James got so lucky to win his second title

[Bacchus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N51OKIZEkQE

[coastalmarker99]

You forget that he was incredibly unlucky in 2015 and 2021 so it basically evens out.


The 2021 team had a 21 and 6 record through 27 games and were up two one on the Suns with an injured James before AD went down.

If AD had stayed healthy Lebron probably would have had another finals appearance.


Furthermore

In many ways, the 2015 Cavs was their best team out of those four years.


As in the second half of the season post trades they went 33-3 with all three playing until Love got hurt.

They barely even trailed at home (a bunch of wire to wire wins), played at a +11 to +12 SRS level.


It was incredibly bad luck with the injuries.

Also, an interesting fact.


In that 2015 series, the Warriors through the first three games never led after any quarter in regulation (only after overtime in game 1). That series could very well have been 3-0 for the Cavs.

For reference, the only other teams that can say this are the 1971 Bucks vs. the Bullets (never trailed after any quarter in the series.

the 1959 Celtics vs. the Lakers (never trailed after any quarter but were tied multiple times), and the 2002 Lakers vs. the Nets as they trailed only after the 1st quarter in game 4.

This was done with an assortment of LeBron milking the clock, shortening the game, and getting open shots for teammates such as Shumpert (7-20 on wide open and open threes), Delladova (2-11), Smith (6-25), etc., who missed them.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron is the most clutch player in history.

No other player can win games like this.

Like the poster above said, LeBron is the most unlucky player in history by a long shot, and really should be sitting on 8-10 rings.


Nice thread loser

[Full Court]

Lebron is the most clutch player in history.

No other player can win games like this.

Like the poster above said, LeBron is the most unlucky player in history by a long shot, and really should be sitting on 8-10 rings.


Nice thread loser

And you should have an IQ higher than 50. But reality is a lot different, huh.

[coastalmarker99]

I have always said that had Lebron had the fortune of being drafted by the Pistons in 2003 instead of the Cavs.

That the Goat debate nowadays wouldn't even exist.

As LeBron's career would have started with a 3-peat with a good chance to win another in 2007 and 2008.


As in reality, he had to waste his athletic prime with a garbage front office who basically made him do everything for his team to stand a chance.


Vs Orlando:

Against the #1 defense in the league, LeBron averaged 39-8-8, .591 TS%.


The Cavs had a 112.9 O rating when he was on the court.

That is a +11.0 offense relative to Orlando’s regular season D rating.


That would be a historic offensive playoff performance.

In 2 of Cleveland’s losses, LeBron’s on court plus/minus was positive.


That means the Cavs outscored the Magic in those games, but the Cavs bench gave up the lead when LeBron was sitting.

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I have always said that had Lebron had the fortune of being drafted by the Pistons in 2003 instead of the Cavs.

That the Goat debate nowadays wouldn't even exist.

As LeBron's career would have started with a 3-peat with a good chance to win another in 2007 and 2008.


As in reality, he had to waste his athletic prime with a garbage front office who basically made him do everything for his team to stand a chance.


Vs Orlando:

Against the #1 defense in the league, LeBron averaged 39-8-8, .591 TS%.


The Cavs had a 112.9 O rating when he was on the court.

That is a +11.0 offense relative to Orlando’s regular season D rating.


That would be a historic offensive playoff performance.

In 2 of Cleveland’s losses, LeBron’s on court plus/minus was positive.


That means the Cavs outscored the Magic in those games, but the Cavs bench gave up the lead when LeBron was sitting.

But yet, you have to admit he squandered quite a few opportunities as well.
Let's take 2007 for example. That 4 game sweep? It wasn't exactly blowout games - a couple of them were 2-3 points IIRC.
Lebron had 4 full years under his belt in the NBA and still played far below his 27 PPG regular season average with a dreadful 22.0 PPG on 35% shooting. Seemed like he turned the damn ball over like 8x per game too.

Now let's dig into 2011-2022.

He's the only dude I've ever seen get the BEST two players from two other teams to join up with and still shit the bed. Think about it.
2011 - He got the best Heat player (Wade) and the best Raptor (Bosh) for 4 years. Then right on cue, a shrinking violet in 2011.
2013 - A role player saved his bacon here - that series is luckier than any bad luck or front office crap he dealt with in Cleveland.
2015 - True to fashion, he has the best Cavalier (Irving) and the best Timberwolf (Kevin Love) join up with him again.

This would be like Jordan getting Ewing AND Barkley in 1989. Love was a stud in Minnesota.

I've lost interest in further commenting - but Lebron underachieved many times in his career, which is why he ranks just below Kobe. 4 rings in 20 years just isn't good enough to be in the top 8 players unless you top Wilt's stats and peak, which he didn't.

[ArbitraryWater]

You forget that he was incredibly unlucky in 2015 and 2021 so it basically evens out.


The 2021 team had a 21 and 6 record through 27 games and were up two one on the Suns with an injured James before AD went down.

If AD had stayed healthy Lebron probably would have had another finals appearance.


Furthermore

In many ways, the 2015 Cavs was their best team out of those four years.


As in the second half of the season post trades they went 33-3 with all three playing until Love got hurt.

They barely even trailed at home (a bunch of wire to wire wins), played at a +11 to +12 SRS level.


It was incredibly bad luck with the injuries.

Also, an interesting fact.


In that 2015 series, the Warriors through the first three games never led after any quarter in regulation (only after overtime in game 1). That series could very well have been 3-0 for the Cavs.

For reference, the only other teams that can say this are the 1971 Bucks vs. the Bullets (never trailed after any quarter in the series.

the 1959 Celtics vs. the Lakers (never trailed after any quarter but were tied multiple times), and the 2002 Lakers vs. the Nets as they trailed only after the 1st quarter in game 4.

This was done with an assortment of LeBron milking the clock, shortening the game, and getting open shots for teammates such as Shumpert (7-20 on wide open and open threes), Delladova (2-11), Smith (6-25), etc., who missed them.


great comment

[AlternativeAcc.]

That Spurs team was DOMINANT. Arguably the best team ever. Twice as good as any team Jordan faced.

There's nothing lucky about leading a 15pt 4th quarter comeback, dominating in OT, and then dominating game 7. Only LeBron can.

#OnlyLeBronCan

[Airupthere]

This sequence just reminded me how ugly Lebron plays :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

But yet, you have to admit he squandered quite a few opportunities as well.
Let's take 2007 for example. That 4 game sweep? It wasn't exactly blowout games - a couple of them were 2-3 points IIRC.

Spurs were a dynasty, Cavs overachieved and were huge underdogs in the Finals. Dumb take.



2015 - True to fashion, he has the best Cavalier (Irving) and the best Timberwolf (Kevin Love) join up with him again.

This would be like Jordan getting Ewing AND Barkley in 1989.
Another atrocious take, imagine comparing Barkley & Ewing to Irving & Love. Barkley won an MVP and led his team to the Finals, Ewing led his team to the Finals, what have Irving & Love done without LeBron?

[RRR3]

Spurs were a dynasty, Cavs overachieved and were huge underdogs in the Finals. Dumb take.


Another atrocious take, imagine comparing Barkley & Ewing to Irving & Love. Barkley won an MVP and led his team to the Finals, Ewing led his team to the Finals, what have Irving & Love done without LeBron?
Also saying “LeBron had Love and Irving in 2015” makes no sense because they were both injured. Timofey Mozgov would have easily been the worst finals winning second option in history if LeBron won that series.

[SATAN]

OP's mother got so unlucky when he survived the birthing process.

[SATAN]

which is why he ranks just below Kobe. 4 rings in 20 years just isn't good enough to be in the top 8 players unless you top Wilt's stats and peak, which he didn't.

:oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

He was lucky for all of them. He had to switch teams as well.

[LeGoat4Life]

If you think about it. Lebron was lucky to win rings

1) shorten season
2) ray allen
3) Kyrie
4) AD / Disney

We are still waiting for a playoff moment from lebron

[Shaquille O'Neal]

If you think about it. Lebron was lucky to win rings

1) shorten season
2) ray allen
3) Kyrie
4) AD / Disney

We are still waiting for a playoff moment from lebron

Think about this - in 20 years, Lebron has never won a ring without a bailout shot from a teammate in a full 82 game season. Ever.
2012 = lockout, same for 2020. 13/16 = bailed out.

Fun fact = Lebron is 0 for 8 in finals games tying or go ahead shots. 0 buzzer beaters or tying shots in 10 Finals series. 0/8, Mr. -81 +/-. Ooof.

[SATAN]

No one gave a shit when MJ got bailed out. We praised the shooters and said MJ had a good game. Well done Chicago.

You're actually terrible people. Literally. You are bad people. You make basketball fans look bad and attract more toxic bullshit.

[Lebron23]

Think about this - in 20 years, Lebron has never won a ring without a bailout shot from a teammate in a full 82 game season. Ever.
2012 = lockout, same for 2020. 13/16 = bailed out.

Fun fact = Lebron is 0 for 8 in finals games tying or go ahead shots. 0 buzzer beaters or tying shots in 10 Finals series. 0/8, Mr. -81 +/-. Ooof.

According to your stupid logic. Jordan won an nba championship after a John Paxson, and Steve Kerr bailed out shots. You Jordantards, and Kobetards are stupid regarding this logic.

[ImKobe]

No one gave a shit when MJ got bailed out. We praised the shooters and said MJ had a good game. Well done Chicago.

You're actually terrible people. Literally. You are bad people. You make basketball fans look bad and attract more toxic bullshit.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Jordan was never in this position when Paxson & Kerr made their shots. MJ never faced elimination in the Finals. Allen's shot erased a massive choke job and there's no shot from MJ's career that you could point to that would be the same for him.

[dankok8]

All players have good and bad luck and usually over the course of their careers it evens out. 2015 and 2021 were definitely bad luck for Lebron because of key teammate injuries. But 2013 was good luck that Ray's shot went in. 2016 was good luck that Curry and several other Warriors were playing hurt and Kyrie's shot went in. 2020 was good luck facing such a weak Heat team in the finals and then both Adebayo/Dragic got injured. I wouldn't say Lebron was lucky or unlucky. He had average luck.

The only all-time great I'd call truly unlucky is Hakeem IMO. He lost Sampson to career-ending injuries and didn't get another good team for 8 years which wasted most of his prime. He's the only one who comes to mind on the top 10 ish list.

[Axe]

This makes no sense whatsoever. Jordan was never in this position when Paxson & Kerr made their shots. MJ never faced elimination in the Finals. Allen's shot erased a massive choke job and there's no shot from MJ's career that you could point to that would be the same for him.
Umm that was because the bulls also had pippen bt who was such a big impact for the team's success outside of scoring.

[TheCorporation]

That Spurs team was DOMINANT. Arguably the best team ever. Twice as good as any team Jordan faced.

There's nothing lucky about leading a 15pt 4th quarter comeback, dominating in OT, and then dominating game 7. Only LeBron can.

#OnlyLeBronCan

#OnlyLeBronCan

[Spurs m8]

Think about this - in 20 years, Lebron has never won a ring without a bailout shot from a teammate in a full 82 game season. Ever.
2012 = lockout, same for 2020. 13/16 = bailed out.

Fun fact = Lebron is 0 for 8 in finals games tying or go ahead shots. 0 buzzer beaters or tying shots in 10 Finals series. 0/8, Mr. -81 +/-. Ooof.

Yikes

[Real Men Wear Green]

If you think the guy with 4 finals mvp awards is the biggest choker ever you're a ****ing idiot. James is not a perfect clutch performer but he shouldn't be mentioned here. Of course this topic was launched by a single missed free throw in the regular season so I suppose I shouldn't expect to see a reasonable conversation.

[Axe]

If you think the guy with 4 finals mvp awards is the biggest choker ever you're a ****ing idiot. James is not a perfect clutch performer but he shouldn't be mentioned here. Of course this topic was launched by a single missed free throw in the regular season so I suppose I shouldn't expect to see a reasonable conversation.
Damn shots fired.

[SATAN]

This makes no sense whatsoever. Jordan was never in this position when Paxson & Kerr made their shots. MJ never faced elimination in the Finals. Allen's shot erased a massive choke job and there's no shot from MJ's career that you could point to that would be the same for him.

You're an idiot.

[Hey Yo]

All players have good and bad luck and usually over the course of their careers it evens out. 2015 and 2021 were definitely bad luck for Lebron because of key teammate injuries. But 2013 was good luck that Ray's shot went in. 2016 was good luck that Curry and several other Warriors were playing hurt and Kyrie's shot went in. .

LOL @ calling a corner made 3 by Ray as being "lucky"

"Several GS players were hurt"


dumb

[LeGoat4Life]

Think about this - in 20 years, Lebron has never won a ring without a bailout shot from a teammate in a full 82 game season. Ever.
2012 = lockout, same for 2020. 13/16 = bailed out.

Fun fact = Lebron is 0 for 8 in finals games tying or go ahead shots. 0 buzzer beaters or tying shots in 10 Finals series. 0/8, Mr. -81 +/-. Ooof.

Another high IQ post with too much fact