Are we gonna keep pretending Lebron's not shooting under 26% from 3?

[RogueBorg]

I know ya'll want to keep blaming Westbrook for shooting badly but what about Lebron? He had 8 TO's last night and sucks from 3. I'm gonna say it again, for as important as the 3 is in today's game and for how much these guys practice it he is a terrible shooter. And the worst part is, he's shooting it more than anytime in his career.

[SATAN]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM

:oldlol:

[tontoz]

https://youtu.be/03GT8q3BCZY

[SATAN]

https://youtu.be/03GT8q3BCZY

Why is MJ acting like hitting 7 3 point shots in a game is an absolute fluke?

It's not like Rex Chapman hasn't done the same when MJ tried to guard him. :confusedshrug:

[TheGoatest]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM

:oldlol:

5 seasons below 20%.
And let's not forget this gem:

https://images4.imagebam.com/23/69/88/MEG2GZ3_o.png

That's Foolish jordon for ya. :roll:

[SATAN]

lmao@ MJ even surprising himself after hitting a few 3 point shots.

Wonder why. :confusedshrug:

[SATAN]

5 seasons below 20%.
And let's not forget this gem:

https://images4.imagebam.com/23/69/88/MEG2GZ3_o.png

That's Foolish jordon for ya. :roll:

:oldlol:

[tontoz]

Why is MJ acting like hitting 7 3 point shots in a game is an absolute fluke?

It's not like Rex Chapman hasn't done the same when MJ tried to guard him. :confusedshrug:


Making 6 straight 3s in the first half of a Finals game was pretty rare back then. How many times has Lebron done that?

FYI it was a NBA record at the time.

[SATAN]

Making 6 straight 3s in the first half of a Finals game was pretty rare back then. How many times has Lebron done that?

Never needed to nor is a shot jacker (despite being all time scoring leader soon).

[tontoz]

Never needed to nor is a shot jacker (despite being all time scoring leader soon).


In other words Lebron never did it.

He lost in the finals 6 times. I bet making 6 straight 3s in a half could have made a difference in some of those games.

[SATAN]

MJ stans disregard context ALWAYS.

Either that or they don't know how to play basketball. Which is literally what I witnessed in real life btw.

MJ's acting like David Blane is making his shots go in somehow. Mark Price does this and it's great but not the ordeal MJ stans make it out to be.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yes, he's shooting terribly from 3 this season, and he's shooting too many of them. But as I pointed out to OP when he made this point previously, if you discount this whopping 4 game sample size, LeBron is far from a terrible 3 point shooter. Over the last decade he's shot 36% from 3 on 5 attempts a game, so OP doesn't know what he's talking about per usual.

[Airupthere]

In other words Lebron never did it.

He lost in the finals 6 times. I bet making 6 straight 3s in a half could have made a difference in some of those games.

:oldlol: in a 3pt heavily oriented league, odd that lebron could not even make that much straight 3s.

[SATAN]

Yes, he's shooting terribly from 3 this season, and he's shooting too many of them. But as I pointed out to OP when he made this point previously, if you discount this whopping 4 game sample size, LeBron is far from a terrible 3 point shooter. Over the last decade he's shot 36% from 3 on 5 attempts a game, so OP doesn't know what he's talking about per usual.

Solid post. :applause:

[Axe]

Is op really unaware of how old he is or how many years he is in the league rn?

[tontoz]

MJ stans disregard context ALWAYS.

Either that or they don't know how to play basketball. Which is literally what I witnessed in real life btw.

MJ's acting like David Blane is making his shots go in somehow. Mark Price does this and it's great but not the ordeal MJ stans make it out to be.

Setting an NBA Finals record for 3s made in a half was a pretty big deal. That might still be the record.

[SATAN]

Setting an NBA Finals record for 3s made in a half was a pretty big deal. That might still be the record.

lmao@ in a half. The grasping is beyond belief. Perhaps he should have just kept shooting them and got twice as many? That would have been more impressive?

"IN A HALF!"

:roll:

[tontoz]

lmao@ in a half. The grasping is beyond belief. Perhaps he should have just kept shooting them and got twice as many? That would have been more impressive?

"IN A HALF!"

:roll:


An NBA Finals record isn't grasping. The record for a Finals game is 9, only 3 more, and it was set by Curry the greatest 3 pt shooter ever.

How many times has Lebron made 6 3s in a Finals game? He has played in a lot of them so he should have done it several times if it's no big deal.

Edit: Lebron did it only once in his career. :roll:

[RogueBorg]

Nice Red Herring. What does another player's shooting have to do with the fact Lebron is under 26% from 3 this year?

[RogueBorg]

Over the last decade he's shot 36% from 3 on 5 attempts a game, so OP doesn't know what he's talking about per usual.

Lebron is a career 34% three-point shooter. Why are you not including his entire 20-year career?

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron is a career 34% three-point shooter. Why are you not including his entire 20-year career?

Yea...it’s been 20 years. Literally.

[Full Court]

Another fun that that Bronies refuse to even acknowledge:

Jordan has a higher career 3-point shooting % in finals that Lebron does.

You know, when it actually counts.

Truth hurts.

[TheGoatest]

lmao@ in a half. The grasping is beyond belief. Perhaps he should have just kept shooting them and got twice as many? That would have been more impressive?

"IN A HALF!"

:roll:

Nevermind the thousands and thousands of on-court minutes worth of data that show Foolish jordon was a crap 3-point shooter. :roll:

[Spurs m8]

https://youtu.be/03GT8q3BCZY

One 3 for every LeBarry finals loss

[beau_boy04]

Lebron never been great shooting 3' he's a streaky shooter.

[Full Court]

One 3 for every LeBarry finals loss

:roll:

And Jordan STILL has a higher 3-pt % in finals than Bronie....

[theman93]

:roll:

And Jordan STILL has a higher 3-pt % in finals than Bronie....

Not to mention Lebron's 3 point % is only 0.5% higher than Jordan's in the playoffs in an era where the 3 point shot is practiced religiously :lol

[tontoz]

Nevermind the thousands and thousands of on-court minutes worth of data that show Foolish jordon was a crap 3-point shooter. :roll:


Yet LeBron only made 6 3s once in 55 finals games. Jordan did it in one half.....but it's no big deal.:lol

Jordan proved that he could make 3s when he actually tried. He took over 2 3 pt attempts per game 4 times in his career and shot over 35% in each of those seasons.

[SATAN]

LeBron is going to average somewhere around 36% this season. This thread is stupid.

But hey, that's MJ stans for ya.

"IN ONE HALF!"... :oldlol:

:facepalm

[SATAN]

Jordan proved that he could make 3s when he actually tried.

Yeah let's apply this logic right here.

LeBrOn WaSnT tRyInG tHoUgH!

See how ****ing stupid that is?

[Full Court]

:lebroncry:


:lebroncry:

:roll:

[tontoz]

Yeah let's apply this logic right here.

LeBrOn WaSnT tRyInG tHoUgH!

See how ****ing stupid that is?

How many seasons did LeBron attempt less than 2 3s per game?

[SATAN]

I just noticed there is a mother duck and a gang of chicks in the backyard. No idea where they came from. :biggums:

[TheGoatest]

Yet LeBron only made 6 3s once in 55 finals games. Jordan did it in one half.....but it's no big deal.:lol

Jordan proved that he could make 3s when he actually tried. He took over 2 3 pt attempts per game 4 times in his career and shot over 35% in each of those seasons.

Nah, Foolish jordon's 5 seasons below 20% don't allow him to be mentioned in the same sentence as #10 in all-time 3 pointers LeBron.
His one game with 6 3 pointers in a half does make him tied with Manute Bol in terms of being as good of a 3 point shooter though:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CxSZmnAT5I

So congrats to Foolish jordon for being as good of a 3 point shooter as Manute Bol. :roll:

[tontoz]

Nah, Foolish jordon's 5 seasons below 20% don't allow him to be mentioned in the same sentence as #10 in all-time 3 pointers LeBron.
His one game with 6 3 pointers in a half does make him tied with Manute Bol in terms of being as good of a 3 point shooter though:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CxSZmnAT5I

So congrats to Foolish jordon for being as good of a 3 point shooter as Manute Bol. :roll:


When was Manute Bol in the Finals? I must have missed it.

Every top player has times when they are forced to take a tough shot from behind the line at the end of the clock. If a player takes 8 3s a game, those forced shots make up a small percentage of total attempts. If a player takes 1 3 per game, those forced shots are a much higher percentage of total attempts. Not hard to figure out for anyone who doesn't have an agenda. Lebron never had a season averaging only 1 3 attempt per game.

In the 96/97 season Jordan attempted 3.6 threes per game and shot them at 37.4%. How many times did Lebron shoot a better percentage than that from 3? Only twice in 20 years.

[TheGoatest]

LMAO @ you casually including the 1994-97 pee-wee distance 3-point line seasons.
Why did Foolish jordon's 3 point attempts drop from 3.6 in 1996-97 to 1.5 in 1997-98? Do you know what happened with the 3-point line in the transition between those two seasons?
Also, if according to you the more 3 point attempts Foolish jordon had = the higher his 3pt percentage was, then why didn't he attempt 15 3-pointers per game? Then his 3pt% would've been what, over 70%. :roll:

[tontoz]

LMAO @ you casually including the 1994-97 pee-wee distance 3-point line seasons.
Why did Foolish jordon's 3 point attempts drop from 3.6 in 1996-97 to 1.5 in 1997-98? Do you know what happened with the 3-point line in the transition between those two seasons?
Also, if according to you the more 3 point attempts Foolish jordon had = the higher his 3pt percentage was, then why didn't he attempt 15 3-pointers per game? Then his 3pt% would've been what, over 70%. :roll:


So Jordan needs the shortened line to shoot well from 3? Is that what you are trying to say?

How do you explain him shooting 37.6% from 3 on 3 attempts per game in 89/90?

[MadDogg]

Hoisting up threes is to preserve energy. But ya, LeBron shoots too many of them.


lmao@ in a half. The grasping is beyond belief. Perhaps he should have just kept shooting them and got twice as many? That would have been more impressive?

"IN A HALF!"

:roll:

What part of "breaking a finals record" does your retarded ass not get? :oldlol: Hitting 6 straight threes in a finals game IS impressive, much less 13 consecutive field goals. Idk why you try so hard on this gimmick. Everything you post falls flat lol.

[1987_Lakers]

In the 96/97 season Jordan attempted 3.6 threes per game and shot them at 37.4%. How many times did Lebron shoot a better percentage than that from 3? Only twice in 20 years.

Short 3 point line from '95-'97.

[TheGoatest]

So Jordan needs the shortened line to shoot well from 3? Is that what you are trying to say?

How do you explain him shooting 37.6% from 3 on 3 attempts per game in 89/90?

The same way I explain Draymond Green shooting .388 from 3 on 3.2 attempts per game in 2015-16: Over the course of his career, he is still a poor 3 point shooter.

[tontoz]

The same way I explain Draymond Green shooting .388 from 3 on 3.2 attempts per game in 2015-16: Over the course of his career, he is still a poor 3 point shooter.


Green has 7 seasons taking at least 2 threes per game shooting under 35%. Jordan had none. Whenever Jordan took at least 2 per game he shot over 35%.

In fact Green has 5 seasons shooting below 31% while attempting at least two per game.

Not a valid comp.

Jordan shot over 10% better than Green from the foul line for their careers. When evaluating college prospects foul shooting percentage correlates to success on NBA 3s much better than success from the college 3.

[3ba11]

shooting 25% on 9 attempts is low IQ basketball..

This is in addition to his ball-dominance and low assist teams - so Lebron is not a smart player.

Otoh, Jordan only shot poorly at meaningless volume (1.5 attempts or less)... That's high IQ, in addition to fostering ball movement and dynasty chemistry by playing off-ball (high assist teams).. that's goat IQ

[Full Court]

Another fun that that Bronies refuse to even acknowledge:

Jordan has a higher career 3-point shooting % in finals that Lebron does.

You know, when it actually counts.

Truth hurts.

This^

The truth REEAALLY hurts Foolish GoatTits. :lol

[TheGoatest]

Green has 7 seasons taking at least 2 threes per game shooting under 35%. Jordan had none. Whenever Jordan took at least 2 per game he shot over 35%.

In fact Green has 5 seasons shooting below 31% while attempting at least two per game.

Not a valid comp.

Jordan shot over 10% better than Green from the foul line for their careers. When evaluating college prospects foul shooting percentage correlates to success on NBA 3s much better than success from the college 3.

Way to move some goal posts, real quick. You mentioned a particular season, I mentioned a particular season.

Now you want to include free throw percentages too. :roll:

Green has 0 seasons where he shot below 20%.
Foolish jordon has 5 seasons where he shot below 20%.

So you're right about it not being a valid comparison. :roll:

[TheGoatest]

This^

The truth REEAALLY hurts Foolish GoatTits. :lol

You forgot to log out and log in with another alt of yours before quoting your Full Court post with your Full Court account. Truth does hurt:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCXSll4WAAE4MeE?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

:roll:

[SATAN]

You forgot to log out and log in with another alt of yours before quoting your Full Court post with your Full Court account. Truth does hurt:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCXSll4WAAE4MeE?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

:roll:

Hahahaha

[TheMan]

LeBron is going to average somewhere around 36% this season. This thread is stupid.

But hey, that's MJ stans for ya.

"IN ONE HALF!"... :oldlol:

:facepalm

Wanna make it interesting? If he shoots under 34% from 3, you leave this board forever, if he shoots over 34%, I'll leave. Bran was never a great shooter, he's old, his limited skills are getting worse as is his athleticism.

You in?

[tontoz]

Way to move some goal posts, real quick. You mentioned a particular season, I mentioned a particular season.

Now you want to include free throw percentages too. :roll:

Green has 0 seasons where he shot below 20%.
Foolish jordon has 5 seasons where he shot below 20%.

So you're right about it not being a valid comparison. :roll:


Shooting a bad percentage on one attempt per game is a lot different from shooting a bad percentage with 3+ attempts per game.

Like I said before star players frequently have the ball at the end of the clock and have to force up a shot. Nobody is going to shoot a good percentage on those.

Those forced attempts affect your percentage a lot more when you shoot only one per game which would be obvious to anyone who isnt a bronie.

[SATAN]

Wanna make it interesting? If he shoots under 34% from 3, you leave this board forever, if he shoots over 34%, I'll leave. Bran was never a great shooter, he's old, his limited skills are getting worse as is his athleticism.

You in?

No I'm not a gambling man. Unless it involved Chewing leaving. Who doesn't stick to his word anyway.

[TheGoatest]

Shooting a bad percentage on one attempt per game is a lot different from shooting a bad percentage with 3+ attempts per game.

Like I said before star players frequently have the ball at the end of the clock and have to force up a shot. Nobody is going to shoot a good percentage on those.

Those forced attempts affect your percentage a lot more when you shoot only one per game which would be obvious to anyone who isnt a bronie.

Yes, shooting below 20% on less than 1 3pt attempt is even worse, and suggests that you are physically incapable of hitting a 3 point shot, even when you're ultra-selective with your 3 point attempts.
Non 3-point shooters also shoot 3 point attempts when they're left wiiide open, with plenty of shot clock left.

[tontoz]

Yes, shooting below 20% on less than 1 3pt attempt is even worse, and suggests that you are physically incapable of hitting a 3 point shot, even when you're ultra-selective with your 3 point attempts.
Non 3-point shooters also shoot 3 point attempts when they're left wiiide open, with plenty of shot clock left.



Ultra selective?

:roll:

You can't be that dumb. MJ could take an open 3 any time he wanted. Teams were afraid of his drives, not his 3s.

Even after that finals game when he made 7 3s drexler said those were the shots we want him to take.

[3ba11]

Ultra selective?

:roll:

You can't be that dumb. MJ could take an open 3 any time he wanted. Teams were afraid of his drives, not his 3s.

Even after that finals game when he made 7 3s drexler said those were the shots we want him to take.


Curry would shoot poorly if he purposefully limited himself to 1 bailout three per game like MJ did

MJ didn't want to take threes and only took bailout threes at the end of shot clock - that's why his volume was low nearly every year

But anytime he had more than bailout volume, he shot at today's standard such as the 90' regular season (38% on 3 attempts), or 93' Playoffs (39% on 4 attempts), or 92' Finals (43% on 5 attempts).. Notice how his efficiency increases with volume/rhythm - great shooters can get in rhythm, so MJ would have a lot of shrug games in today's high volume format..

[Spurs m8]

This cvnt shot 1 from 6 today...16% hahahahha

[SATAN]

Michael Jordan shot 1-11 on the Olympic stage vs Puerto Rico. (0-2 from 3 btw).

Perhaps Spurs m8 can work out the percentage on those numbers. :oldlol:

[Spurs m8]

Michael Jordan shot 1-11 on the Olympic stage vs Puerto Rico. (0-2 from 3 btw).

Perhaps Spurs m8 can work out the percentage on those numbers. :oldlol:

And took home a gold medal because he elevates his team mates.

Good sample size....did he do it for 5 games?

[SATAN]

And took home a gold medal because Chuck carried him.



ftfy.

[TheMan]

Michael Jordan shot 1-11 on the Olympic stage vs Puerto Rico. (0-2 from 3 btw).

Perhaps Spurs m8 can work out the percentage on those numbers. :oldlol:

Why do you keep deflecting when the thread subject is about LeBron bricking threes? Stick to the subject at hand, please mkay?

[SATAN]

Why do you keep deflecting when the thread subject is about LeBron bricking threes? Stick to the subject at hand, please mkay?

It's not like these knuckleheads don't mention LeBron in every thread that has nothing to do with him either. Wonder why you don't say anything about that. :rolleyes:

[TheGoatest]

Ultra selective?

:roll:

You can't be that dumb. MJ could take an open 3 any time he wanted. Teams were afraid of his drives, not his 3s.

Even after that finals game when he made 7 3s drexler said those were the shots we want him to take.

Yes, he could take any 3 he wanted because teams tend to allow players with 5 seasons below 20% to shoot any 3s they want.
He still has 5 seasons below 20% despite being allowed to shoot open 3s.
And that's not even counting his abysmal performance in the 1990 3 point contest, his by far worst 3pt% on the 1992 Olympic team, etc. :roll:

[TheMan]

Yes, he could take any 3 he wanted because teams tend to allow players with 5 seasons below 20% to shoot any 3s they want.
He still has 5 seasons below 20% despite being allowed to shoot open 3s.
And that's not even counting his abysmal performance in the 1990 3 point contest, his by far worst 3pt% on the 1992 Olympic team, etc. :roll:

Speaking about letting someone shoot, remember how the Spurs let LeBron shoot any jumper he wanted? Even put big boy Boris Diaw on him and gave him space to shoot any jumper he wanted...is that because James is a great shooter? Asking for a friend...

[TheGoatest]

Speaking about letting someone shoot, remember how the Spurs let LeBron shoot any jumper he wanted? Even put big boy Boris Diaw on him and gave him space to shoot any jumper he wanted...is that because James is a great shooter? Asking for a friend...

Yes, that better-than-any-team-Foolish-jordon-ever-beat Spurs team allowed him to shoot in game 7 of the finals because they didn't know how to guard him and they figured this was the best strategy. The result? LeBron drained 5 treys and scored 37 points in game 7, after which he was handed the championship trophy along with the Finals MVP. All this despite Chris Bosh scoring 0 points in 28 minutes, Ray Allen scoring 0 points in 20 minutes and Mike Miller scoring 0 points in 19 minutes for the Heat. :applause:

[tontoz]

Yes, he could take any 3 he wanted because teams tend to allow players with 5 seasons below 20% to shoot any 3s they want.
He still has 5 seasons below 20% despite being allowed to shoot open 3s.
And that's not even counting his abysmal performance in the 1990 3 point contest, his by far worst 3pt% on the 1992 Olympic team, etc. :roll:

In those seasons when he shot poorly he wasn't trying to shoot 3s. Hence a lot of his attempts were forced shots at the end of the clock.

Might be a good idea for you to step outside and get some fresh air. Having your nose up Lebron's ass so much might be damaging your cognitive functions.

[3ba11]

Shooting 20% on threes doesn't matter if you aren't taking threes - we've never cared about efficiency on no volume

And whenever Jordan had a modicum of volume, he shot at today's standard - EVERYTIME!!

Otoh, today's players are extremely low IQ by shooting badly on high volume - it's pathetic

[TheGoatest]

In those seasons when he shot poorly he wasn't trying to shoot 3s. Hence a lot of his attempts were forced shots at the end of the clock.

Might be a good idea for you to step outside and get some fresh air. Having your nose up Lebron's ass so much might be damaging your cognitive functions.

Bill Wennington had two seasons where he shot only 1 three pointer and made it. So going by your "logic" (the fewer 3 pointers you take, the harder it is to make them), then Bill Wennington is the greatest 3 point shooter in history.
Yet I should be getting some fresh air. Friggin moron. :roll:

[tontoz]

Bill Wennington had two seasons where he shot only 1 three pointer and made it. So going by your "logic" (the fewer 3 pointers you take, the harder it is to make them), then Bill Wennington is the greatest 3 point shooter in history.
Yet I should be getting some fresh air. Friggin moron. :roll:


Jesus Christ are you incapable of reading? Star players who have the ball a lot frequently have to take forced shots at the end of the clock.

Do you think wennington fit that description?

:facepalm

If he took only one all year it obviously wasn't happening very often.

[Full Court]

Jesus Christ are you incapable of reading? Star players who have the ball a lot frequently have to take forced shots at the end of the clock.

Do you think wennington fit that description?

:facepalm

If he took only one all year it obviously wasn't happening very often.

Foolish GoatTits might be the dumbest poster on ISH. :roll:

[RogueBorg]

You can't be that dumb.

Remember who you're asking that from, he is that dumb.

[Spurs m8]

Is it true LeBarry was receiving 0 and 5 chants against the Wolves? :roll:

No one respects this guy :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Is it true LeBarry was receiving 0 and 5 chants against the Wolves? :roll:

No one respects this guy :roll:

If that is true, you don't think that it was an opposing crowd chanting about a team that they are playing against? Not everything is about Lebron.

[SouBeachTalents]

If that is true, you don't think that it was an opposing crowd chanting about a team that they are playing against? Not everything is about Lebron.
For that poster it is.

[TheMan]

Yes, that better-than-any-team-Foolish-jordon-ever-beat Spurs team allowed him to shoot in game 7 of the finals because they didn't know how to guard him and they figured this was the best strategy. The result? LeBron drained 5 treys and scored 37 points in game 7, after which he was handed the championship trophy along with the Finals MVP. All this despite Chris Bosh scoring 0 points in 28 minutes, Ray Allen scoring 0 points in 20 minutes and Mike Miller scoring 0 points in 19 minutes for the Heat. :applause:

Those Spurs were old, and that was a before his peak Leonard. The reason they were so good was because they played team basketball while LeFraud is a ball hogging stat padder. Explains why Duncan owned Bran's soul, beat him as a young pup and then also in his prime.

[1987_Lakers]

Those Spurs were old

They literally won a title the next year, being a year older.

[SouBeachTalents]

Those Spurs were old, and that was a before his peak Leonard. The reason they were so good was because they played team basketball while LeFraud is a ball hooking stat padder. Explains why Duncan owned Bran's soul, beat him as a young pup and then also in his prime.
Isiah beat Jordan 3 years in a row in his prime. Maybe, just maybe, basketball is a team sport, and not one on one like golf or tennis.

[TheMan]

They literally won a title the next year, being a year older.

Yeah, they were old, by NBA standards, thanks for making my point :cheers:

[TheGoatest]

Jesus Christ are you incapable of reading? Star players who have the ball a lot frequently have to take forced shots at the end of the clock.

Do you think wennington fit that description?

:facepalm

If he took only one all year it obviously wasn't happening very often.

First it was Foolish jordon not having enough 3 point attempts per game in his 15% shooting seasons that was misleading. Now the fact that Bill Wennington didn't have enough 3 point attempts is misleading. It is only Foolish jordon's 0.6 to 1.0 3 point attempts per game that are the magical sweet spot where shooting 15% is justified. :oldlol:
Holy crap. You sure would like your cake, and eat it too, and have Foolish jordon's jizz as glazing on top of that cake. :oldlol:
Was Julius Erving enough of a superstar for you, who held the ball at the end of shot clocks? So how did he manage to hold himself to only 0.1 3 point attempt per game? I'd buy that as only being forced 3 pointers at the end of shot clocks, not Foolish jordon's attempts.
And by the way, where is your proof that all of Foolish jordon's 3 point attempts from his 15% shooting seasons were forced 3 pointers at the end of shot clocks? You have as much proof as me when I claim that they were in fact wide open 3 pointers opponents allowed him with plenty of time on the shot clock, simply because he sucked at shooting 3s.
The hilarious thing is that even if they were all forced 3 pointers like you claim, 15% is STILL too low for even the difficult 3 pointers. :oldlol:

[tontoz]

The hilarious thing is that even if they were all forced 3 pointers like you claim



Where exactly did I claim all of Jordan's attempts were forced 3s? Please show me the exact quote you illiterate fk.

[TheGoatest]

In those seasons when he shot poorly he wasn't trying to shoot 3s. Hence a lot of his attempts were forced shots at the end of the clock.

Might be a good idea for you to step outside and get some fresh air. Having your nose up Lebron's ass so much might be damaging your cognitive functions.

So now you're claiming that not all of them were forced... or what?
Because that makes his atrocious percentage even worse. I just said that 15% would be too low for only forced 3 pointers at the end of shot clocks.

[tontoz]

So now you're claiming that not all of them were forced... or what?
Because that makes his atrocious percentage even worse. I just said that 15% would be too low for only forced 3 pointers at the end of shot clocks.



Are you not capable of understanding the difference between "a lot" or "all"?

:facepalm

[TheGoatest]

Are you not capable of understanding the difference between "a lot" or "all"?

:facepalm

So you're actually saying that only some of his 0.6-1.0 attempts were forced 3 pointers at the end of the buzzer? That only makes his abysmal 3 point percentages look worse, you dumbass!
15% would've been bad even if every one of them was a forced 3 at the end of the shot clock. But if some of them were legit, non-forced 3s, then that makes his 15% look even worse. :oldlol:

[tontoz]

So you're actually saying that only some of his 0.6-1.0 attempts were forced 3 pointers at the end of the buzzer? That only makes his abysmal 3 point percentages look worse, you dumbass!
15% would've been bad even if every one of them was a forced 3 at the end of the shot clock. But if some of them were legit, non-forced 3s, then that makes his 15% look even worse. :oldlol:


SMH

Jordan had the highest usage rate in the least most years therefore he was going to get forced to take more of those shots.

He wasn't like LeBron and KD, avoiding those shots to protect their percentages. Nobody is going to shoot a good percentage on shots like this.



https://youtu.be/UYfCMAmJc9A

[tontoz]

During the 2016-17 season, Curry shot an abysmal .067 in a specific category: shots taken from half court or beyond in the final seconds of the first, second or third quarter.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2760785-in-the-age-of-curry-and-smarter-stats-players-still-hate-the-desperation-heave

[Hey Yo]

In those seasons when he shot poorly he wasn't trying to shoot 3s. Hence a lot of his attempts were forced shots at the end of the clock..

Link confirming that?

[tontoz]

Link confirming that?


Www.commonsense.com

I just posted a vid of him making half court shots. He didn't avoid them like most players today.

[Hey Yo]

Www.commonsense.com

I just posted a vid of him making half court shots. He didn't avoid them like most players today.
One video doesn't confirm that the majority of his 3's were forced.

[tontoz]

One video doesn't confirm that the majority of his 3's were forced.


It does confirm that he was actually taking those shots unlike players today.

I also posted a story on curry shooting 1-15 on those shots a few years ago. He is the greatest shooter in NBA history.

So if just half of Jordan's attempts were end of clock heaves, and he attempted only 82 overall for the season, his percentage was going to suck even if he shot the other half well.

[Hey Yo]

It does confirm that he was actually taking those shot unlike players today.

I also posted a story on curry shooting 1-15 on those shots a few years ago. He is the greatest shooter in NBA history.

That has nothing to do with you claiming that the majority of MJ's 3's were forced / had no choice but to take the shot.

[Shooter]

Szn 20 Bron got these bois writing novels on him, 3 games into the season :lol Gotta love it

:dancin

[tontoz]

That has nothing to do with you claiming that the majority of MJ's 3's were forced / had no choice but to take the shot.


Again you LeBron stans can't read. Where exactly did I say the majority of his 3s were forced?

[Shooter]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM

:oldlol:

SHUT it DOWN

:roll: In his Prime too :roll:

[TheGoatest]

SMH

Jordan had the highest usage rate in the least most years therefore he was going to get forced to take more of those shots.

He wasn't like LeBron and KD, avoiding those shots to protect their percentages. Nobody is going to shoot a good percentage on shots like this.



https://youtu.be/UYfCMAmJc9A

Guess what. I also found a highlight video. It's from Foolish jordon's 1987-88 season that includes a 3 point attempt. It is at the 8:00 mark here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJpE1QRegis

The announcer says "9 to shoot", so no expiring shot clock bullshit.
He also has one where he barely steps on the line at the 3:00 mark. He made both of these shots, since the pro-Foolish jordon propaganda videos obviously only include his made shots. But nonetheless, they still serve as proof that he also shot ordinary 3 pointers that weren't forced and that he just plain SUCKED at 3 point shooting, because in the 1987-88 season where the video is from he shot 13%! from behind the 3 point line and made 7 3 pointers the entire season.

[tontoz]

they still serve as proof that he also shot ordinary 3 pointers that weren't forced



Once again you show your stupidity. I never claimed he didn't shoot any normal 3s during seasons when his attempts were low








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[TheGoatest]

Once again you show your stupidity. I never claimed he didn't shoot any normal 3s during seasons when his attempts were low








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Once again you showcase your goal post moving.
I shut you down with the Julius Erving example, who was a superstar who held the ball at the end of shot clocks, yet still managed to hold down his 3point attempts to 0.1 to 0.2.
I shut you down with the Bill Wennington example who shot 100% from the 3 point line, then you moved goal posts.
The truth is that you don't want to say precisely how many of Foolish jordon's attempts were forced by the shot clock ones. Mainly because you couldn't prove it even if you wanted to.
Instead you want to make it look like they were just enough of them to make his 16% look as good as possible. Which will never look good, or even acceptable for a superstar shooting guard.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2760785-in-the-age-of-curry-and-smarter-stats-players-still-hate-the-desperation-heave

This is what 3 point percentages with the shot clock being 4 seconds or less looked like last season:

https://images4.imagebam.com/09/fa/32/MEG6UO1_o.png

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shots-shotclock?PerMode=Totals&Season=2021-22&ShotClockRange=4-0%20Very%20Late&dir=D&sort=FG3M

Notice how they're all higher-to-significantly higher-to twice as high as Foolish jordon's 16% seasons? And that assuming that every single 3 point attempt Foolish jordon had in his 16% seasons was one forced by the shot clock, which as I've proven wasn't the case.

[tontoz]

End of shot clock shots aren't the same as half court heaves. A shot near the end of the clock could be right at the 3 pt line and open. It is the desperate heaves that are a problem.

How many times did Bill wennington bring the ball up court in his career? I'm guessing never. He was a center not known for his handles. :lol

Ervings NBA usage rate wasn't nearly as high as Jordan's. Erving clearly was clearly avoiding 3s but still averaged 22 attempts per year in the NBA.

I doubt Jordan ever took more than 40 of those heaves in a year. No way to know for sure. We do know that he was taking them. We also know he gave no fs that they hurt his 3 pt percentage.

If he took 35 and made 2, it would be pretty tough to get to a respectable percentage with low attempts.

[Full Court]

Foolish GoatTits getting ethered over and over again by tontoz. :roll:

Keep showing off your IQ, Foolish GoatTits.

[TheGoatest]

End of shot clock shots aren't the same as half court heaves. A shot near the end of the clock could be right at the 3 pt line and open. It is the desperate heaves that are a problem.

How many times did Bill wennington bring the ball up court in his career? I'm guessing never. He was a center not known for his handles. :lol

Ervings NBA usage rate wasn't nearly as high as Jordan's. Erving clearly was clearly avoiding 3s but still averaged 22 attempts per year in the NBA.

I doubt Jordan ever took more than 40 of those heaves in a year. No way to know for sure. We do know that he was taking them. We also know he gave no fs that they hurt his 3 pt percentage.

If he took 35 and made 2, it would be pretty tough to get to a respectable percentage with low attempts.

I already provided proof that Foolish jordon's 3 point attempts from his 16% seasons weren't "half court heaves". Erving's usage rate was 28.1% in 1981-82, where as an All-NBA 1st team perimeter superstar, he shot 0.1 3 point attempts per game. Foolish jordon's usage rate was 34.1 in 1987-88, where he shot 0.6 3 point attempts per game. Nowhere near twice as high as Erving's, yet Foolish jordon's 3 point attempts were 6 times as high. According to your theory, for which you have provided no actual proof whatsoever aside from circle-jerking conjecture, if anyone was shooting forced "halv court heave" 3 pointers, it was Erving. But he shot 27% on 3s that season, compared to Foolish jordon's 13%. Not that Erving was a good 3 point shooter by any means by the way, it just shows how horrid of a 3 point shooter Foolish jordon was.

Once again, you have been by facts and data.

[tontoz]

I already provided proof that Foolish jordon's 3 point attempts from his 16% seasons weren't "half court heaves". Erving's usage rate was 28.1% in 1981-82, where as an All-NBA 1st team perimeter superstar, he shot 0.1 3 point attempts per game. Foolish jordon's usage rate was 34.1 in 1987-88, where he shot 0.6 3 point attempts per game. Nowhere near twice as high as Erving's, yet Foolish jordon's 3 point attempts were 6 times as high. According to your theory, for which you have provided no actual proof whatsoever aside from circle-jerking conjecture, if anyone was shooting forced "halv court heave" 3 pointers, it was Erving. But he shot 27% on 3s that season, compared to Foolish jordon's 13%. Not that Erving was a good 3 point shooter by any means by the way, it just shows how horrid of a 3 point shooter Foolish jordon was.

Once again, you have been by facts and data.


Where do you come up with this crap? Where did i say Jordan's usage rate was twice as high as ERvings? :facepalm

Your "proof" was one shot Jordan took :oldlol: Not only is that irrelevant since i never claim Jordan didn't take normal 3s, i posted a video of several half court shots that Jordan took and made. How many half court shots do you think Jordan had to attempt in order to make those in the vid?

You do realize that Erving played the 3, right? He wasn't bring the ball upcourt much so he wasn't going to be taking many half court shots. I am sure a lot of his 3s were near the end of the clock but were probably in the half court set.

Now it is time for you to explain why Jordan's percentage was so much better when his volume went up. If he was such a bad shooter why didn't he shoot poorly in the seasons he took a lot of 3s? I won't hold my breath.

[TheGoatest]

Where do you come up with this crap? Where did i say Jordan's usage rate was twice as high as ERvings? :facepalm

Your "proof" was one shot Jordan took :oldlol: Not only is that irrelevant since i never claim Jordan didn't take normal 3s, i posted a video of several half court shots that Jordan took and made. How many half court shots do you think Jordan had to attempt in order to make those in the vid?

You do realize that Erving played the 3, right? He wasn't bring the ball upcourt much so he wasn't going to be taking many half court shots. I am sure a lot of his 3s were near the end of the clock but were probably in the half court set.

Now it is time for you to explain why Jordan's percentage was so much better when his volume went up. If he was such a bad shooter why didn't he shoot poorly in the seasons he took a lot of 3s? I won't hold my breath.

You said that there was a correlation between high usage rate and difficulty of 3 point shots. I provided you with the exact usage rate of another perimeter superstar. You do know that Julius Erving played on the perimeter, and that he wasn't a center, right?

I would gladly provide you proof with all of Foolish jordon's 3 point misses, but unfortunately the Youtube propaganda video compilations only have his made shots.

Where did I say that Foolish jordon never ever took a single solitary half court shot at the end of the buzzer?
Where did I say that he was equally horrible at 3 point shooting throughout his entire career?

If he wasn't a poor 3 point shooter, why didn't he have more seasons where he shot whatever amount attempts you think would've helped his percentage in the 5 seasons where he shot below 20%?
You think that a couple of regular 3pt line seasons where he was decent (not great by any means) somehow magically erase all of the 9 seasons where he was bad (and most of those 9 he was flat out horrible), magically erase his BY FAR worst 3pt% on the 1992 Olympic team, and magically erase his record worst of all time 3 point shootout performance from 1990? You'd like that, wouldn't you? :oldlol:

[tontoz]

You said that there was a correlation between high usage rate and difficulty of 3 point shots. I provided you with the exact usage rate of another perimeter superstar. You do know that Julius Erving played on the perimeter, and that he wasn't a center, right?

I would gladly provide you proof with all of Foolish jordon's 3 point misses, but unfortunately the Youtube propaganda video compilations only have his made shots.

Where did I say that Foolish jordon never ever took a single solitary half court shot at the end of the buzzer?
Where did I say that he was equally horrible at 3 point shooting throughout his entire career?

If he wasn't a poor 3 point shooter, why didn't he have more seasons where he shot whatever amount attempts you think would've helped his percentage in the 5 seasons where he shot below 20%?
You think that a couple of regular 3pt line seasons where he was decent (not great by any means) somehow magically erase all of the 9 seasons where he was bad (and most of those 9 he was flat out horrible), magically erase his BY FAR worst 3pt% on the 1992 Olympic team, and magically erase his record worst of all time 3 point shootout performance from 1990? You'd like that, wouldn't you? :oldlol:

Is there something about being a bron stan that makes them unable to read, or are illiterate people natually inclined to be a Bron stan?

What the F is this?


Where did I say that Foolish jordon never ever took a single solitary half court shot at the end of the buzzer?

I never claimed you did say that you effin tard. :facepalm

It wasn't a couple of seasons where he shot decently. It was 4 seasons shooting over 35%. He NEVER had a season shooting poorly when he attempted at least two per game.

If he was such a bad shooter than why are his high volume seasons all over 35%? For the record Lebrons career average is 34.5%.

The league as a whole shot far fewer 3s then. It was a different era. He was able to score effectively going to the basket and from midrange so he wasn't as committed to 3s as players today.

[TheGoatest]

Is there something about being a bron stan that makes them unable to read, or are illiterate people natually inclined to be a Bron stan?

What the F is this?



I never claimed you did say that you effin tard. :facepalm

Where did I say that you said that Foolish jordon's user rate was twice as high as Erving's?
Your strategy seems to be to casually mention that Foolish jordon shot low percentages because he shot forced 3s at the buzzer, then when you're flat out disproven you say "Where did I say that he didn't also shoot ordinary 3s" in defense, only proving that you're a moron who is only going by conjecture.


It wasn't a couple of seasons where he shot decently. It was 4 seasons shooting over 35%. He NEVER had a season shooting poorly when he attempted at least two per game.

If he was such a bad shooter than why are his high volume seasons all over 35%? For the record Lebrons career average is 34.5%.

The league as a whole shot far fewer 3s then. It was a different era. He was able to score effectively going to the basket and from midrange so he wasn't as committed to 3s as players today.

Why doesn't LeBron have any seasons where he averaged 0.5-1.0 3 point attempts on sub-20% shooting? LeBron's 3 point attempts/percentages were NEVER as bad compared to the best 3pt shooters of his era as the combination of Foolish jordon's 3 point attempts and percentages were when compared to a Larry Bird or a Dale Ellis, who literally shot over twice as high of a 3pt%.

And LMAO @ casually regarding the pee-wee distance seasons as legit 3 point percentage seasons. Again, you'd like that wouldn't you? :oldlol:
We all know that Foolish jordon got SHOOK when the legit distanced 3 point line kicked in. In 1997-98 he shot 46% from just inside the 3 point line distance/long 2s, whereas he shot only 24% behind the 3 point line.
So no, those 1994-1997 seasons where the 3pt line ideally fit his range do not fit in a discussion where he is compared to players from the post-2000 era who never shot behind a shortened 3 point line. It is no coincidence that prior to 2007 4 of the top 5 highest 3 percentage seasons ever (including the top 2) came from those exact pee-wee line seasons between 1994 and 1997.

[tontoz]

Jordan was so "shook" that he shot 37.6% from the regular line on 3 attempts per game, and 35.2% on 2.9 attempts per game before the line was shortened.

Pee Wee distance? Do you really think 21 inches magically caused Jordan's 3 pt percentage to go up over 10%? Or did the shortened line just encourage him to shoot more 3s? It is obviously the latter.


Why doesn't LeBron have any seasons where he averaged 0.5-1.0 3 point attempts on sub-20% shooting?



Because it is a different era. Lebron's fewest 3 pt attempts in his career was 2.7 as a rookie shooting 29%. In the old days he would have been discouraged from shooting 3s at all. Now everyone who can shoots 3s does shoot them.

Horford and Brook Lopez didn't shoot 3s at all their first few years in the league. Then out of nowhere they started shooting a lot of them. It is just a different era where guys are strongly encouraged to shoot 3s.


Your strategy seems to be to casually mention that Foolish jordon shot low percentages because he shot forced 3s at the buzzer, then when you're flat out disproven you say "Where did I say that he didn't also shoot ordinary 3s" in defense, only proving that you're a moron who is only going by conjecture.



Disproven? I literally posted a vid of Jordan shooting half court shots :roll:

I said he shot a lot of those shots which hurt his percentages. I never said every 3 pt attempt he shot was a buzzer beating heave. That is just your lack of reading comprehension.

[TheGoatest]

Jordan was so "shook" that he shot 37.6% from the regular line on 3 attempts per game, and 35.2% on 2.9 attempts per game before the line was shortened.

Pee Wee distance? Do you really think 21 inches magically caused Jordan's 3 pt percentage to go up over 10%? Or did the shortened line just encourage him to shoot more 3s? It is obviously the latter.

It encouraged him to shoot more 3s because it favored his ideal distance and that line might as well have been customized to be his ideal 3 point line distance.
In 1997-98 (the only season where we have detailed shooting data on a non-shortened 3pt line season from Foolish jordon in a Bulls uniform) his percentage from just inside 3 point line to actual 3 point line fell by over 22%, so you better believe that the shortness of the line from the pee-wee seasons increased his 3pt percentage by 10%.

Do you really think that it is a coincidence that 4 out of the 5 highest 3pt% seasons prior to 2007 all came from the exact three seasons where the line was shortened?


Because it is a different era. Lebron's fewest 3 pt attempts in his career was 2.7 as a rookie shooting 29%. In the old days he would have been discouraged from shooting 3s at all. Now everyone who can shoots 3s does shoot them.

Horford and Brook Lopez didn't shoot 3s at all their first few years in the league. Then out of nowhere they started shooting a lot of them. It is just a different era where guys are strongly encouraged to shoot 3s.

I wasn't talking about the overall difference in eras. I was talking about the difference between LeBron and the best 3 point shooters of his own era in contrast to the difference between Foolish jordon and the best 3 point shooters of his own era. And when you make that comparison, Foolish jordon ends up looking atrocious compared to LeBron.

[tontoz]

Do you really think that it is a coincidence that 4 out of the 5 highest 3pt% seasons prior to 2007 all came from the exact three seasons where the line was shortened?

Not surprising that you can't even get this right. The first year of the shortened line was the year Jordan returned from baseball. He only played 17 games. :facepalm

So he had 2 seasons shooting 35%+ on the normal line and two seasons from the shortened line. He has no seasons shooting poorly with high volume. None. Why is that? Why didn't he have one season shooting poorly in the seasons he shot a lot of them?


In 1997-98 (the only season where we have detailed shooting data on a non-shortened 3pt line season from Foolish jordon in a Bulls uniform) his percentage from just inside 3 point line to actual 3 point line fell by over 22%, so you better believe that the shortness of the line from the pee-wee seasons increased his 3pt percentage by 10%.

Again this shows your lack of basic reasoning skills. The distance isn't going to make that much difference in anyone's shooting.

What changed after the line went back to normal was the quality of the attempts. He wasn't shooting as many normal 3s within the flow of the offense, therefore his forced attempts because a higher percentage of his total attempts. Duh. Do i have to post the vid of Jordan shooting half court shots again? Did you forget about it already?

We can look at any players attempts over their career and see distance doesn't have a huge effect on percentages, given ample sample size.

For his career Lebron shot 36.9% from 10-16 feet, 38.6% from 16-3pt, 34.5% from 3. That is typical.

[dankok8]

Jordan was nothing special as a 3pt shooter but he was pretty good when he shot a decent volume.

The whole short 3pt line narrative is so stupid. Which player can be a pretty good shooter from 22 feet but then can't shoot at all from 23.75 feet? That makes literally no sense. And mind you the difference in distance is 1.75 feet only when shooting straight on. From the wings the difference gets smaller and from the corners the distance has always been 22 feet. League wide 3pt % was probably higher with the shorter line because players took more shots so had more rhythm. MJ himself took 3.6 attempts in 1996-97 and then just 1.5 attempts in 1997-98.

And with Jordan there is a definite trend between higher attempts and better shooting % from 3pt land. His four higher seasons in terms of 3PA/game were 1996/97 - 3.6, 1995/96 - 3.2, 1989/90 - 3.0 and 1992/93 - 2.9, in the order. He shot 37.4%, 42.7%, 37.6%, and 35.2% respectively for an average of 38.3%. In all other seasons he shot at less than half of the volume of these seasons and you can safely say he didn't even use the shot. As tontoz said he took a significant number in late clock situations /bail out shots which kept his % low.

[HoopsNY]

Let's look at this critically because it's getting tiring to just use assumptions and also to just follow hate.

Jordan shot better when he took 3 or more attempts as per the data already provided. Let's look at it by season, or by clusters based on his early years, followed by the later years from '89-'93 where he shot better.

'85-'88 w/3 or more attempts

'85: 4-18
'86: 4-6
'87: 5-22
'88: 1-3

Total: 14-49 (29%)

'89-'93 w/3 or more attempts

'89: 16-49
'90: 75-187
'91: 11-30
'92: 13-39
'93: 63-155

Total: 178-460 (39%)

From '85-'93, MJ shot 35% from three point range in the playoffs, but only on 2.2 attempts. From '89-'93, he shot 36% on 2.5 attempts. But when attempting 3 or more 3PA, he shot 52-137 (38%) from '85-'93.

Make of this what you will, but the logic is quite simple. Volume generally leads to improvement. In an era where players are shooting 3-8 threes a game, then it's reasonable to think MJ would be shooting 36-37%, especially given how he improved significantly with volume.

If there is a shortened line from 1995-97, then MJ doesn't shoot 41% during those years, but maybe 35-37%. That would mean between '89-'97, he would have been shooting around 36%. It's unreasonable to think he would fall off a cliff just off of his final season in '98.

[Hey Yo]

Jordan was nothing special as a 3pt shooter but he was pretty good when he shot a decent volume.

The whole short 3pt line narrative is so stupid. Which player can be a pretty good shooter from 22 feet but then can't shoot at all from 23.75 feet? That makes literally no sense. And mind you the difference in distance is 1.75 feet only when shooting straight on. From the wings the difference gets smaller and from the corners the distance has always been 22 feet. League wide 3pt % was probably higher with the shorter line because players took more shots so had more rhythm. MJ himself took 3.6 attempts in 1996-97 and then just 1.5 attempts in 1997-98.

And with Jordan there is a definite trend between higher attempts and better shooting % from 3pt land. His four higher seasons in terms of 3PA/game were 1996/97 - 3.6, 1995/96 - 3.2, 1989/90 - 3.0 and 1992/93 - 2.9, in the order. He shot 37.4%, 42.7%, 37.6%, and 35.2% respectively for an average of 38.3%. In all other seasons he shot at less than half of the volume of these seasons and you can safely say he didn't even use the shot. As tontoz said he took a significant number in late clock situations /bail out shots which kept his % low.

Stern shortened the line to try to generate scoring, something that was lacking at the time. Even though 3pa and 3pt made were up, scoring was still going down until its worst in the 98-99 season.

[TheGoatest]

Not surprising that you can't even get this right. The first year of the shortened line was the year Jordan returned from baseball. He only played 17 games. :facepalm

So he had 2 seasons shooting 35%+ on the normal line and two seasons from the shortened line. He has no seasons shooting poorly with high volume. None. Why is that? Why didn't he have one season shooting poorly in the seasons he shot a lot of them?

Why didn't he have more seasons where he shot 35%? Why is that?

As for the pee-wee seasons, it is a fact that the average league 3pt percentage increased from .333 to .359 the season the pee-wee line was introduced, so we have indisputable evidence consisting of every 3 point attempt taken in the league that the shorter distance had a positive effect on the percentage.

It is also a fact that 4 out of the 5 highest percentage 3 pointer seasons of all time were the highest 3 point percentages ever, up until Kyle Korver's 2009-10 season:

1. Steve Kerr - .5235 (1994-95) - Pee-wee distance season
2. Tim Legler - .5224 (1995-96) - Pee-wee distance season
3. Jon Sundvold - .5217 (1988-89)
4. Steve Kerr - .5148 (1995-96) - Pee-wee distance season
5. Detlef Schrempf - .5138 (1994-95) - Pee-wee distance season

Therefore, any attempt to casually sneak in a percentage from the pee-wee seasons as a legit 3 point percentage should be disregarded. For any player, including Foolish jordon.


Again this shows your lack of basic reasoning skills. The distance isn't going to make that much difference in anyone's shooting.

What changed after the line went back to normal was the quality of the attempts. He wasn't shooting as many normal 3s within the flow of the offense, therefore his forced attempts because a higher percentage of his total attempts. Duh. Do i have to post the vid of Jordan shooting half court shots again? Did you forget about it already?

We can look at any players attempts over their career and see distance doesn't have a huge effect on percentages, given ample sample size.

For his career Lebron shot 36.9% from 10-16 feet, 38.6% from 16-3pt, 34.5% from 3. That is typical.

The distance happened to make a huge difference in Foolish jordon's shooting. It is normal for a player to have their percentages drop from the long 2 to the 3 point line, but of the four seasons we have detailed data about Foolish jordon, we can see that his 3 point percentage drops disproportionately in comparison to other players - from .453 to .315. The latter number is even boosted because it includes the 1996-97 pee-wee season. Find me one player who has a drop that is as massive as .453 to .315.

So we have a ton of data from both Foolish jordon's early and late seasons that show he couldn't shot 3s, sprinkled with a record-worst 1990 3 point contest and the 1992 Olympics, where he was by far the worst 3 point shooter on the team.

Yet you want the couple of decent 3 point shooting seasons he had to give him some kind of immunity from criticism of all the horrid 3 point seasons he had? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. If that's how basketball discussion worked, then you would be able to claim that Tony Delk could've scored 53 points any time he was allowed to take 27 shots in a game like Foolish jordon could be able to shoot 35% any time he shot a "high volume" of 3s. I mean, Delk proved that he could do it, so that should give him immunity from being criticized for not doing it more, like you want Foolish jordon to be given immunity from his 16% 3pt seasons.

[tontoz]

it is a fact that the average league 3pt percentage increased from .333 to .359 the season the pee-wee line was introduced

Yeah it made a whopping 2.6% difference :roll:

So if we subract that 2.6% from Jordan's percentages in those two years he is still above Lebron's career average.


So we have a ton of data from both Foolish jordon's early and late seasons that show he couldn't shot 3s, sprinkled with a record-worst 1990 3 point contest and the 1992 Olympics, where he was by far the worst 3 point shooter on the team.

No we don't. We have a lot of evidence that he wasn't shooting 3s much. When he finally did shoot them at a high volume he shot 37.6%, and his TS% actually went down from the previous year. In his mind i bet he was thinking why bother with it.

When his shot attempts dropped, the quality of those attempts also dropped, hence the fall in his shooting percentages.

Why don't you post a vid of other players shooting repeatedly from half court? Do i have to post the Jordan vid again or did you forget it already.

[Full Court]

So here's what the last few pages have told us.

tontoz is an intelligent poster who puts up well thought out arguments.

Foolish GoatTits is an idiot whose irrational hatred for Jordan and love for Bronie makes him incapable of arguing at even a third grade level.

[TheGoatest]

Yeah it made a whopping 2.6% difference :roll:

So if we subract that 2.6% from Jordan's percentages in those two years he is still above Lebron's career average.

I'm glad that you're willing to admit that subtracting Foolish jordon's 2.6% (the difference in league average) as some sort of indication of how "good" of a 3 point shooter he was in his better seasons.
Because Foolish jordon has 6 seasons where he shot between 10.9% and 16.5% below the league average 3 point percentages of those very same seasons:

1984-85 Foolish jordon: .173
1984-85 League average: .282

1985-86 Foolish jordon: .167
1985-86 League average: .282

1986-87 Foolish jordon: .182
1986-87 League average: .301

1987-88 Foolish jordon: .173
1987-88 League average: .316

1997-98 Foolish jordon: .238
1997-98 League average: .346

2001-02 Foolish jordon: .189
2001-02 League average: .354

11-16% is a whopping difference. So even taking into account the difference in eras and that players didn't shoot 3s as well, Foolish jordon was still an abhorrent 3 point shooter compared to the league average percentages of those very same eras. You won't find an example where LeBron shoots 3s this poorly compared to the league average.


No we don't. We have a lot of evidence that he wasn't shooting 3s much. When he finally did shoot them at a high volume he shot 37.6%, and his TS% actually went down from the previous year. In his mind i bet he was thinking why bother with it.

When his shot attempts dropped, the quality of those attempts also dropped, hence the fall in his shooting percentages.

Why don't you post a vid of other players shooting repeatedly from half court? Do i have to post the Jordan vid again or did you forget it already.

Again, we have plenty of evidence that Tony Delk was capable of scoring 53 points when he bothered to take 27 shots in a game, but I won't be a moron to imply that Tony Delk would've averaged 53 points per game if he just bothered to increase his volume of shots and shoot 27 shots per game. You won't magically erase the majority of crap seasons with 3 point shooting with a minority.

I can't post videos of other players, because other players from Foolish jordon's era don't have extremists who make videos with out of context highlights in order to make those players look good. Which is what you're doing.

[theman93]

Why does this debate even matter? Ja Morant is a below average 3 point shooter who shoots a similar 3 point % to Jordan and he is absolutely thriving. Giannis is a poor 3 point shooter and he is the the best player in the NBA. MJ would have no problem in any era, especially not with this one given how easy it is to score.

[TheMan]

Why does this debate even matter? Ja Morant is a below average 3 point shooter who shoots a similar 3 point % to Jordan and he is absolutely thriving. Giannis is a poor 3 point shooter and he is the the best player in the NBA. MJ would have no problem in any era, especially not with this one given how easy it is to score.

:applause:

That's what I've been thinking, like who cares! Whether or not MJ shot a good three point shot, he made enough of them, especially when it mattered to where it didn't affect negatively his overall game. He still was the GOAT offensive player in NBA history and the three wasn't back then what it is today. Ray Allen, one of the best 3 point shooters ever said that if MJ wanted to be a three point shooter and worked on that like he worked on his other offensive weapons, he could've been a great 3pt shooter. I'll take his word over lonely mentally ill GoatTits...

This thread is much to do about nothing :facepalm

[Smook A.]

Why does this debate even matter? Ja Morant is a below average 3 point shooter who shoots a similar 3 point % to Jordan and he is absolutely thriving. Giannis is a poor 3 point shooter and he is the the best player in the NBA. MJ would have no problem in any era, especially not with this one given how easy it is to score.

Exactly

Guys in here are just wasting their time having a really pointless debate :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

Why does this debate even matter? Ja Morant is a below average 3 point shooter who shoots a similar 3 point % to Jordan and he is absolutely thriving. Giannis is a poor 3 point shooter and he is the the best player in the NBA. MJ would have no problem in any era, especially not with this one given how easy it is to score.

It's the subject of the thread.
It matters when people say that he "had no weakness" in his game.
Shaq was once hands down the best player in the league, but he definitely had weaknesses in his game.

[theman93]

It's the subject of the thread.
It matters when people say that he "had no weakness" in his game.
Shaq was once hands down the best player in the league, but he definitely had weaknesses in his game.
The subject of the thread is Lebron, not Jordan. Why are you derailing it?

[TheGoatest]

The subject of the thread is Lebron, not Jordan. Why are you derailing it?

The subject of the thread is LeBron's current, early in the season 3 point percentage, which upon further analysis is still considerably higher than 16%.

[LAL]

The subject of the thread is LeBron's current, early in the season 3 point percentage, which upon further analysis is still considerably higher than 16%.

Not a good response bro :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

Not a good response bro :oldlol:

It's not a good response. It's a great response to a well-known Foolish jordon extremist who attempts to make fun of one 26% season out of 20 seasons, when his hero had 5 seasons below 20% in 15 seasons. :roll:

[Spurs m8]

It's not a good response. It's a great response to a well-known Foolish jordon extremist who attempts to make fun of one 26% season out of 20 seasons, when his hero had 5 seasons below 20% in 15 seasons. :roll:

And you got schooled about this yet your pea brain still refuses to accept it.

We aren't as stupid as you, you are a laughing stock...both with your basketball (lack of) knowledge and your sad life in general

[TheGoatest]

And you got schooled about this yet your pea brain still refuses to accept it.

We aren't as stupid as you, you are a laughing stock...both with your basketball (lack of) knowledge and your sad life in general

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:roll:

[tontoz]

Tony Delk? :roll:

Scoring 53 in one game is comparable shooting over 35% from 3 over 4 seasons?

:facepalm

This guy must be watching Dumb and Dumber on an endless loop.

[Phoenix]

Luka needs to tone it down to 5 attempts a game. 9 attempts for his level of accuracy is wayyyyy too much.

[theman93]

Not a good response bro :oldlol:

He suffers from Jordan Derangement Syndrome (JDS).

[TheGoatest]

Tony Delk? :roll:

Scoring 53 in one game is comparable shooting over 35% from 3 over 4 seasons?

:facepalm

This guy must be watching Dumb and Dumber on an endless loop.

Yes, the Tony Delk example is intentionally ridiculous. Like you saying that 2 decent 3pt seasons (I still refuse to count the pee-wee seasons) somehow overwrite 9 other seasons that range from bad to atrocious.

[tontoz]

Yes, the Tony Delk example is intentionally ridiculous. Like you saying that 2 decent 3pt seasons (I still refuse to count the pee-wee seasons) somehow overwrite 9 other seasons that range from bad to atrocious.

It was your research that showed players shot only 2.6% better from the "peewee" line. Do you not believe your own post?

:roll:

[dankok8]

It was your research that showed players shot only 2.6% better from the "peewee" line. Do you not believe your own post?

:roll:

Reasoning with him isn't possible because he has no reasoning ability. Still can't believe he compared Tony Delk's one career game of 53 points to Jordan's excellent 3pt shooting around 38% from a sample of roughly 400 games (four regular seasons + a bunch of postseasons) where he shot a higher volume. Or alternatively we can just take his entire career from 1989-90 onwards which is 10 consecutive seasons until the end of his career where he was at a very respectable 34.8% shooting, regular season and playoffs combined. That includes his Wizards years by the way which drag his % down.

[SATAN]

He suffers from Jordan Derangement Syndrome (JDS).

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MwDfXW0sGpM/Ucs4wSTLJdI/AAAAAAAANgY/pSjyk6vUnlA/s1600/cringe.gif

[Full Court]

Bronies STILL refuse to even address the fact that Jordan has a better career 3-point % in finals than Bronie does.

:roll:


Truth sure hurts.

:lebroncry:

[TheGoatest]

It was your research that showed players shot only 2.6% better from the "peewee" line. Do you not believe your own post?

:roll:

Sorry, we're still discussing whether Foolish jordon was a good 3 point shooter and not whether he was a good long 2 point shooter, which the pee-wee line was. :oldlol:

[tontoz]

Sorry, we're still discussing whether Foolish jordon was a good 3 point shooter and not whether he was a good long 2 point shooter, which the pee-wee line was. :oldlol:

Right, because that 21 inches at the top of the key, much less on the side, makes so much difference.








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[TheGoatest]

Right, because that 21 inches at the top of the key, much less on the side, makes so much difference.








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It made plenty of difference for Foolish jordon's percentages compared to his other seasons, for a bunch of other star player's percentages as well as the all-time highest percentages.

[tontoz]

Yeah that 2.6% difference was epic.








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[TheGoatest]

Or in the case of Foolish jordon a 22% drop from 3s to long 2s (previous pee-wee line) in 1997-98.

[tontoz]

Hard to shoot a good percentage on these.


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[TheGoatest]

Not as hard as it is for you to prove that those are the only kind or even most of the 3 pointers he shot in his sub-20% seasons.

[tontoz]

Not as hard as it is for you to prove that those are the only kind or even most of the 3 pointers he shot in his sub-20% seasons.


I never said they were.......





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[TheGoatest]

I never said they were.......





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Nor did I claim that his career total of half court shots is zero. So it's basically my word against yours with regards to how many of his 3s were forced.
Meanwhile, the objective percentages say he has 5 seasons where he shot below 20%.

[tontoz]

Nor did I claim that his career total of half court shots is zero. So it's basically my word against yours with regards to how many of his 3s were forced.
Meanwhile, the objective percentages say he has 5 seasons where he shot below 20%.

And his career percentage of 32.7% says he wasn't that bad, expecially considering the the fact that he was actually taking half court shots, unlike LeCrab.

[TheGoatest]

And his career percentage of 32.7% says he wasn't that bad, expecially considering the the fact that he was actually taking half court shots, unlike LeCrab.

His career percentage is boosted by the pee-wee seasons, and it is still lower than LeBron's.

And LeBron probably has more career 3 pointers made from this distance than Foolish jordon does any 3 pointers in all of his non-pee wee line seasons combined:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-S08e1gYKM

[tontoz]

Jordan played 15 seasons. The shortened line was only 2 seasons.

In other news.....

Career playoff 3 pt shooting


Lebron .337

Jordan .332










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[TheGoatest]

Jordan played 15 seasons. The shortened line was only 2 seasons.

In other news.....

Career playoff 3 pt shooting


Lebron .337

Jordan .332










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And yet Foolish jordon took a third of his career 3 point attempts (589 of 1778) in the pee-wee seasons to boost his overall percentage.

Yes, we all know that Foolish jordon's deepest playoff runs coincided with his best 3pt shooting seasons.

In other news:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM

[tontoz]

And yet Foolish jordon took a third of his career 3 point attempts (589 of 1778) in the pee-wee seasons to boost his overall percentage.

In other news:

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Wait i thought volume doesn't matter. I guess it only matters when you want it to, right? Why are you harping on all those low volume seasons?

[tontoz]

Jordan's 3 pt shooting in the playoffs was actually 35.2% before the line was shortened.

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[TheGoatest]

Wait i thought volume doesn't matter. I guess it only matters when you want it to, right? Why are you harping on all those low volume seasons?

Volume? I'm talking about distance. The shortened (usual long 2) distance had him shoot more 3s because he wasn't as comfortable behind an ordinary distanced 3 point line.

Someone who is arguing that 2 decent seasons somehow make 9 bad ones irrelevant sarcastically talking about things mattering when they want it to. That's priceless. :oldlol:

[tontoz]

Volume? I'm talking about distance. The shortened (usual long 2) distance had him shoot more 3s because he wasn't as comfortable behind an ordinary distanced 3 point line.

Someone who is arguing that 2 decent seasons somehow make 9 bad ones irrelevant sarcastically talking about things mattering when they want it to. That's priceless. :oldlol:


Jordan shot 35.2% from 3 in the playoffs before the line was shortened. How do you explain that?


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[SATAN]

The weirdest thing about this thread is no one ever cared apart from LeHater OP. Dude literally sits around thinking about LeBron James more than his fans do. Looking for any little way to bring the fatherless guy from the ghetto who became a self made billionaire, changed the game for athletes and is at the very least widely regarded as top #2 ...down a peg. :oldlol:

Now here he is on page 10 still getting bitch slapped around by TheGoatest once again.

Sucker shit. Good job, OP. :facepalm

[TheGoatest]

Jordan's 3 pt shooting in the playoffs was actually 35.2% before the line was shortened.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/IMG_20221102_092347.jpg

Foolish jordon had a sub-20% 3pt shooting playoffs despite averaging 3.5 attempts of your precious volume.

[tontoz]

Foolish jordon had a sub-20% 3pt shooting playoffs despite averaging 3.5 attempts of your precious volume.

So you pick out one season, but ignore the average of 9 seasons?

Funny that you picked the shortened line season to highlight. The irony is surely lost on you.






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[TheGoatest]

So you pick out one season, but ignore the average of 9 seasons?

Funny that you picked the shortened line season to highlight. The irony is surely lost on you.






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Unlike his regular seasons, his playoffs weren't of the exact same length. Especially those prior to the arrival of The Great Scott Pippen, but that's another discussion.

And yes, indeed it is funny that even from his preferred distance, he had a sub-20% percentage. :roll:

[tontoz]

Lebron stan logic. The 96/97 regular season 3 pointers don't matter, but the 96/97 playoff 3s do matter.

:facepalm

The average of 111 playoff games with the normal line doesn't matter, but 19 playoff games from the shortened line do matter.

:facepalm





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[PP34Deuce]

Lebron usually goes on jumpshooting streaks. People forget he's streaky. Not a bad shooter, just a streaky one.

Every team he's been on with a winning streak of 7-10 games is usually when that jumper is in a groove. He's due for a 5-6 game stretch of great shooting followed by 3 decent shooting game and one bad one.

[TheGoatest]

Lebron stan logic. The 96/97 regular season 3 pointers don't matter, but the 96/97 playoff 3s do matter.

:facepalm

The average of 111 playoff games with the normal line doesn't matter, but 19 playoff games from the shortened line do matter.

:facepalm





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Um... No, the 96-97 regular season doesn't matter because it was the pee-wee line. So the fact that he shot below 20% behind a line that was easier to shoot behind to begin with makes it even worse.

You cherry pick certain regular seasons, which is way worse because regular seasons are equal length, whereas his playoff appearances were not. In the end he had two good regular seasons shooting 3s and three good playoffs (on a non-pee wee line, that is). In a career that spanned 15 seasons.

[tontoz]

Um... No, the 96-97 regular season doesn't matter because it was the pee-wee line. So the fact that he shot below 20% behind a line that was easier to shoot behind to begin with makes it even worse.

You cherry pick certain regular seasons, which is way worse because regular seasons are equal length, whereas his playoff appearances were not. In the end he had two good regular seasons shooting 3s and three good playoffs (on a non-pee wee line, that is). In a career that spanned 15 seasons.


:roll:

So the "pee wee" line only matter when you want it to matter. Cool story bro.

Jordan played 111 playoff games before the line was shortened, shooting over 35% but that doesn't matter. All that matters are the 19 games from the "pee wee" line.

I think you need to back away from Lebron's anus. The excessive methane exposure has obviously impaired your cognitive functions.

Career playoff 3 pt shooting


Lebron .337

Jordan .332

[TheGoatest]

:roll:

So the "pee wee" line only matter when you want it to matter. Cool story bro.

Jordan played 111 playoff games before the line was shortened, shooting over 35% but that doesn't matter. All that matters are the 19 games from the "pee wee" line.

I think you need to back away from Lebron's anus. The excessive methane exposure has obviously impaired your cognitive functions.

Career playoff 3 pt shooting


Lebron .337

Jordan .332


No, the fact that the pee-wee line was shorter always mattered. But the fact that he shot below 20% behind the easier pee-wee line makes it worse. Him shooting a higher % behind a line that is easier to shoot from isn't as impressive and misleading. But him shooting below 20% behind a line that is easier to shoot from is extra crappy. Making 100% of wide open layups isn't that impressive. But if you only make 50% of open layups, then it becomes notable for being unimpressive. What's so hard to understand about that? :oldlol:

Career playoff 3pt attempts
LeBron: 4.8
Foolish jordon: 2.5

Career playoff 3pt made
LeBron: 432
Foolish jordon: 148

All this without a shortened 3 point line.

[tontoz]

No, the fact that the pee-wee line was shorter always mattered. But the fact that he shot below 20% behind the easier pee-wee line makes it worse. Him shooting a higher % behind a line that is easier to shoot from isn't as impressive and misleading. But him shooting below 20% behind a line that is easier to shoot from is extra crappy. Making 100% of wide open layups isn't that impressive. But if you only make 50% of open layups, then it becomes notable for being unimpressive. What's so hard to understand about that? :oldlol:

Career playoff 3pt attempts
LeBron: 4.8
Foolish jordon: 2.5

Career playoff 3pt made
LeBron: 432
Foolish jordon: 148

All this without a shortened 3 point line.


Why are you talking about volume? You have proven time and again that volume doesn't matter to you by obsessing on Jordan's low volume seasons.

:facepalm

You said yourself that players shot only 2.6% better with the shortened line, but continue to act like it is a big deal (when Jordan shoots well. It doesn't matter when he shoots poorly).

Maybe i should step aside and let you argue with yourself. :roll:

[Spurs m8]

Poor goat tits getting ethered....again

[TheGoatest]

Why are you talking about volume? You have proven time and again that volume doesn't matter to you by obsessing on Jordan's low volume seasons.

:facepalm

You said yourself that players shot only 2.6% better with the shortened line, but continue to act like it is a big deal (when Jordan shoots well. It doesn't matter when he shoots poorly).

Maybe i should step aside and let you argue with yourself. :roll:

I'm pointing out Foolish jordon's low volume seasons as part of the evidence that he flat out couldn't shoot 3s for many seasons of his career. If I wanted to prove that Shaq couldn't shoot 3s, I would point out his low volume 3 point attempt seasons as well, you nitwit. :oldlol:

In 1997-98 Foolish jordon's percentage dropped 22% from the long 2 distance to the non-pee-wee 3 point line distance, so we have proof that the pee-wee line mattered way more than 2.6% for Foolish jordon.

[tontoz]

I'm pointing out Foolish jordon's low volume seasons as part of the evidence that he flat out couldn't shoot 3s for many seasons of his career. If I wanted to prove that Shaq couldn't shoot 3s, I would point out his low volume 3 point attempt seasons as well, you nitwit. :oldlol:

In 1997-98 Foolish jordon's percentage dropped 22% from the long 2 distance to the non-pee-wee 3 point line distance, so we have proof that the pee-wee line mattered way more than 2.6% for Foolish jordon.

The Shaq comparison doesn't work because he never had high volume seasons.

Why are you bringing up Lebron's volume at all? How is that even relevant?



In 1997-98 Foolish jordon's percentage dropped 22% from the long 2 distance to the non-pee-wee 3 point line distance, so we have proof that the pee-wee line mattered way more than 2.6% for Foolish jordon.



If it mattered so much then why did his playoff 3 pt percentage go down with the shortened line?:confusedshrug:

[TheGoatest]

The Shaq comparison doesn't work because he never had high volume seasons.

Why are you bringing up Lebron's volume at all? How is that even relevant?

Yes, not being able to shoot 3s will tend to seasons with low volume. Which is why Shaq did it his entire career, whereas Foolish jordon only did it for the vast majority of his career.

Bringing up LeBron making 2-3 times as many 3s per game on a higher percentage without any pee-wee seasons isn't relevant? Maybe not to a Foolish jordon extremist. :oldlol:


If it mattered so much then why did his playoff 3 pt percentage go down with the shortened line?:confusedshrug:

Because he flat out sucked at even the easier, shorter 3s those playoffs. You're using his sub-20% shooting playoffs behind the shortened line as some sort of argument in favor of his 3 point shooting? :roll:

[tontoz]

So one season in the playoffs with a short line matters, but his entire playoff career doesn't?

Career playoff 3 pt shooting


Lebron .337

Jordan .332

[Full Court]

So one season in the playoffs with a short line matters, but his entire playoff career doesn't?

Career playoff 3 pt shooting


Lebron .337

Jordan .332

Check out career finals 3 point shooting.

Jordan's is HIGHER than Lebron's.

:lebronamazed:

The Bronies absolutely refuse to even address this. :roll:

[HoopsNY]

Let's look at this critically because it's getting tiring to just use assumptions and also to just follow hate.

Jordan shot better when he took 3 or more attempts as per the data already provided. Let's look at it by season, or by clusters based on his early years, followed by the later years from '89-'93 where he shot better.

'85-'88 w/3 or more attempts

'85: 4-18
'86: 4-6
'87: 5-22
'88: 1-3

Total: 14-49 (29%)

'89-'93 w/3 or more attempts

'89: 16-49
'90: 75-187
'91: 11-30
'92: 13-39
'93: 63-155

Total: 178-460 (39%)

From '85-'93, MJ shot 35% from three point range in the playoffs, but only on 2.2 attempts. From '89-'93, he shot 36% on 2.5 attempts. But when attempting 3 or more 3PA, he shot 52-137 (38%) from '85-'93.

Make of this what you will, but the logic is quite simple. Volume generally leads to improvement. In an era where players are shooting 3-8 threes a game, then it's reasonable to think MJ would be shooting 36-37%, especially given how he improved significantly with volume.

If there is a shortened line from 1995-97, then MJ doesn't shoot 41% during those years, but maybe 35-37%. That would mean between '89-'97, he would have been shooting around 36%. It's unreasonable to think he would fall off a cliff just off of his final season in '98.

^^^

[TheMan]

GoatTits getting body bagged over and over and over...

:biggums:

[Full Court]

GoatTits getting body bagged over and over and over...

:biggums:

Foolish GoatTits never learned that you shouldn't go into a battle of wits unarmed. :lol

[TheGoatest]

So one season in the playoffs with a short line matters, but his entire playoff career doesn't?

Career playoff 3 pt shooting


Lebron .337

Jordan .332

Patrick Ewing has a career playoff of .348, but it's still laughable to compare him to LeBron because of his way fewer attempts and makes. :roll:

[Shooter]

No, the fact that the pee-wee line was shorter always mattered. But the fact that he shot below 20% behind the easier pee-wee line makes it worse. Him shooting a higher % behind a line that is easier to shoot from isn't as impressive and misleading. But him shooting below 20% behind a line that is easier to shoot from is extra crappy. Making 100% of wide open layups isn't that impressive. But if you only make 50% of open layups, then it becomes notable for being unimpressive. What's so hard to understand about that? :oldlol:

Career playoff 3pt attempts
LeBron: 4.8
Foolish jordon: 2.5

Career playoff 3pt made
LeBron: 432
Foolish jordon: 148

All this without a shortened 3 point line.

Bloodbath

[tontoz]

Patrick Ewing has a career playoff of .348, but it's still laughable to compare him to LeBron because of his way fewer attempts and makes. :roll:


So let me get this straight. Low volume of attempts makes the percentage less meaningful? Is that what you are trying to say? By the same reasoning i can say Jordan's poor percentages on low volume seasons also isn't meaningful, especially since he was taking a lot of half court shots.

BTW Lebron was 0-7 from 3 last night. :oldlol:


Let's not forget that Jordan was a better shooter at the higher volume shots. Jordan was a far better shooter from midrange and shot 10% better from the foul line.

For his career Lebron shot only 73.4% from the foul line. :roll:

[TheGoatest]

So let me get this straight. Low volume of attempts makes the percentage less meaningful? Is that what you are trying to say? By the same reasoning i can say Jordan's poor percentages on low volume seasons also isn't meaningful, especially since he was taking a lot of half court shots.

BTW Lebron was 0-7 from 3 last night. :oldlol:


Let's not forget that Jordan was a better shooter at the higher volume shots. Jordan was a far better shooter from midrange and shot 10% better from the foul line.

For his career Lebron shot only 73.4% from the foul line. :roll:

Yes, and by your reasoning (the fewer attempts taken, the tougher it is to have a higher 3pt%), I can claim that all the random 1-1 and 2-2 3 point seasons from random scrubs throughout history are the greatest 3 point shooting seasons ever. :roll:

Nobody was arguing that LeBron is shooting 3s well so far this particular season. For someone who likes to write "Where did I say that?" in response a million times, you sure don't practice what you preach.
All that was pointed out is that his by far worst 3pt% of his career is still higher than the 3pt percentages from 5 of Foolish jordon's seasons (6 seasons prior to last night's game).
Really puts things into perspective how you have to cherry pick seasons from extreme book ends of LeBron's career to find a poor shooting 3pt% seasons, whereas you have to do the exact opposite with Foolish jordon's seasons. :roll:

Now you're bringing up completely different subjects in desperation. :oldlol: You don't want me to mention LeBron's assist and rebounding numbers, do you? Or the mother of them all: Strength of competition.

[tontoz]

Yes, and by your reasoning (the fewer attempts taken, the tougher it is to have a higher 3pt%), I can claim that all the random 1-1 and 2-2 3 point seasons from random scrubs throughout history are the greatest 3 point shooting seasons ever. :roll:
..

Once again you prove you cant read. What i actually said:


So let me get this straight. Low volume of attempts makes the percentage less meaningful?

Your interpretation

"Uhhh....so that means low volume stats are MORE meaningful"



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[TheGoatest]

No, I'm going by EXACTLY what you have been saying the whole time: You're justifying all of Foolish jordon's low 3pt% seasons by saying it was more difficult to have a better 3pt% because he shot few attempts. So by that "logic", all the random-ass 1-1 seasons from scrubs nobody has heard of are the greatest 3pt% seasons in history... Right? :roll:

[tontoz]

No, I'm going by EXACTLY what you have been saying the whole time: You're justifying all of Foolish jordon's low 3pt% seasons by saying it was more difficult to have a better 3pt% because he shot few attempts. So by that "logic", all the random-ass 1-1 seasons from scrubs nobody has heard of are the greatest 3pt% seasons in history... Right? :roll:

:facepalm

Jesus you are dumb. I have been saying all along that Jordan's low volume seasons aren't as meaningful as his high volume seasons. One reason is obviously that Jordan was taking a lot of half court shots, which make it harder to shoot a high percentage on low attempts. I posted the vid twice ffs of Jordan taking half court shots. That obviously won't be the case for guys who only attempt 1 3 in a year.

[StrongLurk]

Definitely been LeBrick this season. This is one of the worst shooting stretches of his career.

I imagine he will trend back to the averages but if not, Lebron might officially be "washed". It's ironic that Westbrook is getting slaughtered (he does deserve it considering his contract), but Bron right now is basically putting up "prime" Westbrook statlines this year lol.

[TheGoatest]

:facepalm

Jesus you are dumb. I have been saying all along that Jordan's low volume seasons aren't as meaningful as his high volume seasons. One reason is obviously that Jordan was taking a lot of half court shots. I posted the vid twice ffs of Jordan taking half court shots. That obviously won't be the case for guys who only attempt 1 3 attempt in a year.

No, you have been TRYING to say in desperation that the only seasons where Foolish jordon had a decent 3pt% are the only seasons that "should" matter when discussing Foolish jordon's 3 point shooting, and that all the other crap 3pt% seasons he had should quietly get swept under the rug. Why? Because he flat out couldn't shoot 3s for a big chunk of his career, and thus didn't take many 3s (like Shaq). And those he did take resulted in sub-20% shooting.

[tontoz]

No, you have been TRYING to say in desperation that the only seasons where Foolish jordon had a decent 3pt% are the only seasons that "should" matter when discussing Foolish jordon's 3 point shooting, and that all the other crap 3pt% seasons he had should quietly get swept under the rug. Why? Because he flat out couldn't shoot 3s for a big chunk of his career, and thus didn't take many 3s (like Shaq). And those he did take resulted in sub-20% shooting.


Actually i think the career numbers matter. Jordan shot 32.7% in the regular season, 33.3% in the playoffs for his career. When you consider all the half court shots he took his numbers aren't that bad.

You are the one trying to cherry pick numbers, focusing on low volume seasons.

I'll tell you what's bad.....73% from the foul line. :roll:

[TheGoatest]

Actually i think the career numbers matter. Jordan shot 32.7% in the regular season, 33.3% in the playoffs for his career. When you consider all the half court shots he took his numbers aren't that bad.

You are the one trying to cherry pick numbers, focusing on low volume seasons.

I'll tell you what's bad.....73% from the foul line. :roll:

No, consistency throughout career is the much better indicator. To use Shaq as an example again, if he came back today and had a 35% season on 4 attempts per game, his career 3pt% would balloon up to 33-34%.
That still wouldn't change the fact that he was a complete non-factor in the 3 point department for the other 95% of his career.

No coach would ever intentionally foul a 73% foul shooter, or even 66% shooter (LeBron's career lowest ft%) and put him on the line. But they sure as hell would allow a 16% 3 point shooter to shoot 3s as much as they want. :roll:

[tontoz]

No, consistency throughout career is the much better indicator. To use Shaq as an example again, if he came back today and had a 35% season on 4 attempts per game, his career 3pt% would balloon up to 33-34%.
That still wouldn't change the fact that he was a complete non-factor in the 3 point department for the other 95% of his career.

No coach would ever intentionally foul a 73% foul shooter, or even 66% shooter (LeBron's career lowest ft%) and put him on the line. But they sure as hell would allow a 16% 3 point shooter to shoot 3s as much as they want. :roll:


No this is a math fail. The denominator is attempts, not seasons. When calculating 3 pt percetages the calculation involves makes and attempts, not makes and seasons. :oldlol:

Brook Lopez didn't shoot 3s hardly at all in his first 8 seasons. Nobody is going to weight his 15/16 season (14 3 pt attempts) the same as his following season (387 attempts). Only someone who doesn't understand grade school math, like you, would weight those seasons the same.

[red1]

he's struggling, a bit off this year but we're only a few games in. that number's going up.

[TheGoatest]

No this is a math fail. The denominator is attempts, not seasons. When calculating 3 pt percetages the calculation involves makes and attempts, not makes and seasons. :oldlol:

Brook Lopez didn't shoot 3s hardly at all in his first 8 seasons. Nobody is going to weight his 15/16 season (14 3 pt attempts) the same as his following season (387 attempts). Only someone who doesn't understand grade school math, like you, would weight those seasons the same.

When evaluating how good someone is, you better believe seasons and their consistency throughout those seasons are taken into consideration, and not just what they were capable of at certain spots of their career. That's why Bill Walton is barely top 75 and not top 20. :oldlol:

Um, everybody is still going to say that Brook Lopez wasn't a good 3 point shooter throughout the first half of his career, just like everybody except Foolish jordon extremists are going to say that Foolish jordon couldn't shoot 3s for the majority of his career.

[tontoz]

When evaluating how good someone is, you better believe seasons and their consistency throughout those seasons are taken into consideration, and not just what they were capable of at certain spots of their career. That's why Bill Walton is barely top 75 and not top 20. :oldlol:

Um, everybody is still going to say that Brook Lopez wasn't a good 3 point shooter throughout the first half of his career, just like everybody except Foolish jordon extremists are going to say that Foolish jordon couldn't shoot 3s for the majority of his career.


So do you weight Brooks 14 attempt season the same as his 387 attempt season?

:facepalm

[theman93]

So do you weight Brooks 14 attempt season the same as his 387 attempt season?

:facepalm

If you don't stop this I'm calling the authorities and reporting you for child abuse.

[LeGoat4Life]

Another 0/7 night for Lebron :oldlol::lol

[TheGoatest]

So do you weight Brooks 14 attempt season the same as his 387 attempt season?

:facepalm

No, I am weighing both seasons for what they actually were. Brook could've taken 1000 3pt attempts that season and connected 50% of them. That still wouldn't have changed the fact that he was a complete non-factor on the 3 point line for the first half of his entire career, and that fact should be taken into consideration when evaluating his overall career.
Now you could say that he might've been a great 3pt shooter had he shot more 3s earlier in his career, but we will never know that, and evaluations and all-time lists aren't based on would'ves, could'ves and might'ves.

[tontoz]

No, I am weighing both seasons for what they actually were. Brook could've taken 1000 3pt attempts that season and connected 50% of them. That still wouldn't have changed the fact that he was a complete non-factor on the 3 point line for the first half of his entire career, and that fact should be taken into consideration when evaluating his overall career.
Now you could say that he might've been a great 3pt shooter had he shot more 3s earlier in his career, but we will never know that, and evaluations and all-time lists aren't based on would'ves, could'ves and might'ves.

It was a yes or no question. No need to write an essay :oldlol:

I wasn't asking about other seasons, just those two. I also wasn't asking for hypothetical scenarios that would never happen.


Since you said no and don't value them equally, why is that? Why don't you value them equally?

[Airupthere]

It was a yes or no question. No need to write an essay :oldlol:

I wasn't asking about other seasons, just those two. I also wasn't asking for hypothetical scenarios that would never happen.


Since you said no and don't value them equally, why is that? Why don't you value them equally?

:roll: uh-oh

[warriorfan]

It was a yes or no question. No need to write an essay :oldlol:

I wasn't asking about other seasons, just those two. I also wasn't asking for hypothetical scenarios that would never happen.


Since you said no and don't value them equally, why is that? Why don't you value them equally?

:roll:

rip

[Full Court]

Instead of just conceding that he lost the argument, Foolish GoatTits just keeps making himself look even dumber. :lol

[TheGoatest]

It was a yes or no question. No need to write an essay :oldlol:

I wasn't asking about other seasons, just those two. I also wasn't asking for hypothetical scenarios that would never happen.


Since you said no and don't value them equally, why is that? Why don't you value them equally?

It was a stupid, misleading question without any point whatsoever. Which one of these Foolish jordon 3 point shooting seasons do you value the most?

1984-85 .173
1985-86 .167
1986-87 .182
1987-88 .132
2001-02 .189

Remember, it is a simple question. No need to write essays now. :oldlol:

[Johnny32]

update



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM&ab_channel=ctsa028

[Baller789]

Goatits is :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

update



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM&ab_channel=ctsa028

Never gets old. :roll:

[TheMan]

Never gets old. :roll:

Replying to himself :lol

Seek help.

[TheGoatest]

Replying to himself :lol

Seek help.

You replied to yourself like 50 times already in this thread. Get ready to switch between all of your alts and reply how I'm getting owned after tontoz' (who also might be one of your alts) next idiotic reply, like you have been doing so far. :roll:

[Baller789]

You replied to yourself like 50 times already in this thread. Get ready to switch between all of your alts and reply how I'm getting owned after tontoz' (who also might be one of your alts) next idiotic reply, like you have been doing so far. :roll:

But then again, this happened :roll:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501307-Why-didn-t-MJ-win-with-a-coach-who-made-the-2nd-round-with-a-14-9-ppg-leading-scorer

[TheGoatest]

Yes, that's one your most frequently used alts. Now time to reply with your Full Court alt, or maybe your other account with "the man" in it. :roll:

[Full Court]

Yes, that's one your most frequently used alts. Now time to reply with your Full Court alt, or maybe your other account with "the man" in it. :roll:

^Meltdown. :lol

[warriorfan]

bran stan’s getting unhinged :lol

[TheGoatest]

^Meltdown. :lol

Yes, that's the one. And now your other theman account?

[Baller789]

Foolish GoaTits accusing everyone of that which he is the most guilty of with hard evidence.

You cant make this $h!t up people. :milton

But then again he has no comeback. :lol

[LeGoat4Life]

Yes, that's the one. And now your other theman account?

Kblaze already exposed you and all your Alts kid

Just take the L and make another thread ******* :lol

[Johnny32]

Never gets old. :roll:

lol it's a classic.

[TheMan]

Foolish GoaTits accusing everyone of that which he is the most guilty of with hard evidence.

You cant make this $h!t up people. :milton

But then again he has no comeback. :lol

Yep, he's accusing me of being Full Court among others. I post nothing like Full Court, don't know where he got that idea from, maybe he thinks everyone here is as big a loser as he is, it's been proven he has alts, TheConstipation being one of them and lord knows how many others (Johnny32, Shooter, etc). Dude is projecting when he accuses others of something it's been proven beyond any doubt that he does. Poor mentally ill little fella :(

[TheGoatest]

Yep, he's accusing me of being Full Court among others. I post nothing like Full Court, don't know where he got that idea from, maybe he thinks everyone here is as big a loser as he is, it's been proven he has alts, TheConstipation being one of them and lord knows how many others (Johnny32, Shooter, etc). Dude is projecting when he accuses others of something it's been proven beyond any doubt that he does. Poor mentally ill little fella :(

Yes, and these guys wear completely different attire and act differently:

https://images4.imagebam.com/67/97/a4/MEGCWR3_o.png

:roll:

[theman93]

Yes, that's the one. And now your other theman account?

LOL. Feel free to IP check me you conspiracy theory retard :roll: :roll:

[Hey Yo]

LOL. Feel free to IP check me you conspiracy theory retard :roll: :roll:

Shook

[Baller789]

Foolish Lebron extremist GoaTits has no choice but to be a thick faced projecting moron since he has been exposed as an alt.


Comedy gold :oldlol:

[TheGoatest]

Foolish Lebron extremist GoaTits has no choice but to be a thick faced projecting moron since he has been exposed as an alt.


Comedy gold :oldlol:

I am living in your head rent free 24/7 with this (my only) account. If I truly had alts like you, you wouldn't have been able to survive without psychiatric attention, which you should seek immediately by the way. :roll:

[Baller789]

I am living in your head rent free 24/7 with this (my only) account. If I truly had alts like you, you wouldn't have been able to survive without psychiatric attention, which you should seek immediately by the way. :roll:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501307-Why-didn-t-MJ-win-with-a-coach-who-made-the-2nd-round-with-a-14-9-ppg-leading-scorer

:yaohappy:

[TheGoatest]

Still not sure why you keep bumping that post of mine, other than to remind me that Grant Hill led his team to a better record under Doug Collins than Foolish jordon did. :roll:

[LeGoat4Life]

Another game where Lebrick bricked his team to a L :lol

[Baller789]

Still not sure why you keep bumping that post of mine, other than to remind me that Grant Hill led his team to a better record under Doug Collins than Foolish jordon did. :roll:

Oh you mean the post where you got caught with your pants down? :lol

And oh I'm not bumping it foolish GoaTits exremist alt.

[TheGoatest]

Oh you mean the post where you got caught with your pants down? :lol

And oh I'm not bumping it foolish GoaTits exremist alt.

If you mean "caught with pants down" as in pissing all over pro-Foolish jordon propaganda, then you're right. :roll:

[Full Court]

OP, you need to update this thread. He's now down to shooting under 21% from three.

:roll:

:lebronamazed:

[Baller789]

Goatits getting tiggered is hilarious.


Shut it down goatits extremist moron alt :dancin

[BarberSchool]

What if Bran secretly wanted Russ to fail and knew that he would fail, and shoot an even Lower 3FG% than himself, just so people talked about Bran bad shooting less, and piled the blame on Russ ? Hahahahah

[Full Court]

What if Bran secretly wanted Russ to fail and knew that he would fail, and shoot an even Lower 3FG% than himself, just so people talked about Bran bad shooting less, and piled the blame on Russ ? Hahahahah

Well if that's the case, it's gonna backfire this year, since so far Westbrook's been playing better than Lebron has.