Kylie Irving

[Druckenmiller]

Fun FACT of the Day.

You have as many MVP votes as Kylie Irving has in his NBA career.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Not an Irving at all but so? I don't think anyone has ever seriously thought of him as an MVP or even potential MVP.

[ArbitraryWater]

ok?

[WhiteKyrie]

Kyrie putting up 27/5/5. He had a bad shooting game, big deal. I’d gladly have Chicago trade Lonzo Ball for him.

[ImKobe]

The media would never vote for Irving, even if KD got injured tomorrow & Kyrie carried them to a top 3 seed. Irving was by far the best player on the '18 Celtics and played enough games that RS with great all-around numbers both raw & advanced and the Celtics were worse with him out in the RS and he still got no votes. They've always been against him.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The media would never vote for Irving, even if KD got injured tomorrow & Kyrie carried them to a top 3 seed. Irving was by far the best player on the '18 Celtics and played enough games that RS with great all-around numbers both raw & advanced and the Celtics were worse with him out in the RS and he still got no votes. They've always been against him.

Gee you seem to have forgotten that he missed 22 games

[WhiteKyrie]

The media would never vote for Irving, even if KD got injured tomorrow & Kyrie carried them to a top 3 seed. Irving was by far the best player on the '18 Celtics and played enough games that RS with great all-around numbers both raw & advanced and the Celtics were worse with him out in the RS and he still got no votes. They've always been against him.
Bingo.

[RRR3]

Kyrie putting up 27/5/5. He had a bad shooting game, big deal. I’d gladly have Chicago trade Lonzo Ball for him.
Chicago wouldn’t do that. His value is next to nothing and for good reason. He plays like 25 games a year and is the most toxic locker room presence in the league by a country mile.

[ShawkFactory]

The media would never vote for Irving, even if KD got injured tomorrow & Kyrie carried them to a top 3 seed. Irving was by far the best player on the '18 Celtics and played enough games that RS with great all-around numbers both raw & advanced and the Celtics were worse with him out in the RS and he still got no votes. They've always been against him.

If KD got injured tomorrow and Kyrie played pretty much every game the rest of the season and led them to a top 3 record then yes, he would get votes. That would never happen though because his overall impact as a player isn't MVP level. And there's nothing wrong with that. I can count on 2 hands the number of guys that are.

[Manny98]

The media would never vote for Irving, even if KD got injured tomorrow & Kyrie carried them to a top 3 seed. Irving was by far the best player on the '18 Celtics and played enough games that RS with great all-around numbers both raw & advanced and the Celtics were worse with him out in the RS and he still got no votes. They've always been against him.
This, same reason he wasn't put on the NBA top 75 despite being better than almost half the list

Kyrie is the most hated player of all time by the media

[noonereal]

The media would never vote for Irving, even if KD got injured tomorrow & Kyrie carried them to a top 3 seed. Irving was by far the best player on the '18 Celtics and played enough games that RS with great all-around numbers both raw & advanced and the Celtics were worse with him out in the RS and he still got no votes. They've always been against him.

He is a victim is he? lol

The kid is a dumb arrogant ass who destroys teams through his self indulgences.

[RRR3]

This, same reason he wasn't put on the NBA top 75 despite being better than almost half the list

Kyrie is the most hated player of all time by the media
Cryknee top 75 :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Knicks fans, rejoice that KD and Kyrie passed on the Knicks. Would much rather see Randle's bum ass dribble into triple teams and turn the ball over than deal with those egos.

[Manny98]

Cryknee top 75 :roll:
Easily top 75, arguably top 50 :facepalm

[RRR3]

Easily top 75, arguably top 50 :facepalm
Meth

[TheGoatest]

Easily top 75, arguably top 50 :facepalm

:roll:

1 All-NBA 2nd team and 2 All-NBA 3rd teams are his highlights.. Along with a huge chunk of evidence that he's made every team where he's been #1 worse with him than without him. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

Gee you seem to have forgotten that he missed 22 games

He still played 60, which should be enough to get at least some recognition, considering no one else on the team was even close to his production that year.

[ImKobe]

He is a victim is he? lol

The kid is a dumb arrogant ass who destroys teams through his self indulgences.

He's not a victim but the media would never vote for him. They've never liked him.

[Smook A.]

Easily top 75, arguably top 50 :facepalm

Not even

[Real Men Wear Green]

He still played 60, which should be enough to get at least some recognition, considering no one else on the team was even close to his production that year.
How many MVP winners have missed a quarter of the season? Asking for a friend.

Missed 22 games, averaged 24 and 5. Missed the end of the season (and incidentally rge postseason) I honestly can't think of an MVP winner with a worse season. But you somehow think his year was as good as James Harden.

You can stop now.

[SouBeachTalents]

Easily top 75, arguably top 50 :facepalm
Guys like Dwight, McGrady, Pierce & Allen aren’t even in several top 50’s, Kyrie? FOH :lol

[tontoz]

In a contract year it didn't take him long to be involved in major controversy. It's always something with him.

I am definitely curious what kind of contract offers he gets in the summer.

[Manny98]

:roll:

1 All-NBA 2nd team and 2 All-NBA 3rd teams are his highlights.. Along with a huge chunk of evidence that he's made every team where he's been #1 worse with him than without him. :oldlol:
Outplayed prime Curry two years in a row in the finals

Hit arguably the greatest shot in NBA history

Is regarded as arguably the most skilled player of all time

One of the only players outside KD,Curry and Bird to average 25ppg off 50/40/90 efficiency

[Manny98]

Guys like Dwight, McGrady, Pierce & Allen aren’t even in several top 50’s, Kyrie? FOH :lol

And Kyrie is better than all of those guys

[SouBeachTalents]

In a contract year it didn't take him long to be involved in major controversy. It's always something with him.

I am definitely curious what kind of contract offers he gets in the summer.
He’s statistically had a very good season so far, but I don’t know how any franchise would want to sign this guy with the immense baggage and drama that he brings. He’s legitimately torpedoed the Nets the last 2 years with his never ending bullshit. Imo he’s not even close to worth the headache that he brings to your franchise.

[WhiteKyrie]

He’s statistically had a very good season so far, but I don’t know how any franchise would want to sign this guy with the immense baggage and drama that he brings. He’s legitimately torpedoed the Nets the last 2 years with his never ending bullshit. Imo he’s not even close to worth the headache that he brings to your franchise.
He did not torpedo the nets last year, it is right as a human being not to get a vaccine, that isn’t even a vaccine. Local state government and the league had issue with that. That’s not Kyrie’s fault. And what is he done this year? He can post what he wants on his social media, he shouldn’t even be having to answer questions about it, after basketball games. This is the kind of stupidity and hot water people get into with social media. They should just have a management team running their pages. Katie Durant has brought drama to his teams with social media. He’s a malcontent wherever he goes. And LeBron does the same thing with the passive aggressive nonsense, and attention whoring. KD is the best player, should also put his foot down and be a leader, but he can’t do that, because he’s not built that way. He’s just a very very talented basketball player. Charles Barkley was absolutely right about him. He’s not a bus driver, he’s a passenger.

[tontoz]

How many MVP winners have missed a quarter of the season? Asking for a friend.

Missed 22 games, averaged 24 and 5. Missed the end of the season (and incidentally rge postseason) I honestly can't think of an MVP winner with a worse season. But you somehow think his year was as good as James Harden.

You can stop now.

I actually looked that up once. I don't remember exactly but I don't think any MVP since roughly 2000 missed more than a dozen games.

[tontoz]

And Kyrie is better than all of those guys

:roll:

Howard made 1st team All NBA 5 times.

[ShawkFactory]

And Kyrie is better than all of those guys

:oldlol:

Fvck off.

[tontoz]

"I talked to a lot of people around the league over the weekend and the sense I get right now is he's radioactive," said Zach Lowe on his podcast with Nick Friedell. "Even if you drop the price to nothing, the baggage is just too much.



Zach's podcast is really good BTW.

[RRR3]

Kyrie better than T-Mac and Dwight lmfaoooo

[ImKobe]

How many MVP winners have missed a quarter of the season? Asking for a friend.

Missed 22 games, averaged 24 and 5. Missed the end of the season (and incidentally rge postseason) I honestly can't think of an MVP winner with a worse season. But you somehow think his year was as good as James Harden.

You can stop now.

I'm not saying MVP winners. He never even got a top 5 MVP vote despite being by far the best player on the Celtics. Even Westbrick got votes in 2018 & 2019. Even Bran got a vote despite his injury & missing the POs in 2019 & 2022. There's a clear bias when it comes to the media.


Kyrie better than T-Mac and Dwight lmfaoooo

Career-wise he clearly is better than T-Mac.

[WhiteKyrie]

He’s averaging 27/5/5 on 45% and that’s with a couple two or three really putrid shooting performances bringing his efficiency averages down.

Considering he hasn’t played a normal nba schedule at a high volume in quite sometime, that’s pretty impressive.

His defensive intensity has stepped up too noticeably.

Just as a a comparison, Kobe was probably the second best player in the NBA in 2012 - 2013 at 34. At worst 3rd. His last great season as a true mega star HOF that he once was. His averages? 27/6/6 on 46%. Let that marinate for a bit.

Still a young season, but Kyrie has been by no means bad. In fact he’s been very, very good.

And he hasn’t been the cancer that the media want you to believe, because he had the freedom to post a picture of a movie he watched, and then the media want to attack and act like he was Adolf Irving condemning Jewish people and saying he hated them.

It’s fake news.

[tontoz]

I'm not saying MVP winners. He never even got a top 5 MVP vote despite being by far the best player on the Celtics. Even Westbrick got votes in 2018 & 2019. Even Bran got a vote despite his injury & missing the POs in 2019 & 2022. There's a clear bias when it comes to the media.



Career-wise he clearly is better than T-Mac.


TMac was All NBA 7 times (two 1st teams) and has two scoring titles. Kyrie can't touch that.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm not saying MVP winners. He never even got a top 5 MVP vote despite being by far the best player on the Celtics. Even Westbrick got votes in 2018 & 2019. Even Bran got a vote despite his injury & missing the POs in 2019 & 2022. There's a clear bias when it comes to the media.



Career-wise he clearly is better than T-Mac.

He didn't merit top 5. He had the stats of an allstar, maybe 3rd team AllNBA and missed a quarter of the season. Since when does a guy misses the last part of the season, over 20 games in total, and be an MVP candidate? Point out the guy in the top 5 that was less valuable than 24/5 for 60 games. That's not mvp numbers.

[WhiteKyrie]

TMac was All NBA 7 times (two 1st teams) and has two scoring titles. Kyrie can't touch that.

For sure. I love Kyrie, but Mac and Dwight (I hate him) were definitely better and greater all time. Not even a debate. And if Mac had stayed healthy this would be laughable. He was the only one on an individual level challenging Kobe perimeter wise as best player before LeBron and Wade came along.

[ImKobe]

He didn't merit top 5. He had the stats of an allstar, maybe 3rd team AllNBA and missed a quarter of the season. Since when does a guy misses the last part of the season, over 20 games in total, and be an MVP candidate? Point out the guy in the top 5 that was less valuable than 24/5 for 60 games. That's not mvp numbers.

I'm not saying a legit MVP candidate, just that he didn't even get a top 5 vote. I'm pretty sure that's what OP's saying. It's not rare that a top-level player misses 15-20 games in today's era. Kawhi got top 5 MVP votes in 2019 when he missed 22 games and they were much better without him in those games (17 - 5). Kyrie clearly did enough to get at least one top 5 MVP vote. There's a clear bias when it comes to MVP voting and I'm not sure why you would try to argue against that.

[ShawkFactory]

Career-wise he clearly is better than T-Mac.

No, he isn’t.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm not saying a legit MVP candidate, just that he didn't even get a top 5 vote. I'm pretty sure that's what OP's saying. It's not rare that a top-level player misses 15-20 games in today's era. Kawhi got top 5 MVP votes in 2019 when he missed 22 games and they were much better without him in those games (17 - 5). Kyrie clearly did enough to get at least one top 5 MVP vote. There's a clear bias when it comes to MVP voting and I'm not sure why you would try to argue against that.

Kawhi Leonard was one of the best players in the league on both ends of the floor and his team was the best in the East. He didn't end the season on injured reserve. No comparing them.

[ImKobe]

Kawhi Leonard was one of the best players in the league on both ends of the floor and his team was the best in the East. He didn't end the season on injured reserve. No comparing them.

He joined a team that was the #1 seed the year before trade and they won at a higher pace without him, yet Irving deserves no credit.. weird.

Kawhi 2019: 25.8 PER .224 WS/48 7.2 BPM 4.7 VORP
Irving 2018: 25.0 PER .222 WS/48 7.3 BPM 4.5 VORP

Celtics won at a worse rate without Kyrie

So why does Kawhi get top 5 votes but not Kyrie? It's a RS award and not based on the POs. Kawhi sabotaged the Spurs and missed the same amount of games in Toronto the following season and they did better without him than the C's did without Kyrie in 2018. It's almost as if there's a bias when it comes to MVP voting. I guess Bran deserved his top 5 votes in 2019, 2021 and 2022...

[SATAN]

He joined a team that was the #1 seed the year before trade and they won at a higher pace without him, yet Irving deserves no credit.. weird.

Kawhi 2019: 25.8 PER .224 WS/48 7.2 BPM 4.7 VORP
Irving 2018: 25.0 PER .222 WS/48 7.3 BPM 4.5 VORP

Celtics won at a worse rate without Kyrie

So why does Kawhi get top 5 votes but not Kyrie? It's a RS award and not based on the POs. Kawhi sabotaged the Spurs and missed the same amount of games in Toronto the following season and they did better without him than the C's did without Kyrie in 2018. It's almost as if there's a bias when it comes to MVP voting. I guess Bran deserved his top 5 votes in 2019, 2021 and 2022...

:facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

He joined a team that was the #1 seed the year before trade and they won at a higher pace without him, yet Irving deserves no credit.. weird.

Kawhi 2019: 25.8 PER .224 WS/48 7.2 BPM 4.7 VORP
Irving 2018: 25.0 PER .222 WS/48 7.3 BPM 4.5 VORP

Celtics won at a worse rate without Kyrie

So why does Kawhi get top 5 votes but not Kyrie? It's a RS award and not based on the POs. Kawhi sabotaged the Spurs and missed the same amount of games in Toronto the following season and they did better without him than the C's did without Kyrie in 2018. It's almost as if there's a bias when it comes to MVP voting. I guess Bran deserved his top 5 votes in 2019, 2021 and 2022...

You can't be serious, Kyrie was never on prime Kawhi's level as a player.

[ImKobe]

You can't be serious, Kyrie was never on prime Kawhi's level as a player.

I laid out the case for Kyrie to get at least ONE top 5 MVP vote, not that he's on peak Kawhi levels. You idiots really lack comprehension on this board and idk why I even bother coming here during the season anymore, it's like I'm arguing with 1st graders.

[SATAN]

idk why I even bother coming here during the season anymore

Don't.

[ImKobe]

Don't.

I really shouldn't. Clearly this board is only for pushing the Bran agenda so have at it.

[SATAN]

I really shouldn't. Clearly this board is only for pushing the Bran agenda so have at it.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AntiqueKaleidoscopicHerculesbeetle-size_restricted.gif

[1987_Lakers]

I laid out the case for Kyrie to get at least ONE top 5 MVP vote, not that he's on peak Kawhi levels. You idiots really lack comprehension on this board and idk why I even bother coming here during the season anymore, it's like I'm arguing with 1st graders.

Sorry, an empty stats player like Kyrie doesn't deserve any MVP vote.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He joined a team that was the #1 seed the year before trade and they won at a higher pace without him, yet Irving deserves no credit.. weird.

Kawhi 2019: 25.8 PER .224 WS/48 7.2 BPM 4.7 VORP
Irving 2018: 25.0 PER .222 WS/48 7.3 BPM 4.5 VORP

Celtics won at a worse rate without Kyrie

So why does Kawhi get top 5 votes but not Kyrie? It's a RS award and not based on the POs. Kawhi sabotaged the Spurs and missed the same amount of games in Toronto the following season and they did better without him than the C's did without Kyrie in 2018. It's almost as if there's a bias when it comes to MVP voting. I guess Bran deserved his top 5 votes in 2019, 2021 and 2022...

What was the Celtics record the year before they got Irving? Same crap with you applying that logic to Leonard's but ignoring it with Irving. Fact of the Matthey is that Irving made no difference for the Celtics whatsoever and they ended up going to the conference finals with our him. No Irving is not on par with Leonard. Defense is half the game. Irving gets no mvp votes because he's nowhere near worthy never was and never will be. The end

[ImKobe]

Sorry, an empty stats player like Kyrie doesn't deserve any MVP vote.

It's empty stats but Bran deserved the 2019, 2021 & 2022 MVP votes, right?

[ImKobe]

What was the Celtics record the year before they got Irving? Same crap with you applying that logic to Leonard's but ignoring it with Irving. Fact of the Matthey is that Irving made no difference for the Celtics whatsoever and they ended up going to the conference finals with our him. No Irving is not on par with Leonard. Defense is half the game. Irving gets no mvp votes because he's nowhere near worthy never was and never will be. The end

Worse than with him, which is the opposite with Kawhi (despite the Celtics drafting Tatum & the Raptors replacing Derozan with Kawhi). lol.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Worse than with him, which is the opposite with Kawhi (despite the Celtics drafting Tatum & the Raptors replacing Derozan with Kawhi). lol.

A few percentage points in the regular season. Then went to the conference finals without him. Irving comes back and they go out in the second round. Leaves and the Cs are back in the conference finals again. He's not going to get his jersey retired.

[1987_Lakers]

It's empty stats but Bran deserved the 2019, 2021 & 2022 MVP votes, right?

He only recieved one vote in those years and it wasn't even a first place vote. He would have received more votes in 2021 if he didn't get injured, believe he was one of the favorites to win it early in the season.

Nonetheless, you are so triggered by LeBron it's not even funny. I simply said it's retarded to have Kyrie & Kawhi on the same level, but in your mind it's still all about LeBron. Seek help.

[1987_Lakers]

A few percentage points in the regular season. Then went to the conference finals without him. Irving comes back and they go out in the second round. Leaves and the Cs are back in the conference finals again. He's not going to get his jersey retired.

Empty stats.

[ImKobe]

A few percentage points in the regular season. Then went to the conference finals without him. Irving comes back and they go out in the second round. Leaves and the Cs are back in the conference finals again. He's not going to get his jersey retired.

I missed the part where the POs had anything to do with the RS. Again, I'm talking about a singular top 5 MVP vote for the best player on a 55-win team who led his team in most metrics (scoring, all the major advanced stats). Apparently that's too much to ask because we have to throw in our personal biases when it comes to Kyrie and not what he did in that RS in particular. It was worthy of at least one top 5 MVP vote. Derozan got 32 pts that same year and he was far worse per most metrics and wasn't even the best player on his own team that season.

Why is it so hard to admit that the MVP voting is not 100% accurate? Much worse/less deserving players have got top 5 MVP votes, that's all I was arguing. Media hates Kyrie and he's never going to get any votes, no matter what he does in the RS.

[ImKobe]

He only recieved one vote in those years and it wasn't even a first place vote. He would have received more votes in 2021 if he didn't get injured, believe he was one of the favorites to win it early in the season.

Nonetheless, you are so triggered by LeBron it's not even funny. I simply said it's retarded to have Kyrie & Kawhi on the same level, but in your mind it's still all about LeBron. Seek help.

I'm saying Kyrie didn't even get a single top 5 MVP vote because of the bias against him and the bias in general when it comes to MVP voting, which is clearly flawed as there's no clear metric for those votes. OP is using that same shit to dump on Kyrie when the media would never give him any credit for his play, they're only focused on the off-court shenanigans and only talk about his on-court play when he does poorly.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I'm saying Kyrie didn't even get a single top 5 MVP vote because of the bias against him and the bias in general when it comes to MVP voting, which is clearly flawed as there's no clear metric for those votes. OP is using that same shit to dump on Kyrie when the media would never give him any credit for his play, they're only focused on the off-court shenanigans and only talk about his on-court play when he does poorly.

Your opinion is retarded and delusional.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I missed the part where the POs had anything to do with the RS. Again, I'm talking about a singular top 5 MVP vote for the best player on a 55-win team who led his team in most metrics (scoring, all the major advanced stats). Apparently that's too much to ask because we have to throw in our personal biases when it comes to Kyrie and not what he did in that RS in particular. It was worthy of at least one top 5 MVP vote. Derozan got 32 pts that same year and he was far worse per most metrics and wasn't even the best player on his own team that season.

Why is it so hard to admit that the MVP voting is not 100% accurate? Much worse/less deserving players have got top 5 MVP votes, that's all I was arguing. Media hates Kyrie and he's never going to get any votes, no matter what he does in the RS.
He wasn't a top 5 player. Why should he get a top 5 vote? Serious mvp candidates don't miss 20 games and he's not a guy like Shaq putting up monster numbers when he's out there. He's not THAT guy. Deal with it.

[ImKobe]

He wasn't a top 5 player. Why should he get a top 5 vote? Serious mvp candidates don't miss 20 games and he's not a guy like Shaq putting up monster numbers when he's out there. He's not THAT guy. Deal with it.

Because MVP is not about who's the top 5 player overall but who has the best season overall and the impact in respect to their team? Are you saying players who had worse numbers or missed a similar number or even more games have not got top 5 MVP votes? Curry got MVP and more All-NBA votes despite missing 31 games and his numbers weren't that much better either.



Can you just admit there's a bias when it comes to media voting?

[WhiteKyrie]

A few percentage points in the regular season. Then went to the conference finals without him. Irving comes back and they go out in the second round. Leaves and the Cs are back in the conference finals again. He's not going to get his jersey retired.

Really weak conference, with Kyrie, Cavs don’t get to the Finals. And the Celtics with Kyrie matchup better with Golden State.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Because MVP is not about who's the top 5 player overall but who has the best season overall and the impact in respect to their team? Are you saying players who had worse numbers or missed a similar number or even more games have not got top 5 MVP votes? Curry got MVP and more All-NBA votes despite missing 31 games and his numbers weren't that much better either.



Can you just admit there's a bias when it comes to media voting?

If you are looking to me for validation you are even more hopeless than I thought. How does an allstar caliber guy have a top 5 season when he's absent for a quarter of it? Curry is an all time great. Irving is nowhere near his status. You have a bias against rational thought. The end.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Really weak conference, with Kyrie, Cavs don’t get to the Finals. And the Celtics with Kyrie matchup better with Golden State.

In that same weak conference the Celtics lose in the second round with Irving. Irving might have helped them make the Finals the year before but nothing he's done since he left Cleveland has shown him to be of major impact. I do think he's got the potential to be great offensively but he's done very little in the playoff since he left the Cavs and during his time with the Celtics the winning percentage was the same with him as without him.

[ImKobe]

If you are looking to me for validation you are even more hopeless than I thought. How does an allstar caliber guy have a top 5 season when he's absent for a quarter of it? Curry is an all time great. Irving is nowhere near his status. You have a bias against rational thought. The end.

Again, what's a top 5 season? We're talking about MVP votes here. Winning the MVP doesn't mean you're the best player either. It's about impact and giving credit to the best players on the best teams. Irving's Celtics won 55 games in a season where only 6 teams had 50+ wins overall and they were better with him than the year before despite adding Tatum and replacing IT with him (another player who got MVP votes and clearly wasn't a top 5 player the year before). His numbers and their record with him warranted at least ONE top 5 MVP vote, which is given to much worse players in damn near every season.

Curry being ATG has nothing to do with that respective season, but I guess you're proving my point. You can't be objective because that would require you giving Irving SOME credit, and you clearly can't as you're heavily biased against him. I thought you could at least admit there's some bias when it comes to media voting but you're just going to avoid that point so there's no need to keep going with this thread. Kyrie can't miss 22 games because that's too much but because Curry is ATG he can miss damn near half of it. Bran can miss more games and miss the POs and all his MVP votes are legit. Lol.

[Real Men Wear Green]

There were 5 guys on the AllNBA first team. That's not even a list of the top 5 best players but which of them was less valuable than 60 games of Irving?

[ImKobe]

There were 5 guys on the AllNBA first team. That's not even a list of the top 5 best players but which of them was less valuable than 60 games of Irving?

It's based on positions so that's not completely fair either. But hey, Derozan made 2nd team and put up worse numbers as the 2nd best player on the cRaptors while Irving didn't even make All-NBA despite being top 5 in BPM and top 10 in most other advanced metrics..

[Real Men Wear Green]

So... he definitely wasn't top 5. The end.

[RRR3]

Again, what's a top 5 season? We're talking about MVP votes here. Winning the MVP doesn't mean you're the best player either. It's about impact and giving credit to the best players on the best teams. Irving's Celtics won 55 games in a season where only 6 teams had 50+ wins overall and they were better with him than the year before despite adding Tatum and replacing IT with him (another player who got MVP votes and clearly wasn't a top 5 player the year before). His numbers and their record with him warranted at least ONE top 5 MVP vote, which is given to much worse players in damn near every season.

Curry being ATG has nothing to do with that respective season, but I guess you're proving my point. You can't be objective because that would require you giving Irving SOME credit, and you clearly can't as you're heavily biased against him. I thought you could at least admit there's some bias when it comes to media voting but you're just going to avoid that point so there's no need to keep going with this thread. Kyrie can't miss 22 games because that's too much but because Curry is ATG he can miss damn near half of it. Bran can miss more games and miss the POs and all his MVP votes are legit. Lol.
Almost like LeBron James is better than Kyrie Irving at basketball or something.

[ImKobe]

Again, the point is that there's clearly a bias when it comes to media awards/media voting and it has nothing to do with who's actually the best or who actually deserves to get the awards & the votes. OP is shitting on Kyrie by using media votes as a metric and that's simply not a smart way to go about it. Keep defending this horrible take by OP though.

[RRR3]

Kyrie isn’t an MVP level player. His teams consistently do the same or better without him. This is just reality.

[MadDogg]

Kudos to LeBron for putting up with this malcontent. For all the skill Kyrie has, its almost negated by delusions and self inflated ego. Probably the most overrated "star" rn.

[FultzNationRISE]

Kudos to LeBron for putting up with this malcontent. For all the skill Kyrie has, its almost negated by delusions and self inflated ego. Probably the most overrated "star" rn.

And defense.

[MadDogg]

And defense.

True to some degree. But there've been plenty of stars who were traffic cones defensively. And still had more impact than Kyrie.

[Manny98]

Kyrie isn’t an MVP level player. His teams consistently do the same or better without him. This is just reality.
He outplayed a MVP level player back to back on the biggest stage

[noonereal]

Again, the point is that there's clearly a bias when it comes to media awards/media voting and it has nothing to do with who's actually the best or who actually deserves to get the awards & the votes. OP is shitting on Kyrie by using media votes as a metric and that's simply not a smart way to go about it. Keep defending this horrible take by OP though.

You don't understand. It is not media bias at all. It is media understanding the short comings of his game. Yes the talent is there, above the shoulders, not so much.

[noonereal]

He outplayed a MVP level player back to back on the biggest stage

and how about all the games he lost for his team with his antics and nonsense?

[Manny98]

and how about all the games he lost for his team with his antics and nonsense?
Kyrie's only flaw is how injury prone he is

He's a top 50 talent to ever play and would have 4 rings by now if he could stay healthy

[RRR3]

He outplayed a MVP level player back to back on the biggest stage
Back to back? :lol

Also compare how they were guarded.

[Manny98]

Back to back? :lol

Also compare how they were guarded.
2016 finals

Kyrie 27/4/4 - GOAT performance from a sidekick
Curry 23/5/4

2017 finals

Kyrie - 29/5/4
Curry - 27/8/9

So Kyrie played at a MVP level in back to back finals, wow

[RRR3]

2016 finals

Kyrie 27/4/4 - GOAT performance from a sidekick
Curry 23/5/4

2017 finals

Kyrie - 29/5/4
Curry - 27/8/9

So Kyrie played at a MVP level in back to back finals, wow
LeBron elevating players as usual :applause:

[warriorfan]

kyrie is an amazing player. anyone who hates on him doesn’t like basketball

[WhiteKyrie]

2016 finals

Kyrie 27/4/4 - GOAT performance from a sidekick
Curry 23/5/4

2017 finals

Kyrie - 29/5/4
Curry - 27/8/9

So Kyrie played at a MVP level in back to back finals, wow
Kyrie out played the shit out of Curry in game 1 of 2015 Finals before he got hurt too.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kyrie out played the shit out of Curry in game 1 of 2015 Finals before he got hurt too.
He didn't at all :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Literally the only people defending Kyrie at this point are rabid LeBron haters. He's a joke to any serious fan.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Minimum 5 game suspension. Looks like the Nets are Irving haters.

[Meticode]

Think Durant will double back again on what the snake did?

Said he would never do the superteam stuff like LeBron. Did it with Golden State.

Wanted a trade out of Brooklyn. Negged on that and stayed.

Wonder if he will neg on that and want a trade again? LOL

[Meticode]

I'm guessing the meeting with Kyrie didn't go so well with Silver. LOL

[PeroAntic]

kyrie is an amazing player. anyone who hates on him doesn’t like basketball

Yeah, but other than basketball hes an absolute moron of a human being. And hes an even bigger moron for thinking that he isnt a moron because hes an amazing player.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The meeting didn't happen yet. Most likely the Nets knowing how stubborn he is from the vaccination controversy are getting ahead of Silver's impending action. I didn't think he was going to get punished at first but thinking about it the NBA has forced out owners over offensive behavior. Comparatively coming down hard on Irving will be nothing to them. The only person that matters that may be upset is KD.
Think Durant will double back again on what the snake did?

Said he would never do the superteam stuff like LeBron. Did it with Golden State.

Wanted a trade out of Brooklyn. Negged on that and stayed.

Wonder if he will neg on that and want a trade again? LOL
He would have to be willing to sit out games. I am not saying he won't go that far but he has yet to do anything that extreme.

[noonereal]

The meeting didn't happen yet. Most likely the Nets knowing how stubborn he is from the vaccination controversy are getting ahead of Silver's impending action. I didn't think he was going to get punished at first but thinking about it the NBA has forced out owners over offensive behavior.
Compositor coming down hard on Irving will be nothing to them. The only person that matters that may be upset is KF.
He would have to be willing to sit out games. I am not saying he won't go that far but he has yet to do anything that extreme.

The nets suspended him for "at least" five games. What does "at least " mean?

Kyrie has destroyed the Nets. Totally destroyed them.
He has hit his pocket book big time too.
This is his contract year. No one is going to pay him as much as his talent would suggest because of the problems he causes.

[Phoenix]

The nets suspended him for "at least" five games. What does "at least " mean?

Kyrie has destroyed the Nets. Totally destroyed them.
He has hit his pocket book big time too.
This is his contract year. No one is going to pay him as much as his talent would suggest because of the problems he causes.

I don't see him playing beyond this year. He's too disruptive and mercurial. What GM is going to fork out 40m a year for 4 more years?

[Real Men Wear Green]

The nets suspended him for "at least" five games. What does "at least " mean?

Kyrie has destroyed the Nets. Totally destroyed them.
He has hit his pocket book big time too.
This is his contract year. No one is going to pay him as much as his talent would suggest because of the problems he causes.

We can only guess but I bet they are trying to force a stronger apology where he goes further in admitting fault and/or ignorance and also more strongly condemns the movie he promoted.

I honestly don't think he should give an insincere apology. What he thinks may be wrong and stupid and bigoted (I never watched the movie and never will so I'm not going to weigh in on strongly on that front though allegedly quoting Hitler is a bad sign). But I don't believe in shouting down an offensive opinion. The right way to deal with this if you are going to deal with it is to confront Irving with truthful information that refutes whatever he so wrongly believes in. Of course Irving is a truly hard-core jackass and as such has a hard time with the required level of humility. This attitude is the reason I feel pretty sure he is getting an indefinite suspension...

That and the fact that the team was sick of him years ago and hates him.


I can't imagine what it's like to give someone hundreds of millions of dollars and be repaid with nothing but disrespect and attitude.

So Ime... are you sure you want to deal with this?

[noonereal]

We can only guess but I bet they are trying to force a stronger apology where he goes further in admitting fault and/or ignorance and also more strongly condemns the movie he promoted.

I honestly don't think he should give an insincere apology. What he thinks may be wrong and stupid and bigoted (I never watched the movie and never will so I'm not going to weigh in on strongly on that front though allegedly quoting Hitler is a bad sign). But I don't believe in shouting down an offensive opinion. The right way to deal with this if you are going to deal with it is to confront Irving with truthful information that refutes whatever he so wrongly believes in. Of course Irving is a truly hard-core jackass and as such has a hard time with the required level of humility. This attitude is the reason I feel pretty sure he is getting an indefinite suspension...

That and the fact that the team was sick of him years ago and hates him.


I can't imagine what it's like to give someone hundreds of millions of dollars and be repaid with nothing but disrespect and attitude.

So Ime... are you sure you want to deal with this?

Has Kyrie played his last game in NBA? I think so.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Has Kyrie played his last game in NBA? I think so.

It wouldn't shock me at this point as this continues to escalate but if he swallow some pride then no. But after the vaccine controversy I concede that Irving is willing to lose his career over a stance.

[ImKobe]

Kyrie isn’t an MVP level player. His teams consistently do the same or better without him. This is just reality.

Yeah so you and other Bronies have never made excuses for Bran's 2015 Finals loss & said that they could have won it with Irving? He didn't play a massive part in a historic Finals comeback to win a championship? He's done more than a lot of great players who have received more MVP and All-NBA votes.

[RRR3]

Yeah so you and other Bronies have never made excuses for Bran's 2015 Finals loss & said that they could have won it with Irving? He didn't play a massive part in a historic Finals comeback to win a championship? He's done more than a lot of great players who have received more MVP and All-NBA votes.
Saying LeBron would have had a better chance with Kyrie as his second option as opposed to Timofey Mozgov is hardly saying Kyrie is an MVP level player. Unless you think being better than Mozgov is impressive. No one said Kyrie wasn’t a good player either. Difference between that and MVP level.

[WhiteKyrie]

Yeah so you and other Bronies have never made excuses for Bran's 2015 Finals loss & said that they could have won it with Irving? He didn't play a massive part in a historic Finals comeback to win a championship? He's done more than a lot of great players who have received more MVP and All-NBA votes.
Good point. That catch 22 with Bronies

[ImKobe]

Saying LeBron would have had a better chance with Kyrie as his second option as opposed to Timofey Mozgov is hardly saying Kyrie is an MVP level player. Unless you think being better than Mozgov is impressive. No one said Kyrie wasn’t a good player either. Difference between that and MVP level.

But I never said that he should have won MVP or got 1st place MVP votes. That's not the argument. A top 5 MVP vote doesn't mean that you actually deserve the award. LMA, Butler & DeRozan got top 5 votes that same year. Butler played less games, put up worse numbers & won less games, yet he made All-NBA and received MVP votes. You have no counters for those points, other than "lol Irving bad".

[RRR3]

But I never said that he should have won MVP or got 1st place MVP votes. That's not the argument. A top 5 MVP vote doesn't mean that you actually deserve the award. LMA, Butler & DeRozan got top 5 votes that same year. Butler played less games, put up worse numbers & won less games, yet he made All-NBA and received MVP votes. You have no counters for those points, other than "lol Irving bad".
Butler is obviously better than his stats that’s a poor example to use. You would have been better off with LMA or DeRozan.

[AirBonner]

I feel like Duke university has failed Kyrie.

[ImKobe]

Butler is obviously better than his stats that’s a poor example to use. You would have been better off with LMA or DeRozan.


Wolves' D sucked (27th) and he had another All-NBA teammate. Celtics had 0. Idk, it's just weird that a fringe PO team like the Wolves have multiple All-NBA guys and that players with less games played than Irving make All-NBA all the time with similar or worse production & on worse teams. Maybe media voting isn't 100% accurate and we shouldn't base a player's value purely off the votes they get from the media? There's bad examples to be found from almost every season when it comes to MVP or All-NBA voting. Kyrie at his peak was a top 10 player in the league and the 2nd or 3rd best player in a weak EC.

[beau_boy04]

i understand freedom of speech and all but damnn guy has soo much talents and can't quit his mouth shut. total waste. just focus playing basketball and winning games and as many chips as you can. the rest will take care of itself.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Irving sits Nets win by 42.

[insight]

Kyrie speaking out! Dude refuses to be silenced. Got to respect him for that but focus on doing your basketball job.


https://youtu.be/bra_wJHsAmY

[FultzNationRISE]

Kyrie speaking out! Dude refuses to be silenced. Got to respect him for that but focus on doing your basketball job.


https://youtu.be/bra_wJHsAmY


Lebron James won a title with this person.

Let. That sink. IN.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kyrie speaking out! Dude refuses to be silenced. Got to respect him for that but focus on doing your basketball job.


https://youtu.be/bra_wJHsAmY
I ain't watching that shit for 30 minutes :lol Can anyone post a brief summary of what he said?

[kawhileonard2]

I ain't watching that shit for 30 minutes :lol Can anyone post a brief summary of what he said?

:oldlol:

[KNOW1EDGE]

How dare Kyrie post a video that is oin Amazon and has been played at the cinema Shaq owns.

How dare he not apologize for hurting peoples feelings.

He should be hung in town square

[SATAN]

I ain't watching that shit for 30 minutes :lol Can anyone post a brief summary of what he said?

Millennials should force change for good and assume individual power (I can't word it properly). Be decent and honest. Don't be ignorant to those you disagree with etc. Some stuff about race and the nature of racism. How false and controlled society seems to be for what should be obvious reasons.

I see nothing wrong with what he said yet at the same time I caught myself thinking "Only a year ago this dude claimed the Earth is flat".

[SATAN]

Oh and he alluded to changing his name or something at the end.

[SATAN]

Apparently a movie theater owned by Shaq played this movie a few years ago. Shaq is such a hypocrite.

[Gohan]

Theyve all sold their souls seriously. Kyrie do your thang boi i stand by you all jokes aside

[Manny98]

Glad to see people waking up and seeing that Kyrie did nothing wrong and is being used as an example by the mainstream media and the higher ups to never question authority

[warriorfan]

Apparently a movie theater owned by Shaq played this movie a few years ago. Shaq is such a hypocrite.

or maybe he doesn’t want to be canceled? f.ucking low iq idiot :lol

[SATAN]

or maybe he doesn’t want to be canceled? f.ucking low iq idiot :lol

Why would he care about that? He's always been set in his ways with a no ****s given attitude.

He doesn't need the media. He's made enough money to last several life times worth of daily crack and Jim Beam binging.

Also, go to rehab.

[PeroAntic]

How dare Kyrie post a video that is oin Amazon and has been played at the cinema Shaq owns.

How dare he not apologize for hurting peoples feelings.

He should be hung in town square

Ah I see now, he did all this without any intention or opinion regarding the content of what hes posting/saying, he just wanted to show the injustice of cancel culture. Now I realize hes so knowledgeable that he was prescient about everything that was going to happen. He was just fighting for freedom of speech.

Kind of like 3ball when hes saying that all these years of deconstructing every stat about Lebron was actually about the rule of law, media fairness, institutions etc. geniuses everywhere