The Bulls are struggling because LaVine isn’t a real star

[Vino24]

1-13 :biggums: the guy isn’t a 3 level scorer there for not a star

[FultzNationRISE]

1-13 :biggums: the guy isn’t a 3 level scorer there for not a star

Lavine + Demar = The Jordan Bros.

[SATAN]

Also Aaron Gordon was robbed.

[Full Court]

Yeah, Bulls need to get rid of Lavine. The more I see him play, the more convinced I am that he's a low-impact, overrated player.

[tontoz]

In B4 PeroAntic comes to Lavine's rescue.

[Axe]

In B4 PeroAntic comes to Lavine's rescue.
:roll:

[PeroAntic]

Lavine has been one of the best scorers in the game for several seasons, but sure we should definitely conclude he isn't a star because of one single game.

Before Derozan joined Lavine was basically posting 30/5/5 on 50/40/90, and there wasn't a peep around here. This season it took just 15 games where is scoring ONLY 20ppg (low by his own standards), and all that after a surgery in the offseason, and suddenly all the experts have come out from under their rocks. The level of idiocy is astonishing.

[Full Court]

Lavine has been one of the best scorers in the game for several seasons, but sure we should definitely conclude he isn't a star because of one single game.

Before Derozan joined Lavine was basically posting 30/5/5 on 50/40/90, and there wasn't a peep around here. This season it took just 15 games where is scoring ONLY 20ppg (low by his own standards), and all that after a surgery in the offseason, and suddenly all the experts have come out from under their rocks. The level of idiocy is astonishing.

That's the thing though. He doesn't score when it matters. If you need someone to make a basket, you give the ball to DeRozan, not Lavine. The points/rebounds/assists stat line doesn't tell the whole story.

[bison]

In B4 PeroAntic comes to Lavine's rescue.

lmao

[Jasper]

when Levine was a free agent I was hoping the Bucks could land him as their SG.

Pressure would be off him to lead a worthless team with no killer instinct.
Bulls over paid , and the rest is history.

[PeroAntic]

That's the thing though. He doesn't score when it matters. If you need someone to make a basket, you give the ball to DeRozan, not Lavine. The points/rebounds/assists stat line doesn't tell the whole story.

He has a long list of clutch points and game winners. Since Derozan came he took the role of the alpha dog because of his age and offensive polish, but it doesn't make Lavine less of a star. especially not after one bad shooting night

[ArbitraryWater]

Overreaction

[RRR3]

Lavine has been one of the best scorers in the game for several seasons, but sure we should definitely conclude he isn't a star because of one single game.

Before Derozan joined Lavine was basically posting 30/5/5 on 50/40/90, and there wasn't a peep around here. This season it took just 15 games where is scoring ONLY 20ppg (low by his own standards), and all that after a surgery in the offseason, and suddenly all the experts have come out from under their rocks. The level of idiocy is astonishing.
27.4 PPG and 84.9 FT% being called “basically 30 PPG and 90% FT shooting” is pretty funny

[Full Court]

He has a long list of clutch points and game winners. Since Derozan came he took the role of the alpha dog because of his age and offensive polish, but it doesn't make Lavine less of a star. especially not after one bad shooting night

It's not one bad night. He doesn't step up he needs to. That was the case all last season, and this season so far.

[90sgoat]

He always seemed like a very low IQ player to me, not capable of playing in a smart and advanced offense.

He also shoots way too many 3s considering his athleticism, when he should be driving every play like Antman.

Watched him quite a bit in FIBA and he just looked out of place, couldn't adjust.

[WhiteKyrie]

Yeah, Bulls need to get rid of Lavine. The more I see him play, the more convinced I am that he's a low-impact, overrated player.

I mean if you paid attention to them even before the big contract this summer, all Chicago fans knew this. Which we were forced to overpay for him because of our bad standing with players in terms of free agency and loyalty. Considering the organization ran off the games greatest player of all time through sheer narcissism and stupidity. Before DeMar DeRozan got here last year, and a quarter of the way through the season was already our team‘s best player, Zach Lavine was a mid 20 points per game scorer, and for all intensive purposes, was basically a way more athletic and aesthetically pleasing Kevin Martin. His scoring impact isn’t take over the game let alone stretches of the season caliber. He doesn’t have true impact on the game, even when he scores. He doesn’t have a go to moves. He led us to 30 win seasons before DeMar DeRozan got there. He’s a tertiary star player at best on a championship caliber team.

[Axe]

Maybe he should start training to be the sixth man instead.

[PeroAntic]

People forget two things:

1. Lavine had major knee surgery in the offseason
2. He can still drop 50 easy if he decides to do so


For some reason people always disliked Zach even though he's a great guy, very fun to watch and can score in every possible way at an efficient rate. Its hard to understand.

[WhiteKyrie]

People forget two things:

1. Lavine had major knee surgery in the offseason
2. He can still drop 50 easy if he decides to do so


For some reason people always disliked Zach even though he's a great guy, very fun to watch and can score in every possible way at an efficient rate. Its hard to understand.
1. Is a problem
2. No

And no one dislikes him. Not much is even known about him. He doesn’t show tremendous amounts of personality (his wife is hot, I’ve met her at the UC and hit on her because my dude gassed me up and didn’t tell me it was Lavine’s wife)

We are strictly analyzing him as a ball player. And these are all things unanimously agreed about him locally and league wide. Why are you overrating and over defending him? No one is talking shit about him either. Just honesty.

[meat]

God we're so dumb! We all forgot Lavine could score 50 points a game if he felt like it.

[PeroAntic]

1. Is a problem
2. No

And no one dislikes him. Not much is even known about him. He doesn’t show tremendous amounts of personality (his wife is hot, I’ve met her at the UC and hit on her because my dude gassed me up and didn’t tell me it was Lavine’s wife)

We are strictly analyzing him as a ball player. And these are all things unanimously agreed about him locally and league wide. Why are you overrating and over defending him? No one is talking shit about him either. Just honesty.

The man scored at historically high volume and efficiency for a guard before Derozan arrived, and all most people could comment on that was 'buh buh his defense". Now first time when he has a short dip (for which he has a legitimate excuse in the injury), all of a sudden hes not even a star. He is a USA national basketball team member, and there is no other guard who combines such athletic rim finishing and that elite of a three point shooting AT THE SAME TIME.

So yeah, gtfo with that 'not a star' bs. He was always underrated and will be back to his level again. And yeah if he wants to take over he can get 50, if he hogs the ball in the PnR Harden style. hes a deadly shooter.

[PeroAntic]

I mean you are saying Lavine doesn't have a go to move, when he has several of them: the step back, the middy fadeaway J, the pull up deep three, the acrobatic layup... If you don't see them it says something about how people see Lavine.

[meat]

Well why doesn't he want to take over and get 50? Maybe the Bulls would be better if he did.

[Xiao Yao You]

The man scored at historically high volume and efficiency for a guard before Derozan arrived, and all most people could comment on that was 'buh buh his defense". Now first time when he has a short dip (for which he has a legitimate excuse in the injury), all of a sudden hes not even a star. He is a USA national basketball team member, and there is no other guard who combines such athletic rim finishing and that elite of a three point shooting AT THE SAME TIME.

So yeah, gtfo with that 'not a star' bs. He was always underrated and will be back to his level again. And yeah if he wants to take over he can get 50, if he hogs the ball in the PnR Harden style. hes a deadly shooter.

Team USA is #2 in the world after Lavine's run with the team. Not sure I'd bring that up. Let's talk Jabari? Where is he dominating at the moment?

[Hey Yo]

I mean if you paid attention to them even before the big contract this summer, all Chicago fans knew this. Which we were forced to overpay for him because of our bad standing with players in terms of free agency and loyalty. Considering the organization ran off the games greatest player of all time through sheer narcissism and stupidity. Before DeMar DeRozan got here last year, and a quarter of the way through the season was already our team‘s best player, Zach Lavine was a mid 20 points per game scorer, and for all intensive purposes, was basically a way more athletic and aesthetically pleasing Kevin Martin. His scoring impact isn’t take over the game let alone stretches of the season caliber. He doesn’t have true impact on the game, even when he scores. He doesn’t have a go to moves. He led us to 30 win seasons before DeMar DeRozan got there. He’s a tertiary star player at best on a championship caliber team.

The organization made MJ quit in 93 and 98?

[Jasper]

1-13 :biggums: the guy isn’t a 3 level scorer there for not a star

they miss BALL(.)

[WhiteKyrie]

The organization made MJ quit in 93 and 98?

No he won three peat championships, got bored, no competition, father got killed and tried to play baseball. Then Krause in his ego broke up the team a season early after the second three peat. Has your favorite player ever three peated once yet?

[Smook A.]

People forget two things:

1. Lavine had major knee surgery in the offseason
2. He can still drop 50 easy if he decides to do so


For some reason people always disliked Zach even though he's a great guy, very fun to watch and can score in every possible way at an efficient rate. Its hard to understand.

Drop 50 "easy" :oldlol: Not the current LaVine no way

[HoopologyPhD]

Too bad there isn't a real man in the building like Thibs to put LaTrine in his place.

[PeroAntic]

Drop 50 "easy" :oldlol: Not the current LaVine no way

There is no difference between current Lavine and Lavine from last seasons... when he recovers from the injury he will be fine

[WhiteKyrie]

The man scored at historically high volume and efficiency for a guard before Derozan arrived, and all most people could comment on that was 'buh buh his defense". Now first time when he has a short dip (for which he has a legitimate excuse in the injury), all of a sudden hes not even a star. He is a USA national basketball team member, and there is no other guard who combines such athletic rim finishing and that elite of a three point shooting AT THE SAME TIME.

So yeah, gtfo with that 'not a star' bs. He was always underrated and will be back to his level again. And yeah if he wants to take over he can get 50, if he hogs the ball in the PnR Harden style. hes a deadly shooter.

Bro what the hell are you talking about?

2018 - 17/4/4 on 38% - 24 games
2019 - 24/5/5 on 47% - 63 games (Record 22-60)
2020 - 26/5/4 on 45% - 60 games (Record 22-43)
2021 - 27/5/5 on 51% - 58 games (Record 31-41)
2022 - 24/5/5 on 48% - 67 games

As a Bull 2018 - 2022
24/5/4 on 47%

When playing more than just 20 some odd games for the Chicago Bulls, as alpha dog and leader of the team, led Chicago to absolutely putrid records.

It’s not hard for a talented, good to very good player to put up numbers on a bad team. That doesn’t mean however they’re a winning basketball player. The proof is in the record he let us to before we got DeMar DeRozan.

And he also plays absolutely no defense, and at minimum is missing a bankable 20 games a year. He’s pretty good, but definitely not great. Stop overrating.

[Hey Yo]

No he won three peat championships, got bored, no competition, father got killed and tried to play baseball. Then Krause in his ego broke up the team a season early after the second three peat. Has your favorite player ever three peated once yet?

No competition yet felt the need to avg. 33fga in the 93 Finals.


Nothing kept MJ from signing a new deal in the summer of 98, other than him knowing there was no chance of contending in 99. So when going got tough, he quit the league again.

MJ ever win 4 titles and 4 FMVP over 10 consecutive seasons played?

[Real Men Wear Green]

No competition yet felt the need to avg. 33fga in the 93 Finals.


Nothing kept MJ from signing a new deal in the summer of 98, other than him knowing there was no chance of contending in 99. So when going got tough, he quit the league again.

MJ ever win 4 titles and 4 FMVP over 10 consecutive seasons played?
Do you really belie ve the bullshit you type? I hope you're just trolling.

[PeroAntic]

When playing more than just 20 some odd games for the Chicago Bulls, as alpha dog and leader of the team, led Chicago to absolutely putrid records.

That team was awful, I mean Markannen was the second option ffs.

[tontoz]

That team was awful, I mean Markannen was the second option ffs.

Markannen is currently the first option for the team with the best record in the West. :lol

[WhiteKyrie]

That team was awful, I mean Markannen was the second option ffs.

And Lavine couldn’t lift them because he’s a hollow superficial one dimensional scorer. That’s my point. He’s good but not great. And very one dimensional as a player.

[Hey Yo]

Do you really belie ve the bullshit you type? I hope you're just trolling.

So you believe that MJ quit in 93 due to zero competition? Did I miss where the Bulls practically swept their way through the ECF and the Finals?

What kept MJ from signing a new deal for the 99 season? Either he didn't cause Pip and Phil were gone (like coach claimed) or it was him claiming in his speech that he was spent physically and mentally. If he was truly spent, he wouldn't have comeback even if Pip and Phil stayed

[WhiteKyrie]

Team USA is #2 in the world after Lavine's run with the team. Not sure I'd bring that up. Let's talk Jabari? Where is he dominating at the moment?

They won gold in 2021, with a weak ass 3rd or 4th tier roster. The hell are you talking about numb nuts?

That’s with guys like Dame playing injured.


Too bad there isn't a real man in the building like Thibs to put LaTrine in his place.

Facts. Even though he burns talent out too quick. Doesn’t know how to pace and ramp up. Kind of a meathead.

[red1]

their only issue is defense


its so obvious too




they had a brief stretch early last year I caught many of the games - where they were dominant as a basketball team - it's because they were good on both sides of the ball


considering their roster I would say the bulls are still an offensively talented team but they lost their elite perimeter defense from when they had caruso and lonzo both on the court - these guys are both relatively small but they are both athletic and fast with their hands so they can give the elite teams in the league a hard time who all have some type of dynamic elite player on the wings at the 2 and 3 slots



I think they even led the league in steals with zo and caruso

[Xiao Yao You]

That team was awful, I mean Markannen was the second option ffs.

Lauri is one of the best players in the league right now. Don't think he was the problem!

[BarberSchool]

The man scored at historically high volume and efficiency for a guard before Derozan arrived, and all most people could comment on that was 'buh buh his defense". Now first time when he has a short dip (for which he has a legitimate excuse in the injury), all of a sudden hes not even a star. He is a USA national basketball team member, and there is no other guard who combines such athletic rim finishing and that elite of a three point shooting AT THE SAME TIME.

So yeah, gtfo with that 'not a star' bs. He was always underrated and will be back to his level again.THIS AF.

Bump this thread later in the season once the surgery knee is feeling 100% again, and he can confidently and comfortable display that rare combo of elite athletic quickness to the rim and finishing over bigs, and elite 3pt shooting both set and off the bounce.