How are people so far apart on the interpretation of basic rules?

[Kblaze8855]

I promise you I’m not here at the moment for a then vs now lax rules giving the illusion of more skill thing. I don’t care which era you like or what players you rep. What I’m asking you is how on earth after we all grow up knowing the basic rules of dribbling how anyone sees this:







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and argues with people saying it’s a carry. Claims that people who see a carry don’t know the rules.

Now I know the nba doesn’t care and lets everyone carry and that the complainers are generally doing it about someone they don’t like while ignoring that 100% of the league does it….but I thought we understood what it was. That we knew it was happening and just not being called as not to disrupt the game by…you know…making the best players actually play it.

But it’s feeling like people don’t even know what it is anymore.

These seemed to be normal humans not trolls.

Is there actually any dispute that was one of the most blatant violations you’ve ever seen?

Is “It’s a carry but I don’t care” no longer an option? We have to flat out pretend it wasn’t?

[iamgine]

This is not the most egregious carry I've seen. Sometimes during the flow of the game, people carry, travel, double dribble and the ref just missed it.

[warriorfan]

trying to manufacture another jordan

[Airupthere]

It seems there are still enough people who would call that out as a carry. But equally, it seems to me there are a good number of younger people who may not find anything wrong with it and this number might just continue to grow.

[ShawkFactory]

It seems there are still enough people who would call that out as a carry. But equally, it seems to me there are a good number of younger people who may not find anything wrong with it and this number might just continue to grow.

It make sense why younger people wouldn't find anything wrong with it. Everyone has been allowed to do it for almost 20 years, maybe more. And the leeway seems to be getting even larger.

They haven't changed the rules but rather chose not to enforce some in certain situations. So it's wrong by the book, but can something really be wrong when it's not actually wrong on the court?

Going 74 in a 65 is technically speeding.

[FultzNationRISE]

It's not a carry.

Lebron's hand never actually touches the bottom of the ball - it's an illusion, a sleight of hand that he's spent hours in the gym practicing and perfecting. It fakes the opponent out without actually violating any rules.

You're treading a fine line making threads like this about our King, kblaze. That's all Im gonna say...

[Kblaze8855]

This is not the most egregious carry I've seen. Sometimes during the flow of the game, people carry, travel, double dribble and the ref just missed it.


Gotra be on the short list. How often is anyone this far under the ball?


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Its as if he were doing a textbook carry to show you what it means.

[Kblaze8855]

It make sense why younger people wouldn't find anything wrong with it. Everyone has been allowed to do it for almost 20 years, maybe more. And the leeway seems to be getting even larger.

They haven't changed the rules but rather chose not to enforce some in certain situations. So it's wrong by the book, but can something really be wrong when it's not actually wrong on the court?

Going 74 in a 65 is technically speeding.



Sure. And when you get a ticket your defense can’t be that it isn’t speeding. You can argue everyone does it. But not that you aren’t.

[Full Court]

There's no question it's a carry. Anyone that says otherwise has never read or doesn't understand the rule. Just because refs don't call it doesn't mean it's in accordance with the rules.

[Full Court]

I think this one was worse though:

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[HylianNightmare]

Him and giannis are the worst

[Shooter]

trying to manufacture another jordan

Yeah, that was the bar up until 2016.

Now they're trying to manufacture another LeBron (look at Luka).

[TheGoatest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj5pzgfsu1M

Foolish jordon also made a career out of constantly illegally carrying/palming the ball.

[iamgine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jz5abFcmvE

[Kblaze8855]

I didn’t realize you posted that and came here to post this:

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It was his third of the night. The Heat had some too. Apparently the refs were told to tell the truth for a night in a memo but Kerr didn’t read his points of emphasis email.

[Overdrive]

If the NBA doesn't want to become a full blown clown league they have to start to call stuff like this. We're stricter on our blacktops about this. Not about some and1 style carries where it's part of a move, but these nonchalant carries, double dribbles and post up travels make defense almost impossible.

The moment someone picks up the ball you know you can tighten the defense. Dude keeps dribbling on? He will will blow by. I don't get how carrying is so easily ignored.

[plowking]

Gotra be on the short list. How often is anyone this far under the ball?


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Its as if he were doing a textbook carry to show you what it means.


My question is, how do these guys get into the flow of actually making plays like this when their entire highschool and college careers they were getting called super strict for it.

I just don't think I could ever switch off like that to the point that something like that happens. I mean, we've seen the clip where guys just carrying the ball up the court and take 6 steps before even dribbling. Like, how does that happen after playing ball for that long lol...

[Kblaze8855]

Kerr and Dray acknowledge Poole does carry and so does every guard in the league:




https://youtu.be/dAnnPioVi7c




Dray stars around 4:20. Mentions even the best ball handlers carry all game and that he’s fine calling it long as it’s called on everyone. Called out Lowry and Jimmy Butler from the same game.

Really…you bring back 70s refs? People who call games by the book and don’t care about fans wanting action?

Whoever you think has the nicest handles probably has 13 turnovers a game and be able to get it down to 4-5 in time. We say we aren’t here for fake ball and 1 shows but would you consider that extreme even if accurate?

Id like to see some modern fans forced to watch some of the current stars play the real basketball rules the guys they think had no handles 40 years ago had to play.

[Overdrive]

Kerr and Dray acknowledge Poole does carry and so does every guard in the league:




https://youtu.be/dAnnPioVi7c




Dray stars around 4:20. Mentions even the best ball handlers carry all game and that he’s fine calling it long as it’s called on everyone. Called out Lowry and Jimmy Butler from the same game.

Really…you bring back 70s refs? People who call games by the book and don’t care about fans wanting action?

Whoever you think has the nicest handles probably has 13 turnovers a game and be able to get it down to 4-5 in time. We say we aren’t here for fake ball and 1 shows but would you consider that extreme even if accurate?

Id like to see some modern fans forced to watch some of the current stars play the real basketball rules the guys they think had no handles 40 years ago had to play.

Not 70s refs, but somewhen in the last 20 years the gradually let carries and travels slide. First it was ok to have your hand on the side of the ball and now it becomes being okay to basically pick it up during dribbling.

They should just make a clear rule change that a certain hand angle is ok, but straight up carrying the ball should be sanctioned. The NBA is becoming more and more a Harlem Globetrotters league.

[Kblaze8855]

Know what’s odd? The early globetrotters played more legally than modern guards handles wise



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[Kblaze8855]

This guy might be my favorite Twitter follow right now. Reggie Jackson might really be the most egregious in the league:

https://twitter.com/devinthelab/status/1603065185945559047?s=46&t=_BqXuJ4aA6Ot-PRdKF1REg


Mariah Carry….Jim Carry….


He has wild videos on Giannis, Luka, and others too. He and KD had a little back and forth that was unusually civil for KD.

[Street Hunger]

One big issue is it's hard for NBA referees to call a lot of this stuff if it's very close. Like think of how fast these players are moving, then try to imagine how difficult it is to figure out exactly what is or is not a carry in super fast speed