and pretend the covid never existed? That is way more outragous and there is no way you have a science degree.

:roll:

imagine being dumb enough to think that the common cold is as dangerous/harmful as fvcking cancer

[Off the Court]

It's not about how "dangerous". When a cancer patient gets the flu and dies they mark it as flu. That's how it's always been because the outcome of the cancer is unknowable. A science grad would get it but you ain't that mate.

[Nanners]

It's not about how "dangerous". When a cancer patient gets the flu and dies they mark it as flu. That's how it's always been because the outcome of the cancer is unknowable. A science grad would get it but you ain't that mate.

:oldlol:

Thats utter nonsense. Its almost like youre trying to be as wrong as humanly possible.

[Off the Court]

Nope and here is something else, there were 608,570 cancer deaths in 2021 and 2022 is on pace to hit 609,000 according to the American Cancer Society. Those are average numbers.


2018 - 609,640
2019 - 599,589
2020 - 602,350
2021 - 608,570
2022 - 609,000 (on pace)

So covid isn't stealing them.

[Off the Court]

They've never ever hidden the fact that covid kills a lot of people with underlying issues like cancer. That's been known and accepted and they've been upfront about it since day 1. People with heart disease know to stay away from covid.

[KNOW1EDGE]

You just pick and choose when you want to apply logic and critical thinking. It’s odd.

It’s okay to presume that the covid vaccine is effective because one person got the vaccine and didn’t die.

But it’s not okay to presume the vaccine is not effective, or rather deadly, because one person got the vaccine and then suddenly died.

That’s why we don’t take anything you say seriously.

[Off the Court]

You think you are the only person on the planet that got the vaccine and didn't die? :oldlol:

I've said this 3 times before, your story aligns with the masses, millions of people. The story in the OP does not, and they need to provide evidence that vaccine deaths are occurring in mass numbers.

Do you get it yet or does in need to be forced into your head with a hammer?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Millions of people also did not get the vaccine and did not die. What does that prove?

I’m trying to help you use logic, reasoning and critical thinking, in order to not make claims you don’t know for certain are true.

You are like a bull in a China shop. No amount of reasoning or critical thinking will get through to you.

I’m claiming I don’t know if it’s effective or not, because there is conflicting evidence.

You choose to ignore the conflicting evidence, and claim that the vaccine is effective and not dangerous. (Again, despite evidence to the contrary) that’s why we don’t take you serious. I’m just letting you know.

[Patrick Chewing]

What are the odds Off the Court works for Pfizer??

[Off the Court]

So now the story in the OP is conflicting evidence? When you entered this thread you were explaining to everyone that it means nothing. :facepalm

Whatever logic you're using is flip flopping all over the place.

[KNOW1EDGE]

So now the story in the OP is conflicting evidence? When you entered this thread you were explaining to everyone that it means nothing. :facepalm

Whatever logic you're using is flip flopping all over the place.

Bud. My whole point all along has been the same. One case of a man dying while having the covid vaccine doesn’t prove the vaccine is ineffective. Just like I said one person getting the vaccine and not dying doesn’t prove it’s effective.

You tend to pick and choose what information you look at and apply logic and reasoning to. I apply logic and reasoning to the entire thing. That’s how we are different. That’s why nobody takes you seriously. That’s why you will come back with some strange retort that proves nothing.

[Off the Court]

Bud. My whole point all along has been the same. One case of a man dying while having the covid vaccine doesn’t prove the vaccine is ineffective. Just like I said one person getting the vaccine and not dying doesn’t prove it’s effective.

You tend to pick and choose what information you look at and apply logic and reasoning to. I apply logic and reasoning to the entire thing. That’s how we are different. That’s why nobody takes you seriously. That’s why you will come back with some strange retort that proves nothing.

First off all you fools take me seriously that's why you're replying and there is nothing about this place that resembles a china shop. You think Chewing and DoomsdayDallas are a china shop? :oldlol: It's bulls on bulls in here son.

Second, you're right ONE person getting the vaccine and not dying doesn't prove it's effective, the problem is it is millions of people, and not just one, unlike the story in the OP. Before you reply do you at least acknowledge that angle? It's not "critical thinking" it's SIMPLE logic. At least tell me if you understand what I am trying to say. Because this is the 5th time I've had to reiterate it. It is the people that believe the vaccine is dangerous that need mass numbers, and NOT the people with your vaccine story.

[KNOW1EDGE]

First off all you fools take me seriously that's why you're replying and there is nothing about this place that resembles a china shop. You think Chewing and DoomsdayDallas are a china shop? :oldlol: It's bulls on bulls in here son.

Second, you're right ONE person getting the vaccine and not dying doesn't prove it's effective, the problem is it is millions of people, and not just one, unlike the story in the OP. Before you reply do you at least acknowledge that angle? It's not "critical thinking" it's SIMPLE logic. At least tell me if you understand what I am trying to say. Because this is the 5th time I've had to reiterate it. It is the people that believe the vaccine is dangerous that need mass numbers, and NOT the people with your vaccine story.

I do want to acknowledge what you are saying. You are right, one person getting the vaccine and dying does not prove the vaccine is dangerous. Like you said, millions of people got the vaccine and didn’t die.

What you are avoiding is the other side of the spectrum- in which the millions of people who did not receive the vaccine did not die from covid.

I get that not many people have just keeled over and died from the vaccine. (I don’t believe at all that it’s dangerous or causes death, just that it’s rather ineffective) like you said and I agree with, we, myself, have put far worse things in our bodies than the vaccine. I’m not afraid of the vaccine.

I want to be clear that I’m saying I don’t know that the vaccine is effective(people getting vaccinated then catching covid/dying) and in the same line of thinking, I don’t know that the vaccine is dangerous(people getting vaxxed and dying) like you said, there are millions of cases of people receiving the vaccine who don’t die. Just like there are millions of people who did not receive the vaccine and did not die.

I think we agree on most things.

[Off the Court]

What you are avoiding is the other side of the spectrum- in which the millions of people who did not receive the vaccine did not die from covid.

I have not been avoiding that as it is fairly new to the convo, but all that means is that the vaccine isn't a necessity for some people to live as there are 6.5 million people that did not get the vaccine and did in fact die of covid. Many had preexisting conditions, which is what we were debating when you came back.

Regardless both of those takes are dealing with millions of people.

For the story in the OP to be taken seriously it also needs to be shown in MASS numbers. Many people (including myself) can relate to your vaccine story. Very few can relate to the story in the OP. We need to see a significant rise in heart related deaths to even have this debate. And even then it is not that simple because the rise in deaths could be covid side effects and not the vaccine. Or both covid and the vaccine.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I’m pretty sure we just found the common ground. I’m not trying to troll.

I agree, very few can relate to the story in the OP. (Which is why I don’t think the vaccine is responsible for his death)

And I do know that many people have died from covid and it is serious.

And like you said, maybe the people who didn’t get the vaccine and didn’t die, didn’t need it. (Which to me would imply it is not that effective/important)

But I don’t claim to know one way or the other if the vaccine is 100% needed and effective. Just like I don’t know that the vaccine is 100% dangerous or ineffective. Data supports both claims I suppose.

[bladefd]

I’m pretty sure we just found the common ground. I’m not trying to troll.

I agree, very few can relate to the story in the OP. (Which is why I don’t think the vaccine is responsible for his death)

And I do know that many people have died from covid and it is serious.

And like you said, maybe the people who didn’t get the vaccine and didn’t die, didn’t need it. (Which to me would imply it is not that effective/important)

But I don’t claim to know one way or the other if the vaccine is 100% needed and effective. Just like I don’t know that the vaccine is 100% dangerous or ineffective. Data supports both claims I suppose.

Nobody knows anything with 100% certainty (outside of things within mathematics). Everything we know is based on observation and data within a scope of probability. Probability is central to science, including medicine.

But going back to your point.. The data on the covid vaccines has been positive thus far, especially for minimizing hospitalization and serious symptoms. However, no vaccine is 100% needed and effective just like no vaccine is 0% needed and effective. No vaccine is 100% dangerous or ineffective just like no vaccine is 0% dangerous or ineffective. Not every death at any point of time after getting the vaccine is due to the vaccine, as morons such as the OP claim. There has been plenty of time for researchers to prove that the mRNA vaccines are dangerous. We are still waiting for this grand global conspiracy to break.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Blade you just summed it up better than I could.

This is essentially exactly what I am trying to say.

You explained it better than I did. I agree with everything you just said 100%.

I’m not trying to deny the vaccine is beneficial(for some), and I’m not trying to deny that it could be useless.(for some) I certainly don’t believe the vaccine causes people to randomly die.

[Doomsday Dallas]

We are still waiting for this grand global conspiracy to break.

And who are you waiting on to break the story? A different story in a lot of people's eyes has already been told, we aren't waiting on any story to break. The story goes like this: What we are seeing play out with Covid19 is complete bull$hit.

This isn't Michael Mann's 1999 movie The Insider where 60 minutes and one whistleblower exposed Big Tobacco... Journalism has died since then (and many people are waking up to this), especially when you have Big Pharma as the Mainstream Media's top sponsor.


Jeffrey Wigand became nationally known as a whistleblower on February 4, 1996, when he appeared on the CBS news program 60 Minutes and stated that Brown & Williamson had intentionally manipulated its tobacco blend with chemicals such as ammonia to increase the effect of nicotine in cigarette smoke. According to Wigand, he was subsequently harassed and received anonymous death threats.

Wigand had begun to work for Brown & Williamson in January 1989 and was fired on March 24, 1993. He says that he was fired as a whistleblower because he knew that high-ranking corporate executives knowingly approved the addition of additives to their cigarettes that were known to be carcinogenic and/or addictive, such as coumarin. Brown & Williamson undertook a concerted effort to discredit Wigand, which included hiring the Investigative Group International to produce a 500-page dossier on Wigand which was distributed to the media. However, the dossier backfired, as news outlets examined the claims in it, finding many claims of misconduct to be unsubstantiated or trivial.


based on the 60 Minutes segment about Jeffrey Wigand, a whistleblower in the tobacco industry, covering his and CBS producer Lowell Bergman's struggles as they defend his testimony against efforts to discredit and suppress it by CBS and Wigand's former employer.

Erin Brokovich is a good story too.

Now, if this Jeffrey Wigard character and CBS struggled that hard to expose Big Tobacco... I can assure you, it's going to be a long time before Big Pharma ever gets exposed on CBS. Not when Pfizer is paying the bills. But who knows? maybe it will happen regarding this vaccine. Maybe it will happen one day when nobody cares anymore? Maybe one day it will become obvious that the vaccine is called the "Clot Shot" for a reason. All I know is I got Covid, I was sick for a week, and I never once considered the vaccine as an option for me or my kids who both got covid as well (and barely got sick). Natural immunity (or Ivermectin) was never an option for many of these sick f*cking corporate & government elitists and personally I feel like you should be ashamed of yourself if you even considered supporting the idea that this vaccine become mandatory... There should be a million little Greta Thunbergs saying HOW DARE YOU to that. Little to no Risk at all for children, and yet you want to rush to get them vaccinated with something that hasn't been properly tested. It's truly unbelievable. Have we seriously lost our f*cking minds? Any poster who thought Mandatory Covid19 vaccination was a good idea (especially for children) should be apologizing.

But back to my point... Do you really think if something were wrong with the mRNA vaccine (I know this is impossible for you imagine, but let's try our hardest to pretend there was something very dangerous regarding long term health effects) .... Do you really believe that's the type of thing that would ever get exposed on a Global Level? It's highly highly unlikely.

[Off the Court]

Like mentioned repeatedly if they're is something harmful with the vaccine it will show up in the numbers. Tobacco companies didn't get hit because ONE man got lung cancer. It was millions. If the vaccine is giving everyone blood clots it would show itself rather quickly.

You should hope there is no spike because the problem for you (and your kids) is that it might be covid that's doing it.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Like mentioned repeatedly if they're is something harmful with the vaccine it will show up in the numbers. Tobacco companies didn't get hit because ONE man got lung cancer. It was millions. If the vaccine is giving everyone blood clots it would show itself rather quickly.

You should hope there is no spike because the problem for you (and your kids) is that it might be covid that's doing it.

Well... I'll stand firm with the other 30% that agree with me.

https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/FEATURE-What-Parents-Say-About-Getting-COVID-19-Vaccines-for-Their-Eligible-Children_1.png

[Off the Court]

Ah okay? lol

I'll stand with the 70% I guess.

[diamenz]

Well... I'll stand firm with the other 30% that agree with me.

https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/FEATURE-What-Parents-Say-About-Getting-COVID-19-Vaccines-for-Their-Eligible-Children_1.png

so are those parents leaving their children unvaccinated because covid doesn't pose a threat to them (children) or because they think that the vaccine is an experiment and is harmful?

i don't understand why we're still talking about this. young, healthy libtards taking boosters willy-nilly is about as dumb as conservatives telling their elderly parents or immuno-compromised family & friends that they shouldn't get jabbed because of where they stand politically.

what's so hard about this? why are we still yapping about this? it's like an endlessly nagging wife.

elderly/compromised = stay boosted. stay vigilant.

young/healthy = your choice.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Ah okay? lol

I'll stand with the 70% I guess.


Well according to that random chart... 32% said they'd like to wait & see... you, at the very least could wait and see, but you are in the 29% group... 7% said they'd do it if were required.


And regarding the vaccine being "required"... Where do people fall on that subject?

https://www.kff.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/FEATURE-Parents-Oppose-Requiring-Vaccine-But-Not-Masks-In-Schools_1-1.png

[Doomsday Dallas]

We are still waiting for this grand global conspiracy to break.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kZaJhZMgs0


Yea... that ain't ever going to happen.

But... many people could wake up and smell the bull$hit... many people already have.

Canada actually did take it to the streets, and that was the top headline for awhile up until Russia invaded Ukraine.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Ah okay? lol

I'll stand with the 70% I guess.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-advisers-decide-against-covid-vaccines-healthy-12-15-year-olds-2021-09-03/



Britain's vaccine advisers said they were not recommending the vaccination of all 12- to 15-year-olds against COVID-19, preferring a precautionary approach in healthy children due to a rare side effect of heart inflammation.

Even Britain’s vaccine advisers have a wait & see approach… but clearly you guys have done more research than them in regards to vaccinating your children.

You guys are smarter than a bunch of vaccine advisors. Not like they spent any time doing any research. Getting your child vaccinated immediately was the right move.

[bladefd]

so are those parents leaving their children unvaccinated because covid doesn't pose a threat to them (children) or because they think that the vaccine is an experiment and is harmful?

i don't understand why we're still talking about this. young, healthy libtards taking boosters willy-nilly is about as dumb as conservatives telling their elderly parents or immuno-compromised family & friends that they shouldn't get jabbed because of where they stand politically.

what's so hard about this? why are we still yapping about this? it's like an endlessly nagging wife.

elderly/compromised = stay boosted. stay vigilant.

young/healthy = your choice.

Good point.

I'm not too concerned about Omicron. The virus risks under the current strain are very different from alpha strain and delta strains (and South African strain to a smaller extent). The virus has changed significantly that we can't apply the same standards to a different strain as the majority of the conspiracy idiots are.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Good point.

I'm not too concerned about Omicron. The virus risks under the current strain are very different from alpha strain and delta strains (and South African strain to a smaller extent). The virus has changed significantly that we can't apply the same standards to a different strain as the majority of the conspiracy idiots are.


I still don't even know where the virus came from... do you?

[jstern]

Good point.

I'm not too concerned about Omicron. The virus risks under the current strain are very different from alpha strain and delta strains (and South African strain to a smaller extent). The virus has changed significantly that we can't apply the same standards to a different strain as the majority of the conspiracy idiots are.

The original Corona and the Delta flu, had an average death age of 83 years (who make up less than 2% of the population), which is higher than the average life expectancy. And those deaths also included an average of almost 4 comorbidity.

And YOU Bladef of ISH, got vaccinated in March 2022 for the ****ing Omicron (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?477454-Official-coronavirus-news-discussion-thread&p=14603926&viewfull=1#post14603926). So what's all this nonsense about you not being too concerned about the Omicron?

[warriorfan]

vax cucks absolutely fuming right now

:roll:

[Axe]

vax cucks absolutely fuming right now

:roll:
Meltdown.

[Patrick Chewing]

Meltdown.

Meltdown.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Poopsie:

Am I an uneducated imbecile prone to conspiracy theories?

No. It's the doctors who are wrong.

[Axe]

Meltdown.
Hemorrhage.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hemorrhage.

Diarrhea.

[SATAN]

Poseur.

[Axe]

Diarrhea.
Hypertension.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hypertension.

Homosexuality.

[Patrick Chewing]

damn he got u axe :oldlol:

Obesity.

[Patrick Chewing]

pinche gordo ceboso, eres un puerco.

Severe obesity and liver damage

[Axe]

Homosexuality.
You seriously think that's something health-related? Dumb af. :biggums:

Anyways,

Diabetes.

[jstern]

You seriously think that's something health-related? Dumb af. :biggums:

Anyways,

Diabetes.

I just want you to clarify. So Patrick Chewing basically calls you a homosexual and since you don't deny it, your response comes off as, "Yeah, I may be a homosexual and gay, but homosexuality is not health related thus not what's being discussed here."

Exactly what kind of porn were you talking about in the no fap thread? Don't tell me you're Off the Court's alt.

[Axe]

Guys, somebody help greg be admitted to a mental asylum. He just can't handle his adderall intake anymore. It's driving him nuts as we speak.

[Patrick Chewing]

You seriously think that's something health-related? Dumb af. :biggums:

Anyways,

Diabetes.

Homosexuals spread AIDS, HIV, and now Monkeypox. Being a homosexual is indeed a health risk. Change your lifestyle or else. Seek God. Get right with him before it's too late.

[Axe]

Homosexuals spread AIDS, HIV, and now Monkeypox.
Sounds like you actually had all of those when you were younger. :lebronamazed:

[Off the Court]

https://mec.lacounty.gov/case-detail/?caseNumber=2022-10791

Brignole died of covid. And the irony is that it's not even a break though case because his last vaccination was over a year ago. So basically he died because he didn't get the booster. He wasn't vaccinated enough.

https://www.rojakpot.com/sam-westmoreland-sudden-death/

And the Mississippi player committed suicide.





But all that will be remembered by the anti-vax gang is that these two died from the vaccine because misinformation gonna misinform.

[jstern]

https://mec.lacounty.gov/case-detail/?caseNumber=2022-10791

Brignole died of covid. And the irony is that it's not even a break though case because his last vaccination was over a year ago. So basically he died because he didn't get the booster. He wasn't vaccinated enough.

https://www.rojakpot.com/sam-westmoreland-sudden-death/

And the Mississippi player committed suicide.





But all that will be remembered by the anti-vax gang is that these two died from the vaccine because misinformation gonna misinform.

So the guy from the OP died of the weakest version of the already weak Omicron cold, or did he simply have it when he died? You seriously think he died of the Omicron because it was present in his system?

I think the heart issues had a lot more to do with his death.

[Off the Court]

So the guy from the OP died of the weakest version of the already weak Omicron cold, or did he simply have it when he died? You seriously think he died of the Omicron because it was present in his system?

I think the heart issues had a lot more to do with his death.

He has plaque in his arteries listed as an underlying issue, which is somewhat common at that age. So yeah he had a poor heart and then got sick from covid and died in his home.

This is actually a very typical covid death. Older individual with a poor heart.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Well.... We got a new one to add to the list:

Now we have a hysterical mother from Texas.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/now-truly-100-believe-vaccine-grieving-mother-vows-bring-justice-following-sudden-death-healthy-athletic-18-year-old-daughter/

“I Now Truly 100% Believe It was Because of the [Vaccine]” – Grieving Mother Vows to Bring Justice Following the Sudden Death of Her “Healthy and Athletic” 18-Year-Old Daughter

By Jim Hoft

Published October 25, 2022 at 12:50pm



She must be mistaken... impossible the vaccine had anything to do with it.

[diamenz]

Well.... We got a new one to add to the list:

Now we have a hysterical mother from Texas.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/now-truly-100-believe-vaccine-grieving-mother-vows-bring-justice-following-sudden-death-healthy-athletic-18-year-old-daughter/

“I Now Truly 100% Believe It was Because of the [Vaccine]” – Grieving Mother Vows to Bring Justice Following the Sudden Death of Her “Healthy and Athletic” 18-Year-Old Daughter

By Jim Hoft

Published October 25, 2022 at 12:50pm



She must be mistaken... impossible the vaccine had anything to do with it.

are you saying it's a sure fact, or a possibility?

[JohnnySic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ff87DsjUAAExx2f?format=jpg&name=large

[Off the Court]

She must be mistaken... impossible the vaccine had anything to do with it.

This is the same type of comment you made about the guy in the OP, and you were mistaken, it wasn't the vaccine.

And odds are this girl's death wasn't the vaccine she took a year ago either, her conservative mother just wants it to be. She was in college, she probably ODed on drugs or something.



From what I can see, the very rare times (like 1 in 40,000) when the vaccine does have horrible reactions it is immediate. These rare occurrences happen with all vaccines, measles, mumps, flu, polio, etc. And if this girl got her booster shot right before dying I'd believe it was the vaccine. But months later? not impossible but I seriously doubt it. I think it is more likely she died of covid actually, although I doubt that too. Probably experimenting with drugs is my guess. It could also just be legit SADS, she was born with an enlarged heart or a defect or something.

[bladefd]

This is the same type of comment you made about the guy in the OP, and you were mistaken, it wasn't the vaccine.

And odds are this girl's death wasn't the vaccine she took a year ago either, her conservative mother just wants it to be. She was in college, she probably ODed on drugs or something.



From what I can see, the very rare times (like 1 in 40,000) when the vaccine does have horrible reactions it is immediate. These rare occurrences happen with all vaccines, measles, mumps, flu, polio, etc. And if this girl got her booster shot right before dying I'd believe it was the vaccine. But months later? not impossible but I seriously doubt it. I think it is more likely she died of covid actually, although I doubt that too. Probably experimenting with drugs is my guess. It could also just be legit SADS, she was born with an enlarged heart or a defect or something.

The vaccine stays in your body at most 2 weeks. There is no way it can kill you months or year later. It's nonsense from antivaxers best to ignore.

[Off the Court]

Yeah it's flushed out the system in 2 weeks, and from what I can tell if something bad is going to happen it is within that time. After that your immune system is doing the same thing it would had it been covid. That's why I've been saying if there is some kind of lingering health issues it is likely from covid and the vaccine both and not just one. Because they both basically do the same thing.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The Infectious Disease Society of America (IDSA) estimates that the spike proteins that were generated by COVID-19 vaccines last up to a few weeks, like other proteins made by the body. The immune system quickly identifies, attacks and destroys the spike proteins because it recognizes them as not part of you. This "learning the enemy" process is how the immune system figures out how to defeat the real coronavirus. It remembers what it saw and when you are exposed to coronavirus in the future it can rapidly mount an effective immune response.

The argument made in regards to mRNA is that your immune system eventually learns how to fight the wrong enemy... or in this case, it learns how to fight your friend. Similar to Auto Immune Disease


Autoimmune disease happens when the body's natural defense system can't tell the difference between your own cells and foreign cells, causing the body to mistakenly attack normal cells. There are more than 80 types of autoimmune diseases that affect a wide range of body parts.

[Off the Court]

The argument made in regards to mRNA is that your immune system eventually learns how to fight the wrong enemy... or in this case, it learns how to fight your friend. Similar to Auto Immune Disease

I don't understand why that would happen in just the vaccine and not covid, but if that has always been your argument you can stop showing everyone random heart attacks, myocarditis, and SADS shit that have nothing to do with autoimmune.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I don't understand why that would happen in just the vaccine and not covid, but if that has always been your argument you can stop showing everyone random heart attacks, myocarditis, and SADS shit that have nothing to do with autoimmune.

Why is that unrelated?

if the research suggests your immune system is now attacking normal cells... all of those things could be side effects. (heart attacks, myocarditis, and SADS)

[Off the Court]

Why is that unrelated?

if the research suggests your immune system is now attacking normal cells... all of those things could be side effects. (heart attacks, myocarditis, and SADS)

Autoimmune disease is a slow painful death and not a healthy one day and suddenly wake up dead tomorrow.

But I'd still like to know how that would happen with just the vaccine and not covid.

[Doomsday Dallas]

but if that has always been your argument you can stop showing everyone random heart attacks, myocarditis, and SADS shit that have nothing to do with autoimmune.

Like I said before, The CDC is currently researching this... I know you hate reading that, but if it's sooooo crazy to suggest... why is the CDC currently researching it?


CDC and its partners are actively monitoring reports of myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination. Active monitoring includes reviewing data and medical records and evaluating the relationship to COVID-19 vaccination.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

[Doomsday Dallas]

I don't understand why that would happen in just the vaccine and not covid, but if that has always been your argument you can stop showing everyone random heart attacks, myocarditis, and SADS shit that have nothing to do with autoimmune.

still relevant in my opinion


DALLAS, Sept. 14, 2022 — After a heart attack, people with an autoimmune disease were more likely to die, develop heart failure or have a second heart attack compared to people without an autoimmune disease, according to new research published today in the Journal of the American Heart Association, an open access, peer-reviewed journal of the American Heart Association.

Autoimmune diseases, such as rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosis and psoriasis, are known to increase risk of cardiovascular disease, likely due to multiple factors. People with an autoimmune disease have a higher prevalence of traditional cardiovascular risk factors (such as high blood pressure, Type 2 diabetes or kidney disease), in addition to aspects of autoimmune disease that are also linked to higher cardiovascular risk, such as chronic inflammation, autoimmune antibodies and long-term use of steroid medications. A new study examined whether having an autoimmune disease, compared to not having one, affects a person’s health status after a heart attack.

https://newsroom.heart.org/news/study-finds-higher-complication-rate-after-heart-attack-in-people-with-autoimmune-disease

[Off the Court]

Again, people with autoimmune disease are sick as hell for a long time. They don't just suddenly drop dead of heart attacks without knowing what caused it while playing soccer.

And you still aren't answering my question, why would the vaccine cause that but not the virus itself? Makes no sense.

Are you really incapable of seeing that you are just biasedly searching out everything you can to pin it on the vaccine? Which also makes no sense because you didn't even take the vaccine lol. Why are you desperately wishing and wanting the vaccine to hurt people? Because all your retarded conspiracies won't come to fruition without it?

[Doomsday Dallas]

Again, people with autoimmune disease are sick as hell for a long time. They don't just suddenly drop dead of heart attacks without knowing what caused it while playing soccer.

And you still aren't answering my question, why would the vaccine cause that but not the virus itself? Makes no sense.

Are you really incapable of seeing that you are just biasedly searching out everything you can to pin it on the vaccine? Which also makes no sense because you didn't even take the vaccine lol. Why are you desperately wishing and wanting the vaccine to hurt people? Because all your retarded conspiracies won't come to fruition without it?


Sounds to me like you want to pin every negative health effect, like myocarditis on the virus it self.

Ok, we can play that game... where did the virus come from?



And btw... no, it was not common knowledge that the vaccine didn't prevent transmission... It was common knowledge for the masses that the vaccine helped prevent transmission. That's what the masses thought. That's what Fauci said in 2021.

So does it help prevent transmission or doesn't it? Which is it?



Not only that... It's people like me that were told for over a year that I'm putting people's lives at risk by not getting vaccinated. So why all the uproar against people that decided not to take it?

You weren't ever shamed into taking the vaccine, because you jumped on board the moment it was available... believing that you were helping to stop the spread. But it doesn't stop $hit, and now the courts are finally agreeing.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The vaccine stays in your body at most 2 weeks. There is no way it can kill you months or year later. It's nonsense from antivaxers best to ignore.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1558421290930900992?ref_twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5E serp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[SATAN]

You are an absolute moron.

[Johnny32]

Don't worry, I'm sure however he died had absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine.

if this is even real (prob not) seems more logical than...hurrr, He DiEdEd FrOm DuH VaCcInE 1.5 YeArS lAtEr, durrr.

[Jasper]

Bringing up isolated deaths is meaningless. If you are out to prove that the vaccine kills everyone then you need to show a meaningful rise in overall death rate. Specifically heart related.

10 4

[Jasper]

Wrong as usual. What I do is I challenge these keyboard warriors on here and promise them a quick death if they want to run their mouth outside of the safe confines of their parent's basement.

I don't make wishes. I make promises.

keyboard puzzee