MVP Tatum drops 43/3/10

[AirBonner]

7/10 from 3. He’s now averaging 31/4/7 on the season :biggums::pimp::banana:

[ImKobe]

MVP?

31/7/4 is nothing in today's era

Luka is averaging 34/9/8
Morant is averaging 29/6/7
Giannis 32/12/5
Jokic 22/10/9
KD 31/7/5

He has ways to go but is showing some signs of improvement as a scorer inside the arc, the 3PT% will come down a little bit but the rest is sustainable.

[Axe]

MVP?

31/7/4 is nothing in today's era

Luka is averaging 34/9/8
Morant is averaging 29/6/7
Giannis 32/12/5
Jokic 22/10/9
KD 31/7/5

He has ways to go but is showing some signs of improvement as a scorer inside the arc, the 3PT% will come down a little bit but the rest is sustainable.
In other words...

Ingram > Tatum
























































:confusedshrug:

[tontoz]

Tatum had a slow start (painful to watch BTW) last season which kept him from being a threat for MVP. Even with the slow start he finished 6th in the MVP voting.

He has to be considered a legit threat this season.

[ShawkFactory]

MVP?

31/7/4 is nothing in today's era

Luka is averaging 34/9/8
Morant is averaging 29/6/7
Giannis 32/12/5
Jokic 22/10/9
KD 31/7/5

He has ways to go but is showing some signs of improvement as a scorer inside the arc, the 3PT% will come down a little bit but the rest is sustainable.

Outside of Giannis none of those guys effect the game defensively like Tatum. Luka is having an outrageous season offensively.

But after those two Tatum is #3 in the MVP right now.

[tontoz]

Outside of Giannis none of those guys effect the game defensively like Tatum. Luka is having an outrageous season offensively.

But after those two Tatum is #3 in the MVP right now.


Don't bother trying to reason with him. He thinks Ingram is better than Tatum. :oldlol:

Tatum has a TS of 65% so far which is probably better than all the guys he listed.

[beau_boy04]

is Tatum atm considered better than KD?

Last season, he outclassed and outplayed KD in the first round. Take that in consideration. and Tatum has improved stats wise compared to last season.

[Axe]

is Tatum atm considered better than KD?

Last season, he outclassed and outplayed KD in the first round. Take that in consideration. and Tatum has improved stats wise compared to last season.
I think a sample size of 10+ games is too small in telling that, plus it's still early in the season. Although in the case of tatum, it certainly looks like he's heading that way throughout the rest of the season. Hopefully no unfortunate injuries too.

[ImKobe]

Outside of Giannis none of those guys effect the game defensively like Tatum. Luka is having an outrageous season offensively.

But after those two Tatum is #3 in the MVP right now.

Celtics are bottom 10 defensively right now, buddy.



Don't bother trying to reason with him. He thinks Ingram is better than Tatum. :oldlol:

Tatum has a TS of 65% so far which is probably better than all the guys he listed.



Ok? The guys I listed are better offensive players, all of them. KD is shooting almost 65%TS too, Jokic 67.5%,


Tatum is not top in 5 PER, WS/48 or BPM. His TS% is very high but not that impressive, Steph for instance is averaging 33/7/7 on 69.5%TS, I totally forgot about Curry so Tatum falls even lower on my list rn.

Numbers are very inflated in today's era, he's still not a top 5 player overall. He is top 5 if you want to talk about the MVP race currently but nowhere near best in the league like the Celtics broadcast hyped him up to be.

[ShawkFactory]

Celtics are bottom 10 defensively right now, buddy.

Ok...

Jayson Tatum is an elite defensive player at his position and the other guys you listed outside of Giannis are not.

[RRR3]

Celtics are bottom 10 defensively right now, buddy.






Ok? The guys I listed are better offensive players, all of them. KD is shooting almost 65%TS too, Jokic 67.5%,


Tatum is not top in 5 PER, WS/48 or BPM. His TS% is very high but not that impressive, Steph for instance is averaging 33/7/7 on 69.5%TS, I totally forgot about Curry so Tatum falls even lower on my list rn.

Numbers are very inflated in today's era, he's still not a top 5 player overall. He is top 5 if you want to talk about the MVP race currently but nowhere near best in the league like the Celtics broadcast hyped him up to be.
Boiling. Ingram isn’t even top 30

[ImKobe]

Ok...

Jayson Tatum is an elite defensive player at his position and the other guys you listed outside of Giannis are not.

Tatum is not on their level as an offensive player. That's far more important in today's era. Tatum's scoring hasn't been anywhere close to elite in the POs.

[ShawkFactory]

Tatum is not on their level as an offensive player. That's far more important in today's era. Tatum's scoring hasn't been anywhere close to elite in the POs.

Wait...aren’t we talking who the MVP is this season? What happened in the playoffs last season has no relevance at all.

The Celtics are the top ranked offense at the moment. If you extrapolated the season out to the end and keep things exactly as they are then he is finishing 3rd in the MVP.

KD in particular has absolutely no argument.

[tontoz]

I would agree that Jokic and KD have been better offensively than Tatum in recent years but I don't think they have been better so far this year.

Jokic is averaging 10 fewer ppg than Tatum, KD 2 fewer. Tatum is better than both defensively.

[ImKobe]

Wait...aren’t we talking who the MVP is this season? What happened in the playoffs last season has no relevance at all.

The Celtics are the top ranked offense at the moment. If you extrapolated the season out to the end and keep things exactly as they are then he is finishing 3rd in the MVP.

KD in particular has absolutely no argument.

Tatum hasn't been elite on D this season, Celtics been a mess on D overall.. If you're making the "this season" argument, he hasn't been an elite 2-way player. We see this with great 2-way players all the time. JT can't be what he was defensively and also have the energy to be an elite scorer, his defense is going to fall off if he's carrying a 30 ppg load consistently. Celtics right now have been 6 pts better per 100 on D with JT off the court. People shit on Luka's or Jokic's defense in the POs but those guys have proven that they can carry an ATG load on offense and be efficient doing that in the POs. Tatum's a really good scorer but his game isn't that advanced yet. He does look bigger and is getting to the rim more which is a big step forward for him.

JT's individual defensive impact gets overrated because of the other elite defenders on his team. Timelord and Smart are the 2 best defensive players on the team and Horford is a more impactful defender as well. It's no surprise that they're struggling without Rob.

[ShawkFactory]

Tatum hasn't been elite on D this season, Celtics been a mess on D overall.. If you're making the "this season" argument, he hasn't been an elite 2-way player. We see this with great 2-way players all the time. JT can't be what he was defensively and also have the energy to be an elite scorer, his defense is going to fall off if he's carrying a 30 ppg load consistently. Celtics right now have been 6 pts better per 100 on D with JT off the court. People shit on Luka's or Jokic's defense in the POs but those guys have proven that they can carry an ATG load on offense and be efficient doing that in the POs. Tatum's a really good scorer but his game isn't that advanced yet. He does look bigger and is getting to the rim more which is a big step forward for him.

JT's individual defensive impact gets overrated because of the other elite defenders on his team. Timelord and Smart are the 2 best defensive players on the team and Horford is a more impactful defender as well. It's no surprise that they're struggling without Rob.

Yea...a team is typically going to be worse defensively when they lose an elite defensive center. That isn't news and it has nothing to do with Tatum being a great defender or not.

To call him a guy who isn't elite defensively at his position right now is absurd. You simply aren't watching the games or are being disingenuous. Unless it's a center of a PG, he is guarding the other teams best scorer pretty much the entire game.

It's not really appropriate don't pay much stock into what a team looks like defensively after 13 games though. Particularly when missing their center. They are figuring things out, but Tatum is as good as any wing defender that exists. He consistently puts effort on that end while also dropping 32 on the other.

Again...he'd be 3rd in MVP right now if the season ended. You can argue otherwise until you're blue in the face but it doesn't change reality.

[ImKobe]

Yea...a team is typically going to be worse defensively when they lose an elite defensive center. That isn't news and it has nothing to do with Tatum being a great defender or not.

To call him a guy who isn't elite defensively at his position right now is absurd. You simply aren't watching the games or are being disingenuous. Unless it's a center of a PG, he is guarding the other teams best scorer pretty much the entire game.

It's not really appropriate don't pay much stock into what a team looks like defensively after 13 games though. Particularly when missing their center. They are figuring things out, but Tatum is as good as any wing defender that exists. He consistently puts effort on that end while also dropping 32 on the other.

Again...he'd be 3rd in MVP right now if the season ended. You can argue otherwise until you're blue in the face but it doesn't change reality.

Ok, so he's guarding the other team's best scorer, they're also getting lit up for 113.5 PPG right now. He hasn't been an elite defender this season. He's on pace to have his worst season defensively and it's because he's trying to carry a much bigger offensive load than he's used to.

MVP race based on current W/L records would have him pretty high on the list, but he's not a top 5 player overall. If the Celtics keep giving up 113.5 PPG they're not going to be up there in the standings for too long either.

[ShawkFactory]

Ok, so he's guarding the other team's best scorer, they're also getting lit up for 113.5 PPG right now. He hasn't been an elite defender this season. He's on pace to have his worst season defensively and it's because he's trying to carry a much bigger offensive load than he's used to.

MVP race based on current W/L records would have him pretty high on the list, but he's not a top 5 player overall. If the Celtics keep giving up 113.5 PPG they're not going to be up there in the standings for too long either.

Right. Who of the other guys are doing that? That's...a valuable thing. They'd be even worse off defensively if he wasn't doing things like locking down Ja for entire 4th quarters on the way to wins.

No one is arguing that he's a top 5 player overall, although he is certainly knocking on the door. At least you've now dropped the "he's a borderline top 10 player" thing you had.

[SATAN]

Currently shooting them out of the game. :lol

[Wally450]

Currently shooting them out of the game. :lol

And helped them come back and win. :lol

[Real Men Wear Green]

And helped them come back and win. :lol

It says something when a guy can get 27 points 10 boards 3 steals and 3 blocks and that's a bad game for him.