Vince Carters first nationally televised nba game.

[Kblaze8855]

https://youtu.be/y-aNB30Nhmc


I know Shawn Marion had nightmares of the midrange. Out there working his ass off being made to look like one of us.

Vince was probably nicer than we give him credit for in retrospect because he wasn’t what we wanted him to be. In the 2020s like 6 of those midranges are probably run to get him to catch it at the 3. We didn’t really like him shooting all those outside shots at the time. Felt he was playing softer than his athleticism should have allowed.

Hed probably be taking 10 a game now. He shot 40, 41, and 39% from 3 those years while many wanted him to shoot less. He was “only” taking 3-5 a game.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I remember a UNC Duke game where it seemed like he was the next Jordan for sure. He had a missed oop that was more impressive than any dunk most superstars ever do.

[Kblaze8855]

My mom mostly stopped watching the NBA after Jordan retired the second time and she walked by me and my friends watching the 2001 All-Star game and asked who Vince Carter was after he did something and was told people are talking like either him or Kobe are the next Jordan. She watched a good bit of it and asked why not that other guy(meaning Allen Iverson). I told her he’s like 3 inches shorter than me and she was like “Too bad”. I don’t think she said a word about basketball after that until Kobe had 81. Vince and AI stood out to her. I don’t know why I remember that so clearly.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Carter was never anywhere near the GOAT debate but he absolutely has some of the GOAT dunk highlights. Judging him harshly you could say he's an underachieve because he had good skills and is one of the greatest athletes ever. But it's not like he's Tim Thomas. He probably just laughs at the whole debate of it doesn't piss him off. How can you be a legit no questions hall of famer and yet an underachiever?

[Kblaze8855]

While I don’t disagree….I’ll also say he’s not the biggest underachieving hall of famer in his own family.

[BigShotBob]

A lot of players have the offensive talent similiar to Jordan or that's "Jordan-like" but they don't have the fluidity, body control, grace, motor, or defensive impact that prime MJ had either

It's just not the same but VC was definitely great

[Kblaze8855]

Id say VC may have had the first 3 or close enough not to argue. That guy was like an Olympic high jumping Gumby with his explosiveness and how fluid he was moving in the air. His windmills were just…pretty. He had some flexible ass shoulders I guess. He definitely didn’t have the motor though. MJ had a Westbrook or Iverson motor in a Vince body.

[L.Kizzle]

VC is widely underrated now. He was must see TV in Toronto and even in his NJ days.
I didn't know his national TV debut was in his 2nd season and 51 points at that.
Is that a national TV debut high?

[Kblaze8855]

I guess they couldn’t foresee him being such a highlight reel before his rookie year. Plus his rookie year was the lockout. Schedules were off all around and they missed the playoffs.

[L.Kizzle]

I guess they couldn’t foresee him being such a highlight reel before his rookie year. Plus his rookie year was the lockout. Schedules were off all around and they missed the playoffs.
Right, plus I'm not too sure how much they were promoting rookies back then on Nat TV unless they were Shaq or LeBron.

[pandiani17]

My mom mostly stopped watching the NBA after Jordan retired the second time and she walked by me and my friends watching the 2001 All-Star game and asked who Vince Carter was after he did something and was told people are talking like either him or Kobe are the next Jordan. She watched a good bit of it and asked why not that other guy(meaning Allen Iverson). I told her he’s like 3 inches shorter than me and she was like “Too bad”. I don’t think she said a word about basketball after that until Kobe had 81. Vince and AI stood out to her. I don’t know why I remember that so clearly.

AI cooked both VC and Kobe in the 2001 play-offs lol What are you talking about?:roll:

[pandiani17]

Had all the skills to be an all-time great, didn't have the right mindset to be an all-time great.

[L.Kizzle]

Had all the skills to be an all-time great, didn't have the right mindset to be an all-time great.
He is an all time great.

[pandiani17]

He is an all time great.

:oldlol:

[L.Kizzle]

:oldlol:
You must have him confused with Vincent Askew.

[Phoenix]

I was an internatioanl student in Canada when he hit the scene, 'Vincsanity' was very real at that point with the buzz he was creating. I must have seen most of the Raptors 99/00 season on TSN. Vince just seemed to peak really early, by 2001 he was as good as he ever was going to be and that was his 3rd year.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I was an internatioanl student in Canada when he hit the scene, 'Vincsanity' was very real at that point with the buzz he was creating. I must have seen most of the Raptors 99/00 season on TSN. Vince just seemed to peak really early, by 2001 he was as good as he ever was going to be and that was his 3rd year.

The thing that shouldn't be overlooked is that even though he had peaked he was AllNBA (or at least AllNBA level? ). So that's a high peak and should be appreciated even though most of its think he could have been even better. Really the only thing I criticize him for is that I'm sure he quit on the Raptors. The final season in Toronto he was doing something like 16ppg and was just obviously digging it and then he goes to jersey and is as good as new. As a professional he shouldn't have done that to the Raptors. But otherwise he had a great career.

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legend






carter4ever

[Paolo Banchero]

Add another one who deserves his number to be retired Before Carmelo with Denver.

[Phoenix]

The thing that shouldn't be overlooked is that even though he had peaked he was AllNBA (or at least AllNBA level? ). So that's a high peak and should be appreciated even though most of its think he could have been even better. Really the only thing I criticize him for is that I'm sure he quit on the Raptors. The final season in Toronto he was doing something like 16ppg and was just obviously digging it and then he goes to jersey and is as good as new. As a professional he shouldn't have done that to the Raptors. But otherwise he had a great career.

Yes, to be clear my comment that he 'peaked' early wasn't meant to be taken as a criticism. 2001 VC was a top 10 player in a league that featured Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Kobe, Webber, Iverson, Tmac etc etc. It's no small feat to be a top ten caliber player amongst that level of talent who were all in their peaks/primes.

He very clearly quit on the Raptors. Without looking at Basketball ref I think he started dropping like 28 as soon as he went to the Nets, and ended up doing like 25 for the year. It's pretty clear he had checked out but after a few seasons there, he settled into an 'all-star' player but didn't seem like he had the desire to really compete to be amongst the very elite anymore. 2001 Kobe and VC was a conversation at the time, yes in retrospect that seems silly and obviously Kobe was a better 2way player, but VC that year was good enough for people to be arguing about it( same with 2003 Tmac vs Kobe). These were all very real talking points.

[2much_knowledge]

I was an internatioanl student in Canada when he hit the scene, 'Vincsanity' was very real at that point with the buzz he was creating. I must have seen most of the Raptors 99/00 season on TSN. Vince just seemed to peak really early, by 2001 he was as good as he ever was going to be and that was his 3rd year.

It was because in the first months of the 2002 season, when he was playing better than ever, injured his knee bad. But not to many people remember that game

[Real Men Wear Green]

It was because in the first months of the 2002 season, when he was playing better than ever, injured his knee bad. But not to many people remember that game

That season he averaged 16 for the Raptors and 27 for the Nets. Last game as a Raptor had 5 points. First as a Net 22.

[Kblaze8855]

Oh yeah he definitely quit in Toronto. We saw that the very moment he got to Jersey.

[2much_knowledge]

That season he averaged 16 for the Raptors and 27 for the Nets. Last game as a Raptor had 5 points. First as a Net 22.

The injury was way before his beef with Sam Mitchell. Numbers wise he played as good in NJ, but if you watched thr games, the explosiveness and quickness wasnt the same as 2001. Clearly lost a step.

[Paolo Banchero]

He was a flop in NJ though. Without Carter , Nets were a NBA finals team.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The injury was way before his beef with Sam Mitchell. Numbers wise he played as good in NJ, but if you watched thr games, the explosiveness and quickness wasnt the same as 2001. Clearly lost a step.

The scoring numbers clearly indicate the change in effort. His final game as a Raptor was 2-8 for 5 points. Unless he wasn't healthy enough to play that's just not a prime give Carter. And then 22 in Net debut? To reiterate: 16 ppg as a Raptor, 27 as a Net.

[Paolo Banchero]

The scoring numbers clearly indicate the change in effort. His final game as a Raptor was 2-8 for 5 points. Unless he wasn't healthy enough to play that's just not a prime give Carter. And then 22 in Net debut? To reiterate: 16 ppg as a Raptor, 27 as a Net.

It could be motivation.

[L.Kizzle]

He was a flop in NJ though. Without Carter , Nets were a NBA finals team.

Not the same East budy.

[Paolo Banchero]

Not the same East budy.

Elaborate please on what you mean.

[Phoenix]

Elaborate please on what you mean.

I would take that to mean the mid 2000s East was stronger than the early 2000s East when the Nets were making the finals.

[ArbitraryWater]

A lot of players have the offensive talent similiar to Jordan or that's "Jordan-like" but they don't have the fluidity, body control, grace, motor, or defensive impact that prime MJ had either

It's just not the same but VC was definitely great

Thanks you literally named all the things that others indeed had of MJ.

[Paolo Banchero]

I would take that to mean the mid 2000s East was stronger than the early 2000s East when the Nets were making the finals.

I got it. Thanks.