Donovan Mitchell did not enjoy living in Utah.

[Kblaze8855]

“It’s a little comforting for me, 100%,” he said when asked by Marc J. Spears of Andscape (https://andscape.com/features/donovan-mitchell-thinks-the-cavaliers-can-be-a-pretty-scary-group/) about playing in a predominately Black city. “I’m not going to lie about that. It’s no secret there’s a lot of stuff that I dealt with being in Utah off the floor. If I’m being honest with you, I never really said this, but it was draining. It was just draining on my energy just because you can’t sit in your room and cheer for me and then do all these different things. I’m not saying specifically every fan, but I just feel like it was a lot of things. A [Utah] state senator [Stuart Adams] saying I need to get educated on my own Black history. Seeing Black kids getting bullied because of their skin color. Seeing a little girl [Isabella Tichenor] hang herself because she’s being bullied.



“Man, it was just one thing after another. And I will say, it’s not the only place it happens. But for me, I’m continuing to be an advocate for [racial equality] and to receive the amount of pushback I got over the years, it was a lot.”



bit more….

[Kblaze8855]

“It first started, when I posted a photo for Juneteenth, and it said ‘Free-ish’ before the [NBA] bubble,” he said. “And really in the bubble, too, people just started nonstop going at me like, ‘Man, you don’t know what you’re talking about. There is injustice everywhere. It’s not just Black people.’ I’m just like, ‘Y’all have no idea.’ I took on a lot because I felt like I could do it. But at some point, it became a lot to have to deal with.


“And then to be able to not see many of us in the crowd, I tried my best to make sure I invite young Black and brown kids to games, to be around the community. But just to not see us there, it was definitely tough. And being in Cleveland now, you see us courtside. It’s just refreshing. It’s a blessing to be back around people that look like me.


“But as far as Utah, it became a lot to have to deal with on a nightly basis. I got pulled over once. I got an attitude from a cop until I gave him my ID. And that forever made me wonder what happens to the young Black kid in Utah that doesn’t have that power to just be like, ‘This is who I am.’ And that was one of the things for me that I took to heart.”







So you all fight about that for a while.

[ArbitraryWater]

"black kids bullied for their skin color" lol.

Thats what happens to white students.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mitchell's final year in Utah was grating. His relationship with Gobert was constantly under a microscope and he felt less and less accepted from the fan base. Add on to the Jazz failing to live up to expectations on the court and change didn't just appear imminent, it felt needed by all.

Not sure what he's smokin' Probably the 3rd most popular player ever in Utah

[Xiao Yao You]

3 fouls on Mitchell. Never seen him even try to defend before!

[RRR3]

"black kids bullied for their skin color" lol.

Thats what happens to white students.
You literally don’t know anything about America.

[Xiao Yao You]

can't quit me

[GrayGoat]

can't quit me

You ran him out of town

[FultzNationRISE]

It’s a blessing to be back around people that look like me.

I guess this is another one of those things you're only 'allowed' to say based on what skin color you have.

Weird how that works.

[kawhileonard2]

Who would?

[Mask the Embiid]

I guess this is another one of those things you're only 'allowed' to say based on what skin color you have.

Weird how that works.

Everywhere you go you are surrounded by white people seeing how they make up 70% of the country….so just shut the hell up. You’ve never in your life been a minority anywhere you personally have been.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who would?

me

[FultzNationRISE]

Everywhere you go you are surrounded by white people seeing how they make up 70% of the country….so just shut the hell up. You’ve never in your life been a minority anywhere you personally have been.


:roll:

You think Ive never been in black parts of town, or asian, or hispanic parts of town for various reasons and stood tf out like a sore thumb??

You must not get out much.

[bison]

Blacks are the most racially insecure, paranoid and racist people on earth

[Mask the Embiid]

:roll:

You think Ive never been in black parts of town, or asian, or hispanic parts of town for various reasons and stood tf out like a sore thumb??

You must not get out much.

Being somewhere for 15 mins and living somewhere for half a decade is a big difference…

You’ve never lived in the hood in your life



You never lived in China town in your life

[FultzNationRISE]

Being somewhere for 15 mins and living somewhere for half a decade is a big difference…

You’ve never lived in the hood in your life


You never lived in China town in your life


These are BOTH factually incorrect. When I lived in Los Angeles I used to bum around every part of the city, usually staying at the cheapest places I could find. I stayed many a night in south central AND chinatown. PLENTY of times Ive been the only white guy in the grocery store, the barber shop, and occasionally the holding center :oldlol:

You have no idea baby boy.

[Im Still Ballin]

These are BOTH factually incorrect. When I lived in Los Angeles I used to bum around every part of the city, usually staying at the cheapest places I could find. I stayed many a night in south central AND chinatown. PLENTY of times Ive been the only white guy in the grocery store, the barber shop, and occasionally the holding center :oldlol:

You have no idea baby boy.

On God!

[iamgine]

I don't know why but so many black people has this racial insecurity. Like, why would it be great to see specifically black people courtside. Or black coaches. Or anytime they get attitude automatically assume it must be their skin color.

I mean every minority race is like that but black people just take it to the next level. Like, chill homies.

[WhiteKyrie]

I always had a sneaking suspicion it would be like this for black athletes in a town like Utah. And I find it utterly despicable and disgusting. Rooting for him in the jersey but outside of that feeling like a damn out sider. I bet OKC Thunder is similar. Boston as well. Disgusting.


I don't know why but so many black people has this racial insecurity. Like, why would it be great to see specifically black people courtside. Or black coaches. Or anytime they get attitude automatically assume it must be their skin color.

I mean every minority race is like that but black people just take it to the next level. Like, chill homies.
Then again, this is also is fairly accurate. I never hear an Asian person shout Yellow Excellence either. Or refer to themselves as Kings and Queens and no one bats an eye :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

I don't know why but so many black people has this racial insecurity. Like, why would it be great to see specifically black people courtside. Or black coaches. Or anytime they get attitude automatically assume it must be their skin color.

I mean every minority race is like that but black people just take it to the next level. Like, chill homies.



Experience. And how many times white friends alert us to other whites who are incredibly racist when blacks aren’t around. A black person with close white friends will quickly realize how many white people don’t like black people. The number of times I’ve gotten close to a white person only to discover most of their family don’t like black people is wild. It’s never anyone who if you just met in the street would seem that way.

It’s church folk, people friendly in public, and family who smile when they meet you. Girl I’m dating got this email from some family after we met:




How old/young is he and did he finish High School? I doubt he ever entered college. You need a man you can lean on, depend on, that can provide for you, not one you have to support.

First let me say…I was amused at the age question because white people can never tell if I’m 25 or 50.

Now…whatever schooling demographics she might feel justified asking that question….let me ask you…


Do I strike you as someone who couldn’t even finish high school? It sparked a whole back and forth phone argument leading to an email starting this way:



I hate that Cedric the weather man on 4 has left because I liked him. I DO NOT HATE BLACKS.

The Cedric in question:


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2212201705350327.jpeg




She went with “I like black people on tv”.

Of course her sister told us the real problem. She is racist but it’s not her fault. Their dad was in the klan you see. So it turns out this girls family….on BOTH sides were klan members as recently as the 90s.

You wouldn’t know it from their words speaking to them but…there’s a look. You get to know it with time and learn not to speak on it.

Nothing like a man you know for a fact is a wife beating child molester(of his own daughter) who works retail stocking shelves and drives a 97 minivan being more accepted than you in a family because you’re black and they assume you’re uneducated and broke despite no evidence of it.

Now when I next saw this woman she wouldn’t let on she had a problem. And of course I’m polite. I just bought them an all in one pc to replace the shitty tower/monitor setup they have and an electric mower since she struggles holding the gas can with her bad hands. I go over and handle technology issues. I got them a Firestick and they love having all the streaming apps and all.

While I’m around…all good.

When I’m not….they wonder when she’s gonna find a white guy. All but her uncle. Her uncle looks like the most stereotypical redneck in the family but he’s chill. He’s a firefighter who cuts people yards on his giant mower for fun, plays some John Deere tractor video game, and has his same room from high school decorated with his high school soccer and baseball trophies. He looks and sounds like he’d be cast as “Redneck #2” in a film. But he doesn’t care what color anyone is.

So yea…you really can’t tell at a glance but you live around it long enough you have enough of these experiences, and there are enough good white friends, and just decent people…you kinda get a feel for how many openly racist types are around you.

More than you would think get exposed in screen shots, conversations they assumed would be kept quiet, and family members being sick of it.

And obviously it isn’t just white people. I had an Indian female friend who let me know about some pretty wild anti black racism her family had…and I personally know black people who hate Hispanic people and whites.

People suck. And when you’re different in a large enough group a lot of them…will not care for you for no other good reason. And that’s before the Mormon issue which gets…touchy. Most of Utah is part of a group that believed black people have dark skin as the mark of Cain….and wouldn’t allow blacks to be preachers. They did change the policy more recently but a huge number of Jazz fans who aren’t kids came up in that system.

I could easily see it being one of those “Nice to my face” but you find out what they say when you aren’t around situations.

That said….I had dealings with some Mormons years ago and they were…on the surface at least…perhaps the nicest people I ever met. Like…seems to be fake nice. Suspicious in their apparent kindness nice. So I can’t personally say a Mormon has been anything but pleasant around me. But…so was her grandma. And her stepmother. Till I was gone. So…whatever.

Long and probably about to be misunderstood story short….


Black people in America feel a lot of people quietly don’t care for us due to skin color because a lot of people don’t. And we don’t guess. Other white people tell us. It isn’t as accepted as it used to be. White people who aren’t like that often seem more offended than I am. Progress I suppose.

[Kblaze8855]

The issue I think a lot of people have is simply the way this gets framed, as if it is some role-specific phenomenon not universal to existence.

Any group has a spectrum of tolerant and intolerant members. Some are naturally open and comfortable around people from other groups, some are defensive and mistrustful. This range is found not just in humans, but in any group of animals. If you walk by a flock of birds, some dash away, others keep peckin at the ground for food. Tribalism varies among all individuals, it is not uniform among a group. And is not a thing that only happens from whites, to blacks. Thats just how it gets publicized for various reasons, and thats where some of us are annoyed.

When whites are a minority in places, they go thru the same exact thing. Some people are chill and dont mind, others are in a rush to see us leave. You cant really get rid of this aspect of human nature. At what point do we just accept it and stop letting the media exacerbate and manipulate it?

Well let’s face it, probably not any time soon.


Of course it’s different in different settings. Probably why he said he was more comfortable in a different setting. You think people pointing out uncomfortable situations with a racial dynamic are saying it would be the same in a different one?

I don’t think he was saying he’d have felt the same in Haiti. He was in a state at least 85% white…60% of which are on a faith that taught he’s black as a mark of sin. That blacks were literally carriers of the curse of Cain.

That’s the system pretty much all non millennial Mormons were raised in. You think the crowd at nba games are 22 year olds with thousands to throw away on court side seats?

Its old white people….and in Utah? I’m sure a large percent are old Mormon white people. I don’t find it hard to imagine there was a “They cheer because I play for Utah but….” feeling in the air among black players.

All of them? No. Karl Malone for one. Country music loving, truck driving, Republican. He probably feels more at home. He might be the “I have a black friend!” example for a lot of racist old white people defending themselves to their kids.

Bottom line though? It’s usually gonna be easier to look and think like the majority. I’m sure white kids in Jamaica get teased. But I’m not sure why people want such things considered when the people in question aren’t claiming otherwise.

“Some people other places are also disliked” doesn’t make it untrue to suggest you’re disliked where you are if you have evidence of it.

[Kblaze8855]

Problem is people cant listen to reason.

Ive personally always BEEN on the tolerant end of the spectrum myself. People who are different dont bother me. Anyone who knows me in real life knows this.

And I think thats true for a lot of people on this board who are incorrectly perceived. But the wealthy corporate media just has such an absolute vice grip on low IQ minds, like rrr3, real women wear green, overdrive etc who are trained like dogs to attack any nuanced appeal to reason that might threaten the interests of leaders, and call it racist. You cant have an intelligent discussion with these people, they are simply media attack dogs who arent listening to what you say, but rather checking if it matches up with the template the media has given them, and if not they drown you out in shrill cries of “nazi, klanny, orange man bad!!!”

Thats what turns a lot of otherwise tolerant, reasonable people into “bad guys” because they question the race baiting propaganda pushed by media and politicians, and then the dumb plebs who dont have brains exploit the opportunity to castigate someone and burn a witch.

Shit is loco for real tbh.


A lot of that is the messengers.

On ISH the people pushing that kinda thinking are likely already tainted with known bad shit. Guy called White Kyrie now has been on here calling black people jigaboos and apes since like 2004. Kenny is even worse than him with a history of all kinds of vile shit on forums he’s banned from all over the internet. These are the types who come in with the “It’s not racist….” claims.

It rarely if ever seems to be a reasonable level headed middle of the road type. Of course known racists are gonna be called it when trying to explain why something someone else did isn’t racist or trying to rewrite the rules of polite society.

Generally speaking it’s someone conservative who is already seen as having shaky moral standing making the case.

We hear the shit our whole lives. We know who makes certain arguments and what they think about other things.

It’s generally….not coming from anyone we would see eye to eye with on a different subject either.

You’d fight with the people you mentioned about every subject so I’m not sure why you feel a need to point out they disagree with you on racial issues.

Some kinds of people don’t get along. They hate you and you hate them. Doesn’t make it a matter of your racial views. You’d probably hate each others opinions on art, music, and condoms too.

[tontoz]

I've had family members who loved to drop the nword. At family gatherings it would get ridiculous, two uncles and their sons. One of my uncles I really didn't like. I used to think "let's see you talk so tough when they are around".

They passed it on to their sons, one of them I am tight with. Mike used to love to tell nword jokes. I avoided the nword because, like the fword, if you say it habitually it can slip out at the wrong time. That could be a problem for me since I played so much bball with black guys.

One day a couple of years ago he got mad at me when I referenced his father (deceased) saying the nword a lot. He said he had sworn off using it which was a shocker to me.

He said he had a serious talk with a black friend of ours about cops and apparently that caused him to swear off using it.

[FultzNationRISE]

Of course it’s different in different settings. Probably why he said he was more comfortable in a different setting. You think people pointing out uncomfortable situations with a racial dynamic are saying it would be the same in a different one?

I don’t think he was saying he’d have felt the same in Haiti. He was in a state at least 85% white…60% of which are on a faith that taught he’s black as a mark of sin. That blacks were literally carriers of the curse of Cain.

That’s the system pretty much all non millennial Mormons were raised in. You think the crowd at nba games are 22 year olds with thousands to throw away on court side seats?

Its old white people….and in Utah? I’m sure a large percent are old Mormon white people. I don’t find it hard to imagine there was a “They cheer because I play for Utah but….” feeling in the air among black players.

All of them? No. Karl Malone for one. Country music loving, truck driving, Republican. He probably feels more at home. He might be the “I have a black friend!” example for a lot of racist old white people defending themselves to their kids.

Bottom line though? It’s usually gonna be easier to look and think like the majority. I’m sure white kids in Jamaica get teased. But I’m not sure why people want such things considered when the people in question aren’t claiming otherwise.

“Some people other places are also disliked” doesn’t make it untrue to suggest you’re disliked where you are if you have evidence of it.


Ok but the phenomenon Mitchell is expressing is the same one the article seeks to condemn about white people in Utah.

Mitchell literally said “It’s a blessing to be around people who look like me.”

So why are white people who want to see the places they live look like them the only ones demonized as racist?? Isnt that the same sentiment Mitchell just expressed? I’m not asking because it’s a big concern to me personally, but simply because it’s a blatant double standard.

The people throwing stones have the exact same feelings and attitudes theyre condemning as reprehensible.

You just wonder if these people have any sort of self awareness about that.

[iamgine]

I get there are racist people but lots of black people are too sensitive for their own good. Seems to never question why people have this negative view and just assumed that they're the victim of a racist society. Until it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.

Also, the thing about family waiting when she's gonna find a -insert race- guy, news flash, families do that. Asian families do that. Indian families do that. Heck, black families do that.

[Kblaze8855]

I was going to reply to quite a lot up there but kept being tripped up here:



Seems to never question why people have this negative view and just assumed that they're the victim of a racist society.


I don’t think anyone profits from a “Well why don’t the Jews ask themselves why everyone hates them?” style argument. Feels like it would end at a place we don’t wanna be.

[Kblaze8855]

Ok but the phenomenon Mitchell is expressing is the same one the article seeks to condemn about white people in Utah.

Mitchell literally said “It’s a blessing to be around people who look like me.”

So why are white people who want to see the places they live look like them the only ones demonized as racist?? Isnt that the same sentiment Mitchell just expressed? I’m not asking because it’s a big concern to me personally, but simply because it’s a blatant double standard.

The people throwing stones have the exact same feelings and attitudes theyre condemning as reprehensible.

You just wonder if these people have any sort of self awareness about that.


It is not the same thing wanting to be around people like you who don’t dislike you on the basis of your skin color…and you not liking people of other skin color.

A comfort in a certain culture doesn’t have to make you hateful. And white, black, or green it doesn’t always do it.

A white guy can like white areas without being racist. A white guy who doesn’t want black people in his white area is a different story. And that’s the same no matter the color in question or color of the “outsider”.

[FultzNationRISE]

I get there are racist people but lots of black people are too sensitive for their own good. Seems to never question why people have this negative view and just assumed that they're the victim of a racist society. Until it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.


The ol “Russian Fox” experiment.

Decades ago the Soviet Union did evolutionary experiments with foxes. They took a random wild sample of foxes and brought them into confinement where they interacted with the human researchers. The researchers graded each fox based on comfortability around humans. They then bred the foxes who were comfortable with humans together, and separately bred foxes who were uncomfortable with humans together. They then combined the litters of each group and again selected for which ones were docile and at ease with humans, and which ones were reticent and stand-offish. They continued doing this over a number of generations.

The idea was to see if breeding foxes solely for “tolerance” would correlate to changes in physical characteristics.

And it did.

Over time, foxes from the tolerant, docile groups developed measurably droopier ears, duller fur, and I forget what else. Foxes who retained more unapproachable dispositions had brighter fur, pointier ears etc. Even tho they all descended from the same original foxes.

There were of course exceptions on both sides, where physical traits did not predict psychological behavior. But on a macro level… this was the science.

For whatever it’s worth.

[FultzNationRISE]

A white guy can like white areas without being racist. A white guy who doesn’t want black people in his white area is a different story. And that’s the same no matter the color in question or color of the “outsider”.


I agree but I think it always comes down to the perception of the trend.

If I move to Japan, hopefully people will welcome me and be friendly and protect my rights, and Im sure they would.

If 2 million Americans suddenly showed up in Japan, itd be a completely different story. There would undoubtedly be more resentment and hostility.

And this is the case no matter who’s involved. Spike Lee has complained bitterly about white gentrification of historically black areas in NYC.

So maybe Utah is experiencing change its residents arent thrilled about, and Mitchell bore the brunt of some of that frustration. And I would completely understand how that would frustrate him.

Believe me, I empathize with the guy. He seems like a good dude, I dont think any of this was his fault obviously. But, that doesnt mean it was necessarily anyone elses fault. And thats what this Disney-owned “Andscape” rag is always seeking to push. That it’s the fault of whitey once again.

[FultzNationRISE]

Basically, the narratives from “Andscape” are always framed as black power, but the rag is actually controlled by, uhh, well… lets just say, Kyrie wouldnt approve.