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GrayGoat
12-23-2022, 12:45 AM
As Pippen improved the Bulls improved. The gravity Pippen had on the team a d success in general is astonishing

Lebron23
12-23-2022, 01:19 AM
As Pippen improved the Bulls improved. The gravity Pippen had on the team a d success in general is astonishing

No Pip equals No Chip

Yeezy
12-23-2022, 01:21 AM
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Bawkish
12-23-2022, 01:29 AM
Just like Bron's success coincides with him creating superteams

Yeezy
12-23-2022, 01:33 AM
Just like Bron's success coincides with him creating superteams

and no 2004 olympic success vs scrubs like carlos arroyo either. meanwhile jordans beating magic, bird, isiah and other superstars

:lol

Axe
12-23-2022, 01:38 AM
Remember the bulls keep on improving the more their cast got better each year? That kind of success has little to do with jordan, although that's not to say his value was never important to the team.

Airupthere
12-23-2022, 02:43 AM
So players got better playing with MJ? Sounds good to me. Rather than superteam with stars, you help create that winning environment. Expect people to step up since this is not a one man game.

Unlike with bronbron, he superteams with fresh stars and they decline within 2-3 years. Doesn’t sound good at all.

Spurs m8
12-23-2022, 04:24 AM
Just like Bron's success coincides with him creating superteams

Exactly lol

And then when his 1b is injured, he's lottery.

PeroAntic
12-23-2022, 10:08 AM
Pippen's improvement directly coincides with Jordan being the leader of that team.

Full Court
12-23-2022, 10:25 AM
As Pippen improved the Bulls improved. The gravity Pippen had on the team a d success in general is astonishing

Bronie's success directly coincides with jumping ship to a stacked team.

Duderonomy
12-23-2022, 10:31 AM
Jordan only needed a Wiggins/ Danny Granger level talent to win 6 chips. He didn't need to a join Stockton and Malone or Barkley and KJ duo every 4 seasons.

bullettooth
12-23-2022, 11:04 AM
Jordan only needed a Wiggins/ Danny Granger level talent to win 6 chips. He didn't need to a join Stockton and Malone or Barkley and KJ duo every 4 seasons.

If MJ took shortcuts like LeBron did, he'd likely have teamed up with Barkley (close friend at the time, same draft year) and recruited another big like Olajuwon (also same draft, but wasnt an All-Star then) or Ewing (same conference, considering LeBron just took the best guys in the East and gave himself a cakewalk to the finals). All that just to beat the Pistons (sort of, but not really, like LeBron teaming up just to get over the Celtics).

Can you really imagine MJ, with that kind of supporting cast going 2/4 in the finals before jumping ship and creating another super team like a bitch?

3ba11
12-23-2022, 12:04 PM
Jordan would've won with any top 10 team defense (#7 during 1st three-peat) and any sidekick that improves to secondary production status (16-20 ppg)

So it could've been anyone - it just happened to be Pippen

Among notable 90's sidekicks, Pippen had the worst passing, efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), spacing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s), clutch (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=259s), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-04-2022/B-6qB7.gif), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/cKS3B2.gif), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif), here (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=A&sort=PTS)), and lowest peak capability (not on scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif)).. Pippen's low peak capability meant that MJ faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load) for every season and series of his career (unique to Jordan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s)).. As the links show, this is all historical record..

Accordingly, the proper way to perceive MJ and Pippen is that MJ was simply good enough to win with Pippen's decade-worst passing and efficiency among 90's sidekicks - the resulting winning spotlight is why Pippen started making All-NBA in 1992 (5th season).. Compare this trajectory to 4th-year Jamal Murray from the 2020 Playoffs - Jokic wasn't good enough to win with Murray's 27/5/7 on 63% true shooting (better than Pippen ever played), so Murray wasn't elevated to media accolade thereafter like Pippen.. This is just a simple example but it applies to anyone that fails to win with Iggy-caliber help from the sidekick.

GrayGoat
12-23-2022, 02:01 PM
Jordan would've won with any top 10 team defense (#7 during 1st three-peat) and any sidekick that improves to secondary production status (16-20 ppg)

So it could've been anyone - it just happened to be Pippen

Among notable 90's sidekicks, Pippen had the worst passing, efficiency (https://i.ibb.co/qBBHvB1/chrome-d-EXe-R4x-E8t.jpg), spacing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmBbmIE_Kxc&t=114s), clutch (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg_-JIbekYM&t=259s), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/1-04-2022/B-6qB7.gif), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2021/cKS3B2.gif), here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif), here (https://www.nba.com/stats/players/clutch-traditional?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&dir=A&sort=PTS)), and lowest peak capability (not on scouting report (https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-27-2022/qrDm8n.gif)).. Pippen's low peak capability meant that MJ faced maximum defensive attention (carried scoring load) for every season and series of his career (unique to Jordan (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UF6Xx3F2Lo&t=01m54s)).. As the links show, this is all historical record..

Accordingly, the proper way to perceive MJ and Pippen is that MJ was simply good enough to win with Pippen's decade-worst passing and efficiency among 90's sidekicks - the resulting winning spotlight is why Pippen started making All-NBA in 1992 (5th season).. Compare this trajectory to 4th-year Jamal Murray from the 2020 Playoffs - Jokic wasn't good enough to win with Murray's 27/5/7 on 63% true shooting (better than Pippen ever played), so Murray wasn't elevated to media accolade thereafter like Pippen.. This is just a simple example but it applies to anyone that fails to win with Iggy-caliber help from the sidekick.

What I gathered from this is that if there is no Pip then there is no chip

3ba11
12-23-2022, 02:49 PM
What I gathered from this is that if there is no Pip then there is no chip


Pippen was a secondary producer like Klay and inferior to elite-producing sidekicks like Kareem, Wade, AD, Kobe, Curry, or Kyrie - so nearly everyone needed elite-producing sidekicks that could dominate, whereas only a few guys won with secondary producers like Klay, Wiggins, Pippen, Lowry, Pau or Jason Terry.. Winning with secondary-producing sidekicks like these requires superior brand of ball (expert jumpshooting skill), while inferior brands like centers or ball-dominators require more help, aka the elite-producing guys mentioned earlier.

Spurs m8
12-23-2022, 04:51 PM
Jordan only needed a Wiggins/ Danny Granger level talent to win 6 chips. He didn't need to a join Stockton and Malone or Barkley and KJ duo every 4 seasons.

Absolutely bodybagged OP and every little pathetic bronie

Nothing about this is false

GrayGoat
12-23-2022, 06:20 PM
Absolutely bodybagged OP and every little pathetic bronie

Nothing about this is false

Actually he didn’t. You hung off his ******* for no reason

Axe
12-23-2022, 10:25 PM
Actually he didn’t. You hung off his ******* for no reason
:roll: