Phil Jackson: Overrated coach

[Red Pill Sports]

In neither Chicago nor LA did Jackson build anything. Both times he came to teams that were already in a position to succeed. The Jordan Bulls had already been to the ECF with Doug Collins and the Shaq/Kobe Lakers had likewise been to the WCF under Del Harris


When it comes down to it Phil was never that great of a coach, he was just more fortunate than his assistants. Look at Jim Cleamons in Dallas or Kurt Rambis in Minnesota; they never won shit or even came close to it. Even though they were running the same system as Jackson. Why? Simple; Cleamons and Rambis didn't have generational talents at the guard position. Jackson meanwhile was lucky to coach the two greatest guards in NBA history. And you need those type of once-in-a-generation talents for the triangle to work.

Is Jackson a great coach. Sure. Is he the "greatest coach of all time" as fanboys of a certain player always claim? Nope.

[Axe]

After sounding like poopsie outside of the league forum, you're now trying to sound like 3ball with this thread.

[Full Court]

Those teams he came to didn't win anything until he became the coach. PJ is the greatest coach of all time. The guy three-peated three times for Pete's sake.

[Xiao Yao You]

Those teams he came to didn't win anything until he became the coach. PJ is the greatest coach of all time. The guy three-peated three times for Pete's sake.

the job he did the year after MJ first retired was his greatest coaching job

[Red Pill Sports]

the job he did the year after MJ first retired was his greatest coaching job

Fluke season due to low expectations that ended in a playoff flameout due to inability to put away the opponent in the 4th quarter (16 PPG in the 4th quarter of the Knicks series). The following season they spent the bulk of the year struggling to be a. 500 team under Jordan's return, thus only further proving '94 as a fluke.

[Xiao Yao You]

Fluke season due to low expectations that ended in a playoff flameout due to inability to put away the opponent in the 4th quarter (16 PPG in the 4th quarter of the Knicks series). The following season they spent the bulk of the year struggling to be a. 500 team under Jordan's return, thus only further proving '94 as a fluke.

no way that team should have been that close to the finals

[Red Pill Sports]

Those teams he came to didn't win anything until he became the coach. PJ is the greatest coach of all time. The guy three-peated three times for Pete's sake.

And Jackson wasn't some established coach in 1989. He was a nobody. The only reason he stayed relevant in LA was because he had what was essentially a clone of Jordan for every ring in LA combined with the league's most dominant big man for three of them.

Larry Brown in 2004 is much better than anything Jackson did. Popovich winning his first two rings with mediocre backcourt production is far more impressive

[Red Pill Sports]

no way that team should have been that close to the finals

1. They weren't that close. It was the 2nd round
2. A big reason they were in the 2nd round is that their first round opponent was a team missing 3 of its top 4 players. And we're supposed to congratulate him on that?

Budenholzer won 60 games with no real stars and advanced 1 round further. He also won a ring with 1 superstar and nobody else as a Top 20 player. Why aren't we sucking off Mike Budenholzer?

[GrayGoat]

3-peating 3 times. Yeah overrated

[Full Court]

And Jackson wasn't some established coach in 1989. He was a nobody. The only reason he stayed relevant in LA was because he had what was essentially a clone of Jordan for every ring in LA combined with the league's most dominant big man for three of them.

Larry Brown in 2004 is much better than anything Jackson did. Popovich winning his first two rings with mediocre backcourt production is far more impressive

No coach can win a championship without top level talent on the team. You can have your opinions.

Everyone else has PJ as GOAT coach.

[Axe]

Those teams he came to didn't win anything until he became the coach.
What a braindead dumbass, not realizing the lakers have already won 11 titles by the time he became the head coach of the team. :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

1. They weren't that close. It was the 2nd round
2. A big reason they were in the 2nd round is that their first round opponent was a team missing 3 of its top 4 players. And we're supposed to congratulate him on that?

Budenholzer won 60 games with no real stars and advanced 1 round further. He also won a ring with 1 superstar and nobody else as a Top 20 player. Why aren't we sucking off Mike Budenholzer?

winning with Pippen as you go to guy is no small feat

[GrayGoat]

No coach can win a championship without top level talent on the team. You can have your opinions.

Everyone else has PJ as GOAT coach.

It’s not even close really. His teams had no finals hangover whatsoever

[Xiao Yao You]

What a braindead dumbass, not realizing the lakers have already won 11 titles by the time he became the head coach of the team. :roll:

and the Jazz had owned them until Phil came

[Red Pill Sports]

No coach can win a championship without top level talent on the team. You can have your opinions.

Everyone else has PJ as GOAT coach.

Larry Brown destroyed Jackson's legacy in 2004; a team with 4 Hall of Famers/Top 75 all time versus a collection of cast offs that nobody wanted and none of whom made the All-NBA lists that year.

Give Brown and Popovich a Jordan or Kobe type of talent, they have 11 rings as well.

[Full Court]

What a braindead dumbass, not realizing the lakers have already won 11 titles by the time he became the head coach of the team. :roll:

^This idiot thinks that the Magic and KAJ Lakers were the same team as 2000 Lakers. :roll: What an idiot.

I guess Kobe and Shaq played in the 80s.

:biggums:

Truly a dingus among Bronies.

[Axe]

Then desperately tries to shift the goalposts instead of admitting he's wrong, by adding another narrative to make his statement look valid. :confusedshrug:

Stupid jizzrag lolol.

[Red Pill Sports]

and the Jazz had owned them until Phil came

And yet Jackson didn't want the Lakers facing the Jazz in 2000 and Shaq recently admitted they purposefully avoided the No. 1 seed in 2002 to avoid facing the No. 8 Jazz with 40 year old Stockton and 39 year old Malone.

[Full Court]

Then tries to shift the goalposts instead of admitting he's wrong. Stupid jizzrag lolol.

:roll:

Blubbering dingus getting triggered by the truth yet again.

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[Xiao Yao You]

And yet Jackson didn't want the Lakers facing the Jazz in 2000 and Shaq recently admitted they purposefully avoided the No. 1 seed in 2002 to avoid facing the No. 8 Jazz with 40 year old Stockton and 39 year old Malone.

it was too bad they didn't have to go through the Jazz though without Shandon Anderson they weren't the same team

[Full Court]

it was too bad they didn't have to go through the Jazz though without Shandon Anderson they weren't the same team

According to Axe the Dingus every team is the same forever.

:lol

[Axe]

https://i.ibb.co/mvRpfmx/IMG-20221112-091044.jpg
Interesting.

[Full Court]

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Poor merman.

[Red Pill Sports]

3-peating 3 times. Yeah overrated

Have Cleamons or Rambis coach those same teams and what changes? Nothing. Now give Jackson the Cleamons roster in Dallas or the Rambis roster in Minnesota. Nobody would be calling him the GOAT coach.

[Full Court]

Have Cleamons or Rambis coach those same teams and what changes? Nothing. Now give Jackson the Cleamons roster in Dallas or the Rambis roster in Minnesota. Nobody would be calling him the GOAT coach.

Playing the what-if game and fantasy swapping people isn't an actual argument.

Fact is, Jackson three peated three times. Who else did?

[Axe]

Guys, have you heard? Apparently the lakers haven't 'won anything' until they hired phil jackson to become the head coach of the team. Well, at least according to our unanimous resident 2022 ISH redneck jizzrag of the year, folks.

[Full Court]

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Dingus getting desperate over here. :lol

[Axe]

Yep, he's bleeding once again. Poooor jizzrag lmao.

[Full Court]

Lol at this dingus trying to do damage control because he made an idiotic post without thinking. :roll:

Lots of similarities between him and his hero Bronie.

[Red Pill Sports]

Playing the what-if game and fantasy swapping people isn't an actual argument.

Fact is, Jackson three peated three times. Who else did?

Fact is Jackson was luckier than any other coach in history. Popovich with a Mike or Kobe would win 11 rings by accident

[Axe]

Butthurt jizzrag is so butthurt after i just pointed out the most obvious thing rofl.

[Red Pill Sports]

Playing the what-if game and fantasy swapping people isn't an actual argument.

Fact is, Jackson three peated three times. Who else did?

Fact is Jackson was luckier than any other coach in history. Popovich with a Mike or Kobe would win 11 rings by accident

[Full Court]

Butthurt jizzrag is so butthurt after i just pointed out the most obvious thing rofl.

"Me HATE Full Court, because me a very stupid dingus and me constantly get destroyed by him. Me go stamp my feet and drink soy milk. [whimper]"


:roll:

[Axe]

Yep, more lame trolling from him just proves my point even further fellas! :lebronamazed:

[SATAN]

Tye Lou, Erik Spoelstra and Frank Vogel are the most overrated coaches of all time.

[Axe]

Fact is Jackson was luckier than any other coach in history. Popovich with a Mike or Kobe would win 11 rings by accident
Tbf tho, him and jordan weren't so lucky until then came along the implementation of the flagrant foul in the early 90s... The bulls honestly didn't win any titles until during that point.

[Full Court]

Yep, more lame trolling from him just proves my point even further fellas! :lebronamazed:

It's truly hilarious how this dingus puts his idiocy on display for the whole world to see. :roll:

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[Axe]

Says the lame ass jizzrag who has a hard time sleeping every night because of a 'fringe top 10 player all-time'. :lol

So going btt, how many championships do the lakers have by the end of the lockout-shortened '98-99 season?

[Full Court]

Says the lame ass jizzrag who has a hard time sleeping every night because of a 'fringe top 10 player all-time'. :lol

So going btt, how many championships do the lakers have by the end of the lockout-shortened '98-99 season?

^This idiot is STILL trying to say the 1988 Lakers were the same team as the 2000 Lakers. :roll: You can't make this up.









Dingus among Bronies.

[Axe]

See guys? Our resident ISH redneck jizzrag can't even answer a simple question because he's all too fixated with his lame trolling. Which is worse than pathetic to say the least. ;)

[Full Court]

See guys? Our resident ISH redneck jizzrag can't even answer a simple question because he's all too fixated with his lame trolling. Which is worse than pathetic to say the least. ;)

Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamage control.

Too late. Everybody already knows you're a dumb dingus. :confusedshrug:

[Axe]

Always labelling someone as 'dumb' once he gets exposed for saying some low iq shit. What a sore loser thing to do. :oldlol:

[Full Court]

Always labelling someone as 'dumb' once he gets exposed for saying some low iq shit. What a sore loser thing to do. :oldlol:

^Tries to backtrack and damage control his idiotic post. Makes himself out to be even dumber. :roll:

What a dingus.

[Axe]

Says the lame ass jizzrag who has a hard time sleeping every night because of a 'fringe top 10 player all-time'. :lol

So going btt, how many championships do the lakers have by the end of the lockout-shortened '98-99 season?
Still can't answer a simple question after three shitty replies. :sleeping :facepalm

[HoopsNY]

Phil gets overrated but he's still a top 5 coach IMO. We can't ignore how the ceiling was raised when he became the head coach of Chicago and the Lakers.

Chicago went from a 47 win team to a 55 win team in 1990, then won the title a year later. The Lakers got swept in the WCSF in '99 and then won 67 games and the title in 2000.

When Phil left in 2005, the Lakers had Rudy T and only won 34 games. Granted, the team was terrible, but how much better was the roster in 2006 when Phil returned? In fact, you could argue the roster was worse because they didn't have Butler, but the team went from 34 wins to 45 wins.

In 2012, with Mike Brown as the head coach, the team still had the third best record in the west. But it's just impossible to ignore how much of an impact he had on MJ and Kobe, and all of the previous years as a sample.

[Axe]

Phil gets overrated but he's still a top 5 coach IMO. We can't ignore how the ceiling was raised when he became the head coach of Chicago and the Lakers.

Chicago went from a 47 win team to a 55 win team in 1990, then won the title a year later. The Lakers got swept in the WCSF in '99 and then won 67 games and the title in 2000.

When Phil left in 2005, the Lakers had Rudy T and only won 34 games. Granted, the team was terrible, but how much better was the roster in 2006 when Phil returned? In fact, you could argue the roster was worse because they didn't have Butler, but the team went from 34 wins to 45 wins.

In 2012, with Mike Brown as the head coach, the team still had the third best record in the west. But it's just impossible to ignore how much of an impact he had on MJ and Kobe, and all of the previous years as a sample.
This. You need to have a combination of great coach, great system and great talent in order for a team to dominate consistently for a long time. Talent alone wouldn't be enough, although there have been cases where teams have immediately fallen off a cliff once they leave and be replaced with somebody insignificant. At the same time, it's also funny how some people here chastise the triangle; it's far from being a perfect system but with it, the last three-peat happened two decades ago. So it is far from being unsuccessful if anything. Tho not all teams can really implement it successfully.

[JBSptfn]

Phil's Chicago Bull and 2000-02 Laker championships were scripted by Dick Ebersol and NBC.

I would take Pop or Auerbach over him.

[Full Court]

Still can't answer a simple question after three shitty replies. :sleeping :facepalm

You answer my question, and I'll answer yours.

How old were you when your mom stopped dressing you in girls' clothes?

[SATAN]

Phil's Chicago Bull and 2000-02 Laker championships were scripted by Dick Ebersol and NBC.



Quite the revelation. Can you provide some further information on this?

[Axe]

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Phil's Chicago Bull and 2000-02 Laker championships were scripted by Dick Ebersol and NBC.

I would take Pop or Auerbach over him.
You already said this shit in the past so this isn't the first time you've brought that up. What makes you think it's true? The only thing i think was rigged was the 2002 wcf between the kings and the lakers.

[1987_Lakers]

Phil was very wise in choosing his spots, he lucked out in coaching MJ, then got to coach a team with Shaq & Kobe. I remember reading a crazy stat every postseason how Phil's teams never lost a series if they won the first game. You don't win 10 championships by being an average coach, but he for sure lucked out.

I always liked his approach how he rarely called a timeout if the opponent went on a run, he let the team figure out how to get out of holes and that worked for the most part. He is on the mt. rushmore of coaches along with Red, Riley, & Pop. Unlike Riley & Red, he was a terrible GM, he didn't adjust to the spacing era we see today. He was too stubborn and wanted those Knicks teams to play the triangle offense. His philosophy would be less effective in today's league, but for his time he was elite for sure.

[3ba11]

the job he did the year after MJ first retired was his greatest coaching job


That was his easiest coaching job because the guys knew the system - they were dialed in and enjoying a no-pressure, honeymoon period that was exposed in the playoffs... Pippen averaged 3.0 on 20% (https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/cKS3B2.gif) in the 4th quarter of the ECSF and choked many times (https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/W44XtX.gif).. It was a complete embarrassment (https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-04-2022/B-6qB7.gif) and it showed what happens when you try to make a transition hustler and system player into a leading 1st option...

[Axe]

That was his easiest coaching job because the guys knew the system - they were dialed in and enjoying a no-pressure, honeymoon period that was exposed in the playoffs... Pippen averaged 3.0 on 20% in the 4th quarter of the ECSF and choked [url=https://i.makeagif.com/media/6-27-2021/W44XtX.gif][U]many times (https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/cKS3B2.gif[/url).. It was a complete embarrassment (https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-04-2022/B-6qB7.gif) and it showed what happens when you try to make a transition/hustler and system player into a leading 1st option...
This fraud rh actually thinks doug collins has a far better coaching career than phil jackson ever had. :oldlol:

[nayte]

When you can get Jordan and Kobe to buy into a system your pretty good.

[3ba11]

This fraud rh actually thinks doug collins has a far better coaching career than phil jackson ever had. :oldlol:


Phil was lucky specifically because he caught three top 10 players that were literally peaking as they were already on the cusp of the Finals.. Ultimately, it took time for Jordan to build Pippen up, so Doug Collins simply missed out on the good part, while Phil was a timing luckbox and caught 90/91 MJ and 00' Shaq and all of Kobe

[Axe]

Phil was lucky specifically because he caught three top 10 players that were literally peaking as they were already on the cusp of the Finals.. Ultimately, it took time for Jordan to build Pippen up, so Doug Collins simply missed out on the good part, while Phil was a timing luckbox and caught 90/91 MJ and 00' Shaq and all of Kobe
Jordan, pippen and kobe didn't win any rings without him while shaq only had one under riley (but only after he left the lakers). Now collins and rambis never led them to any championships either. :confusedshrug: