ESPN: pippen says his weak jumpshooting & spacing ability caused bad fit w/ hakeem

[3ba11]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s


So Pippen is admitting that he can't win as the sidekick to centers like Hakeem, Shaq or Robinson, since they need Horry (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499833-Comparing-Pippen-s-6-Finals-performances-to-peak-Horry-performance-(95-Finals)) to space the floor and would crater with a lane-clogger like Pippen.

This thread is for reference purposes to document the historical record.

Pippen averaged 14 on 40% alongside Hakeem one year after averaging 20 on decent efficiency alongside MJ...

Additionally - similar to centers, spotty-shooting ball-dominators need spacing too since they rely on driving lanes more than shooting over defenses, aka Lebron, Luka, Westbrook - so Pippen can only fit with expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ, or Bird that don't need spacing because they can shoot over defenses - he cannot fit with anyone else (centers or ball-dominators that need spacing).

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[3ba11]

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on your bike as usual

speaks volumes

confirms the irrefutability of the historical record

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[97 bulls]

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s


So Pippen is admitting that he can't win as the sidekick to centers like Hakeem, Shaq or Robinson, since they need Horry to space the floor and would crater with a lane-clogger like Pippen.

This thread is for reference purposes to document the historical record.

Pippen averaged 14 on 40% alongside Hakeem just one year after averaging 20 on decent efficiency alongside MJ...

Similar to centers, spotty-shooting ball-dominators need spacing too since they rely on driving lanes more than shooting over defenses, aka Lebron, Luka, Westbrook - so Pippen can only fit with expert jumpshooters like Curry, MJ, or Bird that don't need spacing because they can shoot over defenses - he cannot fit with anyone else (centers or ball-dominators that need spacing).

Whoop-de-damn-doo.

Pippen wasn't a great 3pt shooter. That's goes for many alltime greats.

[kawhileonard2]

Glad he admitted it.

[SouBeachTalents]

Glad he admitted it.
Unlike you, who can't admit you're jordansbulls

[Xiao Yao You]

Whoop-de-damn-doo.

Pippen wasn't a great 3pt shooter. That's goes for many alltime greats.

wasn't a great shooter period

[3ba11]

Whoop-de-damn-doo.

Pippen wasn't a great 3pt shooter. That's goes for many alltime greats.


It matters because it means that Pippen wouldn't have won as the sidekick to centers like Ewing because Ewing needs elite shooting help like Starks, while Hakeem/Shaq/Robinson needed shooters like Horry, Cassell, Fisher, Fox, and other great shooters surrounding them..

Pippen says that his fit is like Westbrick, aka Westbrook's bad fit with Harden!!!... He literally admits that in the clip, aka he can't fit with guys that need spacing help like centers or ball-dominators (hakeem or harden)

It's funny because Lebron is only capable of MVP or a contending team/league favorite with elite spacing help - he wouldn't win 66 with Pippen like he did with Mo - Mo's elite spacing help vaulted Lebron's stiff-arm and team to MVP level

[97 bulls]

It matters because it means that Pippen wouldn't have won as the sidekick to centers like Ewing because Ewing needs elite shooting help like Starks, while Hakeem/Shaq/Robinson needed shooters like Horry, Cassell, Fisher, Fox, and other great shooters surrounding them..

Pippen says that his fit is like Westbrick, aka Westbrook's bad fit with Harden!!!... He literally admits that in the clip, aka he can't fit with guys that need spacing help like centers or ball-dominators (hakeem or harden)

It's funny because Lebron is only capable of MVP or a contending team/league favorite with elite spacing help - he wouldn't win 66 with Pippen like he did with Mo - Mo's elite spacing help vaulted Lebron's stiff-arm and team to MVP level

I think you're missing the point. Pippens problem in Houston was that he was relegated to ONLY being a 3pt shooter.

In a Pippen/Ewing combo, the team would probably be best served to play like the Showtime Lakers did. Push the ball up the court fast to look for easy opportunities, then go in to the big and set screens and cut to the basket.

The Rockets offense was nothing more than drop the ball into the post and the other guys waited for double team at the 3pt line.

[kawhileonard2]

Unlike you, who can't admit you're jordansbulls

Who is that? Please lets focus on this site. You worried about another site go there and post.

[SouBeachTalents]

Who is that? Please lets focus on this site. You worried about another site go there and post.
How did you know he was from another site if you don't know who that is?

[Reggie43]

I know expectations were high but Olajuwon was way past his prime for them to have won anything even though Pippen could have handled/played better and not whine his way out of Houston. The narrative then was he was the ultimate glue guy/ smart all around player that could have played with anyone or any style of play which was proven false when his stint with the Rockets crashed and burned lol

[RRR3]

How did you know he was from another site if you don't know who that is?
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[3ba11]

I think you're missing the point. Pippens problem in Houston was that he was relegated to ONLY being a 3pt shooter.

In a Pippen/Ewing combo, the team would probably be best served to play like the Showtime Lakers did. Push the ball up the court fast to look for easy opportunities, then go in to the big and set screens and cut to the basket.

The Rockets offense was nothing more than drop the ball into the post and the other guys waited for double team at the 3pt line.


The Showtime Lakers style required an all-time floor general that could average 10-15 assists

So maybe the 10-assist guys like Stockton, Payton, KJ or Tim Hardaway could manage it, but Pippen was a 5-assist guy and had the worst passing, efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), clutch and spacing of any 90's sidekick

Ultimately, centers like Hakeem and Ewing need spacing like Starks and Horry - Pippen cannot provide that as he stated in the video to Rachel Nichols, so he couldn't win with centers and obviously can't provide spacing for the drives of ball-dominators either.. He can only play with expert jumpshooters like MJ since he can shoot over defenses and didn't need elite spacing to be capable of MVP or a title team

[Xiao Yao You]

The Showtime Lakers style required an all-time floor general that could average 10-15 assists

So maybe the 10-assist guys like Stockton, Payton, KJ or Tim Hardaway could manage it, but Pippen was a 5-assist guy and had the worst passing, efficiency, clutch and spacing of any 90's sidekick

Pippen is a rich man's Michael Cooper on those Lakers

[kawhileonard2]

How did you know he was from another site if you don't know who that is?

Because he isn't from here. Or she for that matter.

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[3ba11]

Pippen is a rich man's Michael Cooper on those Lakers


Cooper was actually the Lakers' primary floor-spreader along with Byron Scott - Cooper shot 35% on 2.2 attempts from 84-90'

So no.. Just like Pippen said the video, he couldn't provide the spacing that centers like Kareem need, or the spacing that Magic needed for his drives.

But he would be a Cooper-like utility man and role player, not a featured player or option.. he played that role in Portland where everyone was a better scorer than him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=04m26s)

Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside the goat scorer, otherwise it's hard to find teams where he could be the 2nd-best scorer and certainly not alongside a center that needs spacing just like Pippen said himself..

Ultimately, he was nothing outside the dynasty system that he grew up in (system player), and he had the worst passing, efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), clutch and spacing of any notable 90's sidekick.

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Unlike you, who can't admit you're jordansbulls
Damn.

[97 bulls]

Cooper was actually the Lakers' primary floor-spreader along with Byron Scott - Cooper shot 35% on 2.2 attempts from 84-90'

So no.. Just like Pippen said the video, he couldn't provide the spacing that centers like Kareem need, or the spacing that Magic needed for his drives.

But he would be a Cooper-like utility man and role player, not a featured player or option.. he played that role in Portland where everyone was a better scorer than him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=04m26s)

Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside the goat scorer, otherwise it's hard to find teams where he could be the 2nd-best scorer and certainly not alongside a center that needs spacing just like Pippen said himself..

Ultimately, he was nothing outside the dynasty system that he grew up in (system player), and he had the worst passing, efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), clutch and spacing of any notable 90's sidekick.

The Lakers didn't run the same offense as Houston. Do you want to have a conversation or just believe what you want to believe?

You keep omitting the fact that these teams run entirely different offenses. Magic didn't even shoot threes when the Lakers were making their championship runs.

Put Pippen in an open uptempo offense as the PG and I don't see why he'd be much different from Magic. Remember, he spent most of his prime playing in an offense focused on everyone making plays.

[97 bulls]

I know expectations were high but Olajuwon was way past his prime for them to have won anything even though Pippen could have handled/played better and not whine his way out of Houston. The narrative then was he was the ultimate glue guy/ smart all around player that could have played with anyone or any style of play which was proven false when his stint with the Rockets crashed and burned lol

Glue guy meant he was a good teammate. The do everything title was guve. Because he was good at almost all facets if basketball. But that don't mean he's gonna be good in all situations. The same holds true for all players. The Rockets never maximized Pippens skillset.

[Reggie43]

Glue guy meant he was a good teammate. The do everything title was guve. Because he was good at almost all facets if basketball. But that don't mean he's gonna be good in all situations. The same holds true for all players. The Rockets never maximized Pippens skillset.

Yeah both sides definitely has their faults.

[Axe]

Glue guy meant he was a good teammate. The do everything title was guve. Because he was good at almost all facets if basketball. But that don't mean he's gonna be good in all situations. The same holds true for all players. The Rockets never maximized Pippens skillset.
And they still made the playoffs with him. :pimp:

[Reggie43]

And they still made the playoffs with him. :pimp:

That team was one of the early season favorites to win it all. They would have made the playoffs even if they never maximized their talents.