Donald Trump vs Ron DeSantis

[1987_Lakers]

Who would you vote for?

[RRR3]

Neither. DeSantis is worse tho

[JohnnySic]

Trump. DeSantis is young; he will have his day. We need Trump in a lame duck session so he can go scorched Earth. I mean, who wouldn't want to see that? :lol

[fantasy]

Trump gives Democrats better chances.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Is Desantis going to run for President?

I would 100% vote for him over any candidate.

[Axe]

Ye

[fantasy]

Is Desantis going to run for President?

I would 100% vote for him over any candidate.

Can he beat Trump in primaries?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Can he beat Trump in primaries?

How tf would I know? Lol I don’t even know if he’s planning on running.

I’m sure he hypothetically CAN, that doesn’t mean he will.

[fantasy]

How tf would I know? Lol I don’t even know if he’s planning on running.

I’m sure he hypothetically CAN, that doesn’t mean he will.

I like to see if Trump will endorse him, if he loses primaries to De Santis.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I like to see if Trump will endorse him, if he loses primaries to De Santis.

I assume Trump would end up endorsing him because I think he’d do anything to keep the Libs out of office.

[imdaman99]

DeSanshit is the worst if it aint Ted Cruz. Gimme Trump easily.

[KNOW1EDGE]

DeSanshit is the worst if it aint Ted Cruz. Gimme Trump easily.

Ted Cruz lol

[rawimpact]

Ah I voted before reading the OP,

Just for the record, I am going for DeSantis as the republican candidate but I think Trump will win.

[TheMan]

I assume Trump would end up endorsing him because I think he’d do anything to keep the Libs out of office.

:oldlol: If Trump loses to DeSantis, there is no way in hell Trump would fall in line and endorse the guy who beat him.

[Patrick Chewing]

DeSanshit is the worst if it aint Ted Cruz. Gimme Trump easily.

LOL what do you mean he's the worst?? That shit is so comical.

Do you not see how Florida is flourishing?? "The worst" :roll:

F*ck outta here

[BigKobeFan]

Stop trying to pit trump and de santis against each other demons. Its not going to work

[RogueBorg]

Do you not see how Florida is flourishing?? "The worst" :roll:F*ck outta hereThis is true, things are great down here. But we came that close to getting that hack Andrew Gillum.

[Off the Court]

Stop trying to pit trump and de santis against each other demons. Its not going to work

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OrderlyIdleGrouper-max-1mb.gif

Do you not understand how the election process works?

[BigKobeFan]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/OrderlyIdleGrouper-max-1mb.gif

Do you not understand how the election process works?

You are an idiot.

[Off the Court]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/002/180/323/852.png

BigKobe during the GOP Presidential Primaries: "What kind of demon magic is this!!!!!"

[Patrick Chewing]

Hey Max, answer my question you sniveling coward. Did Twitter ban Kathy Griffin when she posted that picture of a beheaded Trump??

[BigKobeFan]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/002/180/323/852.png

BigKobe during the GOP Presidential Primaries: "What kind of demon magic is this!!!!!"

You are so stupid....if trump runs, the playing field will be clear.

[diamenz]

ron 'desanctimonious'. :roll:

[KNOW1EDGE]

:oldlol: If Trump loses to DeSantis, there is no way in hell Trump would fall in line and endorse the guy who beat him.

You think he’d rather have the Libs take office?

-I don’t think so. I think he hates the Libs more than he hates Desantis/losing.

[Lakers Legend#32]

DeSantis could rip Trump to shreds, but there is nothing he could say that would get the MAGAS to reject their orange god.

[Axe]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/002/180/323/852.png

BigKobe during the GOP Presidential Primaries: "What kind of demon magic is this!!!!!"
:oldlol:

What a loser.

[TheMan]

You think he’d rather have the Libs take office?

-I don’t think so. I think he hates the Libs more than he hates Desantis/losing.

Yea because you're nuts if you believe Trump is a true conservative. He's your classic North East elitist, Manhattan blue blood. He only pretends to hate libs to keep his uneducated cracker base happy. That dude doesn't have an ounce of blue collar in him, it's all an act to keep his hillbillies in line. He has much more in common with the Bush family than some hick Alabama trucker...it's all an act, bro. I can't believe you guys can't see through his shtick. If DeSantis defeats him in the primaries, which I firmly believe he can, he will never admit he was beaten fair and square and he'll fracture the GOP unless they make him the candidate.

[Lebron23]

Donald Trump is a piece of $hit. I hope Ron Desantis defeats him in the GOP Primaries.

[Lebron23]

Desantis looks like Bradley Cooper

[Facepalm]

I like to see if Trump will endorse him, if he loses primaries to De Santis.


Trump would more likely take his ball and run as a 3rd party candidate than endorse DeSantis. That crybabies' ego would never let him bend the knee to someone he thinks he created. Remember, DeSantis was losing the governor's race before Trump endorsed him. He thinks Ron owes him his entire political career.


“He was not going to be able to even be a factor in the race,” Trump said, referring to the GOP gubernatorial primary. “And as soon as I endorsed him, within moments, the race was over,” Trump said. “I got him the nomination. He didn’t get it. I got it, because the minute I made that endorsement, he got it.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/08/us/politics/trump-desantis-2024.html

https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/trump-midterms-interview/

[Facepalm]

You think he’d rather have the Libs take office?

-I don’t think so. I think he hates the Libs more than he hates Desantis/losing.

You really think Trump is a true Conservative? :oldlol:

[BigKobeFan]

Donald Trump is a piece of $hit. I hope Ron Desantis defeats him in the GOP Primaries.

Why does a bald midget in the Philippines care about US primaries?

[Patrick Chewing]

Lebron23 is just upset his Boston Celtics 2022 NBA championship shirts that were sent to poor countries are too big on him.

[Lebron23]

Why does a bald midget in the Philippines care about US primaries?

I might move to America, And kick your butt

[BigKobeFan]

I might move to America, And kick your butt

I just need to put my hand on your head and you will never reach me.

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-warns-desantis-wife_n_636b5461e4b021a4038f4534?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Let the tearing apart of the GOP begin.

[Off the Court]

Trump is being advised to delay his 2024 candidacy announcement. He was supposed to do it a week from now. His people lost so bad that they need damage control.

I wonder, if Qari Lake loses in ARZ, if Trump will drop out completely.

[Long Duck Dong]

Yea because you're nuts if you believe Trump is a true conservative. He's your classic North East elitist, Manhattan blue blood. He only pretends to hate libs to keep his uneducated cracker base happy. That dude doesn't have an ounce of blue collar in him, it's all an act to keep his hillbillies in line. He has much more in common with the Bush family than some hick Alabama trucker...it's all an act, bro. I can't believe you guys can't see through his shtick. If DeSantis defeats him in the primaries, which I firmly believe he can, he will never admit he was beaten fair and square and he'll fracture the GOP unless they make him the candidate.

If you replace hick and hillbilly with poor ghetto trash and struggling single mothers, you basically described almost every single Democrat politician

[BigKobeFan]

If you replace hick and hillbilly with poor ghetto trash and struggling single mothers, you basically described almost every single Democrat politician:lol

[KNOW1EDGE]

You really think Trump is a true Conservative? :oldlol:

Yes, Trump is truly a conservative. You thought he was a liberal?

[Off the Court]

Yes, Trump is truly a conservative. You thought he was a liberal?
He's a non-religious New Yorker born in wealth. That's your "truly conservative"? He has absolutely nothing in common with blue collar red state citizens.

Trump isn't for liberals or conservatives. Trump is for Trump. His path just happens to be through the rednecks.

[diamenz]

Yes, Trump is truly a conservative. You thought he was a liberal?

trump was a registered democrat not long ago. that said though, he has no clear cut ideology either way, aside from what he's said in interviews over twenty years ago. that's when trump was saying substantive and interesting stuff. he ran on some populist policies in 2016 but completely lost his way since then.

but yeah now, trump is for trump - the guy only wants to conquer.

[SouBeachTalents]

Yea because you're nuts if you believe Trump is a true conservative. He's your classic North East elitist, Manhattan blue blood. He only pretends to hate libs to keep his uneducated cracker base happy. That dude doesn't have an ounce of blue collar in him, it's all an act to keep his hillbillies in line. He has much more in common with the Bush family than some hick Alabama trucker...it's all an act, bro. I can't believe you guys can't see through his shtick. If DeSantis defeats him in the primaries, which I firmly believe he can, he will never admit he was beaten fair and square and he'll fracture the GOP unless they make him the candidate.
I would love to see Trump claim the primaries were rigged against him too :lol There's a 0% chance Trump is endorsing anybody if he runs and loses.

[TheMan]

I would love to see Trump claim the primaries were rigged against him too :lol There's a 0% chance Trump is endorsing anybody if he runs and loses.

Exactly. It boggles the mind that there are still a lot of people that can't figure out that Trump only cares about one thing...himself.

[Axe]

Yea because you're nuts if you believe Trump is a true conservative. He's your classic North East elitist, Manhattan blue blood. He only pretends to hate libs to keep his uneducated cracker base happy. That dude doesn't have an ounce of blue collar in him, it's all an act to keep his hillbillies in line. He has much more in common with the Bush family than some hick Alabama trucker...it's all an act, bro. I can't believe you guys can't see through his shtick. If DeSantis defeats him in the primaries, which I firmly believe he can, he will never admit he was beaten fair and square and he'll fracture the GOP unless they make him the candidate.
And poopsie and co. are all shown to be far too gullible for all the trickeries he's been making so far lolol

[Patrick Chewing]

Exactly. It boggles the mind that there are still a lot of people that can't figure out that Trump only cares about one thing...himself.

And you still fail to realize that your argument is irrelevant to him being a good President and irrelevant to how this country flourishes under Trump. Who cares about his ego? Can he run the country yes or no? This isn't a debate about who would be a better person to be friends with. This is a debate on who would run the country better. And Trump did fantastic. Imagine if he didn't have to deal with the relentless attacks by the Left.

[Facepalm]

Yes, Trump is truly a conservative. You thought he was a liberal?

He's neither Conservative nor Liberal. He has no core values or ideology either way. The only thing he cares about is grifting money and gaining power and will say or do whatever is necessary to achieve that. You idiots still can't see that.

[bladefd]

And you still fail to realize that your argument is irrelevant to him being a good President and irrelevant to how this country flourishes under Trump. Who cares about his ego? Can he run the country yes or no? This isn't a debate about who would be a better person to be friends with. This is a debate on who would run the country better. And Trump did fantastic. Imagine if he didn't have to deal with the relentless attacks by the Left.

No, he can't run a country and has no business doing so. Running a business or a beauty pageant is different from running a country.

[Patrick Chewing]

No, he can't run a country and has no business doing so. Running a business or a beauty pageant is different from running a country.

LOL you're so broken and delusional. The country was better off in his 4 years than we are now and probably the last 4 years of the Obama administration. You're just a biased partisan hack.

[BigKobeFan]

LOL you're so broken and delusional. The country was better off in his 4 years than we are now and probably the last 4 years of the Obama administration. You're just a biased partisan hack.

he doesn't know because his hard working mother pays for all his food and living expenses.

[bladefd]

LOL you're so broken and delusional. The country was better off in his 4 years than we are now and probably the last 4 years of the Obama administration. You're just a biased partisan hack.

Speak for yourself.

[Lakers Legend#32]

LOL you're so broken and delusional. The country was better off in his 4 years than we are now and probably the last 4 years of the Obama administration. You're just a biased partisan hack.

We were using freezer trucks as morgues because Trump refused to take the pandemic seriously.

This is Poopsie's idea of the country being better off.

[KNOW1EDGE]

He's neither Conservative nor Liberal. He has no core values or ideology either way. The only thing he cares about is grifting money and gaining power and will say or do whatever is necessary to achieve that. You idiots still can't see that.

I’m not liberal or conservative.

Donald Trump is a conservative. I agree he cares more about money and fame- that doesn’t make him not a conservative. Why do you not want him to be a conservative so badly?

[Off the Court]

I’m not liberal or conservative.

Donald Trump is a conservative. I agree he cares more about money and fame- that doesn’t make him not a conservative. Why do you not want him to be a conservative so badly?

Pre-2016 or Presidential run, point to something that signifies he is conservative. What makes him a conservative in your eyes outside of his campaign?

[diamenz]

I’m not liberal or conservative.

Donald Trump is a conservative. I agree he cares more about money and fame- that doesn’t make him not a conservative. Why do you not want him to be a conservative so badly?

donald trump is not ideological bro. you could argue it either way based of what he's said in the last few years, everything from proposing universal hc to telling his rich buddies "i just made you all a shit ton of money" off of his tax cuts.

like i said, listen to interviews in the seventies, eighties, nineties... when trump wasn't involved in the political game - he definitely had some interesting shit to say about stuff across the entire spectrum. he was more of a populist and america first (no, that's not a conservative thing just because of slogans). now, it's just what's politically convenient for him.

[Overdrive]

I’m not liberal or conservative.

Donald Trump is a conservative. I agree he cares more about money and fame- that doesn’t make him not a conservative. Why do you not want him to be a conservative so badly?

What are his conservative core values? Family, tradition, religion? Where in his life did he ever show that.

He's a protectionist businessmen and by that he does good for the US blue collar workers. That's not a conservative trait in itself. Social democrats like Sanders would do the same, but due a different motivation.

I agree with Chewy though. If you believe he's good for the country what does it matter? That's actually the biggest problem in recent years for you guys. You don't care for ideas anymore. It's just GOP good/dems bad et in vice versa. No country can profit from such a political climate. Especially when you only have two options.

[diamenz]

I agree with Chewy though. If you believe he's good for the country what does it matter? That's actually the biggest problem in recent years for you guys. You don't care for ideas anymore. It's just GOP good/dems bad et in vice versa. No country can profit from such a political climate. Especially when you only have two options.

and what does it matter whether a democrat or republican is in office anyway? the pendulum swings back & forth every few years between the two and we all stay economically centered in the end regardless.

[Off the Court]

and what does it matter whether a democrat or republican is in office anyway? the pendulum swings back & forth every few years between the two and we all stay economically centered in the end regardless.

https://www.johnbreneman.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/eagle910.jpg

Yep the two wings keep each other in check.

Either wing all by itself is in an extremist state.

[Lakers Legend#32]

The cult will never abandoned their dear orange leader.

Certainly not for DeSantis.

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://thehill.com/homenews/3730272-trump-attacks-desantis-amid-positive-press-an-average-republican-governor/

Let the GOP bloodbath begin.

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-unleashes-new-fury-on-ron-desantis/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Oh Yeah, these two will work together for the good of GQP Party.

[Off the Court]

https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1590844668702588928?t=H0CV2v4SL1_U8NLpMWzlow&s=19

Trump declares war on DeSantis.

Demon democrats did this

[rmt]

Imo, Trump should shut up - and I say this as someone who voted twice for Trump.

[diamenz]

the truth is, trump can't fu** with desantis. how does a republican go about attacking ron desantis? he's the king woke-killer. he's a great governor and conservatives love him. otoh trump is damaged goods. the elites don't want him, he won't stfu about the 'stolen election', he's under 101 investigations, may even get indicted, convicted, who knows - anything's possible. normies, moderates and swing voters would rat5her go for desantis and desantis knows this. he's not even going to respond to trump.

that's a sorry ass attack from trump btw. it's weak af.

[Facepalm]

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-unleashes-new-fury-on-ron-desantis/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Oh Yeah, these two will work together for the good of GQP Party.

How long before Fox is labeled main stream media fake news by Trump and his MAGAts :oldlol:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump will burn down the GOP than let someone else be the nominee.

And he's got his MAGA thugs ready to help him.

[Patrick Chewing]

Trump has these fools seething. :lol

[Off the Court]

the truth is, trump can't fu** with desantis. how does a republican go about attacking ron desantis? he's the king woke-killer. he's a great governor and conservatives love him. otoh trump is damaged goods. the elites don't want him, he won't stfu about the 'stolen election', he's under 101 investigations, may even get indicted, convicted, who knows - anything's possible. normies, moderates and swing voters would rat5her go for desantis and desantis knows this. he's not even going to respond to trump.

that's a sorry ass attack from trump btw. it's weak af.

After these midterms Trump can now see that the GOP is abandoning him. He is lashing out at Ron in pure desperation. It's all he knows how to do.

If Trump can't win he'll burn it all to the ground.

[Johnny32]

it's embarrassing how long it took them to see the light.

[Johnny32]

Imo, Trump should shut up - and I say this as someone who voted twice for Trump.

then you should be well aware the mouth breathing, depends wearing, fat man loves to hear himself talk too much to ever shut up.

[Off the Court]

Looks like Trump is going to announce his 2024 run on the 15th. This will begin the war between DeSantis and Trump for the nomination.

This is a difficult spot for the GOP to be. They know that in order to go a different direction than Trump they are going to lose his back woods cult loyalists.

This is a dream come true for Democrats, who may witness the Republican party break in half.

[Patrick Chewing]

Looks like Trump is going to announce his 2024 run on the 15th. This will begin the war between DeSantis and Trump for the nomination.

This is a difficult spot for the GOP to be. They know that in order to go a different direction than Trump they are going to lose his back woods cult loyalists.

This is a dream come true for Democrats, who may witness the Republican party break in half.

74 million people voted for Trump last election. The most votes for any Republican ever. If he's the nominee, he sure would be a popular one that is supported by more than just "his back woods cult loyalists".

It's hilarious how you guys cannot stop talking about Trump despite having the lowest approval ratings for Joe Biden at the moment, and despite losing Congress. Of course, we all know why you're doing this. You're trying to deflect from the obvious and shift the attention towards Trump again.


And if a backwoods person votes for Joe Biden and votes Democrat, are they considered backwoods cult loyalists too? Or are you under the impression that the only Party people that live in backwoods vote for is the Republican Party??

[Off the Court]

And if a backwoods person votes for Joe Biden and votes Democrat, are they considered backwoods cult loyalists too? Or are you under the impression that the only Party people that live in backwoods vote for is the Republican Party??

Biden has no cult following in any neck if the woods. Obama maybe, but Biden no.

Trump has the most cultish following of all time. Got the symbolism and everything.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZeU8lHUMAYZHil.jpg

[Patrick Chewing]

The only cult following Trump has is from the likes of you and Lakers Legend who talk about him 24/7 on here.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump's back woods cult still makes up 30%-49% of the GOP base. That is enough to win the primaries.

That is also enough to sink DeSantis' potential presidential campaign if Trump tells the sheep to stay home on election day.

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://www.politicalflare.com/2022/11/nasty-trump-is-losing-his-mind-on-truth-social-tells-his-supporters-to-stop-being-stupid/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Trump tells board's MAGAS to stop being so stupid.

[Lakers Legend#32]

On this Veteran's Day I think it is always important to remember that Trump called the members of the armed services losers and suckers.

[Kblaze8855]

That press release or whatever it was while Ron had said(I believe) literally nothing about him is probably a good preview of what the race would look like. I feel like Desantis would make it entirely about Biden/democrats and let Trump look crazy yelling about him and try to get the normal Republican base to vote for him because he will look like a leader. Problem is…if it works the Republican Party is absolutely done in 2024 because Trump would pull a Teddy Roosevelt Bill Moose party if he doesn’t get the nomination. He runs third party, takes 15-20 percent of the total vote, and gives Biden 400+ electoral points. Biden would win Texas with Trump splitting the Republican vote. Hell he might win Florida. Trump can’t beat Ron in Florida but it would only take like 15% of people to go Trump for Biden to win it.

I feel like they all know they can’t afford a third party Trump run. If all it did was remove straight Republican ballots and force people to go person by person it might cost a couple extra seats down ticket too.

In sure the bosses are torn between asking Ron not to run because they want him as the candidate but know Trump is never gonna back anyone else. Not fully at least.

Trump starts his own party and a few ousted types latch on and run with him down ticket Democrats would take 60 seats in the senate like 08. Even if he ultimately decided not to do it he’d definitely float the idea to scare Republican leadership into asking Ron to wait his turn.

He might literally tell the party to bend the knee or he’ll destroy them like Stannis.

[bladefd]

That press release or whatever it was while Ron had said(I believe) literally nothing about him is probably a good preview of what the race would look like. I feel like Desantis would make it entirely about Biden/democrats and let Trump look crazy yelling about him and try to get the normal Republican base to vote for him because he will look like a leader. Problem is…if it works the Republican Party is absolutely done in 2024 because Trump would pull a Teddy Roosevelt Bill Moose party if he doesn’t get the nomination. He runs third party, takes 15-20 percent of the total vote, and gives Biden 400+ electoral points. Biden would win Texas with Trump splitting the Republican vote. Hell he might win Florida. Trump can’t beat Ron in Florida but it would only take like 15% of people to go Trump for Biden to win it.

I feel like they all know they can’t afford a third party Trump run. If all it did was remove straight Republican ballots and force people to go person by person it might cost a couple extra seats down ticket too.

In sure the bosses are torn between asking Ron not to run because they want him as the candidate but know Trump is never gonna back anyone else. Not fully at least.

Trump starts his own party and a few ousted types latch on and run with him down ticket Democrats would take 60 seats in the senate like 08. Even if he ultimately decided not to do it he’d definitely float the idea to scare Republican leadership into asking Ron to wait his turn.

He might literally tell the party to bend the knee or he’ll destroy them like Stannis.

The Republican party is essentially being held hostage by Trump. Die if you do, die if you don't. However, if we have learned anything from 2022, it's that Trump is a losing endorsement. I am not sure if the Republican party has figured it out yet, but they will sooner or later.

[Kblaze8855]

Long as you can win a presidential election with less votes Trump is a legit threat because of how thin the margins can be in a few key states. He could cost a few people their elections but still win his.

[Lakers Legend#32]

DeSantis is Trump without the charm.

[Overdrive]

There's only one solution for the reps. Convince DeSantis he will be definate candidate in 2028 and fully endorse Trump in 2024 and hope incase of a loss he'll be too old in 2028.

[rmt]

DeSantis is young - only 44 years old - he has plenty of time, but he needs to strike while the iron is hot. He has no foreign policy experience and so should pair with someone like Nikki Haley (egads! - such a RINO) but who hits the "female of color" prerequisite - just don't listen to the endless wars bs. Who am I kidding foreign policy experience is not a prerequisite (see Obama). DeSantis should take the high road (with Trump - don't get in the mud with him for he'll surely lose) - concentrate on policy - pitch YOUTH and performance as a contrast to Trump and Biden (I hope he runs).

Trump is not going to win the presidency - even die hard Republican conservatives at work (women) can't stomach the personality and Trump hate is STRONG. Melania and his kids need to dissuade him. Hopefully, he won't dirty up DeSantis too much and will bow out gracefully (wishful thinking, I know) if he loses the primary (and tell his followers to vote rep).

BTW, DeSantis did a stunning job in the past election - I did not see one single yard sign of Crist here in Miami-Dade. And republicans need to drop this election day thingy and get out there, go door by door and harvest votes EARLY like the Dems. That made a difference in Nevada (plus bad weather on election day).

[rmt]

There's only one solution for the reps. Convince DeSantis he will be definate candidate in 2028 and fully endorse Trump in 2024 and hope incase of a loss he'll be too old in 2028.

No, Republicans cannot wait - they cannot afford to give up on any election cycle - who knows what dreadful inflation we'll have with a Dem in the WH another cycle - their energy policy and outrageous spending (remember the original Build Back Better) will NOT change. And Thomas and Alito are old.

[diamenz]

No, Republicans cannot wait - they cannot afford to give up on any election cycle - who knows what dreadful inflation we'll have with a Dem in the WH another cycle - their energy policy and outrageous spending (remember the original Build Back Better) will NOT change. And Thomas and Alito are old.

what are republicans proposing to combat inflation?

what are dems proposing that will worsen inflation?

[rmt]

what are republicans proposing to combat inflation?

what are dems proposing that will worsen inflation?

The major things to fight inflation (for politicians) is to put a halt on government spending and turn on the energy (fossil fuel) spigot - in addition to raising interest rates (Federal Reserve Board).

[Facepalm]

Looks like Trump is going to announce his 2024 run on the 15th. This will begin the war between DeSantis and Trump for the nomination.


https://media.tenor.com/AXMEDSnkaH4AAAAC/godzilla-let-them-fight.gif

[KNOW1EDGE]

DeSantis is Trump without the charm.

You think Trump is charming? -that’s out of left field for you. I certainly don’t find him charming. Do you mean he’s charming to his faithful lackeys?

DeSantis is awesome IMO. Trump is not IMO

[diamenz]

The major things to fight inflation (for politicians) is to put a halt on government spending and turn on the energy (fossil fuel) spigot - in addition to raising interest rates (Federal Reserve Board).

what makes you think republicans won't spend? has republican leadership told you what they won't be doing if they reclaim power? what does their track record tell you? what does $7 trillion in iraq, 2$ trillion in tax cuts and a bloated covid relief bill tell you? you think that bbb and the dem's 2021 covid relief bill alone brought about inflation? this has been decades in the making and recent dem/repub spending along with covid's affect on the economy brought this all to a head. government spending is a bipartisan effort in the modern era. you can nit-pick it any way you want, but the big picture in recent history says otherwise.

[Overdrive]

No, Republicans cannot wait - they cannot afford to give up on any election cycle - who knows what dreadful inflation we'll have with a Dem in the WH another cycle - their energy policy and outrageous spending (remember the original Build Back Better) will NOT change. And Thomas and Alito are old.


The major things to fight inflation (for politicians) is to put a halt on government spending and turn on the energy (fossil fuel) spigot - in addition to raising interest rates (Federal Reserve Board).

The reps just have as little clue how to stop inflation as the dems do.

The reps have a track record of spending and fossil fuel needs to be substituted sooner or later. Tough times are ahead for anyone used to the luxury of the western world.

[rmt]

what makes you think republicans won't spend? has republican leadership told you what they won't be doing if they reclaim power? what does their track record tell you? what does $7 trillion in iraq, 2$ trillion in tax cuts and a bloated covid relief bill tell you? you think that bbb and the dem's 2021 covid relief bill alone brought about inflation? this has been decades in the making and recent dem/repub spending along with covid's affect on the economy brought this all to a head. government spending is a bipartisan effort in the modern era. you can nit-pick it any way you want, but the big picture in recent history says otherwise.

What was inflation when those Iraq and tax cut $ were spent? Inflation was not a problem back then - it is the TOP problem NOW (after Dems' denial/temporary/transitory). Inflation was 1.4% when Biden took office - Dems passed the American Rescue plan when we were coming out of covid - totally unnecessary (and not 1 republican vote). Thank God for Manchin regarding original BBB. Thank you judge for ruling this student debt relief unconstitutional (which administration/you all knew anyway) - Heroes Act - what a joke! And the administration conveniently stops taking applications because it has served its purpose to buy votes.

This administrations' war on fossil fuel has adversely affected the price of oil - why are we going to other countries for what we can get from under our feet? Take the shackles off and pump until gas is $2.50 a gallon - supply Europe and strangle Putin's (oil) funding of this war.

[eliteballer]

What was inflation when those Iraq and tax cut $ were spent? Inflation was not a problem back then - it is the TOP problem NOW (after Dems' denial/temporary/transitory). Inflation was 1.4% when Biden took office - Dems passed the American Rescue plan when we were coming out of covid - totally unnecessary (and not 1 republican vote). Thank God for Manchin regarding original BBB. Thank you judge for ruling this student debt relief unconstitutional (which administration/you all knew anyway) - Heroes Act - what a joke! And the administration conveniently stops taking applications because it has served its purpose to buy votes.

This administrations' war on fossil fuel has adversely affected the price of oil - why are we going to other countries for what we can get from under our feet? Take the shackles off and pump until gas is $2.50 a gallon - supply Europe and strangle Putin's (oil) funding of this war.

Inflation is a worldwide problem because of covid screwing up supply chains and the Ukraine war you dope.

[diamenz]

What was inflation when those Iraq and tax cut $ were spent? Inflation was not a problem back then - it is the TOP problem NOW (after Dems' denial/temporary/transitory). Inflation was 1.4% when Biden took office - Dems passed the American Rescue plan when we were coming out of covid - totally unnecessary (and not 1 republican vote). Thank God for Manchin regarding original BBB. Thank you judge for ruling this student debt relief unconstitutional (which administration/you all knew anyway) - Heroes Act - what a joke! And the administration conveniently stops taking applications because it has served its purpose to buy votes.

This administrations' war on fossil fuel has adversely affected the price of oil - why are we going to other countries for what we can get from under our feet? Take the shackles off and pump until gas is $2.50 a gallon - supply Europe and strangle Putin's (oil) funding of this war.

like i said... today's inflation is a culmination of what's been in the works for decades - reckless overspending by republicans and democrats. the extreme spending by both republicans and democrats since covid hit threw things over the top and put us where we are now.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/789/428/a01.gif

you seem intelligent and i think you understand this, stop being blinded by partisan foolery and propaganda. stop playing red vs. blue games. this isn't sports. it damages your credibility.

i agree with you on the oil front - nationalize it.

[rmt]

Inflation is a worldwide problem because of covid screwing up supply chains and the Ukraine war you dope.

So why does China, Japan and Switzerland have inflation rates 3% or less? And THEY do not have oil under their feet and can do something about energy which touches everything.

Country Last Previous Reference Unit
China 2.1 2.8 Oct/22 %
Japan 3 3 Sep/22 %
Switzerland 3 3.3 Oct/22 %
Saudi Arabia 3.1 3 Sep/22 %
South Korea 5.7 5.6 Oct/22 %
Indonesia 5.71 5.95 Oct/22 %
France 6.2 5.6 Oct/22 %
Brazil 6.47 7.17 Oct/22 %
Canada 6.9 7 Sep/22 %
Australia 7.3 6.1 Sep/22 %
Spain 7.3 8.9 Oct/22 %
India 7.41 7 Sep/22 %
Singapore 7.5 7.5 Sep/22 %
South Africa 7.5 7.6 Sep/22 %
United States 7.7 8.2 Oct/22 %
Mexico 8.41 8.7 Oct/22 %
United Kingdom 10.1 9.9 Sep/22 %
Germany 10.4 10 Oct/22 %
Euro Area 10.7 9.9 Oct/22 %
Italy 11.9 8.9 Oct/22 %
Russia 12.6 13.7 Oct/22 %
Netherlands 14.3 14.5 Oct/22 %
Argentina 83 78.5 Sep/22 %
Turkey 85.51 83.45 Oct/22 %

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

[BigKobeFan]

So why does China, Japan and Switzerland have inflation rates 3% or less? And THEY do not have oil under their feet and can do something about energy which touches everything.

Country Last Previous Reference Unit
China 2.1 2.8 Oct/22 %
Japan 3 3 Sep/22 %
Switzerland 3 3.3 Oct/22 %
Saudi Arabia 3.1 3 Sep/22 %
South Korea 5.7 5.6 Oct/22 %
Indonesia 5.71 5.95 Oct/22 %
France 6.2 5.6 Oct/22 %
Brazil 6.47 7.17 Oct/22 %
Canada 6.9 7 Sep/22 %
Australia 7.3 6.1 Sep/22 %
Spain 7.3 8.9 Oct/22 %
India 7.41 7 Sep/22 %
Singapore 7.5 7.5 Sep/22 %
South Africa 7.5 7.6 Sep/22 %
United States 7.7 8.2 Oct/22 %
Mexico 8.41 8.7 Oct/22 %
United Kingdom 10.1 9.9 Sep/22 %
Germany 10.4 10 Oct/22 %
Euro Area 10.7 9.9 Oct/22 %
Italy 11.9 8.9 Oct/22 %
Russia 12.6 13.7 Oct/22 %
Netherlands 14.3 14.5 Oct/22 %
Argentina 83 78.5 Sep/22 %
Turkey 85.51 83.45 Oct/22 %

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

Facts destroyed the libtard

[eliteballer]

So why does China, Japan and Switzerland have inflation rates 3% or less? And THEY do not have oil under their feet and can do something about energy which touches everything.

Country Last Previous Reference Unit
China 2.1 2.8 Oct/22 %
Japan 3 3 Sep/22 %
Switzerland 3 3.3 Oct/22 %
Saudi Arabia 3.1 3 Sep/22 %
South Korea 5.7 5.6 Oct/22 %
Indonesia 5.71 5.95 Oct/22 %
France 6.2 5.6 Oct/22 %
Brazil 6.47 7.17 Oct/22 %
Canada 6.9 7 Sep/22 %
Australia 7.3 6.1 Sep/22 %
Spain 7.3 8.9 Oct/22 %
India 7.41 7 Sep/22 %
Singapore 7.5 7.5 Sep/22 %
South Africa 7.5 7.6 Sep/22 %
United States 7.7 8.2 Oct/22 %
Mexico 8.41 8.7 Oct/22 %
United Kingdom 10.1 9.9 Sep/22 %
Germany 10.4 10 Oct/22 %
Euro Area 10.7 9.9 Oct/22 %
Italy 11.9 8.9 Oct/22 %
Russia 12.6 13.7 Oct/22 %
Netherlands 14.3 14.5 Oct/22 %
Argentina 83 78.5 Sep/22 %
Turkey 85.51 83.45 Oct/22 %

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

I say it's a worldwide problem and you name THREE countries because it fits your bullshit narrative?

Not to mention China has a hell of a long list of economic issue both present and future besides inflation..

[eliteballer]

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-10-24/california-poised-to-overtake-germany-as-world-s-no-4-economy

Deal with it, maga morons.

[SATAN]

I say it's a worldwide problem and you name THREE countries because it fits your bullshit narrative?

Not to mention China has a hell of a long list of economic issue both present and future besides inflation..

So does Japan lol.

[Off the Court]

i agree with you on the oil front - nationalize it.

If the US can export oil at $100 a barrel that's what they're doing and frankly bringing all that money into the US is probably what's best for the country.

We are producing plenty but the prices are determined by the globe. If we doubled our oil production then OPEC would just counter it with cuts because they want expensive oil.

[diamenz]

If the US can export oil at $100 a barrel that's what they're doing and frankly bringing all that money into the US is probably what's best for the country.

We are producing plenty but the prices are determined by the globe. If we doubled our oil production then OPEC would just counter it with cuts because they want expensive oil.

high gas prices aren't what's best for the country. like rmt said, nationalize big oil and supply europe for the time being. this is progressive policy.

[diamenz]

back on topic, is anyone else here super thirsty for a trump vs. desantis showdown? this would be political entertainment at full blast. this is the shit that keeps you going throughout the day. i want this shit now.

[Off the Court]

Gas prices matter most in the short term. In the long term bringing wealth into the country benefits us most. Getting the most money for our oil.

Regardless of that debate, nationalizing oil will never happen under any party red or blue.

[Off the Court]

back on topic, is anyone else here super thirsty for a trump vs. desantis showdown? this would be political entertainment at full blast. this is the shit that keeps you going throughout the day. i want this shit now.

It's coming, and the left can't wait. :lol

[diamenz]

It's coming, and the left can't wait. :lol

the left's in it for political purposes and their hatred for trump. i just want entertainment.

[bladefd]

high gas prices aren't what's best for the country. like rmt said, nationalize big oil and supply europe for the time being. this is progressive policy.

Republicans would cry bloody Mary if oil industry was nationalized. I personally don't mind it but it would never pass congress unfortunately

[bladefd]

So why does China, Japan and Switzerland have inflation rates 3% or less? And THEY do not have oil under their feet and can do something about energy which touches everything.

Country Last Previous Reference Unit
China 2.1 2.8 Oct/22 %
Japan 3 3 Sep/22 %
Switzerland 3 3.3 Oct/22 %
Saudi Arabia 3.1 3 Sep/22 %
South Korea 5.7 5.6 Oct/22 %
Indonesia 5.71 5.95 Oct/22 %
France 6.2 5.6 Oct/22 %
Brazil 6.47 7.17 Oct/22 %
Canada 6.9 7 Sep/22 %
Australia 7.3 6.1 Sep/22 %
Spain 7.3 8.9 Oct/22 %
India 7.41 7 Sep/22 %
Singapore 7.5 7.5 Sep/22 %
South Africa 7.5 7.6 Sep/22 %
United States 7.7 8.2 Oct/22 %
Mexico 8.41 8.7 Oct/22 %
United Kingdom 10.1 9.9 Sep/22 %
Germany 10.4 10 Oct/22 %
Euro Area 10.7 9.9 Oct/22 %
Italy 11.9 8.9 Oct/22 %
Russia 12.6 13.7 Oct/22 %
Netherlands 14.3 14.5 Oct/22 %
Argentina 83 78.5 Sep/22 %
Turkey 85.51 83.45 Oct/22 %

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

China historically likes to cook their books with bs financials to look good so I don't trust any of their numbers. Switzerland is a small country and small sample size. Japan has been dealing with deflation for decades afaik and finally has some inflation following in the steps of the world.

It's pretty clear to me that you have zero idea what you are talking about. Your posts are clueless and partisan to extreme. You have the right intentions but the wrong information and you are too partisan to think straight.

[Lakers Legend#32]

In the immediate aftermath of January 6th, Republicans were attacking Trump for inspiring the riot.

Within a week later, they were back kissing his orange ass and acquitting him in his Senate trial.

Same with the non-existent Red Wave.

They will be back sucking his d!ck when he announces his candidacy tomorrow.

Why? Because Trump's base is not going to DeSantis or anywhere else.

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AYoaCQEHgA

[diamenz]

SHOCK POLL: DeSantis Beating Trump By SEVEN After Midterms — Brutal Swing of 29 Points In Days (https://www.mediaite.com/news/shock-poll-desantis-beating-trump-by-seven-after-midterms-brutal-swing-of-29-points-in-days/)


Florida Governor Ron DeSantis beat former President Donald Trump by a convincing seven points in a post-midterm poll — a brutal swing of 29 points from a similar poll days earlier.

According to a new YouGov poll taken after the midterms and published Saturday, “More Republicans and Republican-leaning Independents now say they’d prefer DeSantis (42%) as their 2024 presidential nominee over Trump than say they’d prefer Trump to DeSantis (35%).”

The pollster notes that’s a 17-point swing from a Yahoo! News/YouGov poll taken a month ago.

But the most recent pre-midterms poll with a similar sample size and pollster rating shows an even more brutal swing. Just days before the election, Trump led DeSantis by 22 points in a Morning Consult poll — a 29-point swing.

Republicans have been dumping on Trump with regularity after Tuesday’s midterm Election Night results, which were widely been seen as a Trump-fueled disappointment for Republicans. But not everyone is joining in on the ostentatious kicking-around of Trump by members of his own party.

DeSantis, by contrast, won his reelection in a landslide and took an ostentatious victory lap that certainly caught Trump’s attention, as evidenced by his subsequent attacks on his potential rival.

[Overdrive]

China historically likes to cook their books with bs financials to look good so I don't trust any of their numbers. Switzerland is a small country and small sample size. Japan has been dealing with deflation for decades afaik and finally has some inflation following in the steps of the world.

It's pretty clear to me that you have zero idea what you are talking about. Your posts are clueless and partisan to extreme. You have the right intentions but the wrong information and you are too partisan to think straight.

Both swiss franc and yen were popular foreign currency loans. They have low to almost no interest rates and thus you'd only have to pay the rate of inflation. This makes both yen and franc bound by foreign investings and keeps their money stable.

Another thing is that cost of living is insanely high in switzerland so in order to fight inflation they can just reduce the mark ups on foreign products and still make decent profit. The energy crisis is still felt there.

[rmt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AYoaCQEHgA

Ian - not Irma.

[Nanners]

So why does China, Japan and Switzerland have inflation rates 3% or less? And THEY do not have oil under their feet and can do something about energy which touches everything.

Country Last Previous Reference Unit
China 2.1 2.8 Oct/22 %
Japan 3 3 Sep/22 %
Switzerland 3 3.3 Oct/22 %
Saudi Arabia 3.1 3 Sep/22 %
South Korea 5.7 5.6 Oct/22 %
Indonesia 5.71 5.95 Oct/22 %
France 6.2 5.6 Oct/22 %
Brazil 6.47 7.17 Oct/22 %
Canada 6.9 7 Sep/22 %
Australia 7.3 6.1 Sep/22 %
Spain 7.3 8.9 Oct/22 %
India 7.41 7 Sep/22 %
Singapore 7.5 7.5 Sep/22 %
South Africa 7.5 7.6 Sep/22 %
United States 7.7 8.2 Oct/22 %
Mexico 8.41 8.7 Oct/22 %
United Kingdom 10.1 9.9 Sep/22 %
Germany 10.4 10 Oct/22 %
Euro Area 10.7 9.9 Oct/22 %
Italy 11.9 8.9 Oct/22 %
Russia 12.6 13.7 Oct/22 %
Netherlands 14.3 14.5 Oct/22 %
Argentina 83 78.5 Sep/22 %
Turkey 85.51 83.45 Oct/22 %

https://tradingeconomics.com/country-list/inflation-rate

Probably because unlike the US, EU and many other countries, China/Japan/Switzerland never printed trillions of new money to hand out as covid "stimulus" (the vast majority of which went to wealthy investment firms like Blackrock and big business)

[rmt]

If the US can export oil at $100 a barrel that's what they're doing and frankly bringing all that money into the US is probably what's best for the country.

We are producing plenty but the prices are determined by the globe. If we doubled our oil production then OPEC would just counter it with cuts because they want expensive oil.

The prices are determined (by supply/demand) by the globe (or else Biden wouldn't have been worried by the Saudis cutting production by 2 million barrels a day - likewise, Biden wouldn't have released from our Reserves).

If the US doubled its production, OPEC can't just cut by matching amount - oil is their MAIN source of income. We don't need 100% increase - 20-25% (2.96-3.7 mil barrels/day more) would be great (and hurt Russia too).

Country Yearly Oil Production
(Barrels per day)
1 United States 14,837,639,510
2 Saudi Arabia 12,402,761,040
3 Russia 11,262,746,200
4 China 4,905,070,874
5 Canada 4,596,724,820
6 Iraq 4,443,457,393
7 Iran 4,376,194,355
8 United Arab Emirates 3,772,788,273
9 Brazil 3,242,957,836
10 Kuwait 2,990,544,137
11 Mexico 2,484,354,880
12 Venezuela 2,355,423,552
13 Norway 2,003,747,525
14 Qatar 1,987,192,978
15 Nigeria 1,938,542,727
16 Angola 1,796,742,754
17 Algeria 1,698,785,656
18 Kazakhstan 1,698,280,454
19 United Kingdom 1,083,928,369
20 India 1,016,370,639
21 Oman 1,015,511,568
22 Indonesia 945,637,219
23 Colombia 911,891,820
24 Azerbaijan 843,546,251
25 Malaysia 762,168,426
26 Argentina 708,770,148
27 Egypt 682,904,142
28 Ecuador 548,378,765
29 Thailand 531,328,590
30 Libya 499,396,792
31 Australia 373,728,372
32 Vietnam 313,632,727
33 Turkmenistan 266,426,689
34 Equatorial Guinea 244,000,000
35 Germany 211,888,432
36 Gabon 210,427,672
37 Congo 204,735,325
38 South Sudan 152,459,016
39 Italy 150,146,863
40 Denmark 145,673,612
41 Peru 141,447,560
42 South Africa 136,517,000
43 France 133,014,033
44 Japan 123,525,033
45 Brunei 121,034,388
46 Chad 114,000,000
47 South Korea 108,419,000
48 Sudan 107,852,585
49 Ghana 99,113,656
50 Trinidad and Tobago 97,725,609

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/

[Nanners]

The prices are determined (by supply/demand) by the globe (or else Biden wouldn't have been worried by the Saudis cutting production by 2 million barrels a day - likewise, Biden wouldn't have released from our Reserves).

If the US doubled its production, OPEC can't just cut by matching amount - oil is their MAIN source of income. We don't need 100% increase - 20-25% (2.96-3.7 mil barrels/day more) would be great (and hurt Russia too).

Country Yearly Oil Production
(Barrels per day)
1 United States 14,837,639,510
2 Saudi Arabia 12,402,761,040
3 Russia 11,262,746,200
4 China 4,905,070,874
5 Canada 4,596,724,820

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/

If the price of gas is entirely a function of global supply and demand, why are Saudi Arabians and Russians paying the equivalent of ~$2/gal at the pump right now, while the avg price in the US and Canada is double that (or more)

[rmt]

If the price of gas is entirely a function of global supply and demand, why are Saudi Arabians and Russians paying the equivalent of ~$2/gal at the pump right now, while the avg price in the US and Canada is double that (or more)

Oil and petroleum products explained
Oil prices and outlook
BASICS
+MENU
Crude oil prices are determined by global supply and demand. Economic growth is one of the biggest factors affecting petroleum product—and therefore crude oil—demand. Growing economies increase demand for energy in general and especially for transporting goods and materials from producers to consumers. The world’s transportation sector is almost totally dependent on petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel fuel. Many countries also rely heavily on petroleum fuels for heating, cooking, or generating electricity. Petroleum products made from crude oil and other hydrocarbon liquids account for about a third of total world energy consumption...

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/prices-and-outlook.php

[Nanners]

Oil and petroleum products explained
Oil prices and outlook
BASICS
+MENU
Crude oil prices are determined by global supply and demand. Economic growth is one of the biggest factors affecting petroleum product—and therefore crude oil—demand. Growing economies increase demand for energy in general and especially for transporting goods and materials from producers to consumers. The world’s transportation sector is almost totally dependent on petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel fuel. Many countries also rely heavily on petroleum fuels for heating, cooking, or generating electricity. Petroleum products made from crude oil and other hydrocarbon liquids account for about a third of total world energy consumption...

https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/oil-and-petroleum-products/prices-and-outlook.php

I'll try asking this simple question again - If the price of gas is entirely a function of global supply and demand, why are Saudi Arabians and Russians paying the equivalent of ~$2/gal at the pump right now, while the avg price in the US and Canada is double that (or more)

[diamenz]

Ian - not Irma.

good catch bro. :applause:

[rmt]

good catch bro. :applause:

Actually, it's sis - or am I going to get flamed for sista/sistah - I'm not up on current lingo.

[diamenz]

Actually, it's sis - or am I going to get flamed for sista/sistah - I'm not up on current lingo.

dunno, but rrr3 & the woke mob here can get pretty upset over that kinda stuff so you'd better stick to she/her they/them.

[bladefd]

The prices are determined (by supply/demand) by the globe (or else Biden wouldn't have been worried by the Saudis cutting production by 2 million barrels a day - likewise, Biden wouldn't have released from our Reserves).

If the US doubled its production, OPEC can't just cut by matching amount - oil is their MAIN source of income. We don't need 100% increase - 20-25% (2.96-3.7 mil barrels/day more) would be great (and hurt Russia too).

Country Yearly Oil Production
(Barrels per day)
1 United States 14,837,639,510
2 Saudi Arabia 12,402,761,040
3 Russia 11,262,746,200
4 China 4,905,070,874
5 Canada 4,596,724,820
6 Iraq 4,443,457,393
7 Iran 4,376,194,355
8 United Arab Emirates 3,772,788,273
9 Brazil 3,242,957,836
10 Kuwait 2,990,544,137
11 Mexico 2,484,354,880
12 Venezuela 2,355,423,552
13 Norway 2,003,747,525
14 Qatar 1,987,192,978
15 Nigeria 1,938,542,727
16 Angola 1,796,742,754
17 Algeria 1,698,785,656
18 Kazakhstan 1,698,280,454
19 United Kingdom 1,083,928,369
20 India 1,016,370,639
21 Oman 1,015,511,568
22 Indonesia 945,637,219
23 Colombia 911,891,820
24 Azerbaijan 843,546,251
25 Malaysia 762,168,426
26 Argentina 708,770,148
27 Egypt 682,904,142
28 Ecuador 548,378,765
29 Thailand 531,328,590
30 Libya 499,396,792
31 Australia 373,728,372
32 Vietnam 313,632,727
33 Turkmenistan 266,426,689
34 Equatorial Guinea 244,000,000
35 Germany 211,888,432
36 Gabon 210,427,672
37 Congo 204,735,325
38 South Sudan 152,459,016
39 Italy 150,146,863
40 Denmark 145,673,612
41 Peru 141,447,560
42 South Africa 136,517,000
43 France 133,014,033
44 Japan 123,525,033
45 Brunei 121,034,388
46 Chad 114,000,000
47 South Korea 108,419,000
48 Sudan 107,852,585
49 Ghana 99,113,656
50 Trinidad and Tobago 97,725,609

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/oil-production-by-country/

Again, the US government would not make that extra money unless if they took over every oil company. Private oil companies in America would pocket those extra profits.

What you are suggesting is only beneficial to the American people and the government if all American oil was nationalized. Otherwise, you are just helping oil companies pocket more money and helping oil tycoons grow more powerful/buy off more politicians than they already do. If you nationalized oil then you can charge whatever you want to whomever and sell to whoever you want. I just don't see it happening.

[Overdrive]

Probably because unlike the US, EU and many other countries, China/Japan/Switzerland never printed trillions of new money to hand out as covid "stimulus" (the vast majority of which went to wealthy investment firms like Blackrock and big business)

Switzerland handed out 60billion francs during the pandemic. Its nominal GDP is around 750billion dollars or 700billion francs.
Austria handed out 40billion euros while its GDP is 430billion dollars or 416billion euros.

Not that huge of a difference. Similar countries in populace. One is an efta member the other EU. Neither part of the NATO. The swiss are just rich and their currency got stabilzed by outside stimuli.

China's economic numbers can't be trusted but of course they're hut less, by their export crisis.

[SaltyMeatballs]

On the conservatives subreddit everyone is unhappy that Trump is running again in 2024. Seen many comments saying Donny boy is going to destroy the GOP party and one person even said that he's the Hillary Clinton of the Republican party :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

On the conservatives subreddit everyone is unhappy that Trump is running again in 2024. Seen many comments saying Donny boy is going to destroy the GOP party and one person even said that he's the Hillary Clinton of the Republican party :oldlol:

I view it differently. Most of the never-Trumpers are gone and don't have a platform anymore. If DeSantis decides to stay on as Governor, then you can assume DeSantis would get behind Trump and help him on the campaign trail. Trump's running mate is crucial here. I think it'll be a woman. Even a minority woman. Republicans need to start playing the same game as Democrats and pander to minorities and harvest ballots as well. Go knock on those doors and convince people to fill out a ballot for Republicans. Beat Democrats at their own game. If a handicapped ogre like Fetterman and a hermit-like awkward weirdo like Katie Hobbs can win elections due to mail-in voting, then so can Republicans.

[Lakers Legend#32]

If DeSantis is the nominee, Trump will run as an independent to take his votes away, Biden cruises to re-election.

No way Trump let's DeSantis near the White House.

[TheMan]

If DeSantis wins the GOP nomination and Trump gets out of the way (doesn't run as a 3rd party candidate), DeSantis will crush Biden or Harris or any candidate the Dems nominate. If Trump wins the GOP nomination, he'll again lose the popular vote but will still have a chance at the White House due to the US outdated electoral system though I belive he'll be the underdog due to the fact that no one like Trump drives the Dems to vote and Trump seemingly has lost the independent vote bigly.

[Off the Court]

If DeSantis wins the GOP nomination and Trump gets out of the way (doesn't run as a 3rd party candidate), DeSantis will crush Biden or Harris or any candidate the Dems nominate. If Trump wins the GOP nomination, he'll again lose the popular vote but will still have a chance at the White House due to the US outdated electoral system though I belive he'll be the underdog due to the fact that no one like Trump drives the Dems to vote and Trump seemingly has lost the independent vote bigly.

If the election were held right now, today? I'd agree with this take.

But the 2024 election will largely hinge on the state of the economy and by that time it is very possible that inflation has vanished, the market is near highs, and recession was averted. And on top of that Russia having lost their invasion making Biden look like hero to the world.

A lot can happen in 2 years. It is plenty of time for perceptions to change. It is plenty of time for the state of the country to change.

[Patrick Chewing]

If the election were held right now, today? I'd agree with this take.

But the 2024 election will largely hinge on the state of the economy and by that time it is very possible that inflation has vanished, the market is near highs, and recession was averted. And on top of that Russia having lost their invasion making Biden look like hero to the world.

A lot can happen in 2 years. It is plenty of time for perceptions to change. It is plenty of time for the state of the country to change.

https://media.tenor.com/Me8VeYte7asAAAAM/laughing-haha.gif

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://media.tenor.com/Me8VeYte7asAAAAM/laughing-haha.gif

Poopsie days before when told his Red Wave was never going to materialize.

[SouBeachTalents]

If DeSantis wins the GOP nomination and Trump gets out of the way (doesn't run as a 3rd party candidate), DeSantis will crush Biden or Harris or any candidate the Dems nominate. If Trump wins the GOP nomination, he'll again lose the popular vote but will still have a chance at the White House due to the US outdated electoral system though I belive he'll be the underdog due to the fact that no one like Trump drives the Dems to vote and Trump seemingly has lost the independent vote bigly.
https://c.tenor.com/mWjx0Srk1ekAAAAC/breaking-bad-bryan-cranston.gif

It's crazy to me how Trump has been in the national spotlight for nearly 8 years now and people still don't seem to understand his predictable pattern of behavior. Do you really expect Trump to graciously step aside, admit he lost fair and square, and that he's supporting DeSantis in the election? If Trump doesn't win the nom, he's burning the Republican Party down to the ground :lol

[diamenz]

https://c.tenor.com/mWjx0Srk1ekAAAAC/breaking-bad-bryan-cranston.gif

It's crazy to me how Trump has been in the national spotlight for nearly 8 years now and people still don't seem to understand his predictable pattern of behavior. Do you really expect Trump to graciously step aside, admit he lost fair and square, and that he's supporting DeSantis in the election? If Trump doesn't win the nom, he's burning the Republican Party down to the ground :lol

funny how you used a walter gif in concert with what you said. it's been a long time, but didn't gus & company want walt out, but walt gave them an adamant 'no' and burned it all down? :lol

[Lakers Legend#32]

DeSantis is just Trump without the charm.

His grumpy old man schtick won't play any were outside of Red State Florida.

[rmt]

DeSantis is just Trump without the charm.

His grumpy old man schtick won't play any were outside of Red State Florida.

DeSantis is very measured - he thinks before he speaks, and his ego is nowhere near Trump's. He has Trump policies without the baggage.

[Lakers Legend#32]

DeSantis is very measured - he thinks before he speaks, and his ego is nowhere near Trump's. He has Trump policies without the baggage.

He's copying Trump's bully persona. He knows the base wants a candidate who hates the same people they do.

[rmt]

He's copying Trump's bully persona. He knows the base wants a candidate who hates the same people they do.

I hardly think that 60% of the Floridians who voted are "the base" - he has done an excellent job leading Florida - people are flocking to the state, education (compared to the rest of the nation) is going well considering how much (less) Florida is spending per pupil, NO state income tax, very good job in aftermath of Hurricane Ian, budget surplus:

https://www.flgov.com/2022/05/20/governor-ron-desantis-announces-record-budget-surplus-as-floridas-economy-continues-to-outperform-the-nation/

[bladefd]

If the price of gas is entirely a function of global supply and demand, why are Saudi Arabians and Russians paying the equivalent of ~$2/gal at the pump right now, while the avg price in the US and Canada is double that (or more)

Oil is nationalized in both Russia and Saudi Arabia. That is the reason their government can charge whatever they want for oil within their borders. They charge higher for oil they export.

However, US oil companies are private so they charge based on global supply and demand and throw on extra for padding their own pockets. They also do not give special in-house discounts for their country. Government has no control over pricing since they are private companies.

[Lakers Legend#32]

The Republican higher ups want DeSantis because they believe he is a fascist they can control.

Not like the orange fat slob.

[KNOW1EDGE]

The Republican higher ups want DeSantis because they believe he is a fascist they can control.

Not like the orange fat slob.

You don’t even know what that word means. Do you also think the gay Asian reporter who was attacked in Portland by actual fascists is a nazi?

[Patrick Chewing]

The Republican higher ups want DeSantis because they believe he is a fascist they can control.

Not like the orange fat slob.

Everyone you don't like is a fascist! :oldlol:


Considering Florida is probably the freest state in the country, DeSantis is still a fascist to you. Clown ass. :oldlol:

[KNOW1EDGE]

Everyone you don't like is a fascist! :oldlol:


Considering Florida is probably the freest state in the country, DeSantis is still a fascist to you. Clown ass. :oldlol:

I like him and RR3, but they both think if you behave like a fascist but call yourself “Antifa” that makes you not fascist.

And on the other side of things- if you don’t agree with them/do what they want you to do- you are a fascist.

They truly do not understand the definition, or have never even opened a dictionary/used a google search.

[Avinash]

Trump. If DeSantis wins primaries it will be cheating, and no one should support it.

[Patrick Chewing]

I like him and RRR3

That is your first mistake. Those guys are pure evil.

[SATAN]

I like him and RR3,

Thanks!

[Lakers Legend#32]

Everyone you don't like is a fascist! :oldlol:


Considering Florida is probably the freest state in the country, DeSantis is still a fascist to you. Clown ass. :oldlol:

Fascism is the merging of the corporation with the state.

It's like when Republicans allow lobbyist to write laws for the organizations that are to regulate them.

Like when corporate polluters lobbyist write environmental laws to allow them to pollute at will.

All Republicans support such fascist tactics.

[Lakers Legend#32]

That is your first mistake. Those guys are pure evil.

XOXOXOX Poopsie.

[Avinash]

Biden is trailing them both

https://www.covers.com/politics/us-election-betting-odds
Next president will be republican regardless

[John8204]

You don’t even know what that word means. Do you also think the gay Asian reporter who was attacked in Portland by actual fascists is a nazi?

Oh are we talking about Andy Ngo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMe6EgVaGh8

I don't know if he's a Nazi but he sure does have a habit of well...

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3CYopbqdiUv4xJf7T6/giphy.gif

[rmt]

Biden is trailing them both

https://www.covers.com/politics/us-election-betting-odds
Next president will be republican regardless

Did they predict the 2022 elections correctly?

[KNOW1EDGE]

John840 what was that video supposed to show/prove? A reporter on scene while people reference the fact they have pepper spray to defend themselves against the same people who physically attacked him? I don’t get it. And those 2 reporters act like he failed to report a planned attack of physical violence. Lol nobody talks about physical violence in that video.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Biden is trailing them both

https://www.covers.com/politics/us-election-betting-odds
Next president will be republican regardless

They also predicted a Red Wave.

[RRR3]

Thanks!
Whoops wrong account.


:yaohappy:

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3746717-barr-warns-trump-will-burn-the-whole-house-down-calls-for-new-gop-leader/

Trump's attorney general says he will burn the whole GOP house to the ground if he does not get the nomination.

[Avinash]

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3746717-barr-warns-trump-will-burn-the-whole-house-down-calls-for-new-gop-leader/

Trump's attorney general says he will burn the whole GOP house to the ground if he does not get the nomination.

Dream on. He wont.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Dream on. He wont.

Right because Trump is so self-less and does not make everything about himself.

[Avinash]

Right because Trump is so self-less and does not make everything about himself.

This is what fake media propaganda wants you to beleive.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Trumps *former attorney general who hates the Orange Man said, in his own opinion, that Donald Trump would burn the whole gop to the ground.

Do you recall what Trump tweeted out on the day of the Jan 6th insurrection? Prob not, but he tweeted, “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!“

But yeah he called for an insurrection and he wants to burn down the GOP

[Patrick Chewing]

Trumps *former attorney general who hates the Orange Man said, in his own opinion, that Donald Trump would burn the whole gop to the ground.

Do you recall what Trump tweeted out on the day of the Jan 6th insurrection? Prob not, but he tweeted, “I am asking for everyone at the U.S. Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order – respect the Law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you!“

But yeah he called for an insurrection and he wants to burn down the GOP

The truth becomes irrelevant when Democrats control the media and the narrative.

[Avinash]

The truth becomes irrelevant when Democrats control the media and the narrative.

When you listen to nothing, you are uninformed. And when you listen to democrats controlled media you are misinformed.
Rather uninformed, then misinformed.

[diamenz]

The truth becomes irrelevant when Democrats control the media and the narrative.

while true, that statement can't be used as an absolute excuse. it's what you choose to expose yourself to aside from the liberal media, as well as what you choose to believe otherwise is the line you need to balance in order to actually see things clearly; because in the end, nobody's telling you the truth. there's too many people to manipulate and too much money to be made.