Players better than Lebron right now

[StrongLurk]

I would for sure take these players (regular season).

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, KD, Luka, AD, SGA, Embiid, Tatum, Jimmy Butler, Dame.

Here are some players I would MAYBE take over Bron - Donovan Mitchell, Ja, Devin Booker, Harden, Zion?

I think best case scenario for Lebron is being a top 15 or player for the regular season.

[1987_Lakers]

I'm not taking Butler or Dame over current Bron.

[90sgoat]

Definitely better:

Jokic
Giannis
Curry
KD
Luka
AD
SGA
Embiid
Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Dame
Jaylen Brown

Better:

Zion
Donovan Mitchell

Probably better / More valuable:

Lauri
KAT
Harden
Ja
Domantas Sabonis
Siakam

On same level of impact, only offense or defense:

Kyrie
Tray
Gobert
Demar

Imo, he doesn't crack top 20. I'll have him around 25 or so.

[StrongLurk]

Definitely better:

Jokic
Giannis
Curry
KD
Luka
AD
SGA
Embiid
Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Dame
Jaylen Brown

Better:

Zion
Donovan Mitchell

Probably better / More valuable:

Lauri
KAT
Harden
Ja
Domantas Sabonis
Siakam

On same level of impact, only offense or defense:

Kyrie
Tray
Gobert
Demar

Imo, he doesn't crack top 20. I'll have him around 25 or so.

I think Lebron still has a pretty clear edge on Kyrie, Trae, Demar, Gobert, Lauri, Siakam, Jaylen Brown and Sabonis.

I thought Lebron was somewhere in the 8th-10th best player last year, but I have him right around top 13-15 this year.

[StrongLurk]

I'm not taking Butler or Dame over current Bron.

I understand where you are coming from. Perhaps those guys should be in the "maybes".

[Yeezy]

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[SouBeachTalents]

Giannis
Jokic
Curry
Luka
Embiid
KD
Tatum
AD

After this list, there’s not that many players I’m for sure taking over LeBron for this year. Zion I would strongly consider, and then you’d have the likes of Butler, Ja, Mitchell, Booker & PG in the mix.

Personally, I’m for sure not taking Harden, Dame or SGA over him.

[90sgoat]

I think Lebron still has a pretty clear edge on Kyrie, Trae, Demar, Gobert, Lauri, Siakam, Jaylen Brown and Sabonis.

I thought Lebron was somewhere in the 8th-10th best player last year, but I have him right around top 13-15 this year.

I don't see how you can put Lebron above Siakam and Jaylen Brown who play both sides of the floor at a near elite level.

Kyrie, Trae, Demar, Gobert, Lauri - that's where he's at, with the one dimensional players who have some glaring weaknesses. Not bad for his last seasons, but he should be played like they are, with plenty of help and a more limited role.

[Full Court]

Players who are clearly better impact-wise:

KD
Curry
DeRozan
Morant
Mitchell
Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Middleton
AD
Kyrie
Trae
Haliburton
Tatum
Brown
Butler
Siakam
Zion
Ingram
Booker
George
Kawhi
De'Aaron Fox
Lillard
SGA

There you have it, and I'm sure there are a few I'm not thinking of. He's not top 20. Not even close.

[zeerghit]

Players who are clearly better impact-wise:

KD
Curry
DeRozan
Morant
Mitchell
Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Middleton
AD
Kyrie
Trae
Haliburton
Tatum
Brown
Butler
Siakam
Zion
Ingram
Booker
George
Kawhi
De'Aaron Fox
Lillard
SGA

There you have it, and I'm sure there are a few I'm not thinking of. He's not top 20. Not even close.

lots of bad names, but for example how u even can put Fox here? than Sabonis is by far best player on Kings team

[Indian guy]

LeBron looked like a borderline All Star at best to start off the season, but he has shown a lot more ability over the past month. I actually think he's better than last season and may still be a top 10 player. Players who are undeniably better than him:

KD
Curry
Luka
Embiid
Jokic
Tatum
Giannis
AD

^ That's 8 guys. Then you have Harden, Lillard, Booker, Zion, Mitchell, Morant, Siakam, SGA and Butler. LeBron's right there with them fighting for the last 2 spots.

[NBAGOAT]

i am taking dame and sga over bron. Mitchells had an underrated year, amazing offensive numbers leading the best srs team in league. Morant is a little overrated but still elite. I think harden butler have missed too many games and arent that much ahead of bron when healthy if at all and still unwilling to take booker, zion, siakam over him

[StrongLurk]

LeBron looked like a borderline All Star at best to start off the season, but he has shown a lot more ability over the past month. I actually think he's better than last season and may still be a top 10 player. Players who are undeniably better than him:

KD
Curry
Luka
Embiid
Jokic
Tatum
Giannis
AD

^ That's 8 guys. Then you have Harden, Lillard, Booker, Zion, Mitchell, Morant, Siakam, SGA and Butler. LeBron's right there with them fighting for the last 2 spots.

Bruh, Lebron is not better this year than last year. He's basically the same, except instead of being a good three point shooter, he is total ass so far. Lebron was barely a top ten player last year, which was still extremely impressive. He's slipped some - at least so far this season - and is closer to top 15. Hopefully he will stay healthy and we'll seem him break Kareem's record.

[Spurs m8]

Not even top 20

[kawhileonard2]

I would for sure take these players (regular season).

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, KD, Luka, AD, SGA, Embiid, Tatum, Jimmy Butler, Dame.

Here are some players I would MAYBE take over Bron - Donovan Mitchell, Ja, Devin Booker, Harden, Zion?

I think best case scenario for Lebron is being a top 15 or player for the regular season.

Kawhi and Devin Booker break Lebron all the time for sure.

[ImKobe]

He's definitely not an All-NBA player so far this season. He's basically the same he was last season except for making his 3s. Players like Siakam, Kyrie & Zion are better than him this year. Kawhi is getting back in shape and is going to be better than him by the end of the season as well. Bran is still great at getting his numbers but the impact & team play just isn't there.

[davidkimchi]

I thought LeBron was the best ever after MJ?
Havent followed NBA much recently, im guessing he declined in skills?

[Spurs m8]

I thought LeBron was the best ever after MJ?
Havent followed NBA much recently, im guessing he declined in skills?

He has been exposed and has for the past 2 years.

No AD, no playoffs

[Full Court]

I thought LeBron was the best ever after MJ?
Havent followed NBA much recently, im guessing he declined in skills?

Nah, he's barely top ten. The decline in skills was inevitable considering his age, but even during his prime he had some epic choke jobs and humiliating defeats. Not everyone can be at the top. He's still had a good career though.

[kawhileonard2]

Players who are clearly better impact-wise:

KD
Curry
DeRozan
Morant
Mitchell
Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Middleton
AD
Kyrie
Trae
Haliburton
Tatum
Brown
Butler
Siakam
Zion
Ingram
Booker
George
Kawhi
De'Aaron Fox
Lillard
SGA

There you have it, and I'm sure there are a few I'm not thinking of. He's not top 20. Not even close.

Haliburton??? Middleton??? Ingram??? Derozan??? Siakam???

[davidkimchi]

He has been exposed and has for the past 2 years.

No AD, no playoffs

How about in 2020 when lakers won the finals. What was public perception of him that time? Was he helpful during that period. I didn't follow Lebron much at lakers, but i remember when he took Cavs from 3-1 to win the finals everyone was calling him goat and stuff

[davidkimchi]

Nah, he's barely top ten. The decline in skills was inevitable considering his age, but even during his prime he had some epic choke jobs and humiliating defeats. Not everyone can be at the top. He's still had a good career though.

I remember when he won the title for the Cavs after being 1-3 everyone was calling him GOAT even over MJ. Im guessing he sucked at Lakers the past few years

[WhiteKyrie]

He's definitely not an All-NBA player so far this season. He's basically the same he was last season except for making his 3s. Players like Siakam, Kyrie & Zion are better than him this year. Kawhi is getting back in shape and is going to be better than him by the end of the season as well. Bran is still great at getting his numbers but the impact & team play just isn't there.
I think that’s what fans who don’t get the game, really don’t understand. It’s how he gets the numbers, when he gets the numbers, and the actual impact of the stats. If they’re hollow or meaningful in terms of winning games. He’s been like this since the 2017-2018 season, tbh. It’s just gotten more noticeable the past two seasons. He had positive influence in 2020, along side a healthy AD. But beyond that? It’s all very superficial.

[Spurs m8]

I remember when he won the title for the Cavs after being 1-3 everyone was calling him GOAT even over MJ. Im guessing he sucked at Lakers the past few years

Only his stans and low iq, fake narrative media called him goat...

We all know he's never been in the discussion...

Fringe top 10

[aj1987]

I think that’s what fans who don’t get the game, really don’t understand. It’s how he gets the numbers, when he gets the numbers, and the actual impact of the stats. If they’re hollow or meaningful in terms of winning games. He’s been like this since the 2017-2018 season, tbh. It’s just gotten more noticeable the past two seasons. He had positive influence in 2020, along side a healthy AD. But beyond that? It’s all very superficial.

TF are you smoking? The Lakers were on pace for 56 wins in '21 when he was playing and healthy. In '19, they were the #4 seed before he got injured. They basically have had a $40M bench warmer since '21. Replace just AD and his salary with some good role players and the Lakers would be a top 4 seed.

[Full Court]

Haliburton??? Middleton??? Ingram??? Derozan??? Siakam???

Yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes.

[StrongLurk]

I'm not taking Butler or Dame over current Bron.

Let's see if Butler outplays Lebron tonight.

[Chuckbe]

Let's see if Butler outplays Lebron tonight.

Butler rested yesterday, LeBron didn't

[kawhileonard2]

Let's see if Butler outplays Lebron tonight.

Yeah he usually does.

[StrongLurk]

Butler did outplay Lebron...I think Butler is the better player this year.

Lebron is still fighting for top fifteen in the league right now.

[Full Court]

Let's see if Butler outplays Lebron tonight.

Butler outplayed him tonight by a mile. A little bit better on offense, and massively better on the defensive end.

[Chuckbe]

Butler outplayed him tonight by a mile. A little bit better on offense, and massively better on the defensive end.

What about Bam?

[lebronlover69]

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[Full Court]

What about Bam?

Good point. Bam outplayed him too.

[bullettooth]

Definitely better:

Jokic
Giannis
Curry
KD
Luka
AD
SGA
Embiid
Tatum
Jimmy Butler
Dame
Jaylen Brown

Better:

Zion
Donovan Mitchell

Probably better / More valuable:

Lauri
KAT
Harden
Ja
Domantas Sabonis
Siakam

On same level of impact, only offense or defense:

Kyrie
Tray
Gobert
Demar

Imo, he doesn't crack top 20. I'll have him around 25 or so.

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[StrongLurk]

I would for sure take these players (regular season).

Jokic, Giannis, Curry, KD, Luka, AD, SGA, Embiid, Tatum, Jimmy Butler, Dame.

Here are some players I would MAYBE take over Bron - Donovan Mitchell, Ja, Devin Booker, Harden, Zion?

I think best case scenario for Lebron is being a top 15 or player for the regular season.

Looking at this list three months later...it's still pretty damn accurate even though Bron has gotten better.

I'd still take Jokic, Giannis, Curry, KD, Luka, AD, SGA, Embiid, Tatum, and Dame over Bron. The "maybes" list is pretty much all no except for Donovan Mitchell who had his 71-point game after I made this thread. I'd add Jimmy Butler to the maybe's list along with D-Mitch.

[Full Court]

Players who are clearly better impact-wise:

KD
Curry
DeRozan
Morant
Mitchell
Jokic
Embiid
Giannis
Middleton
AD
Kyrie
Trae
Haliburton
Tatum
Brown
Butler
Siakam
Zion
Ingram
Booker
George
Kawhi
De'Aaron Fox
Lillard
SGA

There you have it, and I'm sure there are a few I'm not thinking of. He's not top 20. Not even close.

We can now add about another 10 to the list.