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90sgoat
11-13-2022, 12:13 PM
It's just that most players suck at it today.

Ok, I'll give one thing, it's that it's easier for a wing or guard to post up, because it's easier to lean on a big guy with another big guy and not called a foul.

Luka averages 1.34 points pr. postup and then you have someone like Zion at 1.04 ppp, Sengun at 1.24 and rookie Banchero at 1.25 just to name a few that have a lot of post up possessions. These guys shoot well into the 60+ FG% on post ups.

If we compare that to spot up shooters and pick and roll ball handlers, absent a few outliers like Curry and Max Struss, there are not a lot of guys putting up 1.2 pr. possesion with high volume.

I think when the analytics nerds get around to it, they will see that the key difference between the post up and the spotup/drive-kick is that the post up is just more reliable.

You might look at PPP for PnR or Spot Up and like those numbers in general, but when it comes down to it, if you need 2 points, you have a 60% chance of a score for a good post player and only about 35% for a 3 point shot.

Luke will prove the analytics nerds wrong and lead to a reemergence of post players.

Kblaze8855
11-14-2022, 11:28 AM
While the good players can easily take advantage of todays players who don’t even make how to defend post players I don’t see it sparking any kinda revolution. Coaches just don’t want people in that area gumming up the works. I can’t imagine how wild you’d have to run before a modern coach doubled you in the post and conceded corner threes as a standard tactic.

They would let you score 2 pointers at a good rate and try to beat you with threes and layups on the other end. It would allow the post player to stack numbers but I don’t know if the team would thrive enough to change the leagues whole approach.

Drexler, Jordan, or Nique would feast like Luka and Zion do now but teams would probably be content to let them do it rather than give up threes.

Kblaze8855
11-14-2022, 11:32 AM
Plus the league is flat out against it. League outlaws the Barkley, Magic, Mark Jackson style backdowns of 5 seconds but nobody has a problem when a guard does an ugly iso dribble for 10 seconds. Apparently this is entertaining:



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Ghost1
11-14-2022, 05:48 PM
The art of post up by LD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6XqRfC5LAw

https://i.postimg.cc/pTBp97n2/qwdqwd.jpg

Chuckbe
11-14-2022, 11:04 PM
The art of post up by LD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6XqRfC5LAw

https://i.postimg.cc/pTBp97n2/qwdqwd.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpik3Xh8d5Q