LeBron James and Kobe Finals stats

[Iverson3]

LeBron James - 28.4 ppg on 48.4 FG%, 10.2 rpg, 7.5 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.9 bpg

Kobe Bryant - 25.3 ppg on 41.2 FG%, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg


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[Lebron23]

I still don't understand why the Kobe fanatics still thinks Kobe is rank higher than LeBron.

[Yeezy]

the only stats that matter


5 real titles in 7 finals with no ring chasing, no bail outs, no lockouts, no bubbles, no collusions, no PEDs

vs

4 fake titles and 6 choke jobs with all 4 titles having ring chasing, PEDs, collusions and bail outs or bubbles or lockouts


even lebrons finals appearances are fraudulent due to only beating 14 teams with 50 wins while Kobe beat 24. at that pace kobe would go to 18 finals out east


lebrons stat padding doesn't make up for any of this

[Lebron23]

the only stats that matter


5 real titles in 7 finals with no ring chasing, no bail outs, no lockouts, no bubbles, no collusions, no PEDs

vs

4 fake titles and 6 choke jobs with all 4 titles having ring chasing, PEDs, collusions and bail outs or bubbles or lockouts


even lebrons finals appearances are fraudulent due to only beating 14 teams with 50 wins while Kobe beat 24. at that pace kobe would go to 18 finals out east


lebrons stat padding doesn't make up for any of this


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Shaq and Kobe's NBA Finals stats during their three-peat ����

Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG

Kobe Bryant: 22.0 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.2 BPG

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I don't understand why the stupid media ranked Kobe over Shaq. Shaq was better than Kobe when both played for the Lakers.

[Yeezy]

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Shaq and Kobe's NBA Finals stats during their three-peat ����

Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG

Kobe Bryant: 22.0 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.2 BPG

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I don't understand why the stupid media ranked Kobe over Shaq. Shaq was better than Kobe when both played for the Lakers.

shaq was swept or gentleman swept out of the playoffs every year without Kobe. his only title came as a 13ppg role player. Antoine walker was the 2nd leading scorer for that 2006 finals

Kobe without Shaq has a career on par with Hakeem

that's why

[Hey Yo]

Guaranteed if Kobe would have signed with the Nets, he wouldn't have stayed there his whole career.

Hell.... he publically asked for a trade after missing the playoffs and then getting bounced in the first round the next 2yrs

[Yeezy]

Guaranteed if Kobe would have signed with the Nets, he wouldn't have stayed there his whole career.

Hell.... he publically asked for a trade after missing the playoffs and then getting bounced in the first round the next 2yrs

kobe nearly 3peated with a guy that had 1 reserve allstar game in 7 years along with a 0-12 playoff record before joining him

kobe never needed shaq

he needed the most basic star sidekick. he coulda got that with 20 other guys in the league any given year

[3ba11]

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Shaq and Kobe's NBA Finals stats during their three-peat ����

Shaquille O'Neal: 35.9 PPG, 15.2 RPG, 3.5 APG, 0.7 SPG, 2.9 BPG

Kobe Bryant: 22.0 PPG, 6.1 RPG, 5.6 APG, 1.3 SPG, 1.2 BPG

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I don't understand why the stupid media ranked Kobe over Shaq. Shaq was better than Kobe when both played for the Lakers.


It's because Kobe won with less - he repeated with Pau, while Shaq mostly lost with the best perimeter players ever in their prime like Penny, Kobe, Wade and Lebron.

Btw, Kobe led the 200 Lakers and the NBA in playoff clutch PPG (last 5 within 5), so Kobe carried the Lakers in the clutch - Shaq couldn't win without Kobe carrying him in clutch-time, which included Kobe's record 8.0 ppg in clutch time for the 2000 Finals.

[3ba11]

LeBron James - 28.4 ppg on 48.4 FG%, 10.2 rpg, 7.5 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.9 bpg

Kobe Bryant - 25.3 ppg on 41.2 FG%, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, 1.8 spg, 0.9 bpg


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1) Kobe beats Lebron in clutch stats (last 5 within 5) - see how Kobe led the NBA in clutch PPG for the 2000 Playoffs (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=A&sort=PTS) and set the record in the Finals (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?Season=1999-00&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)

2) Kobe beats Lebron in jumpshooting production or efficiency, which spurs ball movement so the Lakers could avoid the massive assist deficits that characterize Lebron's losing Finals teams and low team ceilings with super-teams (zero dominant dynasties in 2 decades).

3) Kobe had the expert jumpshooting skill required to defeat maximum defensive attention (carry scoring load in Finals), so he could win with secondary producer like Pau and didn't need elite producers like AD, Wade or Kyrie.. Otoh, ball-dominators lack sufficient brand of ball to successfully carry the scoring load against top teams (too ball-dominant at carry-job volume), so they need juggernauts like Kareem or AD - they can't win with secondary producers like Wiggins, Pippen, Lowry or Terry and lose consistently with secondary producers like Porzingas, Brunson, Mo Williams, Jamison, Hughes or Ingram.

[Hey Yo]

kobe nearly 3peated with a guy that had 1 reserve allstar game in 7 years along with a 0-12 playoff record before joining him

kobe never needed shaq

he needed the most basic star sidekick. he coulda got that with 20 other guys in the league any given year

So why didn't he go ahead and sign with the lottery Nets if it was so easy for him?

He could have 3 peated with Keith van Horn, correct?

[Full Court]

And this is what the Bronie fluffers are left resorting to...comparing Bronie with #12-13 of all time Kobe. :roll:

More proof that he's fringe top ten at best.

[Yeezy]

And this is what the Bronie fluffers are left resorting to...comparing Bronie with #12-13 of all time Kobe. :roll:

More proof that he's fringe top ten at best.

half the world says kobe is a goat candidate. the other half says lebron... then there's you

:facepalm

[Yeezy]

So why didn't he go ahead and sign with the lottery Nets if it was so easy for him?

He could have 3 peated with Keith van Horn, correct?

he tried out for the Celtics. what place were they in

and the lakers just lost magic and didn't have shaq. Kobe basically signed up to play with a rebuilding roster. if he had lebrons mentality he asks to go to Chicago, Houston, sanantonio, Seattle or Utah

[Lebron23]

half the world says kobe is a goat candidate. the other half says lebron... then there's you

:facepalm

Kobe is a barely top 10 player of all time. He got lionized after his death.

[Yeezy]

Kobe is a barely top 10 player of all time. He got lionized after his death.

you should kill yourself and see if it works

[AirBonner]

I have Kobe 11th with curry on his backdoor

[Lebron23]

you should kill yourself and see if it works

Kobe have the craziest fanbase for a guy who was an inefficient finals performer.

[Yeezy]

Kobe have the craziest fanbase for a guy who was an inefficient finals performer.

whats more efficient

5/7

or 4/10

[Yeezy]

I have Kobe 11th with curry on his backdoor

i have lebron 7th... because i'm not shook of him like you guys are of kobe

only guys i have ahead of him have 5+ rings and a winning finals record

[Lebron23]

whats more efficient

5/7

or 4/10

25 ppg on 40 FG% Kobe is the greatest Pippen of all time.

[Yeezy]

25 ppg on 40 FG% Kobe is the greatest Pippen of all time.

if pippen nearly matched jordan in scoring every year
then won 2 titles with Portland as finals mvp and retired with more rings than MJ where would you rank him

oh yeah and pippen also ended up with like 10 times as many 40,50,60 point games as jordan too

and more 1st team all nbas and jordan never made a single all defensive team while pippen made a record 9

oh yeah and pippen matched jordan in regular season mvps too

[ImKobe]

Yes, they played against the exact same teams and in the same era, right?

Someone give me Bran's Finals averages before he started facing the small-ball/fast-paced GS teams & padded the numbers in blowout losses..

[Yeezy]

Yes, they played against the exact same teams and in the same era, right?

Someone give me Bran's Finals averages before he started facing the small-ball/fast-paced GS teams & padded the numbers in blowout losses..

i did a comparison of every guys shooting percentages in the finals from like 96 to 2020 and it literally went up with the years and era for everyone... everyone from this era shot higher than the guys from the 00s.. and all the 00s shot higher than the 90s


its literally defensive pressure, physicality being extinguished from the game and more fouls being called.


the 2010 game 7 between the lakers and boston was a dog fight. the refs just swallowed their whistle till the 4th quarter. everyone was horrible.. thats just how it was pre banana boat era

[Hey Yo]

12-47

:oldlol:

[Yeezy]

12-47

:oldlol:

is that gonna be lebrons finals appearances vs seasons played by the time hes done juicing

[Hey Yo]

6-24

:oldlol:

[Yeezy]

6-24

:oldlol:

lebron has 5 entire finals on that level of embarrassment

2007 - shook/quit
2011 - shook/quit
2013 - 29% outside of 5 feet, saved by ray allen
2014 - quits due to air conditioner, blames cramps for biggest beat down/largest average margin of defeat in finals history
2015 - shut down again outside of 5 feet with low 30's percentile shooting, destroyed by a role player the last 3 games




why couldn't lebron find other ways to win like kobe did in that game 7

2010 NBA finals Game 7:
3:09 left in 3rd - Kobe 2 point shot ( boston 56 - lakers 49 )
2:37 left in 3rd - Gasol 2 free throws ( boston 56 - lakers 51 )
2:21 left in 3rd - Kobe 11th rebound
1:10 left in 3rd - Odom 2 point layup off kobe pass ( boston 57 - lakers 53 )
11:43 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 57 - lakers 55 )
8:46 left in 4th - Kobe 3 points, fouled on shot ( boston 59 - lakers 58 )
7:29 left in 4th - Artest 3 point play ( boston 61 - lakers 61 )
6:13 left in 4th - fisher 3 pointer ( boston 64 - lakers 64 )
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 12th rebound
5:56 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points. fouled on shot ( boston 64 - Lakers 66 )
5:36 left in 4th - Kobe 13th rebound
5:23 left in 4th - Kobe 2 point jumpshot ( boston 64 - Lakers 68 )
5:01 left in 4th - Kobe 14th rebound
4:39 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 64 - lakers 70 )
4:20 left in 4th - Kobe 15th rebound
3:21 left in 4th - Kobe 1 point, fouled on dunk attempt ( boston 66 - lakers 71 )
2:47 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Gasols 2 free throws ( boston 68 - lakers 73 )
2:20 left in 4th - loose ball foul Gasol 1 free throw ( boston 68 - lakers 74 )
1:30 left in 4th - Gasol 2 point shot ( boston 70 - lakers 76 )
1:01 left in 4th - Kobe assist to Artests 3 pointer ( Boston 73 - Lakers 79 )
0:25 left in 4th - Kobe 2 points, fouled on drive attempt ( boston 76 - lakers 81 )


pierce and allen combined 8 for 30?


29/8/4 series average. finals mvp. 5 rings. passes shaq. insurmountable by lebron. winning finals record. all titles with zero colluding, zero bail outs, zero lockouts, zero bubbles, zero PEDs

:lol

[Indian guy]

Kobe vs. LeBron stopped being a thing after 2016. Nobody has talked about it since besides suicidal Kobe fans who'll never get over what LeBron did to their hero.

[Yeezy]

Kobe vs. LeBron stopped being a thing after 2016. Nobody has talked about it since besides suicidal Kobe fans who'll never get over what LeBron did to their hero.

if this is the case then every lebron fan here wouldn't spend more of their time attacking kobe than MJ since 2016

but they have and still do

the media stopped doing the kobe vs lebron stuff because lebron vs MJ sells more. but no fans really do that debate because the only way to do it is to have zero context and inflate lebron to an absurd extent with zero critique for his faults or asterisks


online however its so completely one sided when you factor in these things that the only real debates that have any momentum are kobe vs lebron ones


like with a jordan debate its over right after this

- 6 titles ( to 4 with 6 L's? )
- 6 finals mvps ( to 4 with ring chasing, collusions, bubbles, lockouts? )
- 5 league mvps ( to 4 with 2 coming on a colluded big 3 out east? )
- defensive player of the year ( to 0? )
- tied for most defensive 1st teams ever at 9 ( to 5? )
- 10 scoring titles ( to 1? )
- all this in just 11 full seasons basically with 20 teams with 50+ wins eliminated ( to almost 20 full seasons with only 14 eliminated? )
- all time highest ppg in regular season and playoffs ( scoring championships are average. not totals )
- higher all time PER/efficiency/analytics ( lebron fans own formulas lol )
- more impressive highlights
- more respect
- more impact
- more fans


its a joke


at least with kobe you can get 12 pages.. its funny cause the things lebron fans use to attack MJ are all the things kobe also has over MJ yet they put kobe 13th/14th all time lol

[StrongLurk]

Everyone knows the truth.

MJ > Lebron > Kobe...MJ is still in a tier by himself for now. The GOAT discussion would be VERY interesting if MJ didn't exist. Of course there are other players who deserve to be compared to Lebron and Kobe, but these three players are the most popular regardless of all time rankings.

[Yeezy]

Everyone knows the truth.

MJ > Lebron > Kobe...MJ is still in a tier by himself for now. The GOAT discussion would be VERY interesting if MJ didn't exist. Of course there are other players who deserve to be compared to Lebron and Kobe, but these three players are the most popular regardless of all time rankings.

not too many people have this opinion. just half the media... for most fans and players they're jordan/kobe guys and a small percentage of fan/players have lebron over both or lebron 2nd


the only mj guys that trash Kobe are like 60+

[HoopsNY]

While Kobe's stats in the finals were less than stellar, it should be noted that Kobe usually had the tougher road to the finals. Taking a look at Kobe's WCF finals numbers, he performed pretty well between 2000-2010 where he put up 28/6/6/1/1 on 57% TS%.

[Yeezy]

While Kobe's stats in the finals were less than stellar, it should be noted that Kobe usually had the tougher road to the finals. Taking a look at Kobe's WCF finals numbers, he performed pretty well between 2000-2010 where he put up 28/6/6/1/1 on 57% TS%.

like I said it was just normal for guys to shoot lower percentages back then. almost everyone did. Jordan's last 3 finals percentages weren't great either. tons of guys struggled cause believe it or not but there was this thing called defense. it's not seen much anymore but it was really something back in the day


plus kobe played on a broken ankle in his first finals. then was recovering from food poisoning in another. had broken hands and fingers in his shooting hand or torn shoulders and knees. he was simply never healthy

he always played hurt

[kawhileonard2]

I still don't understand why the Kobe fanatics still thinks Kobe is rank higher than LeBron.

He was better. And even Lebron was afraid of him.

[Lebron23]

He was better. And even Lebron was afraid of him.

Kobetard alerted.

[Yeezy]

Kobetard alerted.

kobe literally taught lebron how to be a man in the 2008 Olympics. he made a movie about it lol

[kawhileonard2]

Kobetard alerted.

Lebron lost with HCA to Dwight and Pierce and Kobe beat Dwight and Pierce with HCA. Prove me wrong!

[3ba11]

Ball-dominators can't win with secondary producers at sidekick, while expert jumpshooters can

Ball-dominators lost with Porzingas, Brunson, Worthy, Ingram, Mo Williams, Jamison, Zydrunas, Love or Kuzma, while expert jumpshooters won with Jason Terry, Wiggins, Pippen, Lowry and Pau

[Lebron23]

Kobe has the worst shooting percentages among the top 15 players of all time

[Yeezy]

Kobe has the worst shooting percentages among the top 15 players of all time


to have his career as a 6'4/6'5, 210 pound shooting guard is actually super rare. most guys in the top 15 are big guys that scored mainly inside like a shaq, wilt, kareem, magic, russell, duncan, lebron, hakeem, moses, dr J and soon to be giannis


to win 5 titles, 2 finals mvps, a league mvp ( should've been 2 or 3 ) and drop 33k points is so unheard of for a guy of kobes position

of course the only guy in the top 15 that takes crazy shots other than curry ( the goat shooter ) is gonna have the lowest percentage


even jordan mostly scored inside for the first half of his career. but during the second half he did have finals where he shot 41% in 1996, 45% in 1997 and 42% in 1998



this is actually what makes kobe and jordan so amazing. they're smaller guys that aren't dependent on playmaking to be great. they're scorers and defenders. something big men and bigger guys throughout nba history are known for dominating the most