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diamenz
12-22-2022, 03:09 PM
i'm sure you've all heard by now about our hero zelensky's visit to the white house & capital. i scroll through youtube comments of all of the npc's praising our hero zelensky and 'oh my what a beautiful speech'! or about how cute the phony 'military leader' is fumbling over his bad english. how we 'stand with ukraine'!

gimme a break.

it's iraq-style brainwashing all over again... and it's working. the zelensky visit was obviously all a show to get libtard america duped into sending endless billions to ukraine in our little proxy war. meanwhile, you and i and our children are already all indebted for $20k each for bush's 'oopsie didn't find any weapons of ass destruction'! ...we're headed into the same shit all over again.

americans are fuc*ing blinded man. there's no winning this war for ukraine. the lives lost, the american billions spent will be all for naught... just like iraq.

bladefd
12-22-2022, 03:30 PM
I don't know what to feel about this tbh. I don't really have an opinion on zelensky visit.

Patrick Chewing
12-22-2022, 03:35 PM
I don't know what to feel about this tbh. I don't really have an opinion on zelensky visit.

But you should have a feeling on all this money given to Ukraine while store shelves across the United States remain empty. Him speaking in front of Congress yesterday was basically just to ask for more money.

Lakers Legend#32
12-22-2022, 06:20 PM
Republicans had no problem about paying and letting thousands of Americans die in a war based on lies.

Now we are suppose to believe they are the peace party?

Patrick Chewing
12-22-2022, 06:23 PM
Republicans had no problem about paying and letting thousands of Americans die in a war based on lies.

Now we are suppose to believe they are the peace party?

As usual, you post nothing of substance. Just an attack on Republicans and Conservatives. Your reply doesn't even have anything to do with the topic. You're just addicted to trolling and shit posting.

bladefd
12-22-2022, 08:11 PM
But you should have a feeling on all this money given to Ukraine while store shelves across the United States remain empty. Him speaking in front of Congress yesterday was basically just to ask for more money.

So, you think we gave a big sum of money to Ukraine??

How much money has US given Ukraine to date? 48 billion. Some of it was also loans that Ukraine will owe us, probably with interest, but I'm not even counting that right now.

What is US' total budget for 2022? 6.27 trillion.

So, 0.76% of US' budget was sent to Ukraine. It's not even close to a single percent. 76 cents on the dollar keeps Russia at bay from expansion into Ukraine. Is that not worth it to you?

Sources:
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/#:~:text=Spending%20Trends%20Over%20Time%20and,the %20United%20States%20that%20year.

Rolando
12-22-2022, 09:57 PM
i'm sure you've all heard by now about our hero zelensky's visit to the white house & capital. i scroll through youtube comments of all of the npc's praising our hero zelensky and 'oh my what a beautiful speech'! or about how cute the phony 'military leader' is fumbling over his bad english. how we 'stand with ukraine'!

gimme a break.

it's iraq-style brainwashing all over again... and it's working. the zelensky visit was obviously all a show to get libtard america duped into sending endless billions to ukraine in our little proxy war. meanwhile, you and i and our children are already all indebted for $20k each for bush's 'oopsie didn't find any weapons of ass destruction'! ...we're headed into the same shit all over again.

americans are fuc*ing blinded man. there's no winning this war for ukraine. the lives lost, the american billions spent will be all for naught... just like iraq.

I totally agree. It's astounding that Americans are still on board with this stupidity. Everyone has had ample time to look into the roots of this conflict. The supposed intellectuals on the Left are usually very proud of knowing the facts. However, even at this late date, there's only a microscopic group of people voicing skepticism about this colossal waste of money and lives. I guess as long as it's not actual americans who are dying nobody really gives a crap.

Continue sending billions to the most screwed up country in Europe. Great plan. (Note: The billions are actually going to the defense industry. If you are invested in stocks, buying stocks in these companies is a no-brainer at the moment. Europe and the US have heavily depleted their stockpiles of weapons and munitions. It will take years to replenish. This will happen no matter what the outcome of the war. Your welcome.)

Off the Court
12-22-2022, 10:31 PM
1. It doesn't matter what you or me or anyone thinks about this. "libtards eating it up" means squat. Almost everyone was against the Iraq war, it meant nothing. Our thoughts on this subject are an afterthought. No one is keeping tabs on who is for or against.

2. We send billions in the form of "just printing it up". It isn't our tax dollars, it isn't our money, it's the Gov writing a bill and "money printer go brrrr". Sending it to the Ukraine does not add to our inflation.

3. This is about keeping the US above Russia in terms of world dominance. Russia is no longer a world power. I'm on board with that. Truth be told, Putin is a bad human and I'd like him to be as crippled as we can make him. Hell I'd like him dead. But back to #1, no one is taking tabs on my thoughts.

Patrick Chewing
12-23-2022, 12:08 AM
So, you think we gave a big sum of money to Ukraine??

How much money has US given Ukraine to date? 48 billion. Some of it was also loans that Ukraine will owe us, probably with interest, but I'm not even counting that right now.

What is US' total budget for 2022? 6.27 trillion.

So, 0.76% of US' budget was sent to Ukraine. It's not even close to a single percent. 76 cents on the dollar keeps Russia at bay from expansion into Ukraine. Is that not worth it to you?

Sources:
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/#:~:text=Spending%20Trends%20Over%20Time%20and,the %20United%20States%20that%20year.

Wow you're a ****ing nut. You actually think we should give more money to Ukraine while store shelves across the country lack baby formula.

And then simpletons like you believe that if we go against giving money to Ukraine that it somehow means we support Russia. Why does it have to be us helping Ukraine? Why can't we put emphasis on our problems first before we focus on the rest of the world's problems?? You would have to be insane to disagree with that.

Jasper
12-23-2022, 12:37 AM
Wow you're a ****ing nut. You actually think we should give more money to Ukraine while store shelves across the country lack baby formula.

And then simpletons like you believe that if we go against giving money to Ukraine that it somehow means we support Russia. Why does it have to be us helping Ukraine? Why can't we put emphasis on our problems first before we focus on the rest of the world's problems?? You would have to be insane to disagree with that.
what do you care - you don't have a baby.

Obviously he came to America cause his country is losing the war. So is Russia... and many of Putin's citizens have left for higher ground.
zelensky did point out that Iran is involved as USA government is aware of , and could affect NATO nations. This is the kind of crap Putin does. So if some how USA stabilizes Europe should we condone our own country ?
Iraq was a different animal , and had little to no bearing on our defenses or for that matter our country other than oil.

https://youtu.be/fyf0td6_jgs

Axe
12-23-2022, 01:36 AM
As usual, you post nothing of substance. Just an attack on Republicans and Conservatives. Your reply doesn't even have anything to do with the topic. You're just addicted to trolling and shit posting.
Yet somehow, he's still able to draw your attention. :roll:

Patrick Chewing
12-23-2022, 04:10 AM
what do you care - you don't have a baby.

Obviously he came to America cause his country is losing the war. So is Russia... and many of Putin's citizens have left for higher ground.
zelensky did point out that Iran is involved as USA government is aware of , and could affect NATO nations. This is the kind of crap Putin does. So if some how USA stabilizes Europe should we condone our own country ?
Iraq was a different animal , and had little to no bearing on our defenses or for that matter our country other than oil.

https://youtu.be/fyf0td6_jgs

You realize what you guys are saying? You're willing to dump on Americans just to be on the opposing side of someone like me. What do I care? Really? What do you care about Ukrainians? If you love them so much, more than your fellow American, then move to Ukraine. I'll help your sorry inbred ass pack.

Lakers Legend#32
12-23-2022, 04:29 AM
Yet somehow, he's still able to draw your attention. :roll:

And he still won't block me for good.

ZenMaster
12-23-2022, 06:01 AM
So, you think we gave a big sum of money to Ukraine??

How much money has US given Ukraine to date? 48 billion. Some of it was also loans that Ukraine will owe us, probably with interest, but I'm not even counting that right now.

What is US' total budget for 2022? 6.27 trillion.

So, 0.76% of US' budget was sent to Ukraine. It's not even close to a single percent. 76 cents on the dollar keeps Russia at bay from expansion into Ukraine. Is that not worth it to you?

Sources:
https://www.cfr.org/article/how-much-aid-has-us-sent-ukraine-here-are-six-charts
https://fiscaldata.treasury.gov/americas-finance-guide/federal-spending/#:~:text=Spending%20Trends%20Over%20Time%20and,the %20United%20States%20that%20year.


On November 15, the administration submitted a new aid request of $37.7 billion which, if passed, would bring the total to $105.5 billion. This new aid package is designed to last through the end of the fiscal year (September 30, 2023). However, at the current rate of spending ($6.8 billion per month), this would last until about May. At that point, unless the war has ended or settled into a stalemate, the administration would need to ask for additional money.

https://www.csis.org/analysis/aid-ukraine-explained-six-charts

It still boggles my mind that the average person can't see through the bullshit, that the same country from which companies within the energy sector(owned by a minister within said country) were giving money to family members of US government for no show jobs until they got caught, is now the same country that the US uses to run a proxy war with Russia.

Ukraine is important to US politicians because they want to profit from it, John McCain and other members of Congress don't give speeches on the national squares of other Eastern European countries about their freedoms unless they have ulterior motives.

Jasper
12-23-2022, 11:28 AM
You realize what you guys are saying? You're willing to dump on Americans just to be on the opposing side of someone like me. What do I care? Really? What do you care about Ukrainians? If you love them so much, more than your fellow American, then move to Ukraine. I'll help your sorry inbred ass pack.

Patrick : I would never want you to control an army I am in. You are obviously near sited. LOOK AT THE WORLD PICTURE.

Patrick Chewing
12-23-2022, 11:33 AM
Patrick : I would never want you to control an army I am in. You are obviously near sited. LOOK AT THE WORLD PICTURE.

What? Please type a coherent sentence when speaking to me. You're a war monger, plain and simple. You are what you used to accuse the Republicans of being. How the tables have turned.

Patrick Chewing
12-23-2022, 12:58 PM
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bladefd
12-23-2022, 02:04 PM
Wow you're a ****ing nut. You actually think we should give more money to Ukraine while store shelves across the country lack baby formula.

And then simpletons like you believe that if we go against giving money to Ukraine that it somehow means we support Russia. Why does it have to be us helping Ukraine? Why can't we put emphasis on our problems first before we focus on the rest of the world's problems?? You would have to be insane to disagree with that.

More money to Ukraine? No, that is you saying I said it. I never said that.

I am simply saying that we allotted a very tiny amount of our budget to Ukraine. It's almost insignificant, simpleton. Too little to change anything inflation-wise. Nothing else has been said by me. It's you showcasing your fears and shortcomings.

bladefd
12-23-2022, 02:11 PM
https://www.csis.org/analysis/aid-ukraine-explained-six-charts

It still boggles my mind that the average person can't see through the bullshit, that the same country from which companies within the energy sector(owned by a minister within said country) were giving money to family members of US government for no show jobs until they got caught, is now the same country that the US uses to run a proxy war with Russia.

Ukraine is important to US politicians because they want to profit from it, John McCain and other members of Congress don't give speeches on the national squares of other Eastern European countries about their freedoms unless they have ulterior motives.

I probably would not send that much money to Ukraine in proposed deals. I would keep a limit on it. Can't be sending out too much. I am okay with what has been sent so far but have to put a cap on it at some point.

kabar
12-23-2022, 02:20 PM
I totally agree. It's astounding that Americans are still on board with this stupidity. Everyone has had ample time to look into the roots of this conflict. The supposed intellectuals on the Left are usually very proud of knowing the facts. However, even at this late date, there's only a microscopic group of people voicing skepticism about this colossal waste of money and lives. I guess as long as it's not actual americans who are dying nobody really gives a crap.

Continue sending billions to the most screwed up country in Europe. Great plan. (Note: The billions are actually going to the defense industry. If you are invested in stocks, buying stocks in these companies is a no-brainer at the moment. Europe and the US have heavily depleted their stockpiles of weapons and munitions. It will take years to replenish. This will happen no matter what the outcome of the war. Your welcome.)
For someone who bitches about people not knowing what they're talking about, you have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about. Every US made munition is on loan and is supposed to be paid back, whether or not it will depends on if Ukraine's leadership is US friendly and stays in power. The UK just finished paying up loans in 2020 from WWII.

The same "conservatives" who bitched about Obama being weak for doing nothing in 2014 are bitching now when we are doing something. Most of you are braindead with a memory of a goldfish.

Rolando
12-23-2022, 10:26 PM
For someone who bitches about people not knowing what they're talking about, you have absolutely zero clue what you're talking about. Every US made munition is on loan and is supposed to be paid back, whether or not it will depends on if Ukraine's leadership is US friendly and stays in power. The UK just finished paying up loans in 2020 from WWII.

The same "conservatives" who bitched about Obama being weak for doing nothing in 2014 are bitching now when we are doing something. Most of you are braindead with a memory of a goldfish.

Oh dear.....my goodness. So sorry. We have a real genius here on board. That's right: Ukraine is going to pay us back, like, 60 billion......Forgive me. I forgot all about that. This is actually an investment. hahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Axe
12-23-2022, 11:09 PM
Sad to see starface (under his fultz dup) cannot show his takes here because he's banned atm. :(

Patrick Chewing
12-23-2022, 11:57 PM
Sad to see starface (under his fultz dup) cannot show his takes here because he's banned atm. :(

How do you know who starface is?

Axe
12-24-2022, 12:33 AM
How do you know who starface is?
Secret. 🤫

Patrick Chewing
12-24-2022, 01:28 AM
Secret. 🤫

Just tell us who's alt this is. Simple as that.

BigKobeFan
12-24-2022, 01:30 AM
Oh dear.....my goodness. So sorry. We have a real genius here on board. That's right: Ukraine is going to pay us back, like, 60 billion......Forgive me. I forgot all about that. This is actually an investment. hahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Ignore him. That guy is retarded.

kabar
12-24-2022, 06:44 PM
Oh dear.....my goodness. So sorry. We have a real genius here on board. That's right: Ukraine is going to pay us back, like, 60 billion......Forgive me. I forgot all about that. This is actually an investment. hahahahahahahahahahaahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Yes that's the play by people much smarter than your dumbass trying to convince people on a message board. Especially if the military industrial complex gets to get rid of their EOL munitions and gets to beta test new ones in Ukraine. Look at defense stocks through the fed driven constriction, steady growth because the war machine continues. People inherently distrust big pharma so the pandemic didn't work, so they're back to the MIC to make the rich richer.

Nanners
01-12-2023, 06:21 AM
The entire Russian military budget for 2021 was 3.22 trillion rubles which is about $45b in USD. The Russian military budget for 2022 (which includes ~9 months of war in Ukraine) was 4.679 trillion rubles = $69b in USD.... which means the war in Ukraine has resulted in a $24b increase to Russian military spending.

So the US has already given Ukraine more money than Russias entire 2021 Military Budget, and with another ~$40b promised in the recent $1.7t spending bill soon we will have given more than ~$80b to Ukraine, which is almost 4x as much as Russia has spent on the war... and thats ignoring the fact that Ukraine has also received billions of dollars from European and other pro-western countries. And what does the west have to show for all these billions of dollars? In spite of the insane sums of money and endless weapons and intelligence resources that the west is giving Ukraine, Russia has been the dominant force since day 1 and it doesnt look like thats going to change any time soon.

Off the Court
01-12-2023, 11:41 AM
The entire Russian military budget for 2021 was 3.22 trillion rubles which is about $45b in USD. The Russian military budget for 2022 (which includes ~9 months of war in Ukraine) was 4.679 trillion rubles = $69b in USD.... which means the war in Ukraine has resulted in a $24b increase to Russian military spending.

So the US has already given Ukraine more money than Russias entire 2021 Military Budget, and with another ~$40b promised in the recent $1.7t spending bill soon we will have given more than ~$80b to Ukraine, which is almost 4x as much as Russia has spent on the war... and thats ignoring the fact that Ukraine has also received billions of dollars from European and other pro-western countries. And what does the west have to show for all these billions of dollars? In spite of the insane sums of money and endless weapons and intelligence resources that the west is giving Ukraine, Russia has been the dominant force since day 1 and it doesnt look like thats going to change any time soon.

World dominance along with China. Russia has been booted from being an dominant country leaving just the US and China at the top.

This is the US opportunity to weaken Russia and they aren't going to let it pass them by.

Nanners
01-12-2023, 11:57 AM
World dominance along with China. Russia has been booted from being an dominant country leaving just the US and China at the top.

This is the US opportunity to weaken Russia and they aren't going to let it pass them by.

LMAO at thinking Russia is any less dominant now than they were prior to the war...

Imagine thinking that Russia is weak right now... after all its not like they have spent the past year kicking the everliving shit out of Ukraine (in spite of the fact that the ukies have had the entire western world showering them with weapons, intel, and money)

Off the Court
01-12-2023, 12:51 PM
LMAO at thinking Russia is any less dominant now than they were prior to the war...

Imagine thinking that Russia is weak right now... after all its not like they have spent the past year kicking the everliving shit out of Ukraine (in spite of the fact that the ukies have had the entire western world showering them with weapons, intel, and money)
They are significantly weaker now and have significantly less allies. Regardless of the outcome of this war they are in much worse shape.

Imagine believing that they are "kicking the everliving shit" out of Ukraine though :roll:

They basically have control of less land than they did 1 year ago.

bladefd
01-12-2023, 01:25 PM
The entire Russian military budget for 2021 was 3.22 trillion rubles which is about $45b in USD. The Russian military budget for 2022 (which includes ~9 months of war in Ukraine) was 4.679 trillion rubles = $69b in USD.... which means the war in Ukraine has resulted in a $24b increase to Russian military spending.

So the US has already given Ukraine more money than Russias entire 2021 Military Budget, and with another ~$40b promised in the recent $1.7t spending bill soon we will have given more than ~$80b to Ukraine, which is almost 4x as much as Russia has spent on the war... and thats ignoring the fact that Ukraine has also received billions of dollars from European and other pro-western countries. And what does the west have to show for all these billions of dollars? In spite of the insane sums of money and endless weapons and intelligence resources that the west is giving Ukraine, Russia has been the dominant force since day 1 and it doesnt look like thats going to change any time soon.

We are what? 11 months into the war? What does Russia have to show for being the "dominant force since day 1"? Most of Ukraine is still under Ukraine control.

I will give you one thing though: credit for consistency. You have been claiming since the beginning of the war that Russia is doing great and running all over Ukrainian forces. 11 months later, you are still saying the same thing but Ukraine still controls most of the same area they did before the war began. A+ to you for consistency, Russian shill :applause:

Nanners
01-12-2023, 01:26 PM
They are significantly weaker now and have significantly less allies. Regardless of the outcome of this war they are in much worse shape.

Imagine believing that they are "kicking the everliving shit" out of Ukraine though :roll:

They basically have control of less land than they did 1 year ago.

Name a single "ally" that Russia lost because of this war.

If they arent kicking the shit out of Ukraine, why does Ukraine require another billion dollars from the west every week? If they arent kicking the shit out of Ukraine, when exactly is Ukraine going to start expelling Russian forces from within their borders? The only reason Russia "controls less land" than they did earlier is because they have chosen to withdraw in some areas, its not like Ukraine has ever successfully pushed Russian forces backward. Also, when did Russia ever say that "controlling land" was their goal? As far as I have heard, Russias stated goals are de-nazification (in other words - the total destruction of Azov Battalion), and the independence of the eastern states where Azov has been ethnically cleansing Russian speakers (which are mostly under russian control at this moment).

Nanners
01-12-2023, 01:29 PM
We are what? 11 months into the war? What does Russia have to show for being the "dominant force since day 1"? Most of Ukraine is still under Ukraine control.

And what does Ukraine have to show for their fighting... aside from losing control of several of their eastern states and wasting billions of western dollars

ZenMaster
01-12-2023, 01:34 PM
They are significantly weaker now and have significantly less allies. Regardless of the outcome of this war they are in much worse shape.

Imagine believing that they are "kicking the everliving shit" out of Ukraine though :roll:

They basically have control of less land than they did 1 year ago.

Can you define how they are weaker? What is it they're in much worse shape for? Like, is the country going to fall or will the people there demand leadership that will align with Western interests? Your statements lack context.

https://twitter.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1613532635967459331

https://twitter.com/thatdayin1992/status/1613456688144855041

Off the Court
01-12-2023, 01:50 PM
Let's see they have been sanctioned by the rest of the world, are pouring all of their resources into war that has been locked in stale mate for over a year, and are now looking to draft 500k citizens to fight in it. Their military has been decimated. China is starting to distance, Russian economy is hurting, citizens are fleeing, I don't need to spell these obvious byproducts of the war out because you already know them.

How has this war benefitted Russia?

bladefd
01-12-2023, 02:06 PM
And what does Ukraine have to show for their fighting... aside from losing control of several of their eastern states and wasting billions of western dollars

The defense of their country has held for 11 months even though nobody expected them to. Most of their country area is still under their control.

Charlie Sheen
01-12-2023, 02:28 PM
Let's see they have been sanctioned by the rest of the world, are pouring all of their resources into war that has been locked in stale mate for over a year, and are now looking to draft 500k citizens to fight in it. Their military has been decimated. China is starting to distance, Russian economy is hurting, citizens are fleeing, I don't need to spell these obvious byproducts of the war out because you already know them.

How has this war benefitted Russia?

Demand for energy across Europe continues to increase without any viable alternative to a Russian supply.

Nanners
01-12-2023, 02:52 PM
The defense of their country has held for 11 months even though nobody expected them to. Most of their country area is still under their control.

WTF you talking about "nobody expected them to"... I have heard countless libtards over the past year claim that Ukraine is going to push Russia back beyond their borders and ultimately topple Putin

How exactly has the defense held for 11 months? Russia easily conquered most of Ukraines eastern provinces within a month or two of the conflict starting, and the only areas of Ukraine that have been recaptured by their armed forces are areas that were abandoned by Russian troops. While Russia has near total air supremacy and the ability to basically strike anywhere in Ukraine at any time, the only things resembling meaningful attacks that Ukraine has managed to make against Russia is hitting a handful of Russian airbases with rocket artillery.

Anyway, If you werent a total idiot you might be aware of the fact that for the past 200+ years Russia has been incredibly successful following a military doctrine that actively ceedes territory to their opponents in order to put their opponents in a more difficult position. Russia has defeated some of the finest militaries this world has ever seen - like Napoleon and Hitler, by strategically retreating.

Charlie Sheen
01-12-2023, 03:04 PM
WTF you talking about "nobody expected them to"... I have heard countless libtards over the past year claim that Ukraine is going to push Russia back beyond their borders and ultimately topple Putin

How exactly has the defense held for 11 months? Russia easily conquered most of Ukraines eastern provinces within a month or two of the conflict starting, and the only areas of Ukraine that have been recaptured by their armed forces are areas that were abandoned by Russian troops. While Russia has near total air supremacy and the ability to basically strike anywhere in Ukraine at any time, the only things resembling meaningful attacks that Ukraine has managed to make against Russia is hitting a handful of Russian airbases with rocket artillery.

Anyway, If you werent a total idiot you might be aware of the fact that for the past 200+ years Russia has been incredibly successful following a military doctrine that actively ceedes territory to their opponents in order to put their opponents in a more difficult position. Russia has defeated some of the finest militaries this world has ever seen - like Napoleon and Hitler, by strategically retreating.

So this is how peter always kicked my ass in civilization? :lol

Nanners
01-12-2023, 03:12 PM
So this is how peter always kicked my ass in civilization? :lol

It kinda blows my mind how little respect americans have for the Russian military. Russia has one of the strongest military traditions of any country on this planet, and their record speaks for itself...

Off the Court
01-12-2023, 04:40 PM
Demand for energy across Europe continues to increase without any viable alternative to a Russian supply.
So how does that benefit Russia?

Europe is getting US exports now. Another reason for the US to fund this war, they are profiting off of it.

Off the Court
01-12-2023, 04:41 PM
It kinda blows my mind how little respect americans have for the Russian military. Russia has one of the strongest military traditions of any country on this planet, and their record speaks for itself...

What military? They are using civilians now.

Nanners
01-12-2023, 05:01 PM
What military? They are using civilians now.

Thank you for helping to prove my point

bladefd
01-12-2023, 09:19 PM
WTF you talking about "nobody expected them to"... I have heard countless libtards over the past year claim that Ukraine is going to push Russia back beyond their borders and ultimately topple Putin

How exactly has the defense held for 11 months? Russia easily conquered most of Ukraines eastern provinces within a month or two of the conflict starting, and the only areas of Ukraine that have been recaptured by their armed forces are areas that were abandoned by Russian troops. While Russia has near total air supremacy and the ability to basically strike anywhere in Ukraine at any time, the only things resembling meaningful attacks that Ukraine has managed to make against Russia is hitting a handful of Russian airbases with rocket artillery.

Anyway, If you werent a total idiot you might be aware of the fact that for the past 200+ years Russia has been incredibly successful following a military doctrine that actively ceedes territory to their opponents in order to put their opponents in a more difficult position. Russia has defeated some of the finest militaries this world has ever seen - like Napoleon and Hitler, by strategically retreating.

You are spending too much time on 4chan. The fact is most people, including most liberals yes, expected Russia to roll all over Ukraine. I dunno what sort of idiots you hang out with, but most people I know expected Russia to take over Ukraine in a month or two. A drawn-out war or even for Ukraine to win was not expected.

Russian forces are struggling and have been for multiple months. Russia has been resorting to drafting large numbers of men and using prisoners for months now due to heavy losses to their regular troops, which are young & inexperienced from everything I've read.

Initially Ukraine gave up a lot of land in first month (there was the massive convoy of Russian military vehicles just outside Kyiv if you recall) before Ukraine pushed back to reclaim land with help of weapons from the West (most importantly anti-tank missiles like Javelins & attack drones). Russian forces were forced to retreat and have been unsuccessful in further offensives since.

Off the Court
01-12-2023, 09:26 PM
Nanners is in some deranged state of denial where this is all going exactly as planned for Russia and everything is going swimmingly lol.

Chick Stern
01-13-2023, 01:16 AM
So how does that benefit Russia?

Europe is getting US exports now. Another reason for the US to fund this war, they are profiting off of it.
An ideal proxy war. No Americans risked, Russia weakened, massive profit selling weapons.

Lakers Legend#32
01-13-2023, 02:12 AM
Cons eat up the Iraq War.

ZenMaster
01-13-2023, 07:13 AM
You are spending too much time on 4chan. The fact is most people, including most liberals yes, expected Russia to roll all over Ukraine. I dunno what sort of idiots you hang out with, but most people I know expected Russia to take over Ukraine in a month or two. A drawn-out war or even for Ukraine to win was not expected.

Russian forces are struggling and have been for multiple months. Russia has been resorting to drafting large numbers of men and using prisoners for months now due to heavy losses to their regular troops, which are young & inexperienced from everything I've read.

Initially Ukraine gave up a lot of land in first month (there was the massive convoy of Russian military vehicles just outside Kyiv if you recall) before Ukraine pushed back to reclaim land with help of weapons from the West (most importantly anti-tank missiles like Javelins & attack drones). Russian forces were forced to retreat and have been unsuccessful in further offensives since.

Because the people you know are probably aren't much smarter than yourself and most of what you believe about this war aligns completely with what Western military experts have said for the duration(people sent on TV to shape your opinion a certain way about the war in order go gather support).

You're right that the Russian army in Ukraine has seen a lot of dead and that it's gone back and forth for a bit, but so has the Ukrainian army and same as the Russian they're calling in civilians to fight in the war. They're also young and inexperienced.
Russia has recently called in a big number of new people to send to Ukraine, but most of those are currently in training and haven't seen the battlefield yet.

Russia winning over Ukraine relatively easily was without Western support, but from the moment Biden said that they're going to do everything to support(run a proxy war), it was clear that this was going to drag out. The situation is the same now, if the West stopped supplying weapons, the war would end relatively soon after Ukraine runs out of ammunition.

Here's me replying to one of your post in the Ukraine thread about 11 months ago, I outlined quite easily how this war is going to drag out, you just didn't listen:


I don't control how this world that we're born into works, but given how it functions and how various large countries have different security concerns due to relative recent events, then no, the US isn't allowed to ally itself with a country that share that long of a border with Russia.
The proof of that fact being true is what you've been watching on the news for the last two days.

Western politicians aren't stupid, they must have known this would happen. I think within the context of recent events as well with covid shutdowns and the effects of that, the politicians had even more of an obligation to seek a peaceful solution instead of forcing a new crisis for the common people.

Sure it's great to technically have the moral high ground, but it doesn't change the fact that Putin reacted on his security issue, exactly like he said he would.

So what's the endgame for the western coalition? Impose sanctions that hurt the Russian people until they remove Putin? Or just until he agrees to let Ukraine join NATO?

I have a hard time seeing either happen in the near future and Joe Biden said as well yesterday that it'll take time and we have to show resolve, so get comfy with this shit.

Do you want to make Putin desperate? Just how desperate? The man runs a country that has nukes and as you've said yourself quite often, he's a ruthless killer.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?501882-Ukraine&p=14545474&viewfull=1#post14545474

The convoy towards Kiev btw that was just sitting there for a few weeks and which all the experts were wondering about why it wasn't moving before one day it seemingly did. Due to the numerous Ukrainian forces being pulled back to defend around the capital, it's actually what opened up so much land towards the east for Russia easily to take. I didn't hear that from a western military expert though, I think they more or less just stopped talking about the convoy from one day to the other as it wasn't there anymore.

Charlie Sheen
01-13-2023, 11:27 AM
So how does that benefit Russia?

Europe is getting US exports now. Another reason for the US to fund this war, they are profiting off of it.

Russia benefits in the same way the US does... driving profits at the expense of poor people and poor nations.