Name players who were great/good scorers but their on court impact was lacking

[1987_Lakers]

Westbrook
Iverson
Carmelo
Elvin Hayes
Adrian Dantley
Maravich
Bradley Beal
Stackhouse
Andre Drummond (Not a scorer, but for sure not as good as the stats say)
Walt Bellamy
Joe Barry Carroll (AKA Joe Barely Cares)

[FultzNationRISE]

MJ

[FultzNationRISE]

Also:

Arenas
Kyrie Irving

[SouBeachTalents]

Mashburn
Antoine Walker
Jamison
Kevin Martin
Monta
K-Love
Cousins

[Smook A.]

A lot of the new generation tends to forget just how inefficient Iverson was in his prime. Multiple full seasons shooting only 40-41% and a couple seasons shooting UNDER 40%. Yeah he was still a damn good player, especially for his height, but he gets really overrated by fans. I've seen plenty of morons on the internet rank him as high as top 15, top 20 in the all-time list

[GrayGoat]

Rudy Gobert

[highwhey]

curry

[Kblaze8855]

If you see a team with Eric Snow, Aaron Mckie who started 40 more games in his life, Vanhorn who left for Dallas then retired, Todd McCullough, 24 games of Tyrone hill, the final 35 starts of 340 pounds Coleman, 46 games of Kenny Thomas, Greg Buckner, Monty Williams, and Brian Skinner…..

What do you imagine a team like that wins? 16 games?

You imagine a non impactful player can be added and have them win 48 games and a playoff series?


So much of this “impact” shit is manufactured to fit coincidence. Nique is a guy considered flash over substance to many because he got drafted by the Hawks while Worthy is working with Kareem and Magic.

So many times the labels just match the coincidence while we ignore how guys not fitting the label often don’t do anything more.

If Stockton had the same career today he’d be called low impact. 18 years with an mvp level forward who was elite for like 14 in a row at times backed by a third former all star or 20ppg sixth men and a DPOY going no further than Westbrook with his mvp partner and losing in the first round plenty of times in upsets.

It just doesn’t “feeeeeeel” like Stockton fits the mold so he doesn’t come up.

Players who we wanna list in these things? We will find a reason if coincidence didn’t give us one.

Really how do we know what Tony Parker’s impact was? A finals mvp on a team that had 2 before he was even a star? Anyone think the spurs couldn’t make do with Mike Bibby? Hell Bob Sura probably gets the 03 ring at least.

Players land in such different situations it’s hard to say any of these for sure.

I mean….Elvin Hayes made 3 finals and won a ring as his teams leading scorer.

Jackass? Obviously. Low impact?

Cant really say.

Its always harder to say than fans wanna make it seem.

[GrayGoat]

curry
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[999Guy]

Carmelo and Amare are the worst modern ones ever for different reasons on a perception level. Virtually irrelevant to team quality when out of games/seasons yet assumed to be impact juggernauts.

Iverson snuck in some legitimately good defensive years at his peak which blunts the overratedness in an underrated way.

Michael Beasley essentially proved scoring is the single most overrated skill in the sport by far. He could be worst good scorer to ever play basketball.

[Kblaze8855]

A lot of the new generation tends to forget just how inefficient Iverson was in his prime. Multiple full seasons shooting only 40-41% and a couple seasons shooting UNDER 40%. Yeah he was still a damn good player, especially for his height, but he gets really overrated by fans. I've seen plenty of morons on the internet rank him as high as top 15, top 20 in the all-time list


Its more not caring than forgetting. When a guy is in the best defensive era ever…when 39-43 is not a shocking score going into the 4th in the playoffs? AI going 9 of 24 as opposed to 10 of 24 wasn’t stressing anyone out. Least of all his coach who could be seen yelling for him to keep attacking.

All those stars got caught up in post expansion diluted talent one man army ball with modern athletes and effort before they curbed defense on purpose to make it more fan friendly.

Finley, Glenn Robinson, Peja and Antione Walker were the best scoring second options. That’s why Shaq and Kobe were so unstoppable. Nobody else really had a second star like that.

Nobody had Tobias Harris as their 4th option. If a star had Tobias Harris as a number 2 they would get Inside Stuff segments as a dynamic duo.


People have been shitting on the 90s/early 2000s guards for too long when we should know better.

You watched those bullshit ass lineups.

The nba flat out manufactured stars through rule changes so nobody will deal with anything like that again.

AI today would have 8 shooters to space the floor and get a whistle every time he got bumped.

He was out there at times with Eric Snow backed up by one of the only guards ever to make even fewer threes than him. Kevin Olie made 9 threes his entire career and he was backing up Snow who had a career high of 13 in a season. Next to them he’s got Lynch, Tyrone Hill, and Ratliff.

How long has it been since a team with that little shooting existed in the nba?

He had a lineup out of 1971 in his prime.

Even talking about some of those guys numbers is just unfair. Any point before or after that run every one of them would statistically be a lot better. We are just gonna look the other way like we don’t better?

[TheGoatest]

MJ

37.1 ppg season
8.1 ppg higher than #2 scorer in the league
Equals:
Team below .500, finished lower in the seedings than an all-star-less team whose best player and leading scorer by a substantial margin was a rookie Chuck Person

Nuff said.

[TheMan]

37.1 ppg season
8.1 ppg higher than #2 scorer in the league
Equals:
Team below .500, finished lower in the seedings than an all-star-less team whose best player and leading scorer by a substantial margin was a rookie Chuck Person

Nuff said.
Bran almost won the scoring title last year yet couldn't even make it to the expanded playoffs...using your same logic, Bran had no impact :confusedshrug: This season shaping up to be basically the same...no AD, no playoffs.

Nuff said

[3ba11]

Westbrook
Iverson
Carmelo
Elvin Hayes
Adrian Dantley
Maravich
Bradley Beal
Stackhouse
Andre Drummond (Not a scorer, but for sure not as good as the stats say)
Walt Bellamy
Joe Barry Carroll (AKA Joe Barely Cares)


2004-2011 (8 seasons)


- 2 lottery

- 3 2nd Rd losses

- 3 losses as favorite

- 1 sweep loss

- 2 meltdowns



^^^ So Lebron was an ineffective scorer that simpy did "the decision" to manufacture accolades that his brand of ball could never get

[3ba11]

Westbrook
Iverson
Carmelo
Elvin Hayes
Adrian Dantley
Maravich
Bradley Beal
Stackhouse
Andre Drummond (Not a scorer, but for sure not as good as the stats say)
Walt Bellamy
Joe Barry Carroll (AKA Joe Barely Cares)



- short scorers

- inefficient scorers

- ball-dominant scorers (aka "holes")


Ideally shouldn't be 1st options but some teams have little choice

[Full Court]

In recent seasons, Lebron James, Bradley Beal, and Damian Lillard are probably the biggest examples.

[RRR3]

Westbrook was very impactful in his prime it’s literally confirmed by data. Let’s not revise history just cuz he’s ass in his later career.

[MrFonzworth]

Westbrook
Iverson
Carmelo
Elvin Hayes
Adrian Dantley
Maravich
Bradley Beal
Stackhouse
Andre Drummond (Not a scorer, but for sure not as good as the stats say)
Walt Bellamy
Joe Barry Carroll (AKA Joe Barely Cares)

:biggums:

[Axe]

curry
Can't even lead his team to a play-in win last year (2021) with kelly '> klay' oubre jr. :ohwell:

[dankok8]

Another dumb thread by the OP... He's on a roll lately!

Imagine thinking Westbrook, Iverson, Hayes and Maravich had little impact. Imagine thinking Drummond was a great or good scorer. :lol

Shout out to Kblaze who murdered the OP by the way. Great post as usual!

[RRR3]

Another dumb thread by the OP... He's on a roll lately!

Imagine thinking Westbrook, Iverson, Hayes and Maravich had little impact. Imagine thinking Drummond was a great or good scorer. :lol

Shout out to Kblaze who murdered the OP by the way. Great post as usual!
Ironically enough I’m pretty sure Kblaze has said Maravich’s impact wasn’t great.

[1987_Lakers]

Another dumb thread by the OP... He's on a roll lately!

Imagine thinking Westbrook, Iverson, Hayes and Maravich had little impact. Imagine thinking Drummond was a great or good scorer. :lol

Shout out to Kblaze who murdered the OP by the way. Great post as usual!

Are you retarded?



Andre Drummond (Not a scorer, but for sure not as good as the stats say)


Now I see why you counted troll votes in your project.

[FultzNationRISE]

Westbrook was very impactful in his prime it’s literally confirmed by data. Let’s not revise history just cuz he’s ass in his later career.

He made a positive impact in the first three quarters, and then negated it in the 4th like clockwork. Didnt always cost them the game, but in the big/close ones… it often did.

Eye test/context def hurts him more than helps him in that regard.

His between the ears game has always been shit… and now that he cant even shoot straight hes basically the worst player ever in history.

[1987_Lakers]

Guys like Iverson & Westbrook could have great impact on a team that is filled with bums, we saw that with Westbrook in 2017, but put them on a contender and there is a good chance they might ruin team chemistry strictly by their play style. Look how much better the Nuggets got when they got rid of Iverson.

You had Wes Unseld in the mid-late 70's who didn't average 10 ppg have a bigger "box plus-minus" than Elvin Hayes who was his teammate. Sure, I'm positive Hayes overall was a plus in impact, but the point of the thread was to show players who's overall impact wasn't as good as the individual stats say.

[1987_Lakers]

Ironically enough I’m pretty sure Kblaze has said Maravich’s impact wasn’t great.

Maravich was a turnover machine who didn't play defense.

[dankok8]

Guys like Iverson & Westbrook could have great impact on a team that is filled with bums, we saw that with Westbrook in 2017, but put them on a contender and there is a good chance they might ruin team chemistry strictly by their play style. Look how much better the Nuggets got when they got rid of Iverson.

You had Wes Unseld in the mid-late 70's who didn't average 10 ppg have a bigger "box plus-minus" than Elvin Hayes who was his teammate. Sure, I'm positive Hayes overall was a plus in impact, but the point of the thread was to show players who's overall impact wasn't as good as the individual stats say.

Right... Iverson and Westbrook are great floor-raisers which is impact. They don't belong in this thread.

Hayes led the Bullets to a championship and two more finals appearances. He was a better player than Unseld. He developed a reputation as a headcase from his Rockets days playing for a terrible team. Once he got to the Bullets he was a true professional. Ended up having exceptional longevity for the era as well behind only Kareem. If anything I'd argue Hayes is very underrated. He definitely doesn't belong in this thread.

Maravich was called the best offensive player in the world by Red Auerbach. Sure he wasn't a defender. So what... he's a guard. Again he doesn't belong in this thread.

[1987_Lakers]

Once he got to the Bullets he was a true professional.

So you are lying now? There is a famous story out there from the 80's where Bill Fitch made it a point to keep Ralph Sampson away from Hayes because he knew he would be a bad influence on him. You saying he all of a sudden changed his attitude with the Bullets isn't true if a coach was trying to keep a 38 year old Hayes away from his new draft pick.

Even with the Bullets teammates disliked him, Unseld was the dude the players looked up to.

"the most despicable person I've ever met in sports.” - Alex Hannum on Elvin Hayes

[1987_Lakers]

Apparently, the Bill Fitch story was in Bill Simmons' book which he got from another book.

4. According to Flip Bondy in Tip Off, before Hayes' final season with Rockets in '84, he made a big deal about mentoring prized rookie Ralph Sampson, causing Houston coach Bill Fitch to pull Sampson aside and tell him, "You stay away from that no-good **** prick."

Dancock lying again thinking I won't catch on, just like he didn't think I would catch on when he rigged the voting in his project, he is sadly mistaken.

[dankok8]

So you are lying now? There is a famous story out there from the 80's where Bill Fitch made it a point to keep Ralph Sampson away from Hayes because he knew he would be a bad influence on him. You saying he all of a sudden changed his attitude with the Bullets isn't true if a coach was trying to keep a 38 year old Hayes away from his new draft pick.

Even with the Bullets teammates disliked him, Unseld was the dude the players looked up to.

"the most despicable person I've ever met in sports.” - Alex Hannum on Elvin Hayes

Unseld was the emotional leader kind of how Green is on the Warriors but Hayes was the best player on that team.

Wes Unseld: "Once you get to know Elvin, and accept him as he is, then, when you add up all the pros and cons, the pro column is full."

[1987_Lakers]

Forgot to add this about Hayes.

3. He didn't distinguish himself him in the '78 Finals, scoring 133 points in the first six games, but only 19 in the fourth quarters, earning derisive comments in Curry Kirkpatrick's SI Finals feature, like "Individualism overcame Elvin in yet another big contest," Hayes once more disappeared in a moment of crisis," "In between his hiding and complaining to everybody about officials," and [It's] imperative for the Bullets that their only 'real' name player and 10-year All-Star justify his status by not dissolving at the end of the seventh game." What happened? Elvin scored 12 points in Game 7 and fouled out with 10 minutes left to play in a closing game. They won the title on the road without him.


So dude was still a POS with the Bullets and a POS in the 80's.

[Xiao Yao You]

Dantley started the Jazz long playoff run and made the Pistons a contender. Try again

[1987_Lakers]

Dantley started the Jazz long playoff run and made the Pistons a contender. Try again

Dantley was on the verge of destroying that Pistons team. Caused friction in the locker room and the team got much better once they traded him during the '89 season.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWuu3y_5qPM

[warriorfan]

A lot of the new generation tends to forget just how inefficient Iverson was in his prime. Multiple full seasons shooting only 40-41% and a couple seasons shooting UNDER 40%. Yeah he was still a damn good player, especially for his height, but he gets really overrated by fans. I've seen plenty of morons on the internet rank him as high as top 15, top 20 in the all-time list

you don’t know ball

[Spurs m8]

The GOAT at this...LeBarry

[Kblaze8855]

Guys like Iverson & Westbrook could have great impact on a team that is filled with bums, we saw that with Westbrook in 2017, but put them on a contender and there is a good chance they might ruin team chemistry strictly by their play style. Look how much better the Nuggets got when they got rid of Iverson..


They won like three more games largely because Nene didn’t miss the entire season like he did the year before and lost to the same team in the playoffs. They were just higher seeded because of the extra handful of games from being healthy.

Give them Nene for 75+ more games the 3-4 wins aren’t hard to imagine. Which gets them out of the way of the lakers…who just beat them again anyway.

If you can make a shit team decent you have impact. Period.

Iverson legitimately had teams that should have won 15-20 games at times. A win here and there without him doesn’t make those teams good. There’s never been a good team with that little offensive talent. Good defenders and hustle? Sure. But some of those teams legit contend for the worst group of shooting starters to ever be assembled.

You watch some of those games back compared to todays teams it looks like a whole other sport. AI out there at times with Tyrone Hill the best shooter he has just because he could make a baseline jumper now and then.

Literally not one person in the NBA right now has ever played on a team with that little offensive talent and he was making them noteworthy.

Eric Snow and Kevin Olie are likely the two worst shooters to ever man a guard position in the last 30-40 years. On the rare occasion they would give him a shooter he’d force feed them the ball.

Korver credits him with a lot of his early career development just off making him shoot. AI would love this league. He wouldn’t know what to do with this shooting around him and hands off defense. He’s either shooting a lot better or taking 14 free throws a game. Can’t guard that guy with 4 shooters on the floor with him.

[1987_Lakers]

They won like three more games largely because Nene didn’t miss the entire season like he did the year before and lost to the same team in the playoffs. They were just higher seeded because of the extra handful of games from being healthy.

Give them Nene for 75+ more games the 3-4 wins aren’t hard to imagine. Which gets them out of the way of the lakers…who just beat them again anyway.

If you can make a shit team decent you have impact. Period.

Iverson legitimately had teams that should have won 15-20 games at times. A win here and there without him doesn’t make those teams good. There’s never been a good team with that little offensive talent. Good defenders and hustle? Sure. But some of those teams legit contend for the worst group of shooting starters to ever be assembled.

You watch some of those games back compared to todays teams it looks like a whole other sport. AI out there at times with Tyrone Hill the best shooter he has just because he could make a baseline jumper now and then.

Literally not one person in the NBA right now has ever played on a team with that little offensive talent and he was making them noteworthy.

Eric Snow and Kevin Olie are likely the two worst shooters to ever man a guard position in the last 30-40 years. On the rare occasion they would give him a shooter he’d force feed them the ball.

Korver credits him with a lot of his early career development just off making him shoot. AI would love this league. He wouldn’t know what to do with this shooting around him and hands off defense. He’s either shooting a lot better or taking 14 free throws a game. Can’t guard that guy with 4 shooters on the floor with him.

No mention how the Pistons were 24-30 with Iverson in 2009?

They basically swapped Billups for Iverson and became considerably worse. Think they won 59 games with Billups the year prior.

[warriorfan]

No mention how the Pistons were 24-30 with Iverson in 2009?

They basically swapped Billups for Iverson and became considerably worse. Think they won 59 games with Billups the year prior.

you are a midget who literally never played basketball

back to the kids table

[1987_Lakers]

you are a midget who literally never played basketball

back to the kids table

You are a crackhead. Nuff said.

[Axe]

You are a crackhead. Nuff said.
:roll:

[warriorfan]

You are a crackhead. Nuff said.

how tall are you?

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

:roll:

2 EZ. :pimp:

[HoopsNY]

Iverson and Westbrook don't belong on that list. IIRC, Westbrook's teams' record when he records a triple double in his career is almost .750%. That's insane impact whichever way you look at it. Yes, he's a stat-padder, but he did have some results that simply can't be ignored. And he did go to the finals alongside KD in 2012. If LeBron doesn't manufacture a super-team, is there any doubt that Westbrook would have a ring right now?

Iverson took that Sixers team to a finals, beating Cassell-Robinson-Allen in 7 games. In addition, the Sixers were the only team to beat the Lakers in 2001 with the one win coming with Iverson scoring 48 points in the OT game. How is that not impactful?

[Kblaze8855]

No mention how the Pistons were 24-30 with Iverson in 2009?

They basically swapped Billups for Iverson and became considerably worse. Think they won 59 games with Billups the year prior.


So instead of a players prime you suggest I focus on a partial season on an injury riddled team with a new coach, all it’s stars aging out of the league(Rip and AI both being off the bench at times only starting 50 ish games each and Sheed starting 13 games the rest of his career). That’s reasonable.

Focus on the last 3 months as a starter on a team that was washed(Rip and the leavings of the team won 27 and 30 games the next two years) instead of an extended prime. That’s just what we’ll do to prove a point about a player.

He has maybe two seasons his team should have been better in his prime and one was injury related which is fairly normal for a career. Means no more than Kidds last two or 3 years on the Nets with Vince when they should have been better in a shitty conference. A couple teams that should have been better(though still irrelevant) don’t make much of a point when you look into everyone else’s history.

[RRR3]

So instead of a players prime you suggest I focus on a partial season on an injury riddled team with a new coach, all it’s stars aging out of the league(Rip and AI both being off the bench at times only starting 50 ish games each and Sheed starting 13 games the rest of his career). That’s reasonable.

Focus on the last 3 months as a starter on a team that was washed(Rip and the leavings of the team won 27 and 30 games the next two years) instead of an extended prime. That’s just what we’ll do to prove a point about a player.
Blaze was I right that you think Maravich had suspect impact considering his stats or am I misremembering

[Kblaze8855]

I know he rubbed people the wrong way and players didn’t like him and other teams rejected trades to get him until his college area got an expansion team and needed star power. Players generally seemed in awe of his skills but didn’t wanna play with him.

That judge didn’t send doctor j back to Virginia we might remember it differently though.

[1987_Lakers]

So instead of a players prime you suggest I focus on a partial season on an injury riddled team with a new coach, all it’s stars aging out of the league(Rip and AI both being off the bench at times only starting 50 ish games each and Sheed starting 13 games the rest of his career). That’s reasonable.

Focus on the last 3 months as a starter on a team that was washed(Rip and the leavings of the team won 27 and 30 games the next two years) instead of an extended prime. That’s just what we’ll do to prove a point about a player.

Or how the Sixers were 5-10 with Iverson in the '07 season before he got traded, once he was swapped for Andre Miller they went 30-29 the rest of the season.

I think they were like 38-44 the year prior with Iverson having one of his best individual seasons.

[Kblaze8855]

As I said he had one maybe two teams that should have been better than they were. The full year of Webber(no knees strictly midrange shooting version though he was) was it. Not that they should have been great but they should have been decent. Which is hardly noteworthy. Same year Kidd had his best teammate arguably of his pre Dirk career as he and VC were healthy(played 162 of of 164 possible games). Vince had his only season to match his Toronto peak and they won 41 games having both he and Kidd out there every night in a bad conference.

Far better players than AI have been sub .500 with healthy hall of fame teammates we just pick and choose who to acknowledge it for. All kinds of hall of famers won similar or less than AI and most had more talented teams to do it. Guys like Nique and Lanier won like 3 playoff series their entire careers. I think Mullin won 3 in his 12 or so years on the Warriors. Zo might have won….4? Before he was washed backing up Shaq I mean. And he had some loaded lineups.

But somehow we look at AI who played with Stackhouse for like a year and a half(who himself went on to win like 41 games with prime Grant Hill), the remains of Coleman, the remains of Webber and made the finals with Mutombo and talk about how little his teams did.

AI just attracted more attention than a lot of guys who’s game didn’t suggest they might be the problem so we watch guys like Mullin have 25ppg seasons with 2 other hall of famers in run tmc and win 38 or 42 games and it doesn’t occur to us to ask if he’s the reason. He wasn’t for the record. Nobody was.

Its not that simple. Careers are rarely winning coast to coast and when they are there’s usually great stability of high end teammates or these days…simply changing teams to ensure you never have a bad one for long.

Lebron is top…whatever. Struggles to win with this lineup which has a better player than anyone AI ever played with because it has poor shooting…which is still better than AIs shooting support.

Put Lebron out there with Iversons teams not a one of them does anything that matters. Maybe win 47 instead of 42 or something. Maybe….maaaaybe the 08 Nuggets win more games then fall short of the title anyway. They could contend. With prime Lebron replacing AI who had like a year left in the league.

Philly?

Lebron isn’t doing shit. Imagine if in 07 when he had Snow instead of Boobie as the other guard lighting it up to beat the Pistons he had Kevin Ollie who had made 2 threes to that point in his career. Then having Lynch(15 threes career high) spacing the floor instead of Sasha. Lebron have a good team? No. But he had a team much more suited for an attacking wing. Lebron with prime AIs team would get mobbed as teams dared those bums to beat him. Much as Mckie gets propped up in these discussions you wouldn’t think his name making 6th man of the year campaign was under 12ppg and 31% shooting from 3.

AI lost on teams that should lose. Occasionally they lost by marginally more than they would in a perfect world. Like most superstars. We just look the other way when the star in question doesn’t offend our purity sensors.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe comes to mind

[RRR3]

Kobe comes to mind
:facepalm

[Smook A.]

you donÂ’t know ball

Never denied how good AI was. Simply stating that I think he gets overrated a lot. People always talk about how he led a bunch of nobodies to the finals in 2001, and they never mention how many awful games he had in those playoffs where he had to rely on his teammates to step up. In game 7 of 2nd round against the Raptors, Iverson shot below 30% and the Sixers still managed to win by just 1 point because of McKie, Eric Snow, and Jones stepping up. In game 6 he also shot below 30%. Oh and don't even get me started with the ECF against the Bucks. He had 2 games where he shot BELOW 20% and the Sixers still somehow won 1 of those games. This notion that AI had no help in the 2001 playoffs and simply did everything by himself is one that I unfortunately see a lot, most notably from the newer generation of NBA fans. Sure, he had a lot of great games in the 01 playoffs, but he had some one of the worst games ever too efficiency-wise. The fact is, if it weren't for some of his teammates playing good when it mattered, AI wouldn't even have been to the finals.

[Smook A.]

Kobe comes to mind

https://c.tenor.com/nR7lr1y_7LgAAAAC/smh.gif

[Manny98]

Zach Lavine
Bradley Beal

[Gohan]

A lot of the new generation tends to forget just how inefficient Iverson was in his prime. Multiple full seasons shooting only 40-41% and a couple seasons shooting UNDER 40%. Yeah he was still a damn good player, especially for his height, but he gets really overrated by fans. I've seen plenty of morons on the internet rank him as high as top 15, top 20 in the all-time list
Hes a top 10 player of all time, whoever has him lower is delusional

[Gohan]

Or how the Sixers were 5-10 with Iverson in the '07 season before he got traded, once he was swapped for Andre Miller they went 30-29 the rest of the season.

I think they were like 38-44 the year prior with Iverson having one of his best individual seasons.
He got injured and fell off. Before he got injured he was averaging 34.1

[BigShotBob]

A lot of the new generation tends to forget just how inefficient Iverson was in his prime. Multiple full seasons shooting only 40-41% and a couple seasons shooting UNDER 40%. Yeah he was still a damn good player, especially for his height, but he gets really overrated by fans. I've seen plenty of morons on the internet rank him as high as top 15, top 20 in the all-time list

No one shot well during Iverson's time because of the rules they played under. Context is everything

[Proctor]

A lot of the new generation tends to forget just how inefficient Iverson was in his prime. Multiple full seasons shooting only 40-41% and a couple seasons shooting UNDER 40%. Yeah he was still a damn good player, especially for his height, but he gets really overrated by fans. I've seen plenty of morons on the internet rank him as high as top 15, top 20 in the all-time list
A Harden stan writing off Iverson as inefficient and someone who had a lacking court impact. Okay :roll:

Harden is what would happen if you gave him half of Iverson's brain cells and doubled the body weight.

[Smook A.]

A Harden stan writing off Iverson as inefficient and someone who had a lacking court impact. Okay :roll:

Harden is what would happen if you gave him half of Iverson's brain cells and doubled the body weight.

Of-****ing-course you bring Harden into a post that has nothing to do with him. Further proving my statement about how weirdly obsessed you are with Harden :roll:

RENT. FREE. :roll::roll:

[Kblaze8855]

Never denied how good AI was. Simply stating that I think he gets overrated a lot. People always talk about how he led a bunch of nobodies to the finals in 2001, and they never mention how many awful games he had in those playoffs where he had to rely on his teammates to step up. In game 7 of 2nd round against the Raptors, Iverson shot below 30% and the Sixers still managed to win by just 1 point because of McKie, Eric Snow, and Jones stepping up. In game 6 he also shot below 30%. Oh and don't even get me started with the ECF against the Bucks. He had 2 games where he shot BELOW 20% and the Sixers still somehow won 1 of those games. This notion that AI had no help in the 2001 playoffs and simply did everything by himself is one that I unfortunately see a lot, most notably from the newer generation of NBA fans. Sure, he had a lot of great games in the 01 playoffs, but he had some one of the worst games ever too efficiency-wise. The fact is, if it weren't for some of his teammates playing good when it mattered, AI wouldn't even have been to the finals.



Funny you talk about misleading talk and bring up a game he shot poorly but was universally praised for having his career high in assists and learning to trust teammates. He had 21/16 and scored or assisted on well over 60% of the teams points in a game 7 win and the entire sports world was talking about him finding a way to lead with his shot off. 20 years later it’s them finding a way to win without him.

Whatever anyone thinks they can’t make a case for that being anything but one of the worst teams to ever play a finals game.

Other than AI id want exactly one player on that team starting if I had a choice and you wouldn’t either. Maybe if you advance deep roster guys to their primes. As of 01?

You can keep Hill, Lynch, Snow, Mckie, Jones, Todd McCullough, Geiger, Kevin Ollie, and Rodney Buford. I want NONE of those guys on the Bulls right now even off the bench much less playing big minutes. And you wouldn’t want them starting on the Rockets either.

[ShawkFactory]

Monta Ellis comes to mind