Peak Porzingis is the best player in the league

[90sgoat]

There's a reason he was called The Unicorn.

Peak Porzingis is better than Luka in terms of impact, always was.

Zingis could block a shot on defense, run the floor and hit a lagging 3, for a big 5 point swing.

Then hit another 3 on the next play. That's game winning swings. Zingis did that for Mavs and does that for Bullets.

No other player in the league can do that, except for a very few like Kevin Durant.

He's not consistent enough but he's easily one of the most dominant players in the league when its on.

Mavs and Luka did him wrong. White on white crime is never ok.

[Xiao Yao You]

:roll:

[tontoz]

No, he really isn't. He is heavily dependent on his jumper, which is just ok. He shoots low 40s from midrange. For his career he shoots 35.5% from 3.He doesn't get to the rim very often.

Defensively he is respectable at protecting the rim when he is there but his rotations can be slow or just bad at times.

The only thing special about him is his height. He is better than average but not special. I can't see any scenario when he is 2nd team All NBA. Even third team would be a reach. I see him as a borderline All-Star when healthy.

[RRR3]

When Toody guards him maybe.

[Xiao Yao You]

can't quit me

[90sgoat]

The only thing special about him is his height. He is better than average but not special. I can't see any scenario when he is 2nd team All NBA. Even third team would be a reach. I see him as a borderline All-Star when healthy.

Zingis is one of the best defenders in the league when healthy.

Zingis only allows 62% from 0-5%, 32% from 5-9 feet, 48% from 10-14 and 42% from 14-19 feet.

Comparison Gobert: 58%, 45%, 48% and 34%

Embiid: 65%, 40%, 43% and 47%.

Those numbers show that Porzingis is basically a big time rim protector. Not only does he block shots, but he also deters them. He is basically the best big man (after Nick Claxton) in that 5-9 feet range and he is also very adept at chasing down 3 pointers.

Source: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/opponent-shooting?CF=Less%20Than%205%20ft.%20FGA*GE*300&PerMode=Totals&dir=A&sort=5-9%20ft.%20FG%20PCT

[Real Men Wear Green]

*from Latvia

[90sgoat]

So why he can't showcase his talent in playoffs like Luka or Jokic?

He played well in the bubble games before he got injured.

[CurryOverLebron]

Didnt Clippers do to him what they did to Gobert and guard him with smaller players. He couldn't do anything because he's not athletic and wiggly like AD or thick and strong like Jokic.

[90sgoat]

Didnt Clippers do to him what they did to Gobert and guard him with smaller players. He couldn't do anything because he's not athletic and wiggly like AD or thick and strong like Luka and Jokic.

If so it wasn't successful, he averaged 24/9 with 53% from 3, but got injured before Game 4.

Was never himself the next season and that obviously led to Luka freezing him out, because he barely tolerated him when he played well.

[Axe]

40 points over baguette.

[fourkicks44]

Joel Embiid is infinitely better than peak Porzingis and can do all those things you mentioned, gramps.

[90sgoat]

Joel Embiid is infinitely better than peak Porzingis and can do all those things you mentioned, gramps.

Except he can't.

He is a significantly worse defender.

Embiid's quite pathetic as a defender for someone his size.

[fourkicks44]

Except he can't.

He is a significantly worse defender.

Embiid's quite pathetic as a defender for someone his size.

I don't need to debate with you because your arguments are ridiculous.

Go watch the last quarter of the Sixers' game against Atlanta last night, Embiid won the game, he brought Philadelphia back from double digits scored 12 points straight in the fourth and got the stops on the other end as well.

Go watch it..

I DARE YOU

[Xiao Yao You]

Zingis is one of the best defenders in the league when healthy.

Zingis only allows 62% from 0-5%, 32% from 5-9 feet, 48% from 10-14 and 42% from 14-19 feet.

Comparison Gobert: 58%, 45%, 48% and 34%

Embiid: 65%, 40%, 43% and 47%.

Those numbers show that Porzingis is basically a big time rim protector. Not only does he block shots, but he also deters them. He is basically the best big man (after Nick Claxton) in that 5-9 feet range and he is also very adept at chasing down 3 pointers.

Source: https://www.nba.com/stats/players/opponent-shooting?CF=Less%20Than%205%20ft.%20FGA*GE*300&PerMode=Totals&dir=A&sort=5-9%20ft.%20FG%20PCT

Gobert's numbers are way down this year so far with his new team

[FultzNationRISE]

I get OP’s point, it’s the same reason Wembanyama is considered an all-time prospect. If they do everything a person at that size theoretically COULD do, it’s pretty hard to top.

In reality however Porzingis isnt consistent enough as a shooter to be anywhere near the BITW label. He’s not much of a playmaker or rebounder either (hes not inadequate in those respects but isnt exceptional).

He’s a nice player. A streaky scorer and strong rim protector. But he’s not at his ‘peak’ often enough for that to really factor into anything meaningful.

[Xiao Yao You]

I get OP’s point, it’s the same reason Wembanyama is considered an all-time prospect. If they do everything a person at that size theoretically COULD do, it’s pretty hard to top.

In reality however Porzingis isnt consistent enough as a shooter to be anywhere near the BITW label. He’s not much of a playmaker or rebounder either (hes not inadequate in those respects but isnt exceptional).

He’s a nice player. A streaky scorer and strong rim protector. But he’s not at his ‘peak’ often enough for that to really factor into anything meaningful.

let's not forget he hasn't played even 60 games since his 2nd year in the league

[Axe]

Gobert's numbers are way down this year so far with his new team
So whose fault is it?

[Xiao Yao You]

So whose fault is it?

you tell me. Obviously he needs to score a lot more right?

[90sgoat]

I get OP’s point, it’s the same reason Wembanyama is considered an all-time prospect. If they do everything a person at that size theoretically COULD do, it’s pretty hard to top.

In reality however Porzingis isnt consistent enough as a shooter to be anywhere near the BITW label. He’s not much of a playmaker or rebounder either (hes not inadequate in those respects but isnt exceptional).

He’s a nice player. A streaky scorer and strong rim protector. But he’s not at his ‘peak’ often enough for that to really factor into anything meaningful.

Yeah, the point is, this kind of player is the unicorn, the theoretically ultimate player.

Someone like Giannis is also in this group, almost as long practically on defense due to athleticism and also a swing player, except you might get a layup and an and-1.

Which is why I understand Wemba hype, but then again, most likely he's ... Porzingis, but with worse shooting.

[tontoz]

Yeah, the point is, this kind of player is the unicorn, the theoretically ultimate player.

Someone like Giannis is also in this group, almost as long practically on defense due to athleticism and also a swing player, except you might get a layup and an and-1.

Which is why I understand Wemba hype, but then again, most likely he's ... Porzingis, but with worse shooting.


Again you are overestimating KPs shooting. For his career he shoots low 40s from midrange and 35.5% from 3. There is nothing special about his shot.

He doesn't get to the rim much and isn't that creative off the dribble.

[90sgoat]

Again you are overestimating KPs shooting. For his career he shoots low 40s from midrange and 35.5% from 3. There is nothing special about his shot.

He doesn't get to the rim much and isn't that creative off the dribble.

He's about 38% from 3 when healthy, but he suffers from taking too many bad shots. Would have benefited from better coaching in Knicks imo. That was a shitshow situation he was in there.

[tontoz]

He's about 38% from 3 when healthy, but he suffers from taking too many bad shots. Would have benefited from better coaching in Knicks imo. That was a shitshow situation he was in there.


Nobody is healthy all the time. You need to stop pretending he is a taller version of KD. He at least one tier below KD.

Playing the nets now the contrast is obvious. KD can shoot off the move in any situation and convert at a high rate. KP can't.

[90sgoat]

Zingis has been made right.

Luka has been punished for freezing out Zingis.