Isiah Thomas Eliminates Michael Jordan, Again (Game 7 - 1990)

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX3QCp4hnyw

21 points, 11 assists, 8 rebounds vs. Chicago Bulls

[Yeezy]

OP isn't Filipino. he's jewish. the only thing this gimmick account doesn't lie about is his height


btw why'd you stop using your 5'8ball handle

[Lebron23]

Zeke is the bulls killer

[Yeezy]

Zeke is the bulls killer

daylight is the Steve killer


but it does give life to psychosis through a lack of vitamin D

[Lebron23]

daylight is the Steve killer


but it does give life to psychosis through a lack of vitamin D


I'll put you in a straight jacket.

[Yeezy]

I'll put you in a straight jacket.

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[Spurs m8]

Op stalks underage girls

[Baller789]

OP has no stable source of income.

[Da_Realist]

The Bulls shot 31% that game. :wtf: Kobe's Lakers shot higher than that when they were blown out by 39 points against Boston. LeBron's team never shot that poorly in the Finals even in their worst blowout games. Even in 2007. I knew the Bulls were ugly that game but I forgot how ugly.

Chicago was a better team than that. They just weren't ready to win a game 7 against Detroit in Detroit. I don't think they would have won a game 7 that year in Chicago either but they would have played better.

[tontoz]

Zeke is the bulls killer

Isiah averaged 17.6 ppg in that series shooting 40%. What a killer :bowdown:

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They hated OP because he told the truth

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan's supporting cast that game was unfathomably bad

Pippen: 2 points on 1/10
Grant: 10 points on 3/17
Hodges: 8 points on 3/13
Cartwright: 6 points on 3/9
Armstrong: 2 points on 1/8

Total: 28 points on 11/57

That literally might be the worst supporting cast performance in playoff history :lol

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Jordan's supporting cast that game was unfathomably bad

Pippen: 2 points on 1/10
Grant: 10 points on 3/17
Hodges: 8 points on 3/13
Cartwright: 6 points on 3/9
Armstrong: 2 points on 1/8

Total: 28 points on 11/57

That literally might be the worst supporting cast performance in playoff history :lol
Jordan never made anyone around him better, when Scottie came into his prime though he led those teams in every non-scoring category

[Da_Realist]

Jordan's supporting cast that game was unfathomably bad

Pippen: 2 points on 1/10
Grant: 10 points on 3/17
Hodges: 8 points on 3/13
Cartwright: 6 points on 3/9
Armstrong: 2 points on 1/8

Total: 28 points on 11/57

That literally might be the worst supporting cast performance in playoff history :lol

19% :facepalm

That wasn't the Bulls out there. That was a zombie team wearing red jerseys. That's the mark of a team that didn't actually believe they could win.

[Lebron23]

Jordan never made anyone around him better, when Scottie came into his prime though he led those teams in every non-scoring category


Pippen would be Kawhlite if he plays in today's NBA.

[tontoz]

Pippen would be Kawhlite if he plays in today's NBA.


I am sure playing in today's NBA would help pippen shoot 15% better from the foul line.

[3ba11]

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It's common knowledge that Jordan's cast was garbage as Isiah Thomas confirms in the clip below - he says the 3-peat Bulls from 1993 were a 1-man team and his Bad Boy casts were far superior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w&t=01m34s


So it was common knowledge that the Bad Boys had a better cast than the 3-peat Bulls, let alone the baby Bulls from 1989.. Only in the decades since are the 89' Bulls knocked for losing with no cast to a Celtic/Laker-killing dynasty.

Some modern analysts acknowledge this like "Thinking Basketball" (Ben Taylor), who confirmed that the Bulls had the worst cast in the league in 89' and 90' ("0 percentile cast", aka better than 0% of casts).

Ultimately, MJ took the Pistons' dynasty to 6 games with a rookie low seed in 89' (Jordan's 4th healthy season), while 4th-year Lebron got swept by the Spurs despite having a veteran high seed, a top 5 defense, a 2x all-star center, a 22/5/5 acquisition, and the future COY.

So Lebron wasn't good enough to be competitive against championship comp like young Jordan - remember that the 2008 Playoffs saw the Cavs go 7 with the Celtics in spite of Lebron wetting the bed, due to their reputed defense that held the Celtics below their normal averages.

Overall, Lebron was really bad against championship comp in 2007, 2008, 2011 and 2010 (21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose 2-1 lead as favorite), while also losing as a historic favorite to an injured, 1-star team on 09'.. So Lebron choked against championship comp from 2007-2011 until FMVP Wade taught him how to perform under pressure.

It's funny that people say Lebron's super-team in 2014 or 2017 had no chance against the Spurs or Warriors (which means that he's nowhere near GOAT), yet they think Jordan's lottery team of bums should compete with a Pistons' dynasty.

In 1989, guys like Dantley and Aguirre were far superior to Pippen and would've easily started over Pippen on the Bulls, while Vinnie Johnson (bench player) was superior to Paxson.... James Edwards, Laimbeer, and Rodman would start over Grant.. Accordingly, Isiah and Dumars were free to team-up on Jordan.. The Pistons were completely stacked but still not a super-team (3 elite first options on 1 team).

[Bacchus]

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It's common knowledge that Jordan's cast was garbage as Isiah Thomas confirms in the clip below - he says the 3-peat Bulls from 1993 were a 1-man team and his Bad Boy casts were far superior:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w&t=01m34s


So it was common knowledge that the Bad Boys had a better cast than the 3-peat Bulls, let alone the baby Bulls from 1989.. Only in the decades since are the 89' Bulls knocked for losing with no cast to a Celtic/Laker-killing dynasty.

Some modern analysts acknowledge this like "Thinking Basketball" (Ben Taylor), who confirmed that the Bulls had the worst cast in the league in 89' and 90' ("0 percentile cast", aka better than 0% of casts).

Ultimately, MJ took the Pistons' dynasty to 6 games with a rookie low seed in 89' (Jordan's 4th healthy season), while 4th-year Lebron got swept by the Spurs despite having a veteran high seed, a top 5 defense, a 2x all-star center, a 22/5/5 acquisition, and the future COY.

So Lebron wasn't good enough to be competitive against championship comp like young Jordan - remember that the 2008 Playoffs saw the Cavs go 7 with the Celtics in spite of Lebron wetting the bed, due to their reputed defense that held the Celtics below their normal averages.

Overall, Lebron was really bad against championship comp in 2007, 2008, 2011 and 2010 (21 on 34% for the last 3 games to lose 2-1 lead as favorite), while also losing as a historic favorite to an injured, 1-star team on 09'.. So Lebron choked against championship comp from 2007-2011 until FMVP Wade taught him how to perform under pressure.

It's funny that people say Lebron's super-team in 2014 or 2017 had no chance against the Spurs or Warriors (which means that he's nowhere near GOAT), yet they think Jordan's lottery team of bums should compete with a Pistons' dynasty.

In 1989, guys like Dantley and Aguirre were far superior to Pippen and would've easily started over Pippen on the Bulls, while Vinnie Johnson (bench player) was superior to Paxson.... James Edwards, Laimbeer, and Rodman would start over Grant.. Accordingly, Isiah and Dumars were free to team-up on Jordan.. The Pistons were completely stacked but still not a super-team (3 elite first options on 1 team).

Good point. Lebron also needed to play with the first pick of the draft to win his other two titles

[ArbitraryWater]

It was the perfect time for MJ to have an ATG great game in his best ever season, and somehow, with a game 7 against the defending champions, he scored just 31 points...

[ArbitraryWater]

19% :facepalm

That wasn't the Bulls out there. That was a zombie team wearing red jerseys. That's the mark of a team that didn't actually believe they could win.

why could MJ not instill the necessary belief in them?

[3ba11]

why could MJ not instill the necessary belief in them?


They were infants.

But MJ's confidence rubbed off on the team, while Lebron's fear causes Korver, Donyell and Hill to brick with the game on the line

[Da_Realist]

It was the perfect time for MJ to have an ATG great game in his best ever season, and somehow, with a game 7 against the defending champions, he scored just 31 points...

Scoring 31 points against that team when they were only concerned with him when his teammates were basically MIA was gargantuan. Add in the 9 assists and you can say MJ was responsible for at the very least 49 of the team's 74 points.

[ArbitraryWater]

Scoring 31 points against that team when they were only concerned with him when his teammates were basically MIA was gargantuan. Add in the 9 assists and you can say MJ was responsible for at the very least 49 of the team's 74 points.

only concerned with him?

You think the others shot 20% on open shots?

When LeBron had his best ever year, whatever you deem it to be, he absolutely went off when it was the perfect opportunity to do so.

31 is pretty pedestrian for a one-off in your best ever season.

[Da_Realist]

why could MJ not instill the necessary belief in them?

Takes time. The Bulls were nothing compared to the Pistons in 88. The only team to beat them in the 89 playoffs. And the only team to push them to an elimination game in 1990. It's a process that used to be respected before guys started teaming up. Detroit was not only defending champions but they had already been through heartbreaking games against Boston (including a game 7) in 87 and another heartbreaking game 7 against LA in 1988. By 1990, they were hardened, experienced and championship quality. The Bulls had to earn that experience. Game 7 vs Detroit was the last step.

[Axe]

Last season before the implementation of the flagrant foul in the league. And the pistons were never the same team again.

[Da_Realist]

only concerned with him?

You think the others shot 20% on open shots?

When LeBron had his best ever year, whatever you deem it to be, he absolutely went off when it was the perfect opportunity to do so.

31 is pretty pedestrian for a one-off in your best ever season.

Yeah. Everyone knows that. Even Pistons players publicly admitted it. Trying to change the narrative 30 years later?

[kawhileonard2]

First off this thread has nothing to do with Jordan. Next off people overrate Pippen based on one year of being the man, but on the other hand a guy like Gary Payton who led a team to 6 seasons in a row of 55+ wins gets underrated and called overrated all the time. A guy like Iverson led a team to the the #1 seed as well once and people call him overrated. Drexler led a team to the finals twice as the man and won 59+ games 3 years in a row and some call him overrated. But Pippen leads a team once as the man to 55 wins and he is considered underrated.
Isiah developed into a star on his own while Pippen was helped to turn into a star. Pippen didn't have the ability to lead a team to the title as the man. If guys like Barkley, Malone, DRobinson all who were better than Pippen did not win titles as the man and even guys like Ewing and Drexler then what makes it that Pippen could?
Like I said before Duncan went to a team that had a 21/11/3.5 player in DRob, he didn't go to a true franchise that was one of the worst in the league. Spurs were only bad because Robinson was out the season before.


Jordan won titles when Pippen didn't even make the allstar team. Pippen also went to play with Hakeem and Barkley and lost in round 1. So why couldn't Pippen win with them? Why is it when you bring up Houston then people say he was old as dirt but then try to say he was the man the next season on Portland? While MJ won with him the season before including when Pippen missed nearly half the season and was playing injured all season long?
Not to mention Jordan is the only top 10 player all time to never play with a guy who won league or finals mvp. So don't give me this crap that Jordan had more help than anyone else.



Pippen became great due to playing with Jordan, he even said so himself.

Source: GoogleBooks (http://books.google.com/books?id=aQ84ViBNkYwC&pg=PA28&lpg=PA28&dq=Game+Michael+Jordan+broke+his+leg&source=web&ots=Y9Xtn3nomR&sig=6shSn2cklYKVP1kBaC6nI0A_oko&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result#PPA39,M1)




Pippen, unlike other Bulls who usually kept their distance from Jordan, tried to learn all he could from Jordan in practice. In turn, Jordan worked with Pippen on his moves, jump shot, and defense and taught him mental toughness.



Pippen relates on how his game improved - Link (http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/jordanhof_pippen_090910.html)


http://www.nba.com/media/bulls/jordanpippen_090910.jpg




“He was very competitive, so he went at me and that helped me learn,” said Pippen. “You continue to compete against the very best every day, and you will get better, or you’ll be embarrassed.”




“I went to a small school, so I had to be a jack of all trades and master a few,” said Pippen. “Defense was one thing I was really able to work at and get better.

“A lot of my instincts came from guarding Michael all the time in practice,” he added. “I had four other guys on my team, but I had schemes that I would throw out there depending on what he did. I’d say, ‘If I make Michael do this, then you go trap him.’ There were things I tried to do on defense to trigger him into a
mistake. He was a great player, and if you couldn’t try it on him in practice, there was nowhere else to try it.”



Pippen realized himself that going against MJ is what made him better.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-krausejordan090909



“Michael was great at identifying things,” Krause said. “Would Pippen have been great someplace else? Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him.”