Pippen was the worst playmaker, passer & ran offense worse than any 90's sidekick

[3ba11]

Payton, Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Penny Hardaway, Terry Porter

So Jordan didn't "need" Pippen's meager 5 apg and should be praised for NOT needing the 10 apg and all-time floor general that his opponents needed.

#evidencepilingup

[Hey Yo]

Here's some attention for ya.

[FultzNationRISE]

So then why the hell was MJ 1-9 before Scottie came along??

[3ba11]

Here's some attention for ya.


It's just fun when everything works out the way you wanted and predicted.

Imagine winning 6 titles with the worse playmaking and scoring sidekick of your decade.. :facepalm:.. :bowdown:

Pippen never played above an Iggy or Wiggins-caliber and was drastically outplayed by Reggie Miller 6/6 times when they faced the same playoff opponent, while also being 0/6 in reaching peak Horry-level in the Finals (0/6 in reaching Horry's gamescore from the 95' Finals)

Since he had the lowest peak capability of any 90's sidekick, he wasn't on the scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif) and therefore forced MJ to defeat maximum defensive attention (carrying scoring load).

[3ba11]

So then why the hell was MJ 1-9 before Scottie came along??


The same reason that Curry, Lebron, Durant and Giannis were lottery during their first few years - it takes a few years for lottery picks to build a bottom-dwellers into a viable teams.

For example, Lebron needed 3 years to build his team into a veteran high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs.. The all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas added a 22/6/5 all-defender before entering those playoffs as a favored high seed..

Otoh, Jordan was thrown into the playoffs in Year 1 as the 8 seed, so that would be like Lebron's 04' Cavs being the 8 seed and facing the champion Pistons... Since Lebron's high seeds and super-team champions get their doors blown off and swept easily, we can assume that his 8 seeds would be destroyed in unimaginable fashion.. Otoh, Jordan's 8 seed in 1986 was more competitive against the champion Celtics than Lebron's super-team champion was against the old Spurs in 2014.

[ShawkFactory]

It's just fun when everything works out the way you wanted and predicted.



The events being discussed happened 25-30 years ago.

[3ba11]

The events being discussed happened 25-30 years ago.


It's just another insight - you guys say that Pippen's meager 5 assists was so important for Jordan to win, yet everyone else got 10 assists and all-time floor generalship from their sidekick.. So Jordan should be praised winning with less, but instead you guys elevate pippen - you're clearly looking at it the opposite - you're in some sort of bizarro world where you're looking at everything wrong... i'm trying to help lol

So let's review... Pippen never played above an Iggy or Wiggins-caliber but the unprecedented winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status.

[ShawkFactory]

you're in some sort of bizarro world where you're looking at everything wrong...

Gotta admit, I laughed :lol

[3ba11]

https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg




Gotta admit, I laughed :lol


I do what I can

So let's review.. Jordan didn't "need" Pippen's decade-worst playmaking and scoring and therefore should be further elevated for winning with less..

Meanwhile, Pippen should be appropriately recognized as THE MOST OVERRATED PLAYER EVER, by virtue of his weak playmaking and scoring being elevated to all-time status by unprecedented winning spotlight (6/6)

[bison]

Starting to think 3ball is one of Pippen's illegitimate children that didn't get on the child support wagon.

[Ne 1]

Payton, Stockton, Tim Hardaway, Penny Hardaway, Terry Porter

So Jordan didn't "need" Pippen's meager 5 apg and should be praised for NOT needing the 10 apg and all-time floor general that his opponents needed.

#evidencepilingup

Soooo, the fact Pippen took the Bulls further without Jordan than Jordan took them without Pippen means what to you? Nothing?

[3ba11]

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1994 ECSF


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/cKS3B2.gif




Starting to think 3ball is one of Pippen's illegitimate children that didn't get on the child support wagon.


Sidekick Playmakers from 1990's

1. Stockton
2. Penny
3. Payton
4. KJ
5. Hardaway
6. Porter
7. Price


Pippen is more like Detlef Schrempf or Hornacek-level playmaker

So Pippen is among the worst-playmaking sidekicks and scorers of the 90's - he literally has worst-ever westbrick efficiency (see image in previous post above) and worst-ever clutch (above).

kukoc was 2nd on the Bulls in 4th quarter and clutch scoring for 98' playoffs, while Pippen averaged 3.0 on 20% for the 4th quarter of 94' ECSF (see image above).

[Ne 1]

It's just another insight - you guys say that Pippen's meager 5 assists was so important for Jordan to win, yet everyone else got 10 assists and all-time floor generalship from their sidekick.. So Jordan should be praised winning with less, but instead you guys elevate pippen - you're clearly looking at it the opposite - you're in some sort of bizarro world where you're looking at everything wrong... i'm trying to help lol

So let's review... Pippen never played above an Iggy or Wiggins-caliber but the unprecedented winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status.

How about the FACT that Phil Jackson said Pippen was a better all around player...the FACT that most of his peers considered him a top 3-5 player of the entire era... the FACT that during the ‘90s there was only a single player with more combined All NBA and All NBA Defensive Selections than Pippen... just assists numbers aren't an indicator of the floor general Pippen was the facilitator for the Bulls and anchored their defense

[3ba11]

Soooo, the fact Pippen took the Bulls further without Jordan than Jordan took them without Pippen means what to you? Nothing?


Think of a team like a baby... That's how a team starts - as an infant..

Jordan built the team up from it's infancy and Pippen led the team after it was fully-grown with fully-grown know-how and proven 3-peat system

aka night and day

Despite the 3-peat system, Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months (borderline lottery in 95' before MJ returned).. So Pippen only had one-off fluke in the 94' regular season due to a no-pressure and honeymoon period, but got exposed in the playoffs and following season in 95'.

[3ba11]

How about the FACT that Phil Jackson said Pippen was a better all around player...the FACT that most of his peers considered him a top 3-5 player of the entire era... the FACT that during the ‘90s there was only a single player with more combined All NBA and All NBA Defensive Selections than Pippen... just assists numbers aren't an indicator of the floor general Pippen was the facilitator for the Bulls and anchored their defense



How about the fact that Phil conspired with MJ on how to make bummy cast members like Pippen better?



https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-28-2022/V2Jnjt.gif



^^^ "but WE have to find other ways to make other guys better"


And I don't remember Phil saying Pippen was a better all-round player but he said stuff like that occasionally as standard political-speak to boost his team and give the media what they want (fill air-time and provide content for fans)

[Ne 1]

Think of a team like a baby... That's how a team starts - as an infant..

Jordan built the team up from it's infancy and Pippen led the team after it was fully-grown with fully-grown know-how and proven 3-peat system

aka night and day

Despite the 3-peat system, Pippen destroyed a 3-peat dynasty to borderline lottery in less than 18 months (borderline lottery in 95' before MJ returned).. So Pippen only had one-off fluke in the 94' regular season due to a no-pressure and honeymoon period, but got exposed in the playoffs and following season in 95'.

So Jordan built the team, not the coach and his proven championship system, got it. Borderline lottery, when they were one win away from being 8th seed before Jordan ever returned.

[Hey Yo]

Funny that Jordan allegedly built the team, yet said he wouldn't play for anyone but Phil.


:lol ..... dumb

[Round Mound]

Im sure Payton, Stockton etc would carry the 1993-94 Bulls to 55 wins...

[3ba11]

So Jordan built the team, not the coach and his proven championship system, got it. Borderline lottery, when they were one win away from being 8th seed before Jordan ever returned.


Jackson was lucky to coach the two greatest guards in NBA history, otherwise the triangle never won

[3ba11]

Im sure Payton, Stockton etc would carry the 1993-94 Bulls to 55 wins...


Maybe more of they had 3-peated alongside MJ first.

And why wouldn't they? If Pippen's meager 5 apg and worst-ever efficiency was enough to 3-peat with Jordan, then why wouldn't Stockton's 15 apg or Payton's 10 apg and superior scoring?

[Round Mound]

Maybe more of they had 3-peated alongside MJ first.

And why wouldn't they? If Pippen's meager 5 apg and worst-ever efficiency was enough to 3-peat with Jordan, then why wouldn't Stockton's 15 apg or Payton's 10 apg and superior scoring?

I agree if it was 1987-90 Pippen but by 1991 Pippen was a very good player and by 94 the best SF of the 90's. Pippen became a great play maker, passer, great open floor driver finisher dunker and solid rebounder.

[HoopologyPhD]

OP is right about Pippen, he was a mental midget that would have done nothing without MJ to take away all the pressure and score points. Gonobili>>>Pippen

[Axe]

1-9

[3ba11]

I agree if it was 1987-90 Pippen but by 1991 Pippen was a very good player and by 94 the best SF of the 90's. Pippen became a great play maker, passer, great open floor driver finisher dunker and solid rebounder.


Stockton is considered an ALL-TIME FLOOR GENERAL........ Pippen is not

Payton is considered an ALL-TIME FLOOR GENERAL... Pippen is not.

Guys like Stockton, Payton, Tim Hardaway, KJ or Penny were considered all-time floor generals that could average 10 apg and break their man down in the halfcourt, while Pippen was a 5-assist guy that couldn't break his man down.

These are the literal facts and statistical record, so don't lie about Pippen.. he wasn't a "great" playmaker like Stockton, Payton, Tim Hardaway, KJ, Penny or even Terry Porter..

And I noticed that you didn't mention scoring when listing Pippen's attributes above... In addition to not being an elite playmaker like every other 90's sidekick, Pippen was probably the worst scorer - his efficiency and clutch were literally worst all-time, aka Westbrick-efficiency and Anthony Roberson in the clutch (completely non-existent where Kukoc was preferred in the 2nd half of playoff games, aka Kukoc was 2nd on the Bulls in fourth-quarter scoring for the 98' Playoffs).