Beverly was never on losing team before Lebron and Westbrook never miss playoffs

[3ba11]

But now it's their fault the Lakers are losing... :whatever:

stop watching TV guys

[ShawkFactory]

They're losing because the team is old and has no depth.

[3ba11]

They're losing because the team is old and has no depth.


The team has tons of proven veterans that produced well and won previously like Beverly, Westbrook, Nunn, and Anderson.

And AD.

And if we added Draymond Green, the Lakers would still suck because it's a losing brand of ball and Draymond is worthless on a losing team.

That's why brand of ball matters because it elevates role players like Beverly, Westbrook, Draymond or Wiggins - remember how Wiggins was so underwhelming in Minnesota

So don't blame the veterans on the Lakers or talented young players like Walker - blame the brand of ball (strategy, chemistry, fits) that are based around Lebron's skillset.

Remember that Lebron's skillset requires super-teams to win or a sidekick that can outscore him (AD) - he never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer

[ShawkFactory]

The team has tons of proven veterans that produced well and won previously like Beverly, Westbrook, Nunn, and Anderson.

And AD.

And if we added Draymond Green, the Lakers would still suck because it's a losing brand of ball and Draymond is worthless on a losing team.

That's why brand of ball matters because it elevates role players like Beverly, Westbrook, Draymond or Wiggins - remember how Wiggins was a massive bum in Minnesota

So don't blame the veterans on the Lakers or talented young players like Walker - blame the brand of ball (strategy, chemistry, fits) that are based around Lebron's skillset.

Remember that Lebron's skillset requires super-teams to win or a sidekick that can outscore him (AD) - he never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer

:roll:

[3ba11]

:roll:


How is the group of Lebron, AD, Westbrook and Beverly not sufficient veteran leadership?

So you're just wrong here




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if we added Draymond Green, the Lakers would still suck because it's a losing brand of ball and Draymond is worthless on a losing team.

That's why brand of ball matters because it elevates role players like Beverly, Westbrook, Draymond or Wiggins - remember how Wiggins was so underwhelming in Minnesota

So don't blame the Lakers' veterans or talented young players like Walker - blame the brand of ball (strategy, chemistry, fits) that are based around Lebron's skillset.

Remember that Lebron's skillset requires super-teams to win or a sidekick that can outscore him (AD) - he never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer

[ShawkFactory]

How is the group of Lebron, AD, Westbrook and Beverly not sufficient veteran leadership?

So you're just wrong here


Because they're average age is 35..and they have no depth outside of that. Replace Westbrook with Desmond Bane or something and it would look a lot better.

[3ba11]

Because they're average age is 35..and they have no depth outside of that. Replace Westbrook with Desmond Bane or something and it would look a lot better.


Westbrook and Beverly were winners and never lost before Lebron

Lebron has made them losers and has cratered their reputation

And who is Bane? What has he ever done? How is he more proven than Westbrook or AD?

The reality is that Lebron would likely crater Bane and make him look underwhelming just like Ingram, Hughes, Kuzma, Jamison and more.. Lebron was lottery in 2019 with these guys, or lost in the 2nd Round with high seeds three times (06', 08', 10')... So Bane wouldn't do shit for this team - remember that Lebron's skillset never won without super-teams - certainly not as the clear-cut top producer because AD led the Lakers in 2020 and carried them to the Finals

[ShawkFactory]

Ok.


And who is Bane?

A better, more effective basketball player than Westbrook. Regardless of setting.

[StrongLurk]

OP is just one massive loser. Loser incarnate.

[3ba11]

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A better, more effective basketball player than Westbrook. Regardless of setting.





So was Ingram

So was Jamison and Hughes (above).. Lebron begged for Hughes and then cratered him just like Westbrook

Accordingly, Ingram, Hughes and Jamison were underwhelming alongside Lebron and were lottery (19') or 2nd Round losers with high seeds (06', 08', 1'0')

So Bane would be another victim and wouldn't move the needle... Lebron skillset simply needs super-teams to win - he never won without super-teams as the clear-cut top producer

[nineiron]

They're losing because the team is old and has no depth.

replace Lebron with any other superstar (KD, Kawhi, Curry, etc..) and the Lakers become contenders to win the West.

we all know what the real problem is

[3ba11]

replace Lebron with any other superstar (KD, Kawhi, Curry, etc..) and the Lakers become contenders to win the West.

we all know what the real problem is



AD is a rich man's Wiggins, so it's impossible that Lebron doesn't have enough help

AD and Westbrook were 1st options on their own teams, so Lebron might be the only guy that routinely has all-timer 1st options play 2nd and 3rd option for him

It's literally impossible that he doesn't have enough help

[ShawkFactory]

AD is a rich man's Wiggins, so it's impossible that Lebron doesn't have enough help

AD and Westbrook were 1st options on their own teams, so Lebron might be the only guy that routinely has all-timer 1st options play 2nd and 3rd option for him

It's literally impossible that he doesn't have enough help

Ahhh see, you went a little overboard. Tamp it down next time.

[Airupthere]

Almost 20 years into his career and yet same storyline... MOOOAAARRR HHAAALLLPPP!!!! :oldlol:

[Johnny32]

it's three games into the season you fat tard.

[Johnny32]

They're losing because the team is old and has no depth.

is this tard even watching the games lol wtf.

[Johnny32]

Because they're average age is 35..and they have no depth outside of that. Replace Westbrook with Desmond Bane or something and it would look a lot better.

1. you're illiterate
2. that was last yr, dumbass.

[ShawkFactory]

1. you're illiterate
2. that was last yr, dumbass.

1. You don't know what illiterate means
2. It was a very slight exaggeration. Westbrook and Beverly are 34 and Lebron is 37.

[Nb1]

Westbrook and Beverly were winners and never lost before Lebron


This must be the most retarded take i've ever seen in sports history :roll:

Please, enlighten us about how many rings both won in their 20 yr careers :roll:

[Johnny32]

1. You don't know what illiterate means
2. It was a very slight exaggeration. Westbrook and Beverly are 34 and Lebron is 37.

you're a fat illiterate disgusting casual who hasn't watched one lal gm this season.

[ShawkFactory]

you're a fat illiterate disgusting casual who hasn't watched one lal gm this season.

And you're either forgetting to switch between your alts or are drunk on a Tuesday morning/early afternoon. Or both.

[Johnny32]

is this tard even watching the games lol wtf.

and to answer my own question...clearly not.

[Airupthere]

And you're either forgetting to switch between your alts or are drunk on a Tuesday morning/early afternoon. Or both.

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

And you're either forgetting to switch between your alts or are drunk on a Tuesday morning/early afternoon. Or both.
:lol

[Johnny32]

fun fact: lal only has 3 players on THEY'RE roster over 30.

fat illiterate disgusting casual - hurrr, dere old, duh average age is 35, durrr

[ShawkFactory]

fun fact: lal only has 3 players on THEY'RE roster over 30.

fat illiterate disgusting casual - hurrr, dere old, duh average age is 35, durrr

The important players are all old or injury prone. This was obviously my point.

You can mention Austin Reeves and continue acting like an angsty teen whose parents are going through a divorce if you want.

[SouBeachTalents]

The important players are all old or injury prone. This was obviously my point.

You can mention Austin Reeves and continue acting like an angsty teen whose parents are going through a divorce if you want.
Shut up you fat illiterate disgusting casual

[Johnny32]

fun fact: lal plays 10 deep and they're still missing two rotation players. team has incredible depth.

fat kid on the internet pretending to know ball is a fat kid on the internet pretending to know ball.

[ShawkFactory]

Shut up you fat illiterate disgusting casual

:lol

[Johnny32]

notice how the other fat lifers naturally side with their own pathetic kind even when she's been proven completely clueless and wrong multiple times with very little effort. how embarrassing.

[ShawkFactory]

fun fact: lal plays 10 deep and they're still missing two rotation players. team has incredible depth.

fat kid on the internet pretending to know ball is a fat kid on the internet pretending to know ball.

Wait...are you equating depth with the literal number of players? :lol

Every team has 15 players kid. Having to rotate more because none of them are good enough to warrant more minutes doesn't help your "argument".

[Johnny32]

the illiterate fat kid doesn't understand the difference between a teams roster size and a teams rotation. so pathetic. so embarrassing. inside hoops tard forum in a nutshell.

[ShawkFactory]

the illiterate fat kid doesn't understand the difference between a teams roster size and a teams rotation. so pathetic. so embarrassing. inside hoops tard forum in a nutshell.

I'll repeat:


Having to rotate more because none of them are good enough to warrant more minutes doesn't help your "argument".

[3ba11]

Ahhh see, you went a little overboard. Tamp it down next time.


The point is that AD is much better than Wiggins, so Lebron has more help than Curry.. He simply cannot complain about "help"

And the word "help" is defined as on-paper supporting talent - the Lakers have tons, but Lebron's skillset is bad at chemistry, while Curry's superior strategy utilizes his lower-producing teammates more effectively.

specifically, hie imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, so he lacks the teammate development, fits and brand to win organically and must be a talent-based winner instead (team-hopper.. all-star team strategy).

[ShawkFactory]

The point is that AD is much better than Wiggins, so Lebron has more help than Curry.. And the word "help" is defined as on-paper supporting talent - the Lakers have tons, but Lebron's skillset is bad at chemistry, while Curry's superior strategy utilizes his lower-producing teammates more effectively.

specifically, hie imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, so he lacks the teammate development, fits and brand to win organically and must be a talent-based winner instead (team-hopper.. all-star team strategy).

I understood the point you were making.

It's just a stupid point.

[3ba11]

I understood the point you were making.

It's just a stupid point.


It's the same point you guys make about Pippen - you claim that he was better than opposing 2nd options, so Jordan had more help - it's a good argument if true, which it is for AD, but not for Pippen.

Pippen never went toe-to-toe with the best players in the league like AD over Jokic, Kyrie over Curry, or Wade over Dirk... Show me where Pippen was anywhere near Barkley, Malone or Shaq, let alone outplay them..

Pippen was a secondary producer like Iggy or Wiggins, while Lebron's sidekicks are elite-producing 1st options.

[Spuddywebby]

Russell Westbrook Washington Wizards 2020-2021 record 34-38

[3ba11]

Russell Westbrook Washington Wizards 2020-2021 record 34-38


Made playoffs

Russ only missed them with Lebron

Russ needs elite shooting help like Beal, Durant or Paul George to make playoffs - Lebron isn't good enough - not enough help

[ShawkFactory]

It's the same point you guys make about Pippen - you claim that he was better than opposing 2nd options, so Jordan had more help - it's a good argument if true, which it is for AD, but not for Pippen.

Pippen was never going toe-to-toe with the best players in the league like AD over Jokic, Kyrie over Curry, or Wade over Dirk... Show me where Pippen was anywhere near Barkley, Malone or Shaq, let alone outplay them..

Pippen was a secondary producer like Iggy or Wiggins, while Lebron's sidekicks are elite-producing 1st options.

Pretty sure you started the whole player X's second option is better than play Y's, therefore player X had more help. The Pippen talk was a way to once again shove your own logic in your face, as you so inviting ask a lot of times.

The logic is stupid regardless of who started it though.

[3ba11]

Pretty sure you started the whole player X's second option is better than play Y's, therefore player X had more help. The Pippen talk was a way to once again shove your own logic in your face, as you so inviting ask a lot of times.

The logic is stupid regardless of who started it though.


Well the historical record tells us that all the best 2nd options are infact 1b's that go toe-to-toe with the best players in the league and produce at an elite level.. Pippen is the only notable sidekick that was never on this level.. AD demolished Joker, while Kyrie destroyed Curry and Wade outplayed Dirk.. All the 90's sidekicks had dominant performances like this too, such as KJ over Magic or Porter over Stockton in the 92' WCF.. Or Kemp over Hakeem and Malone in the 96' Playoffs... Or Stockton in Barkley's face to walk-off into the 97' Finals.. Penny averaged 26 against Drexler and Hakeem in 95'.

Again, only Pippen couldn't dominate, take over, or achieve elite stats, so only MJ faced maximum defensive attention at all times (carried scoring load in every series).

[Spuddywebby]

Made playoffs

Russ only missed them with Lebron

Russ needs elite shooting help like Beal, Durant or Paul George to make playoffs - Lebron isn't good enough - not enough help

Every top player needs help. Curry needs Draymond to make up for his awful defense and Klay to keep the double/triple teams away. Jordan’s dynasty teams always had, what was for the time, a sharp shooter (Kerr/Hodges/Paxson etc), to make teams pay for double teaming Jordan and a solid rebounder to get Jordan the ball. Lebron gets doubled driving, he is passing to AD/Beverly/Russ, who are shooting 20% from three and Pat and Russ field goal percentage is 20%!! I don’t think there is anyone else in the league that low. Russ’s game is midrange and finishing around the basket, how do you shoot 20%???

[ShawkFactory]

Well the historical record tells us that all the best 2nd options are infact 1b's that go toe-to-toe with the best players in the league and produce at an elite level.. Pippen is the only notable sidekick that was never on this level.. AD demolished Joker, while Kyrie destroyed Curry and Wade outplayed Dirk.. All the 90's sidekicks had dominant performances like this too, such as KJ over Magic or Porter over Stockton in the 92' WCF.. Or Kemp over Hakeem and Malone in the 96' Playoffs... Or Stockton in Barkley's face to walk-off into the 97' Finals.. Penny averaged 26 against Drexler and Hakeem in 95'.

Again, only Pippen couldn't dominate, take over, or achieve elite stats, so only MJ faced maximum defensive attention at all times (carried scoring load in every series).

Pippen's name is mentioned and you immediately forget about what you were talking about :lol

It's like Tourette's or something.

[Axe]

How many threads about kong by op in the last six hours? Lmao.

[Spurs m8]

LeBarry did it with Westbrook...he'll do it to Bev.

LeTeamKiller

[3ba11]

Every top player needs help. Curry needs Draymond to make up for his awful defense and Klay to keep the double/triple teams away. Jordan’s dynasty teams always had, what was for the time, a sharp shooter (Kerr/Hodges/Paxson etc), to make teams pay for double teaming Jordan and a solid rebounder to get Jordan the ball. Lebron gets doubled driving, he is passing to AD/Beverly/Russ, who are shooting 20% from three and Pat and Russ field goal percentage is 20%!! I don’t think there is anyone else in the league that low. Russ’s game is midrange and finishing around the basket, how do you shoot 20%???



The Bulls didn't need much shooting help because their highest volume shooter provided it:



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[Full Court]

Made playoffs

Russ only missed them with Lebron

Russ needs elite shooting help like Beal, Durant or Paul George to make playoffs - Lebron isn't good enough - not enough help

Exactly. It's sad and shameful that the Lakers are wasting Westbrook's last years in the NBA by not giving him the help he needs.

[3ba11]

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Vindicated....


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Another decisive win for 3ball






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