View Full Version : Lebron is shooting 8 threes per game at 31% - that's all-time low IQ basketball
3ba11
12-16-2022, 07:46 PM
Otoh, MJ had genius IQ by always shooting at today's standard anytime he had a modicum of volume (more than 1.5 attempts).
This includes the 90' regular season (38% on 3 attempts) or the 93' Playoffs (39% on 4 attempts) or the 92' Finals (43% on 5 attempts)
Notice how his efficiency increased with volume because that's what happens when all-time shooting form gets in rhythm, aka Jordan would have a lot of "shrug" games in today's higher volume format.
TLDR: it's confirmed that Lebron's basketball IQ is low compared to Jordan's due to bad jumpshooting selection (thread title), #1 all-time in turnovers, and zero #1 offenses in 2 decades despite goat offensive help (while MJ has four #1 offenses with very weak offensive help).
This gap in IQ and brand of basketball explains why Jordan is 6/6 without super-teams, while Lebron is 4/10 with a worst-ever, lottery record on the championship level (22-33), aka much lower team ceilings regardless of cast (20-21 with super-teams in the 11', 12', 13', 14', 17', and 20' Finals).
expansionera
12-16-2022, 07:53 PM
Explain MJ’s 1-9 without Pippen
GrayGoat
12-16-2022, 07:56 PM
Explain MJ’s 1-9 without Pippen
Game over
3ba11
12-16-2022, 07:57 PM
Explain MJ’s 1-9 without Pippen
Timing coincidence - Durant, Lebron, Curry and Giannis were lottery in their first few years, so the early period where most young players lose coincided with the few years that Jordan didn't have Pippen.
But by Jordan's 3rd healthy season (88'), he made the 2nd Round just like 06' Lebron, except he had a rookie team of low producers in a conference that required a super-team to win, while Lebron had a veteran high seed of decorated teammates in a conference that 1-star teams were winning most years..
Lebron needed 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs, while Jordan was thrown into the playoffs as a rookie 8 seed, so you can't compare a Year 3 high seed of veterans to a Year 1 eight seed of rookies
Spurs m8
12-16-2022, 08:05 PM
This..
Goes missing in 4th
Siev on D
No wonder this guy is killing the team so badly :roll:
What's the Lakers winning % with and without him this season?
Xiao Yao You
12-16-2022, 08:14 PM
Clarkson is praised for similar numbers
expansionera
12-16-2022, 08:15 PM
Timing coincidence - Durant, Lebron, Curry and Giannis were lottery in their first few years, so the early period where most young players lose coincided with the few years that Jordan didn't have Pippen.
But by Jordan's 3rd healthy season (88'), he made the 2nd Round just like 06' Lebron, except he had a rookie team of low producers in a conference that required a super-team to win, while Lebron had a veteran high seed of decorated teammates in a conference that 1-star teams were winning most years..
Lebron needed 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs, while Jordan was thrown into the playoffs as a rookie 8 seed, so you can't compare a Year 3 high seed of veterans to a Year 1 eight seed of rookies
How many playoff wins in Washington without Pip?
Full Court
12-16-2022, 08:27 PM
His basketball IQ has always been massively overrated.
Either he's gone senile in his old age, or he just a LOW IQ player. Here's a recent example:
https://youtu.be/B4FASlXf_fA
3ba11
12-16-2022, 09:30 PM
Explain MJ’s 1-9 without Pippen
Pippen Education
Among notable 90's sidekicks, Pippen had the worst passing, efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), spacing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s), clutch (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=259s), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-04-2022/B-6qB7.gif), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/cKS3B2.gif), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif), here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXTzfrU2Eik&t=01h59m03s), here (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=A&sort=PTS)), and lowest peak capability (not on scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif), here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc6nj1p1s-g)).. Pippen's low peak capability meant that MJ faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load) for every season and series of his career (unique to Jordan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s)).. As the links show, this is all historical record..
Notice how Pippen says that he couldn't win alongside a great center in the "spacing" link (he says he couldn't provide the spacing that a center-oriented offense requires) - so shooters like Starks or Sean Elliot would be 2nd options alongside centers like Ewing or Duncan.. Pippen was only a 2nd option alongside the goat scorer and otherwise guys like Kukoc were preferred in the 2nd half of playoff games.. In the 98' Playoffs, Kukoc was 2nd on the Bulls in 4th quarter scoring (kukoc (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/389/traditional?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4), pippen (https://www.nba.com/stats/player/937/traditional?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)) and clutch time scoring (last 5 within 5 (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=A&sort=PTS)).. Outside of the triangle and dynasty system that he grew up in, Pippen was worse than Jeff Green (14 on 40% alongside Hakeem) - he was only a 2nd option alongside the goat scorer.
Accordingly, the proper way to perceive MJ and Pippen is that MJ was simply good enough to win with Pippen's decade-worst passing and efficiency among 90's sidekicks - the resulting winning spotlight is why Pippen started making All-NBA in 1992 (5th season).. Compare this trajectory to 4th-year Jamal Murray from the 2020 Playoffs - Jokic wasn't good enough to win with Murray's 27/5/7 on 63% true shooting (better than Pippen ever played), so Murray wasn't elevated to media accolade thereafter like Pippen.. This is just a simple example but it applies to anyone that fails to win with Iggy-caliber help from the sidekick.
Legend248
12-16-2022, 11:37 PM
1-9
awww are you ****ing idiot? What has pippen won without jordan? LMAO no ligma balls ****** or ill have you shine my ****ing shoes ok? You ****ing listening boy? Hey boy?
Spurs m8
12-16-2022, 11:39 PM
awww are you ****ing idiot? What has pippen won without jordan? LMAO no ligma balls ****** or ill have you shine my ****ing shoes ok? You ****ing listening boy? Hey boy?
Don't worry about Axe...he is a merman
Full Court
12-16-2022, 11:40 PM
Don't worry about Axe...he is a merman
A merman and a dingus. :lol
Lmao i just said 1-9 to mock op and then his homosexual disciples suddenly scrambled about it. :oldlol:
Yeezy
12-17-2022, 12:17 AM
Explain MJ’s 1-9 without Pippen
looks like lebrons finals record without bail outs
zeerghit
12-17-2022, 01:47 AM
awww are you ****ing idiot? What has pippen won without jordan? LMAO no ligma balls ****** or ill have you shine my ****ing shoes ok? You ****ing listening boy? Hey boy?
1 and fcking 9 u fake btch, stop acting that u are smth, nobody is buying that
Lebron23
12-17-2022, 04:10 AM
Still better than Wizards Jordan. Did he shot under 18.9 percent from the 3 points country in his first season with the Washington Wizards?
Full Court
12-17-2022, 09:41 AM
Still better than Wizards Jordan. Did he shot under 18.9 percent from the 3 points country in his first season with the Washington Wizards?
Wizards Jordan: made the team better.
2022 Bronie: DEAD WEIGHT
Wizards Jordan was far better than LeShrivel. It requires a brain to understand this.
Hey Yo
12-17-2022, 10:25 AM
Wizards Jordan: made the team better.
2022 Bronie: DEAD WEIGHT
Wizards Jordan was far better than LeShrivel. It requires a brain to understand this.
How are they a superteam if he's dead weight?
So dumb :roll:
expansionera
12-17-2022, 10:26 AM
awww are you ****ing idiot? What has pippen won without jordan? LMAO no ligma balls ****** or ill have you shine my ****ing shoes ok? You ****ing listening boy? Hey boy?
What has Jordan won without Pippen? Certainly not a playoff series
Legend248
12-17-2022, 01:08 PM
What has Jordan won without Pippen? Certainly not a playoff series
What has pippen done without jordan? I swear, you people are ****ing stupid, you deserve to get shot in the head and your parents too. **** you and your stupid family, if you have a problem with me, hit me up, ill **** you up and post it here. Got it boy? Hey boy? Got it?
Lebron23
12-17-2022, 01:17 PM
How are they a superteam if he's dead weight?
So dumb :roll:
The guy is basically a retard.
AlternativeAcc.
12-17-2022, 01:20 PM
What has pippen done without jordan? I swear, you people are ****ing stupid, you deserve to get shot in the head and your parents too. **** you and your stupid family, if you have a problem with me, hit me up, ill **** you up and post it here. Got it boy? Hey boy? Got it?
Midget fuming
tontoz
12-17-2022, 02:16 PM
Still better than Wizards Jordan. Did he shot under 18.9 percent from the 3 points country in his first season with the Washington Wizards?
Jordan only had 53 attempts on the season. Lebron has 153 attempts through 21 games.
Indian guy
12-17-2022, 02:35 PM
He's been fine since that dreadful start. Shot 21% from 3 the first 8 games. 38% the last 12 games.
Full Court
12-17-2022, 03:41 PM
How are they a superteam if he's dead weight?
So dumb :roll:
Two other HOF MVP-caliber players on the team. Do you even know anything about basketball?
Hey Yo
12-17-2022, 04:05 PM
So now 2 HOF players with an alleged dead weight player who allegedly makes the team worse...is a superteam??
A 6th man is considered MVP caliber? Where will Russ finish in the MVP voting this year?
Full Court
12-17-2022, 05:27 PM
The guy is basically a retard.
^Village idiot. And a pudgy little turd. :confusedshrug:
Full Court
12-17-2022, 05:29 PM
So now 2 HOF players with an alleged dead weight player who allegedly makes the team worse...is a superteam??
A 6th man is considered MVP caliber? Where will Russ finish in the MVP voting this year?
We'll see now that AD is out. Somebody's got to carry the team. It's between Westbrook and Reaves. Although, if they can't get out of the lottery, nobody on the Lakers is getting MVP. That's what happens when LeDeadweight leads a superteam to the lottery though. Best thing the Lakers could do is trade him or bench him.
Lebron23
12-17-2022, 08:27 PM
^Village idiot. And a pudgy little turd. :confusedshrug:
almost 10,000 posts. and most of it are garbage posts.
Full Court
12-17-2022, 09:14 PM
almost 10,000 posts. and most of it are garbage posts.
Over 61,000 posts. And all of them are garbage.
Just like your hero's stats. :lol
Lebron23
12-17-2022, 09:18 PM
Over 61,000 posts. And all of them are garbage.
Just like your hero's stats. :lol
Keep on melting down you autistic retard
Full Court
12-17-2022, 09:19 PM
Waaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Butthurt Bronie fluffers are so pathetic. :roll:
kawhileonard2
12-17-2022, 11:36 PM
After the Jarrett Allen block Lebron has been afraid to drive.
Full Court
12-17-2022, 11:54 PM
After the Jarrett Allen block Lebron has been afraid to drive.
After the 2021 playoffs, he's been afraid to be on the court at the same time as Devin Booker.
Ryoka Narusawa
12-18-2022, 12:22 AM
Explain MJ’s 1-9 without Pippen
:roll:
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