Luka-ball will be career loser just like Lebron-ball unless he form super-teams

[3ba11]

I'm literally using the historical record of Lebron's career to project Luka's career, so how am I wrong?.. :confusedshrug:

The reality is that ball-dominators are massively-overrated in our game... :confusedshrug:

examples include Westbrick making the top 75 and now everyone says Luka is the 2nd best player behind Giannis and AHEAD OF CURRY.

This is a travesty - did you guys not see Curry carry Andrew frieking Wiggins to the title while defeating maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load in Finals)??.. Luka can't do that - unlike expert jumpshooters, ball-dominators like Luka lack sufficient brand of ball to carry the scoring load against championship comp (too ball-dominant), so he needs all-time scoring help like Kareem, Wade, AD or Kyrie.

And if Luka wins without super-teams, doesn't that make him much better than Lebron?

[1987_Lakers]

https://i.ibb.co/tMGnRnJ/Screenshot-2021-07-20-180658.png

[Wally450]

Yawn...

[Hey Yo]

https://i.ibb.co/tMGnRnJ/Screenshot-2021-07-20-180658.png

eot

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

No one has a response because 3ball is right, so this thread is educational - aka don't expect Luka to win without super-team talent to support his gutter-ball brand of basketball

[JohnMax]

Luka and Jokic are chasing Dirk, not Jordan, so it's okay if they don't win as many championships as Lebron.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://i.ibb.co/tMGnRnJ/Screenshot-2021-07-20-180658.png
Yikes, what an idiot.

[3ba11]

Yikes, what an idiot.


Yeah we get it - you have no response to the truth - Luka's gutter-ball brand won't win without super-teams just like Lebron

I can't imagine following a sport that I was so clueless about - if you think ball-dominators are top players then you don't understand the game at all.. It's sad that you waste your time watching..

You're like a dog watching TV

[Hey Yo]

Yeah we get it - you have no response to the truth - Luka's gutter-ball brand won't win without super-teams just like Lebron

You said what you posted about Giannis was the truth, but the truth is you're a stupidfvck whose been ruined by LeBron.

[bison]

Luka is developing Christian wood into an all-nba type player the way Jordan did with pippen. When luka wins a ring don’t be surprised to see Wood in the NBA top 75 twenty years from
Now

[Paolo Banchero]

Luka is more Harden, than Lebron.
The step-back, no defense, flops.

[Axe]

https://i.ibb.co/tMGnRnJ/Screenshot-2021-07-20-180658.png
Epic thread ender

[3ba11]

Luka is developing Christian wood into an all-nba type player the way Jordan did with pippen. When luka wins a ring don’t be surprised to see Wood in the NBA top 75 twenty years from
Now


Okay and I generally agree that if Luka won rings with Wood, it would inflate Wood, but actually rise Luka up my ranks legitimately (like MJ).

However, the issue is that Wood was already pretty good before joining Luka, whereas Jordan developed single-digit rookies into viable producers (Pippen, Grant, BJ)... I'm not sure guys develop as rookies alongside Luka because he imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, so he lacks the teammate development, fits and brand of ball to win organically (thereby needing colluded super-teams like Lebron).

It's my belief that imposing spot-up roles (ball-dominant 1st options) can't win organically, so if Luka proves me wrong by winning a couple chips, then he'll crack my top rankings.. Unfortunately, the historical record says that he'll need super-teams, except that he doesn't play exactly like Lebron (vastly superior pure/instinctive scorer, among the trickiest ever.. his jumper gets hot so he commands doubles.. it's just the ball-dominance)

[90sgoat]

Luka is even worse than Lebron, because Lebron didn't really care about scoring numbers.

Luka doesn't even want someone like D-Wade, because he'll take shots away from him.

Luke wants to score 40 ppg like Harden and Kobe. He's the supreme selfish player. I mean, comparable more to who Tracy McGrady was supposed to be.

I wouldn't rule it out he could win a ring sooner rather than later, but it would require some injuries to good teams like Warriors.

He can win against my-turn-your-turn teams like Nets and Clippers though.

[BigKobeFan]

Bran is a career loser until he had to start teaming up. That was his only way to save his career

[Paolo Banchero]

Luka Doncic this season:

32 Points, 10 Assists, 7 Rebounds
35 Points, 6 Assists, 9 Rebounds
37 Points, 11 Assists, 7 Rebounds
41 Points, 14 Assists, 11 Rebounds
31 Points, 10 Assists, 16 Rebounds
44 Points, 5 Assists, 3 Rebounds

[RRR3]

The fact that OP is already scared of Luka should tell you how great Luka is historically.

[3ba11]

The fact that OP is already scared of Luka should tell you how great Luka is historically.


Do you ever get tired of lapping up the ignorance from cable?

I'm right about all this stuff and I've proved it many times over

Ball-dominators are historically overrated and can't win organically or without super-team

This is the historical record

so no - Luka will never reach the level of expert jumpshooters that win more with less, aka Curry, MJ, Kobe or even peak Kawhi

[Phoenix]

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Thread Cliffs

No one has a response because 3ball is right, so this thread is educational - aka don't expect Luka to win without super-team talent to support his gutter-ball brand of basketball

'Steph is the most overrated player ever.....(two months later)....Steph is top 10'

'Giannis is a Pippen level bum( Giannis leads Bucks to chip).... Giannis is top 10'

Shut the fvck up.

[zeerghit]

https://i.ibb.co/tMGnRnJ/Screenshot-2021-07-20-180658.png

:roll:

[ImKobe]

Luka is capable of playing team ball but he's been on mediocre teams his whole NBA career. He's forced to play in his current role with the talent around him.


Luka is even worse than Lebron, because Lebron didn't really care about scoring numbers.

Luka doesn't even want someone like D-Wade, because he'll take shots away from him.

Luke wants to score 40 ppg like Harden and Kobe. He's the supreme selfish player. I mean, comparable more to who Tracy McGrady was supposed to be.

I wouldn't rule it out he could win a ring sooner rather than later, but it would require some injuries to good teams like Warriors.

He can win against my-turn-your-turn teams like Nets and Clippers though.

Lebron didn't care about his scoring numbers? He's always cared about putting up stats, especially when he was on those early Cavs teams in a similar situation as Luka's in right now.

Luka has to score 30-40 a night for the Mavs to be competitive, there's not a lot of offensive talent on that team. Dinwiddie, THJ and Wood are his 2nd-4th options. I don't think you can find another Playoff team with less scoring talent around their #1 guy in today's league.

[AirBonner]

Op is scared of Lukas scoring load

[RRR3]

Luka is capable of playing team ball but he's been on mediocre teams his whole NBA career. He's forced to play in his current role with the talent around him.



Lebron didn't care about his scoring numbers? He's always cared about putting up stats, especially when he was on those early Cavs teams in a similar situation as Luka's in right now.

Luka has to score 30-40 a night for the Mavs to be competitive, there's not a lot of offensive talent on that team. Dinwiddie, THJ and Wood are his 2nd-4th options. I don't think you can find another Playoff team with less scoring talent around their #1 guy in today's league.
LeBron cares about stats but you’re delusional if you think he ever set out just to score as many points as he could. Maybe you could argue parts of last year. Certainly not in his prime though.

[ShawkFactory]

Luka is playing at an unreal level right now.

[RRR3]

Luka is playing at an unreal level right now.
Obviously if 3ball makes a thread dissing him.

[ShawkFactory]

Obviously if 3ball makes a thread dissing him.

True

[Wally450]

'Steph is the most overrated player ever.....(two months later)....Steph is top 10'

'Giannis is a Pippen level bum( Giannis leads Bucks to chip).... Giannis is top 10'

Shut the fvck up.

Thread Cliffs: OP will avoid this post.

[3ba11]

'Steph is the most overrated player ever.....(two months later)....Steph is top 10'

'Giannis is a Pippen level bum( Giannis leads Bucks to chip).... Giannis is top 10'

Shut the fvck up.



100k posts and you can find 3 things I was wrong about. So I'm goat then... Okay just checking

[Hey Yo]

100k posts and you can find 3 things I was wrong about. So I'm goat then... Okay just checking

The only thing you've gotten right is when you said LeBron had a better peak than Jordan.

[3ba11]

The only thing you've gotten right is when you said LeBron had a better peak than Jordan.


You guys are babies that can't refute anything I say - you can only deflect and avoid the point being made - it's almost like you PREFER to think the wrong thing and misunderstand the game

When I point out the historical record that ball-dominators can't win organically or without super-teams - you have nothing - you can't refute so I'm right about everything

[RRR3]

100k posts and you can find 3 things I was wrong about. So I'm goat then... Okay just checking
I honestly can’t think of anything you’ve been right about re: the NBA

[GrayGoat]

Op is often wrong about Jordan and feels the need to embellish his career and stats. Jordan is the only player that doesn’t need embellishment lolol

[3ba11]

I honestly can’t think of anything you’ve been right about re: the NBA


Too many to even begin... Every day I school you guys on here and you respond childishly

Furthermore I've never been wrong about Lebron and you can't point to a single post where I was

He's just a dumb ball-dominator that fielded whimpering, 50-win underdogs with preseason favorite super-teams.. His low IQ made underdogs out of favored talent... year..... after year..... :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Too many to even begin... Every day I school you guys on here and you respond childishly

Furthermore I've never been wrong about Lebron and you can't point to a single post where I was

He's just a dumb ball-dominator that fielded whimpering, 50-win underdogs with preseason favorite super-teams.. His low IQ made underdogs out of favored talent... year..... after year..... :oldlol:
Sure I can. You said he needed two star teammates to win and then he won with one in 2020. Oops.

[1987_Lakers]

Sure I can. You said he needed two star teammates to win and then he won with one in 2020. Oops.

Or how he said the Warriors would lose to the Celtics if Wiggins put up "pippen numbers", he did and the Warriors still won.

Or Oubre, lol.

[tontoz]

OP is never wrong.....he just changes his mind. :oldlol:

Curry and Giannis say hi

[Phoenix]

100k posts and you can find 3 things I was wrong about. So I'm goat then... Okay just checking

Even if the count was only 3( and it isn't), they're some of the dumbest statments I've seen on the internet, on any site, about any topic.

Carry on

[SouBeachTalents]

OP is never wrong.....he just changes his mind. :oldlol:

Curry and Giannis say hi
Exactly, he argues both sides of the argument too, depending on whatever agenda he’s trying to push. He has no shame in how retarded he looks doing it either :lol

[3ba11]

Sure I can. You said he needed two star teammates to win and then he won with one in 2020. Oops.


I was right about that because 2nd option rings don't count

He never won without super-teams as the top producer

[Phoenix]

Or how he said the Warriors would lose to the Celtics if Wiggins put up "pippen numbers", he did and the Warriors still won.

Or Oubre, lol.

Funny thing is Wiggins numbers were worse than like 4 of Pippen's 6 finals. The other two( 96 and 98) his production was affected by injuries.

[3ba11]

Or how he said the Warriors would lose to the Celtics if Wiggins put up "pippen numbers", he did and the Warriors still won.

Or Oubre, lol.


Nah son, I was right again because the Pippen performance from Wiggins wasn't enough - Curry needed 2 guys to get Pippen performance (Klay and Wiggins)

So I'm right about everything..

Example: Lebron starts at point guard but then becomes a 2nd point guard on the floor (2nd player with a point guard hold-time) - these 2 point guard lineups give teammates less hold-time and assists then they get in traditional 1 point guard lineups, so the TEAM has low assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level, aka lottery record on the championship level regardless of cast (20-21 in the Finals excluding 07', 15', 18')

[Phoenix]

OP is never wrong.....he just changes his mind. :oldlol:

Curry and Giannis say hi

You noticed that too?

[3ba11]

You noticed that too?


2 wrong things in 100k posts and 1 goat troll (Oubre)

[RRR3]

I could claim I’m always right too if I just moved the goalposts every single time I was proven wrong.


“RRR3 you said Justise Winslow would be the next Kawhi you were dead wrong”

“Nope he could be the next Kawhi if he’s used properly so I’m still right”

[zeerghit]

2 wrong things in 100k posts and 1 goat troll (Oubre)

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487615-Prediction-people-will-be-saying-Oubre-gt-Klay-at-times-this-next-season
i cant see any trolling.. care to explain?

[3ba11]

I could claim I’m always right too if I just moved the goalposts every single time I was proven wrong.


“RRR3 you said Justise Winslow would be the next Kawhi you were dead wrong”

“Nope he could be the next Kawhi if he’s used properly so I’m still right”


Lebron needs 2 stars to win, unless he's 2nd option

So I was never wrong on that

Ditto on the Wiggins/Pippen thing - the Pippen performance from Wiggins wasn't enough because Curry needed TWO GUYS to get Pippen performance (Wiggins and Klay)

Unlike you guys, I can always explain myself because I'm wrong hardly ever

[3ba11]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487615-Prediction-people-will-be-saying-Oubre-gt-Klay-at-times-this-next-season
i cant see any trolling.. care to explain?


The 1-liner OP?..

"don't take it from a guy who doesn't watch"


C'mon.... :whatever:

[zeerghit]

The 1-liner OP?..

"don't take it from a guy who doesn't watch"


C'mon.... :whatever:

ok lets see:"The warriors don't need him to dribble and pass.. he's actually a highly-assisted player with solid catch-and-shoot ability - so his game doesn't inherently hinder ball movement and the warriors won't put him in bad iso situations unnecessarily like phoenix probably did - oubre won't be iso'ing with his head down except in bailout situations where they need him to.

And not all black holes are equal... Wiggins is the guy you should worry about because his handle is less optimal so it's harder for teammates to move around him... whereas Oubre's handle is pure guard smooth at 6'7" and he's getting everywhere with 1 or 2 dribbles... It's completely optimal so teammates don't have to wait or hesitate - it would feel more natural playing with him than when wiggins handles the rock.

A guy like Oubre in the right system and lookout - another pippen? Perhaps with better scoring and less passing?. That's what a good system can do... It might be night and day... I like that draymond will be playmaking and feeding him for threes and slashes.. and Oubre's presence reduces wiggins ball-handling duties.. everything shifts a spot towards optimal"
more: "I agree that Oubre will have to continue his growth... But the historical growth looks solid and I like the pro formas (projections)

This could be a breakout year alongside veteran teammates and a more optimal system.. I think draymond's health is key to the season because we want him with the playmaking duties more than wiggins or Oubre

But Oubre has a legit handle.. so don't be surprised if his playmaking takes a step forward this year alongside curry (a goat closer of possessions)"
im only in first page.. should i keep going? one liner...

[Phoenix]

2 wrong things in 100k posts and 1 goat troll (Oubre)

Those two wrong things should have gotten you committed. Your 100k posts are mostly regurgitated talking points.

[StrongLurk]

OP is so weird. Very strange behavior.

OP why don't you make a podcast or youtube channel since you are so obsessed? You have wasted over a decade posting on ISH since you won't ever change anyone's mind.

[tontoz]

You guys won't believe this but I actually got 3ball to back down once in a Jordan argument, probably a first on this site.


tontoz, I'll give you credit for winning this battle... just the balls to say Dumars outplayed Jordan and then actually provide some proof so that it isn't a ridiculous troll like say 8ball or And1AllDay's useless posts... kudos... you win this one via effort and resourcefulness. 8ball can learn from you... I had a big advantage but you found a way to mitigate it, a little bit


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496203-Which-games-was-Michael-Jordan-outplayed-by-an-opposing-player/page2

[3ba11]

ok lets see:...


1-liner joke OP and then I had to keep the troll going once I saw the response

i.e. "Wiggins has suboptimal handle so it's harder for teammates to move around him''... ??? ... :kobe:

you guys went for it

a bunch of drivel to keep the troll going

[zeerghit]

You guys won't believe this but I actually got 3ball to back down one in a Jordan argument, probably a first on this site.

thats actually impresive achievement, congrats

[zeerghit]

1-liner joke OP and then I had to keep the troll going once I saw the response

i.e. "Wiggins has suboptimal handle so it's harder for teammates to move around him''... ??? ... :kobe:

you guys went for it

a bunch of drivel to keep the troll going

should i post more? like this?:"Klay doesn't pass either, so Oubre fits perfectly

Oubre is a better talent than klay but Klay is just in the cupcake era that inflates his stand-still shooting skill"

[3ba11]

should i post more? like this?:"Klay doesn't pass either, so Oubre fits perfectly

Oubre is a better talent than klay but Klay is just in the cupcake era that inflates his stand-still shooting skill"


Indeed, it was an impressive troll

[RRR3]

You guys won't believe this but I actually got 3ball to back down once in a Jordan argument, probably a first on this site.




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496203-Which-games-was-Michael-Jordan-outplayed-by-an-opposing-player/page2
This is a S tier ISH achievement. Props.

[3ba11]

You guys won't believe this but I actually got 3ball to back down once in a Jordan argument, probably a first on this site.




http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496203-Which-games-was-Michael-Jordan-outplayed-by-an-opposing-player/page2


Yes but dank08 save me at the end by accurately pointing out that Dumars didn't really outplay Jordan in Game 1 (Jordan outplayed him), thus undercutting your argument... but pretty good nonetheless

[RRR3]

Yes but dank08 save me at the end by accurately pointing out that Dumars didn't really outplay Jordan in Game 1, thus undercutting your argument but pretty good nonetheless
Yikes needed dankok to bail him out. Can’t win on his own!

[zeerghit]

Indeed, it was an impressive troll

surrender? already?

[3ba11]

surrender? already?


Now this wasn't a troll:


Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............. 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............. 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts


The 15' Warriors were a newbie team that barely beat an injured Lebron team, so they would have no chance against Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers in 98' or the Popovich/Duncan/Robinson Spurs that the Jazz destroyed

[zeerghit]

Now this wasn't a troll:


Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............. 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html).... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............. 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts


The 15' Warriors were a newbie team that barely beat an injured Lebron team, so they would have no chance against Shaq's 4 all-star Lakers in 98' or the Popovich/Duncan/Robinson Spurs that the Jazz destroyed

wtf??:roll: u waving white flag proudly

[3ba11]

wtf??:roll: u waving white flag proudly


Old news

Yes the Oubre thread was an all-time great troll

Maybe there will be another great troll or 2 over the next 100k post

[zeerghit]

Old news

Yes the Oubre thread was an all-time great troll

Maybe there will be another great troll or 2 over the next 100k post
no it wasnt you know it i know it everybody knows it

[3ba11]

no it wasnt you know it i know it everybody knows it


Regardless of what you believe, that thread was the exception that proves the rule (that 3ball is generally pretty spot on and more insightful than most on this forum)

[SouBeachTalents]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487615-Prediction-people-will-be-saying-Oubre-gt-Klay-at-times-this-next-season&p=14224137&viewfull=1#post14224137

Yep, totally "trolling" here with your long ass serious posts :lol

[3ba11]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?487615-Prediction-people-will-be-saying-Oubre-gt-Klay-at-times-this-next-season&p=14224137&viewfull=1#post14224137

Yep, totally "trolling" here with your long ass serious posts :lol


Regardless of whether you believe I was having a little fun or not, that thread was the exception that proves the rule (that 3ball is generally pretty spot on and more insightful than most on this forum except the site visionary, warriorsfan of course)

[1987_Lakers]

Oubre is unique because he's built like a wing creator but he's actually a big assist target - 70% of his buckets are assisted... 46% with zero dribbles... and 31% are catch-and-shoot... (2020 data).

His high assisted rate (70%) shows that his skillset is infact catch-and-shoot and play-finisher, while his 35% three-point percentage shows that he's a capable shooter.. But instead of viewing himself as catch-and-shoot player and athletic play-finisher, he might put pressure on himself to prove he can be a Harden or Paul George-level creator.. this would f*ck up his game.

So Oubre needs to envision himself as a shooter/sniper type - a guy that gets a lot of points like jj reddick or klay - it's okay to be that kind of player and still be an athletic slasher/dunker too... He's more of an athletic but unpolished chris mullin, aka an assisted shooter and possession-closer..

And before you say that I'm using previous year data - remember that Oubre is an assisted player his whole career (70%)... So he's catching passes and finishing, aka it's the Warriors that aren't putting him in the right spots... Phoenix apparently was... And Oubre deserves some blame for not accepting his unique skillset and properly viewing himself as the shooter/possession-closer-assassin that he is - he's always had a lot of catch-and-shoot in his game since high school and was always viewed as a capable shooter with good form.

Ultimately, he's more similar to Klay than people realize - both are highly-assisted players and play-finishers.. Oubre just needs to realize that in between his elite power jams, the catch-and-shoot game is his game and always has been. Once he accepts that, his game will come, his shooting stroke will return, and he'll be able to set up drives with head-fakes.

"I was just trolling bro."

[3ba11]

"I was just trolling bro."


Pretty good eh?

I take pride that my basketball knowledge is sufficiently-extensive to make an argument for anyone

I had a lot of fun in that thread.. I viewed it as an impossible task and it proved to be that - no one was convinced that Oubre could lay a glove on Klay.. But it was fun trying and the real successful Klay takedown came in the Hornacek thread.. A few people were sold in that thread... And I love Klay, but he's just a Pippen - a secondary producer that was lucky to land in a dynasty system

[NBAGOAT]

Pretty good eh?

I take pride that my basketball knowledge is sufficiently-extensive to make an argument for anyone

I had a lot of fun in that thread.. I viewed it as an impossible task and it proved to be that - no one was convinced that Oubre could lay a glove on Klay.. But it was fun trying and the real successful Klay takedown came in the Hornacek thread.. A few people were sold in that thread... And I love Klay, but he's just a Pippen - a secondary producer that was lucky to land in a dynasty system

Trolling is supposed to be fun for some other people too. That oubre thread wasn’t fun for anyone else. As for Luka Dallas management being subpar(like the cavs with lebron) is why Luka won’t win a title in next few years. Going all in on porzingis was a disaster, they’ll regret losing brunson too imo. All Luka needs is a great big(ad for lebron) or a great secondary hall handler(cp3 for harden) and they couldn’t do either while Luka made a rookie salary. Instead they have spencer dinwiddie and Christian wood.

[tontoz]

Yeah I don't buy the oubre thread being a troll. He actually had to take the time to type all that. He couldn't copy and paste like he usually does.

[1987_Lakers]

Yeah I don't buy the oubre thread being a troll.

Nobody does, 3ball isn't fooling anyone.

[3ba11]

Nobody does, 3ball isn't fooling anyone.


I purposefully take extreme positions all the time to see if I can justify them.. I actually thought I did a pretty good job in that thread but I guess the position was a little too extreme to pull off

Otoh, this thread isn't extreme or trolling - it's based on the historical record (Lebron's career) and also bball 101 that ball-domination imposes spot-up roles and is inferior to ball movement .

[ShawkFactory]

Yeah I don't buy the oubre thread being a troll. He actually had to take the time to type all that. He couldn't copy and paste like he usually does.

90% of what he says is trolling.

He’s a troll..

[3ba11]

90% of what he says is trolling.

He’s a troll..


That's fine if you think that but what about this thread?

Is it "extreme" or is it basketball 101 and historical record?..

Ball-dominators impose spot-up roles that stall young players (bball 101), so they lack the teammate development, fits or brand to win organically like we saw with Lebron (historical record)

[Axe]

https://media.tenor.com/RpUMFHTJfRQAAAAi/kstr-kochstrasse.gif

[3ba11]

Luka's worst-ever Finals record is just beginning, just like Lebron's - all my narratives are proving correct because we know Kyrie is a goat player for making Finals with 2 historic ball-dominators, while Luka-ball will still fall to an expert jumpshooter on the championship level, just like Lebron.

[Axe]

Luka made the conference finals two years ago. :oldlol:

Kyrie couldn't even get past the 2nd round with his nets superteam. :confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

Luka made the conference finals two years ago. :oldlol:

Kyrie couldn't even get past the 2nd round with his nets superteam. :confusedshrug:


Kyrie just demolished 80's Jordan, I mean Ant, while also destroying peak Curry in 2016 to become a champion..

So Kyrie is a goat player... The amazing thing is that if Luka made the Finals with him, just think how great MJ/Kyrie would be with vastly superior defense and superior brand and chemistry on offense.. MJ would have a goat dynasty with a winner and goat difference-maker like Kyrie.

[Axe]

^^Except ant is a whole lot better than jordan if we were to base their careers on their respective first five years in the league. So until then, shut your trap. :whatever:

[3ba11]

^^Except ant is a whole lot better than jordan if we were to base their careers on their respective first five years in the league. So until then, shut your trap. :whatever:


Regarding individual success - by Jordan's 5th healthy season (1990), he had MVP, DPOY, 4 scoring titles and a 3000-point season (only MJ and Wilt did that).. he also dropped the playoff record against the #1 SRS and #1 defense in the league

so no

Regarding team success - by Jordan's 4th or 5th healthy season, he was nearly beating the champs with 32 ppg, while Ant is getting G-swept with only 25 ppg and bad efficiency.. so it's no comparison... Ant also has a completely stacked cast that was heavily-favored against and a weak opponent (#13 SRS), while MJ had a low-seeded lottery cast against a historic dynasty..

[Axe]

Jordan didn't advance past the first round until pippen came in '87.

Meanwhile, ant's already led a team to 50+ wins and made the conference finals in just his fourth season in the league.

Go figure.

[3ba11]

Jordan didn't advance past the first round until pippen came in '87.

Meanwhile, ant's already led a team to 50+ wins and made the conference finals in just his fourth season in the league.

Go figure.


KAT built the Wolves, which includes being their best player and only All-NBA player until 2023

Despite this stacked team, Ant was just G-swept as a massive favorite and played poorly, while MJ nearly beat the champs with nothing and played well




Jordan didn't advance past the first round until pippen came in '87.

Meanwhile, ant's already led a team to 50+ wins and made the conference finals in just his fourth season in the league.

Go figure.

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4th healthy season vs Finals team:



07' Lebron vs Spurs.......... 22 on 36%.... swept

24 Antman vs Mavs.......... 25 on 43%.... G-swept

89' Jordan vs DET............. 30 on 46%.... would've gone 7 if Pip didn't miss game 6

[Axe]

89' Jordan vs DET............. 30 on 46%.... would've gone 7 if Pip didn't miss game 6
So you agree now that he needed his help bt too? Got it.

[3ba11]

I'm always right guys

Luka couldn't win with Kyrie, Brunson or Porzingas, so he's teaming up with opposing franchise players, just like I predicted.

I was called crazy, but I'm just smart and can see the future..

[3ba11]

History shows that ball-dominators need multiple franchise players on 1 team to win (super-teams)... So SGA and Luka cannot win unless Reaves or Williams play like franchise players (completely dominate)... Regardless, ball-dominators like SGA or Luka never produce great teams (dynasties, aka 3 in 5... or dominant champions, aka dominant title runs of 4 losses or less).

[talkingconch]

Luka's worst-ever Finals record is just beginning, just like Lebron's - all my narratives are proving correct because we know Kyrie is a goat player for making Finals with 2 historic ball-dominators, while Luka-ball will still fall to an expert jumpshooter on the championship level, just like Lebron.

? Making the NBA finals is extremely difficult much less winning. Luka is already a cut above the rest. Wtf

[3ba11]

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3ba11's predictions about SGA from another forum (for reference purposes):






SGA will lose

He's just another ball-dominator that is succeeding with ball-dominance in non-adjustment basketball (regular season), just like many others before him... But this brand will be defeated by easy adjustments and ball movement in the playoffs, just like many others before him. . The ball movement of the Nuggets, Celtics, Grizzlies or Cavs will beat him.

Btw, it's quite sad that the media doesn't clamor to get Jokic more help the way they do Lebron... It's an unwritten rule that the Lakers have access to the league's best players because GM's are ready to wheel and deal with the Lakers, as instructed by the media... Accordingly, Jokic is simply f*cked... As long as the league is sending Lebron all the good players to get him #5, Jokic is stuck with his current no all-star cast.. It's a travesty










SGA gets 30 ppg, but it's mostly unassisted buckets, aka he dominates the ball - so of course he plays within the offense because his ball-domination IS the offense, which makes it harder to win against top teams in the playoffs.

It's also weird for a point guard that has the ball as much as him to only average 6 APG... This makes me think that he gets assists after penetrating and trying to score himself first - then he passes if he's too covered to score.. It's kind of a rudimentary style that lost in the NBA Cup and also lost last year to a more experienced ball-dominator (Luka)..

Teams don't adjust to ball-domination in the regular season because there's no 2nd game right away against the same opponent, so many guys win 60+ by dominating the ball... But in the playoffs, Game 2 usually looks a lot different from Game 1, and ball-domination is something that gets adjusted to as the series progresses.

I think that SGA will need Jalen Williams to become a superstar (literally one of the best players in the league) for him to win








Tatum achieved a "dominant champion" with barely 40% assisted rate because he was facing a bunch of ball-dominators - you don't need a big assisted rate to have better ball movement than someone like Luka...

That's the state of today's game (ball-domination), so assisted rates are lower, but you can still sort by assisted rate - Tatum, Donovan Mitchell, or Jokic will win the title this year, while SGA has no chance, just like I said.






So chalk this up as another correct prediction by 3ba11, which continues to prove his doctrine correct.

But the prediction is based on history - history shows that ball-dominators need multiple franchise players on 1 team to win (super-teams)... So SGA and Luka cannot win unless Reaves or Williams play like franchise players (completely dominate)... And regardless if OKC and LAL prove to be super-teams that allow their ball-dominant leaders to win, history shows that ball-dominators like SGA or Luka never produce great teams, such as dynasties (3 in 5), or dominant champions/dominant title runs (4 losses or less).

There's a reason why Redick reads this thread and therefore understands the "attrition battle", as he articulates here with the same verbage used itt many times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THNY23890vU&t=52s

[3ba11]

there are so many more great prediction threads by me than bad predictions