why Lebron James isn't even a top 10 player all time in terms of value

[Yeezy]

ok so you're going into a draft room knowing everything you know today. why on earth would any GM/owner select lebron

the absolute most he can give you is

- 8 years, 1 finals appearance


thats what he would give a team before leaving because in a draft situation you're building from the ground up. lebron isnt capable of leading a team to anything in this situation


lebron is a rental. he has no all time measure of value because hes only going to be available for 4 years to help a team with 2 other stars buy a title




when i'm looking at value in a player i'm not just looking at skills. i'm also looking at availability, tenure, loyalty, ability to grow, work with young players, grow under a coach. develop.


lebron has none of these qualities. hes a team killer. a coach killer. a young player stunter/trader. he picks up and leaves at the first sign of adversity


how is that all time greatness. where is the value in that. hes a journeyman. not a legendary franchise corner stone. hes a pebble that skips across the pond to the next easy situation. talented yes. all time top 5?10? NO LOL



knowing what you know about lebron how is any franchise taking him over

- Michael Jordan x13 with 1 team ( 6 finals, 6 titles )
- Bill Russell x13 with 1 team ( 12 finals, 11 titles )
- Kobe Bryant x20 with 1 team ( 7 finals, 5 titles )
- Tim Duncan x19 with 1 team ( 6 finals, 5 titles )
- Magic Johnson x13 with 1 team ( 9 finals, 5 titles )
- Larry Bird x13 with 1 team ( 5 finals, 3 titles )
- Hakeem Olajuwon x17 with 1 team ( 3 finals, 2 titles )
- Steph Curry x14 with 1 team ( 6 finals, 4 titles )
- Dirk Nowitzky x21 with 1 team ( 2 finals, 1 title )
- Dwyane Wade x13 with 1 team ( 5 finals, 3 titles )



why is anyone selecting lebron over these guys in a draft. you won't even get what dirk got for the mavs.... not without him coming back later down the road... so thats lebrons value to a team? half a dirk?


and yes i know kobe was drafted by the hornets. but they only took him to trade to LA for divac. it was a pick/trade swap. the lakers selected kobe with the pick they traded for basically. kobe was their guy. jerry west bet on kobe


the cavs bet on the wrong horse in the 2004 draft. if they selected wade they end up for more success



the true 1st pick of the 2004 nba draft:

dwyane wade


https://media.gettyimages.com/id/2142689/photo/dwyane-wade-of-the-miami-heat-poses-during-the-2003-2004-nba-draft-portrait-at-paramount-theatre.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=LTan4v9NNEKKrj2mXvw5NcTx2lW1cX6e8rBJ2MzWGaw=

[Yeezy]

https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/crickets-icegif.gif


they're all hiding for a reason

[red1]

1st stint cavs lebron already better than every version of kobe

[red1]

championships brought to their hometown:

lebron: 1


- Michael Jordan x13 with 1 team ( 6 finals, 6 titles )
- Bill Russell x13 with 1 team ( 12 finals, 11 titles )
- Kobe Bryant x20 with 1 team ( 7 finals, 5 titles )
- Tim Duncan x19 with 1 team ( 6 finals, 5 titles )
- Magic Johnson x13 with 1 team ( 9 finals, 5 titles )
- Larry Bird x13 with 1 team ( 5 finals, 3 titles )
- Hakeem Olajuwon x17 with 1 team ( 3 finals, 2 titles )
- Steph Curry x14 with 1 team ( 6 finals, 4 titles )
- Dirk Nowitzky x21 with 1 team ( 2 finals, 1 title )
- Dwyane Wade x13 with 1 team ( 5 finals, 3 titles )




combined: 0

[SouBeachTalents]

1st stint cavs lebron already better than every version of kobe
Yep, by '09 he was already better, hence Kenny's nearly decade long meltdown about it :lol

[red1]

Yep, by '09 he was already better, hence Kenny's nearly decade long meltdown about it :lol

I might even say 08 my guy


bron was putting in work against those celtics

[RRR3]

Yep, by '09 he was already better, hence Kenny's nearly decade long meltdown about it :lol
LeBron was a clear threat by 2005 so I’d guess that’s when he started melting down for real. Maybe when LBJ was in high school even given the hype but definitely by 2005 once it became obvious the hype was justified.

[Yeezy]

1st stint cavs lebron already better than every version of kobe

lebron literally just released a Netflix movie about how kobe taught him how to be a man in 2008

:roll:

[Yeezy]

LeBron was a clear threat by 2005 so I’d guess that’s when he started melting down for real. Maybe when LBJ was in high school even given the hype but definitely by 2005 once it became obvious the hype was justified.

lol@ the clear threat needing kobe to get the job done vs Spain

[Yeezy]

I might even say 08 my guy


bron was putting in work against those celtics


https://youtu.be/3nujtdMik2U

:roll:


produced by: Lebron james

[Yeezy]

"AND 1 BRON!!! AND 1 BRON! WAY TO RUN THE FLOOR KID!!!!"

:roll:

[Spurs m8]

He can't achieve anything without a 1a/b
AND a 1c.
AND a lot of cherry picked pieces

Fringe top 10

[GrayGoat]

Op looking to get banned

[red1]

https://youtu.be/3nujtdMik2U

:roll:


produced by: Lebron james

this version of lbj was already a monster :applause:

[Yeezy]

Op looking to get banned

and everyone calls me the nazi

:rolleyes:

[gbaLL]

Lebronze Jame$

[Yeezy]

Lebronze Jame$

why do people call him lebronze james. I forget

[Spurs m8]

why do people call him lebronze james. I forget

Bronze medallist until Kobe saved him

[StrongLurk]

Lebron is definitely the most thought about player in OP's mind...must be a big fan.

[Yeezy]

Lebron is definitely the most thought about player in OP's mind...must be a big fan.

OK I admit it























I messed up in the OP and said lebron would give a team 8 years before quitting

it's actually 7

[StrongLurk]

OK I admit it























I messed up in the OP and said lebron would give a team 8 years before quitting

it's actually 7

Hey whatever floats your boat. You came back to ISH to SOLELY talk about this Lebron James guy...you've posted a lot in a short time about him so it makes sense he's the player you think about the most :confusedshrug:

[Yeezy]

Hey whatever floats your boat. You came back to ISH to SOLELY talk about this Lebron James guy...you've posted a lot in a short time about him so it makes sense he's the player you think about the most :confusedshrug:

you being amazed by me spending time talking about lebron only means you must think I'm a very important busy person that would only talk about something if it were extremely important because I would never waste my time trolling people and using whatever bait I could to get the job done. I'm a very busy person as you can tell. I would never throw away spare moments on such a useless debate about a sport I barely watch anymore just to pass the time. I'm a regular Andrew tate

https://i.ibb.co/GWy4RWX/the-office-robert-california-1.gif

[StrongLurk]

you being amazed by me spending time talking about lebron only means you must think I'm a very important busy person that would only talk about something if it were extremely important because I would never waste my time trolling people and using whatever bait I could to get the job done. I'm a very busy person as you can tell. I would never throw away spare moments on such a useless debate about a sport I barely watch anymore just to pass the time. I'm a regular Andrew tate

https://i.ibb.co/GWy4RWX/the-office-robert-california-1.gif

Idk why but I have a hard time reading this last post of yours. Also who is andrew tate?

[Yeezy]

who is andrew tate?

yikes

[Axe]

Fake baseball cards

2011 toyota camry

Kobe as his 'god'

Alt right incel

Hmmm, what else is there to add?

[StrongLurk]

yikes

Is he a basketball player? This is ISH after all. Tell me about him.