Expectations for Wizards MJ were low because we knew he was washed

[Ne 1]

MJ was done after 13 seasons and everyone knew it. OTOH, our expectations for Bron are still high in year 20 because he’s the greatest player ever.

MJ averaging 20 ppg on 44% and missing the playoffs wasn’t that bad because we expected him to be terrible.

Bron averaging 25/9/6 through 13 games is unacceptable and he needs to be better! This isn’t GOAT performance in year 20.

[nineiron]

MJ was done after 13 seasons and everyone knew it. OTOH, our expectations for Bron are still high in year 20 because he’s the greatest player ever.

MJ averaging 20 ppg on 44% and missing the playoffs wasn’t that bad because we expected him to be terrible.

Bron averaging 25/9/6 through 13 games is unacceptable and he needs to be better! This isn’t GOAT performance in year 20.

TLDR, but i'm sure it can be summed up with this:

https://media.tenor.com/QD_QzEJsGEIAAAAC/dawson-crying.gif

[RRR3]

LeBron looks pretty washed he’s just shooting a lot.

[LeGoat4Life]

Lebron missed the play in tournament with an all star stacked teammates and only won 33 games despite being completely healthy :oldlol:

[Airupthere]

1. The game is easier for bron to put up numbers at a later age.
2. It's not expectations, it's all the shit that he's done and continues to do that are biting him in the back.

[StrongLurk]

OP is speaking the truth.

But if Lebron plays at this level all year, then his expectations for next year will definitely drop. He's basically playing the worse he ever has besides his rookie year.

[Spurs m8]

What a meltdown :roll:

[3ba11]

MJ was done after 13 seasons and everyone knew it. OTOH, our expectations for Bron are still high in year 20 because he’s the greatest player ever.

MJ averaging 20 ppg on 44% and missing the playoffs wasn’t that bad because we expected him to be terrible.

Bron averaging 25/9/6 through 13 games is unacceptable and he needs to be better! This isn’t GOAT performance in year 20.


That's nothing in this era.. 25/9/6 on worst-ever efficiency results in lower production rate relative to peers than 39 and 40-year Jordan, aka lower PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, plus/minus

[2much_knowledge]

Op doesnt have any clue what hes talking about but ill let him stay dumb for now

[Full Court]

Low-IQ OP in typical damage control mode.

Wizards Jordan was significantly better than Lebron is this year. AND he was older.

Suck on that, Bronie fluffer.

[WhiteKyrie]

Low-IQ OP in typical damage control mode.

Wizards Jordan was significantly better than Lebron is this year. AND he was older.

Suck on that, Bronie fluffer.
Yea, Mike played defense and had actual impact on winning. With minimal at best talent around him.

LeBron has been fluffed numbers with no impact for the past 2 seasons. Playing with actual talent. First round exit, and no playoffs at all.

He hasn’t been the best player in basketball since 2017 - 2018 season.

He was top 5 in 2020.

Top 10 in 2021 and 2022.

Maybe Top 15 this year?

[Airupthere]

For bransexuals, Jahidi White >>> AD and Whitney >>> Westbrook

[dankok8]

That's nothing in this era.. 25/9/6 on worst-ever efficiency results in lower production rate relative to peers than 39 and 40-year Jordan, aka lower PER, WS/48, BPM, VORP, plus/minus

This is actually a good point for once. 25/9/6 in this era is a far lesser statline than what it was in 2002. And yes rate stats like PER that compare to a league average player actually do a good job painting that picture.

With that being said I think current Lebron seems to be on a cold shooting streak. He may get considerably better when he starts hitting threes. He cannot explode to the rim the way he used to but if he's making outside shots that defenses have to respect, then his driving lines will open up and he can exert that gravity and up his playmaking impact. I still think he's a top 10 player in the league. Less than a quarter of the season has passed and way too early to make conclusions about his play IMO. The Lakers are also on an upswing and could end up contending for a title this year.

[Xiao Yao You]

This is actually a good point for once. 25/9/6 in this era is a far lesser statline than what it was in 2002. And yes rate stats like PER that compare to a league average player actually do a good job painting that picture.

With that being said I think current Lebron seems to be on a cold shooting streak. He may get considerably better when he starts hitting threes. He cannot explode to the rim the way he used to but if he's making outside shots that defenses have to respect, then his driving lines will open up and he can exert that gravity and up his playmaking impact. I still think he's a top 10 player in the league. Less than a quarter of the season has passed and way too early to make conclusions about his play IMO. The Lakers are also on an upswing and could end up contending for a title this year.

shouldn't top 10 players be winning games?

[Hey Yo]

Low-IQ OP in typical damage control mode.

Wizards Jordan was significantly better than Lebron is this year. AND he was older.

Suck on that, Bronie fluffer.

Chose to take 19yrs to play 15 seasons.

Consecutive seasons >>>>> quitting twice.

[WhiteKyrie]

Chose to take 19yrs to play 15 seasons.

Consecutive seasons >>>>> quitting twice.

Retiring twice, whether due to being forced out, or the boredom of winning, no challenges, trying to play another professional sport competitively, and then come back is much more difficult than just playing continuously. I know you’re a LeBron fan, so your IQ is rather limited, but this is just facts

[Axe]

Retiring twice, whether due to being forced out, or the boredom of winning, no challenges, trying to play another professional sport competitively, and then come back is much more difficult than just playing continuously. I know you’re a LeBron fan, so your IQ is rather limited, but this is just facts
So how did the bulls do during his absence/suspension near the mid-90s?

[Airupthere]

Retiring twice, whether due to being forced out, or the boredom of winning, no challenges, trying to play another professional sport competitively, and then come back is much more difficult than just playing continuously. I know you’re a LeBron fan, so your IQ is rather limited, but this is just facts

In their world, getting out of shape and losing the instincts that allow one to play at the highest level while being away from the sport for 2-3years does not exist. They make it sound like MJ took a lot of short vacations off.

[WhiteKyrie]

In their world, getting out of shape and losing the instincts that allow one to play at the highest level while being away from the sport for 2-3years does not exist. They make it sound like MJ took a lot of short vacations off.

Which proves people enamored with LeBron is for his physique and not his skill set as a player … and they definitely never played at any level themselves otherwise they’d understand this

[Hey Yo]

In their world, getting out of shape and losing the instincts that allow one to play at the highest level while being away from the sport for 2-3years does not exist. They make it sound like MJ took a lot of short vacations off.

Playing minor league baseball is basically taking a vacation. He stood in the outfield with his thumb up his ass. Then wait on the bench till it was time for him to strikeout. Then get on the luxury bus he had restored with tv's and a full bar.

Definitely can see how it took a major toll on his body.

:durantunimpressed:

[3ba11]

The 2001 Wizards won 18 games, while the 2021 Lakers were the preseason favorite - so that's why the expectations are different.

Jordan had young Rip Hamilton and Popeye Jones, while Lebron has AD and Westbrook.

Yet only Jordan met expectation by winning 18 more games in 2002 (37 wins), while Lebron failed expectation every year.

[Hey Yo]

Nets were the preseason favorites for 2021.


Lies from you as usual

[Bawkish]

So how did the bulls do during his absence/suspension near the mid-90s?

From 3peat to 2nd round exit

[Axe]

From 3peat to 2nd round exit
Still impressive versus the other way around. :applause:

[GimmeThat]

when everybody is considered, expectations are just expectations

[Baller789]

Still impressive versus the other way around. :applause:

First time seeing someone impressed with a championship 3-peat team regressing to a second round exit.

[Axe]

So how did jordan do without pippen again?

[SATAN]

Thread cliffs

[Baller789]

So how did jordan do without pippen again?

Hey man, its all cool if you are impressed by trivial things like that. Thats your standard.

[Axe]

Can't even answer a trivial question? Ok bub.

[StrongLurk]

The 2001 Wizards won 18 games, while the 2021 Lakers were the preseason favorite - so that's why the expectations are different.

Jordan had young Rip Hamilton and Popeye Jones, while Lebron has AD and Westbrook.

Yet only Jordan met expectation by winning 18 more games in 2002 (37 wins), while Lebron failed expectation every year.

The 01 and 02 Wizards were very different teams. Jordan still played very solid given his age...but it's not like it was just him being added to the 01 Wizards...

01 Wizards lost Juwan Howard, Mitch Richmond, Rod Strickland, and Courtney Alexander (4 of the top 5 scorers). The 01 Wizard were also ravaged with injuries. If anything, the 01 Wizards played worse than the should have due to their best players missing a ton of games. So really if they were healthy, the 01 Wizards probably win 40+ games instead of 18.

[Baller789]

Can't even answer a trivial question? Ok bub.
Well thats a pretty dishonest question Axe. And you know it. :lol

But to answer your misleading question, he was bounced in the first round a couple of times without the almighty Pippen.

Although that only shows Mike cant elevate a scrub team because in 98, he lead that old Bulls team with a hobbled Pippen to the joint top seed and to the championship. That version of Pippen was not the great Scott Pippen :lol

[Airupthere]

Well thats a pretty dishonest question Axe. And you know it. :lol

But to answer your misleading question, he was bounced in the first round a couple of times without the almighty Pippen.

Although that only shows Mike cant elevate a scrub team because in 98, he lead that old Bulls team with a hobbled Pippen to the joint top seed and to the championship. That version of Pippen was not the great Scott Pippen :lol

Had they not won in 98 for the second 3peat, hobbled pip would have been a recurring and convenient excuse if the jordan fans have the brantard mentality of making excuses for bron. Ala 2014 finals.

But, mj did not let that happen. Two 3peats when bron couldnt even get one with handpicked teammates.

[Baller789]

Had they not won in 98 for the second 3peat, hobbled pip would have been a recurring and convenient excuse if the jordan fans have the brantard mentality of making excuses for bron. Ala 2014 finals.

But, mj did not let that happen. Two 3peats when bron couldnt even get one with handpicked teammates.

It only shows, and this is pretty consistent, once Mike had a good enough team, he was practically guaranteed a championship.

Bron on the other hand wins only 40% of the time and has a dozen excuses for the majority.

[Axe]

Calls it 'dishonest' only because it doesn't fit her agenda at all. Lmfao.

[Full Court]

Wizards: Worse when Jordan was out injured.

Lakers: Better when Bronie is out injured.

Lebron: LVP (least valuable player)

Truth hurts.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wizards: Worse when Jordan was out injured.

Lakers: Better when Bronie is out injured.

Lebron: LVP (least valuable player)

Truth hurts.
Grizzlies: 70 win pace without him. huge sample size

You: "MVP"


:lol

[Baller789]

Calls it 'dishonest' only because it doesn't fit her agenda at all. Lmfao.

Dont pretend you dont know what youre asking. :hammerhead:

Your lack of rebuttal on my response is very telling...

[Axe]

he was bounced in the first round a couple of times without the almighty Pippen.

Although that only shows Mike cant elevate a scrub team because in 98, he lead that old Bulls team with a hobbled Pippen to the joint top seed and to the championship. That version of Pippen was not the great Scott Pippen :lol
So jordan never had any winning seasons nor series wins in the playoffs without him. Got it.

[Baller789]

So jordan never had any winning seasons nor series wins in the playoffs without him. Got it.

Thank you for proving my point. Took you long enough to pull out your agenda laden question.

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

I remember 3ball using PER as an argument for Wizards Jordan being better than current LeBron.

Well, this year LeBron currently has a higher PER than any Wizards MJ season. :lol

[Baller789]

I remember 3ball using PER as an argument for Wizards Jordan being better than current LeBron.

Well, this year LeBron currently has a higher PER than any Wizards MJ season. :lol

The premise is correct that nobody expected much of Jordan because they knew he wouldnt be the same player.

Now contrast that with certain Bronies saying hes still the best player in the NBA now. Pure comedy.

[Axe]

Meanwhile, pip had greater success in the playoffs with more teams without his first option bt. :bowdown:

[1987_Lakers]

The premise is correct that nobody expected much of Jordan because they knew he wouldnt be the same player.

Now contrast that with certain Bronies saying hes still the best player in the NBA now. Pure comedy.

No sane fan thinks LeBron is the best player in the NBA right now.

Your obsession with him has you melting down whenever obvious trolls make those statements.

Get it together.

[Baller789]

No sane fan thinks LeBron is the best player in the NBA right now.

Your obsession with him has you melting down whenever obvious trolls make those statements.

Get it together.

I'm melting down? Hilarious :lol

Well why dont you call out those trolls then?

[Baller789]

Meanwhile, pip had greater success in the playoffs with more teams without his first option bt. :bowdown:

Were Mike's teams with no Pip better than those Pippen teams w/o Mike?

[1987_Lakers]

I'm melting down? Hilarious :lol

You clearly are.

[Baller789]

You clearly are.

Of course jack :oldlol:

[Baller789]

Meanwhile, pip had greater success in the playoffs with more teams without his first option bt. :bowdown:


Were Mike's teams with no Pip better than those Pippen teams w/o Mike?

The great Axe got dead ended again. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Baller still melting down

[1987_Lakers]

Were Mike's teams with no Pip better than those Pippen teams w/o Mike?

No, look at the 2000 Blazers

[8Ball]

MJ was done after 13 seasons and everyone knew it. OTOH, our expectations for Bron are still high in year 20 because he’s the greatest player ever.

MJ averaging 20 ppg on 44% and missing the playoffs wasn’t that bad because we expected him to be terrible.

Bron averaging 25/9/6 through 13 games is unacceptable and he needs to be better! This isn’t GOAT performance in year 20.

Year 20 Bron >>> year 15 Jordan
38 year old Bron >>> 38 year old Jordan.

38 year old Bron still good for all-nba 3rd team. And might get 2nd team if Lakers end up better record than the Nets.

[8Ball]

LeBron looks pretty washed he’s just shooting a lot.

Washed? He's 3rd team All-nba behind Durant / Giannis / Tatum who are having monster seasons.

[8Ball]

Baller still melting down

What did you guys do to 3ball while I was on vacation? His leash much shorter and he went full Kenny.

[1987_Lakers]

What did you guys do to 3ball while I was on vacation? His leash much shorter and he went full Kenny.

Mods finally had enough of his shit I guess. Everytime he makes a repeated thread he gets banned, lol.

[Axe]

Baller still melting down
She and her horny boyfriend actually do their lousy shtick everyday. This board would be in a much better place without those two idiots. :lol

[Baller789]

No, look at the 2000 Blazers

Vs which Pippenless Jordan team?

[Baller789]

Vs which Pippenless Jordan team?

Gee 1987 sure went quiet again.

[John8204]

Had they not won in 98 for the second 3peat, hobbled pip would have been a recurring and convenient excuse if the jordan fans have the brantard mentality of making excuses for bron. Ala 2014 finals.

But, mj did not let that happen. Two 3peats when bron couldnt even get one with handpicked teammates.

MJ played in an era where you built a team around a star you didn't have these super teams coming together every season. Also this idea that MJ didn't hand pick his teammates is absurd he had the #1 pick in the draft and borderline 30PPG second option in Jerry Stackhouse and he grabbed Oakley and Laetner to back him up in Washington. I think every player on that roster was better when they weren't playing with Jordan

[Axe]

MJ played in an era where you built a team around a star you didn't have these super teams coming together every season. Also this idea that MJ didn't hand pick his teammates is absurd he had the #1 pick in the draft and borderline 30PPG second option in Jerry Stackhouse and he grabbed Oakley and Laetner to back him up in Washington. I think every player on that roster was better when they weren't playing with Jordan
Lol he only made the playoffs with one team and that was because jerry krause formed one of the greatest dynasties ever.

[John8204]

Lol he only made the playoffs with one team and that was because jerry krause formed one of the greatest dynasties ever.

Well the dynasty existed for several reasons but the big ones..

1. Len Bias died
2. Magic Johnson got Aids
3. Larry Bird hurt his back
4. Isiah Thomas got hurt
5. Orlando Magic picked Penny over Webber
6. Pippen signed a bad contract early
7. Barkley got moved to a noncontender
8. Dennis Rodman melted down in San Antonio
9. Jordan didn't have to play against international competition
10. They changed the rules to make the game softer

And I'm not a Jordan hater he's the GOAT but I don't think he would have been successful in any other era. He had a lot of things break his way to get those six rings.

[BigShotBob]

Well the dynasty existed for several reasons but the big ones..

1. Len Bias died
2. Magic Johnson got Aids
3. Larry Bird hurt his back
4. Isiah Thomas got hurt
5. Orlando Magic picked Penny over Webber
6. Pippen signed a bad contract early
7. Barkley got moved to a noncontender
8. Dennis Rodman melted down in San Antonio
9. Jordan didn't have to play against international competition
10. They changed the rules to make the game softer

And I'm not a Jordan hater he's the GOAT but I don't think he would have been successful in any other era. He had a lot of things break his way to get those six rings.

1) Doesn't matter
2) Doesn't matter he lost to MJ in the Finals
3) Wouldn't have beaten the Bulls anyways since they were peaking
4) Read #3
5) Penny was a much better fit than Chris Webber would have been
6) He would have been traded for Shawn Kemp anyways
7) Suns went to the Finals and lost to MJ idk why you're trolling
8) Literally no team wanted him other than the Bulls
9) Literally means nothing try again
10) Literally not true and if you want to run with it then that invalidates EVERY era that comes after

MJ would be more successful in any era other era especially ones that came after and favored perimeter players. Imagine if MJ played now and he could have Kevon Looney, Kyrie, Derrick White, Al Horford, or Lonnie Walker, etc etc switched onto him :oldlol:

[Axe]

Well the dynasty existed for several reasons but the big ones..

1. Len Bias died
2. Magic Johnson got Aids
3. Larry Bird hurt his back
4. Isiah Thomas got hurt
5. Orlando Magic picked Penny over Webber
6. Pippen signed a bad contract early
7. Barkley got moved to a noncontender
8. Dennis Rodman melted down in San Antonio
9. Jordan didn't have to play against international competition
10. They changed the rules to make the game softer

And I'm not a Jordan hater he's the GOAT but I don't think he would have been successful in any other era. He had a lot of things break his way to get those six rings.
I see your point but you forgot one thing tho; the expansion era.

[BigShotBob]

I see your point but you forgot one thing tho; the expansion era.

Expansion era brought Penny and Shaq, Alonzo to Charolette, etc.

And we're still in the expansion era now

[Axe]

I'm not talking to you, dumb dumb.

[Baller789]

I'm not talking to you, dumb dumb.

Damn Axe are you on your period?

[Axe]

Period? Sounds a lot like you following me around like an obsessed lunatic. :oldlol:

[Baller789]

Period? Sounds a lot like you following me around like an obsessed lunatic. :oldlol:

Well if it isnt that time of the month why u so emotional?

[Axe]

Says the obsessed slut who sorely lacks self-awareness. :sleeping

[Baller789]

Says the obsessed slut who sorely lacks self-awareness. :sleeping

I'm confused.

Why are you describing yourself again?

[Axe]

See, her self-awareness is compromised because she became too fixated on me. :ohwell:

[Baller789]

See, her self-awareness is compromised because she became too fixated on me. :ohwell:

Of course I'm fixated on the ugliest boy in class. :oldlol:

[Axe]

Two-minute differential. :sleeping

[Baller789]

Two-minute differential. :sleeping

Your responses are getting stale and repetetive. Move on ombre :lol

[Axe]

Ms. asperger really can't help but whine itt. :roll:

[Baller789]

You like hamburgers Axe?

[Axe]

Still yapping i see.

[Baller789]

I'm not talking to you, dumb dumb.


Damn Axe are you on your period?


Still yapping i see.

Period confirmed. Thank you for playing.

Bye! :applause:

[Axe]

Like i said, i wasn't wrong at all when i said she's still yapping like a bitch. :confusedshrug:

:roll:

[Lebron23]

Wizards Jordan stinks.

[SATAN]

It's true. No one expected much from Wizards MJ. He clearly wasn't going to be the same as Bulls MJ. It's not a big deal. I was kinda glad he still liked playing enough to end it in that manner.

[Baller789]

It's true. No one expected much from Wizards MJ. He clearly wasn't going to be the same as Bulls MJ. It's not a big deal. I was kinda glad he still liked playing enough to end it in that manner.

100% agreed.

[Round Mound]

I don't think he was washed he just didn't have the rythm. He didn't play for 3 years pro. That's why his shooting was poorer. Imagine if MJ kept playing from 98 to 2003 he would have played better and have better numbers and more success team wise. MJ is the best player and its not close.