proof kobes finals stats were normal for the era for perimeter scorers

[Yeezy]

all finals fg% since 1995 for perimeter/mid range scorers ( proof defense was just better back then )



1995 - drexler: 45.0%
1995 - horry: 43.4%
1995 - Cassell: 42.9%
1995 - smith: 37.9%

1995 - penny: 50.0%
1995 - shaw: 42.6%
1995 - anderson: 36.0%
1995 - scott: 31.0%

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1996 - Jordan: 41.5%
1996 - pippen: 34.3%
1996 - kukoc: 42.3%
1996 - harper: 37.5%
1996 - kerr: 30.3%


1996 - Payton: 44.4%
1996 - schrempf: 44.3%
1996 - hawkins: 45.5%
1996 - perkins: 37.7%
1996 - mcmillin: 42.9%

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1997 - jordan: 45.6%
1997 - pippen: 42.1%
1997 - kukoc: 40.5%
1997 - harper: 34.4%
1997 - kerr: 36.0%


1997 - stockton: 50.0%
1997 - hornacek: 37.9%
1997 - russell: 39.0%
1997 - anderson: 31.6%


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1998 - jordan: 42.7%
1998 - pippen: 41.0%
1998 - harper: 36.4%
1998 - kerr: 35.0%
1998 - kukoc: 50.0%


1998 - anderson: 50.0%
1998 - stockton: 49.0%
1998 - hornacek: 41.1%
1998 - russell: 40.9%
1998 - eisley: 37.5%

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1999 - johnson 50.0%
1999 - elie: 44.7%
1999 - elliott: 33.3%
1999 - jackson: 32.4%
1999 - kerr: 40.0%

1999 - sprewell: 41.0%
1999 - houston: 42.7%
1999 - johnson: 28.6%
1999 - ward: 46.2%
1999 - childs: 22.7%


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2000 - kobe: 36.7%
2000 - rice: 40.0%
2000 - fisher: 42.9%
2000 - shaw: 21.6%
2000 - harper: 46.4%


2000 - miller: 41.3%
2000 - rose: 46.7%
2000 - jackson: 41.3%
2000 - perkins: 37.9%
2000 - best: 46.7%
2000 - croshere: 54.5%


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2001 - kobe: 41.5%
2001 - fisher: 43.6%
2001 - fox: 44.1%
2001 - shaw: 30.0%
2001 - lue: 58.3%


2001 - iverson: 40.7%
2001 - snow: 40.7%
2001 - mickie: 31.3%
2001 - bell: 30.8%
2001 - jones: 40.0%
2001 - ollie: 33.3%

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2002 - kobe: 51.4%
2002 - fisher: 51.5%
2002 - fox: 52.2%
2002 - george: 43.5%
2002 - shaw: 28.6%
2002 - hunter: 20.0%

2002 - kidd: 43.8%
2002 - kittles: 45.2%
2002 - van horn: 38.6%
2002 - harris: 34.4%
2002 - jefferson: 52.4%


--------------------------------

2003 - parker: 38.6%
2003 - jackson: 37.7%
2003 - ginobili: 34.8%
2003 - bowen: 23.3%
2003 - claxton: 56.0%

2003 - kidd: 36.4%
2003 - jefferson: 41.7%
2003 - kittles: 37.7%
2003 - harris: 30.6%


---------------------------------

2004 - kobe: 38.1%
2004 - fisher: 30.6%
2004 - george: 39.3%
2004 - payton: 32.1%
2004 - malone: 33.3%
2004 - medvidenko: 35.3%
2004 - rush: 31.8
2004 - walton: 38.5%



2004 - hamilton: 40.2%
2004 - billups: 50.9%
2004 - prince: 38.9%
2004 - hunter: 29.4%
2004 - sheed: 45.3%
2004 - james: 50.0%

---------------------------

2005 - Duncan: 41.9% ( became more of a mid range shooter )
2005 - manu: 49.4%
2005 - parker: 45.8%
2005 - bowen: 38.0%
2005 - barry: 40.7%
2005 - beno: 36.4%
2005 - brown: 27.3%


2005 - billups: 43.4%
2005 - hamilton: 38.6%
2005 - sheed: 43.8%
2005 - prince: 38.2%
2005 - hunter: 38.1%

----------------------------------

2006 - wade: 46.8%
2006 - walker: 39.1%
2006 - williams: 36.0%
2006 - posey: 41.9%
2006 - payton: 36.8%
2006 - anderson: 33.3%

2006 - terry: 47.8%
2006 - howard: 38.8%
2006 - stackhouse: 35.5%
2006 - harris: 36.4%
2006 - van horn: 27.3%


------------------------------------


2007 - parker: 56.8%
2007 - duncan: 44.6%
2007 - manu: 36.7%
2007 - bowen: 29.6%
2007 - finley: 26.1%
2007 - barry: 36.4%


2007 - lebron: 35.6%
2007 - gibson: 43.9%
2007 - pavlovic: 36.4%
2007 - jones: 45.5%
2007 - marshall: 31.5%
2007 - snow: 40.0%

----------------------------------

2008 - pierce: 43.2%
2008 - allen: 50.7%
2008 - rondo: 37.7%
2008 - house: 35.7%
2008 - cassell: 37.5%
2008 - posey: 50.0%

2008 - kobe: 40.5%
2008 - fisher: 40.5%
2008 - vujacic: 39.1%
2008 - radmanovic: 39.0%
2008 - farmar: 48.4%
2008 - walton: 31.3%
2008 - ariza: 55.6%

-------------------------------

2009 - kobe: 43.0%
2009 - ariza: 35.7%
2009 - fisher: 50.0%
2009 - farmar: 36.8%
2009 - luke: 80.0%
2009 - brown: 0.0%
2009 - sasha: 0.0%

2009 - hedo: 49.2%
2009 - lewis: 40.5%
2009 - alston: 36.8%
2009 - pietrus: 47.5%
2009 - lee: 37.5%
2009 - reddick: 40.0%
2009 - nelson: 34.8%

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2010 - kobe: 40.5%
2010 - metta: 36.1%
2010 - fisher: 42.0%
2010 - brown: 45.0%
2010 - farmar: 32.1%
2010 - walton: 33.3%


2010 - pierce: 43.9%
2010 - allen: 36.7%
2010 - rondo: 45.4%
2010 - sheed: 36.6%
2010 - robinson: 40.0%
2010 - allen: 33.3%



kobe actually had one of the extremely rare series shooting over 50% for a perimeter scorer during his era

[1987_Lakers]

There is nothing normal about shooting under 40% in career game 7s and 41% in elimination games.

[Yeezy]

There is nothing normal about shooting under 40% in career game 7s and 41% in elimination games.

thats a big edit as opposed to your usual post

what happened


wheres the long winded one


want me to make a 1995 to 2010 player fg% for finals elimination games too

[1987_Lakers]

thats a big edit as opposed to your usual post

what happened


wheres the long winded one


want me to make a 1995 to 2010 player fg% for elimination games too

Glad you asked, It's right here.

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG

3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

[Yeezy]

jordans last game vs sonics

5 for 19 ( 26.3% )

jordans last game vs jazz in 97

15 for 35 ( 42.9% )

jordans last game vs jazz in 98

15 for 35 again ( 42.9% )


even the best feel the pressure when the defense is at its best... thats just what its like during a real era kid

:lol

[Yeezy]

Glad you asked, It's right here.

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG

3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

see OP

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

MJ in career elimination games: 31/8/7 on 46 fg%

[Yeezy]

MJ in career elimination games: 31/8/7 on 46 fg%

thats lower than usual. why is that

[Yeezy]

why is kobes finals fg% right on par with every player for like a 16 year stretch


what was so different about that era. seems odd. almost like it was tougher to score

[1987_Lakers]

jordans last game vs sonics

5 for 19 ( 26.3% )

Obama already covered this..


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BkE5g5qv46E

[Yeezy]

Obama already covered this..


https://www.youtube.com/shorts/BkE5g5qv46E

why didn't obama say 96, 97 and 98

[Yeezy]

why did jordan have kobes finals percentages for half his titles

[Phoenix]

Tim Duncan.

[SouBeachTalents]

vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS

vs. 2001 76ers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS

vs. 2004 Pistons
Redd: 18 on 49%TS (16.6 FGA)
Jefferson: 21 on 54%TS (14.6 FGA)
Kobe: 23 on 46%TS (22.6 FGA)

vs. 2008 Celtics
Johnson: 20 on 54%TS (16.4 FGA)
Rip: 22 on 64%TS (14.2 FGA)
Kobe: 26 on 51%TS (21.8 FGA)

vs. 2009 Magic
LeBron: 39 on 59%TS
Kobe: 32 on 53%TS

vs. 2010 Celtics
Wade: 33 on 65%TS
Kobe: 29 on 53%

And I already know what your response is going to be, "it's the Finals, it's the Finals, it's the Finals", but as you can see, that's a proven track record of other perimeter stars going up against the same exact teams, in a playoff atmosphere and without fail, shooting more efficiently than Kobe did. The only guy who struggled against those teams was LeBron against the Celtics.

And you can find plenty of examples of other perimeter players having very efficient Finals during this era

2004 Billups: 21 on 70%TS
2005 Manu: 19 on 64%TS
2005 Billups: 20 on 57%TS
2006 Wade: 35 on 57%TS
2007 Parker: 25 on 60%TS
2008 Pierce: 22 on 59%TS
2008 Allen: 20 71%TS
2011 Wade: 27 on 61%TS
2012 KD: 31 on 65%TS
2012 LeBron: 29 on 56%TS

[RRR3]

vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS

vs. 2001 76ers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS

vs. 2004 Pistons
Redd: 18 on 49%TS (16.6 FGA)
Jefferson: 21 on 54%TS (14.6 FGA)
Kobe: 23 on 46%TS (22.6 FGA)

vs. 2008 Celtics
Johnson: 20 on 54%TS (16.4 FGA)
Rip: 22 on 64%TS (14.2 FGA)
Kobe: 26 on 51%TS (21.8 FGA)

vs. 2009 Magic
LeBron: 39 on 59%TS
Kobe: 32 on 53%TS

vs. 2010 Celtics
Wade: 33 on 65%TS
Kobe: 29 on 53%

And I already know what your response is going to be, "it's the Finals, it's the Finals, it's the Finals", but as you can see, that's a proven track record of other perimeter stars going up against the same exact teams, in a playoff atmosphere and without fail, shooting more efficiently than Kobe did. The only guy who struggled against those teams was LeBron against the Celtics.

And you can find plenty of examples of perimeter guys having very efficient Finals during this era

2004 Billups: 21 on 70%TS
2005 Manu: 19 on 64%TS
2005 Billups: 20 on 57%TS
2006 Wade: 35 on 57%TS
2007 Parker: 25 on 60%TS
2008 Pierce: 22 on 59%TS
2008 Allen: 20 71%TS
2011 Wade: 27 on 61%TS
2012 KD: 31 on 65%TS
2012 LeBron: 29 on 56%TS
Rat poison.

[Phoenix]

vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS

vs. 2001 76ers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS

vs. 2004 Pistons
Redd: 18 on 49%TS (16.6 FGA)
Jefferson: 21 on 54%TS (14.6 FGA)
Kobe: 23 on 46%TS (22.6 FGA)

vs. 2008 Celtics
Johnson: 20 on 54%TS (16.4 FGA)
Rip: 22 on 64%TS (14.2 FGA)
Kobe: 26 on 51%TS (21.8 FGA)

vs. 2009 Magic
LeBron: 39 on 59%TS
Kobe: 32 on 53%TS

vs. 2010 Celtics
Wade: 33 on 65%TS
Kobe: 29 on 53%

And I already know what your response is going to be, "it's the Finals, it's the Finals, it's the Finals", but as you can see, that's a proven track record of other perimeter stars going up against the same exact teams, in a playoff atmosphere and without fail, shooting more efficiently than Kobe did. The only guy who struggled against those teams was LeBron against the Celtics.

And you can find plenty of examples of other perimeter players having very efficient Finals during this era

2004 Billups: 21 on 70%TS
2005 Manu: 19 on 64%TS
2005 Billups: 20 on 57%TS
2006 Wade: 35 on 57%TS
2007 Parker: 25 on 60%TS
2008 Pierce: 22 on 59%TS
2008 Allen: 20 71%TS
2011 Wade: 27 on 61%TS
2012 KD: 31 on 65%TS
2012 LeBron: 29 on 56%TS

And it should be noted that he had the very apex of Shaquille Oneal these years to draw defensive attention.

[Yeezy]

vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS

vs. 2001 76ers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS

vs. 2004 Pistons
Redd: 18 on 49%TS (16.6 FGA)
Jefferson: 21 on 54%TS (14.6 FGA)
Kobe: 23 on 46%TS (22.6 FGA)

vs. 2008 Celtics
Johnson: 20 on 54%TS (16.4 FGA)
Rip: 22 on 64%TS (14.2 FGA)
Kobe: 26 on 51%TS (21.8 FGA)

vs. 2009 Magic
LeBron: 39 on 59%TS
Kobe: 32 on 53%TS

vs. 2010 Celtics
Wade: 33 on 65%TS
Kobe: 29 on 53%

And I already know what your response is going to be, "it's the Finals, it's the Finals, it's the Finals", but as you can see, that's a proven track record of other perimeter stars going up against the same exact teams, in a playoff atmosphere and without fail, shooting more efficiently than Kobe did. The only guy who struggled against those teams was LeBron against the Celtics.

And you can find plenty of examples of other perimeter players having very efficient Finals during this era

2004 Billups: 21 on 70%TS
2005 Manu: 19 on 64%TS
2005 Billups: 20 on 57%TS
2006 Wade: 35 on 57%TS
2007 Parker: 25 on 60%TS
2008 Pierce: 22 on 59%TS
2008 Allen: 20 71%TS
2011 Wade: 27 on 61%TS
2012 KD: 31 on 65%TS
2012 LeBron: 29 on 56%TS

i literally proved guys percentages dip in the finals during that era

why wouldn't I say "it's the finals"

plus how many of them did kobe have a major injury

but the fact remains you can no longer rip kobe for him doing what's accepted during his time

[Yeezy]

btw soutbeachtalents is obviously another 1987lakers alt.

exposed another one boys

:lol

[Yeezy]

lebron in the finals during kobes era =35.6%


that defense was LEGIT BOOOOY

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

i literally proved guys percentages dip in the finals during that era

why wouldn't I say "it's the finals"

It's from the same era and he used other players stats who went up against the very same defense Kobe did.

The fact that you had no real response to those stats just proves you know deep down he is right.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's from the same era and he used other players stats who went up against the very same defense Kobe did.

The fact that you had no real response to those stats just proves you know deep down he is right.
He's just going to say "he's your alt" because he's checkmated and has no rebuttal :lol

I even included nearly a dozen different examples of perimeter guys shooting much more efficiently in the Finals during that era too.

[Yeezy]

He's just going to say "he's your alt" because he's checkmated and has no rebuttal :lol

I even included nearly a dozen different examples of perimeter guys shooting much more efficiently in the Finals during that era too.

showing me some 1st round eastern conference series stats is irrelevant... steven

[Yeezy]

2004 - kobe: 38.1%
2004 - fisher: 30.6%
2004 - george: 39.3%
2004 - payton: 32.1%
2004 - malone: 33.3%
2004 - medvidenko: 35.3%
2004 - rush: 31.8
2004 - walton: 38.5%



if this doesn't prove the finals is different I dunno what does

[Yeezy]

oh but michael Redd had a good series in the 1st round vs that same piston team


:lol

[1987_Lakers]

showing me some 1st round eastern conference series stats is irrelevant... steven

All of a sudden the playoffs are irrelevant. You are starting to sound like that poster ImKobe.

[1987_Lakers]

How can OP be in two places at once?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aS-UPBqU08

(live stream)

[Yeezy]

All of a sudden the playoffs are irrelevant. You are starting to sound like that poster ImKobe.

kobe vs the sun's wasn't the same as kobe vs the Celtics. the first 3 rounds aren't called the same


the finals always used to turn into some old-school street ball bully shit lol.. thats why nearly everyone on the Lakers shot in the 30s in 2004

[Yeezy]

you can't argue facts. the OP is as clear as day. cherry picking 1 guy from another round of the playoffs isn't changing the fact that EVERYONE shot worse in the finals for 16 years straight. this is clear cut evidence that kobe just faced superior defense

lebron vs that same defense shot 35%

period. end of story

you lose racoon boy

[Yeezy]

"it was kobes fault in 2004"


(literally everyone outside of shaq shoots below 39%)

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

"it was kobes fault in 2004"


(literally everyone outside of shaq shoots below 39%)

:roll:

Only difference is Kobe was the only player in the entire series taking 22-23 shots a game. Dude was bricking to a point where a mansion was getting built and he still couldn't figure out he was hurting his team.

[Yeezy]

Only difference is Kobe was the only player in the entire series taking 22-23 shots a game. Dude was bricking to a point where a mansion was getting built and he still couldn't figure out he was hurting his team.

who else was gonna shoot. Shaq was already well above his season average. he was fat and out of shape not even going for offensive rebounds trying to save energy. he was gassed as it is. he could maybe have upped it to 30ppg. but that's just 3 more points. Kobe like everyone else was getting pressed full court. Larry brown said they let shaq get his and stopped everyone else. and it shows. they were an all time great defense


one things for sure is it wasn't just kobe that shot poorly that series.

and I proved your biggest critique of kobe is obsolete


you lost kid. walk it off

[1987_Lakers]

who else was gonna shoot. Shaq was already well above his season average. he was fat and out of shape not even going for offensive rebounds trying to save energy. he was gassed as it is. he could maybe have upped it to 30ppg. but that's just 3 more points. Kobe like everyone else was getting pressed full court. Larry brown said they let shaq get his and stopped everyone else. and it shows. they were an all time great defense


one things for sure is it wasn't just kobe that shot poorly that series.

and I proved your biggest critique of kobe is obsolete


you lost kid. walk it off

Is that why Kobe himself said it was his fault we lost to the Pistons in 2004? He says it in the 23:11 mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HO7KxO3nGc&t

Sorry, try again.

[Yeezy]

Is that why Kobe himself said it was his fault we lost to the Pistons in 2004? He says it in the 23:11 mark.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HO7KxO3nGc&t

Sorry, try again.

he says they full court pressed them and he didnt prepare the team for it


so for you to take that video at full face value would mean you would have to admit kobe was their leader

:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:whatever:

You're really comparing Kobe to actual roleplayers... Is OP ok?

[Yeezy]

:whatever:

You're really comparing Kobe to actual roleplayers... Is OP ok?

it's all perimeter players. there's every star from those years too lol

[1987_Lakers]

he says they full court pressed them and he didnt prepare the team for it


so for you to take that video at full face value would mean you would have to admit kobe was their leader

:lol

Full court press doesn't excuse these shots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fAcGwRtYWI

Most of them are in the half court with plenty of time in the shot clock. Video doesn't lie.

It was his fault for sure, but it wasn't because he didn't prepare guys, it was because he shot them out of a win.

[Yeezy]

Full court press doesn't excuse these shots.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fAcGwRtYWI

Most of them are in the half court with plenty of time in the shot clock. Video doesn't lie.

It was his fault for sure, but it wasn't because he didn't prepare guys, it was because he shot them out of a win.

literally just started watching that clip and kobe gets the back with 4 seconds on the shot clock 35 feet from the basket

:lol


you're done

[Full Court]

Give it up, dude. You're not going to convince anybody that Kobe was top 10. We all know better.

[Yeezy]

2nd shot was fine. open... in and out

[1987_Lakers]

2nd shot was fine. open... in and out

Open and bricked it.

[Yeezy]

3rd shot was a nice take to the basket.. 2 points

:cheers:

[Yeezy]

4th shot was a good look. short.. oh well

[Yeezy]

5th shot was an obvious no call. hit on the arm

[Yeezy]

6th shot was open. short again. possibly his surgically repaired knee failing him


not seeing too many forced bad looks tbh


you failed steven

[1987_Lakers]

5th shot was an obvious no call. hit on the arm

You are only on shot 5? Get ready for the brick layer.

https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/1018/animated-bricklayer-image-0046.gif

[Yeezy]

You are only on shot 5? Get ready for the brick layer.

https://www.animatedimages.org/data/media/1018/animated-bricklayer-image-0046.gif

I'm good. Kobe had a bad series I'll admit


lebron had that level of failure in 2007, 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2013 woulda been a 5th if not for ray allen

[1987_Lakers]

Here is Game 5.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9YLH8ao4KA&t

[Yeezy]

2007 = all time low efficiency all around

2011 - shook like a deer in the headlights. got owned by jj barea

2013 - 29% outside of 5 feet (cranked everything first 6 games)

2014 - lost to an air conditioner, all time largest margin of defeat, cried when kawhi came in. lost finals mvp to a role player

2015 - another all time low percentage outside of 5 feet. lost finals mvp to another role player



all of these are lebrons 2004 kobe finals basically lmao

[Yeezy]

Here is Game 5.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9YLH8ao4KA&t

2004 - kobe: 38.1%
2004 - fisher: 30.6%
2004 - george: 39.3%
2004 - payton: 32.1%
2004 - malone: 33.3%
2004 - medvidenko: 35.3%
2004 - rush: 31.8
2004 - walton: 38.5%

:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

it's all perimeter players. there's every star from those years too lol

That's fair, but most of them are roleplayers...

Hedo led the Magic in scoring and shot 49% from the field. Why is he listed? You also included Sheed (and Duncan in earlier runs) but omitted KG; he shot the ball at a 51% clip.

Where's the consistency at?

[Yeezy]

That's fair, but most of them are roleplayers...

Hedo led the Magic in scoring and shot 49% from the field. Why is he listed? You also included Sheed (and Duncan in earlier runs) but omitted KG who played a bit of help defense on the perimeter (shot plenty from middy as well). KG shot the ball at a 51% clip.

Where's the consistency at?

Garnett was just doing clean up duty by then. Duncan was shooting mostly mid range bank shots in 2005 and 2007. sheed should only be listed for 2010 cause all he did was shoot threes mainly


but the fact remains that their fg%s also dipped. those finals were just tougher than the ones lebron was playing in during the freedom of movement 3 ball era

[1987_Lakers]

BTW, I don't think I've ever seen a star get blown out in elimination games the way Kobe did.

2003 vs Spurs: Lost by 28
2004 vs Pistons: Down by like 30 at one point in the 4th
2006 vs Suns: Lost by 31
2008 vs Celtics: Lost by 39
2011 vs Mavs: Lost by 36

I mean, that is flat out embarrassing.

[SouBeachTalents]

BTW, I don't think I've ever seen a star get blown out in elimination games the way Kobe did.

2003 vs Spurs: Lost by 28
2004 vs Pistons: Down by like 30 at one point in the 4th
2006 vs Suns: Lost by 31
2008 vs Celtics: Lost by 39
2011 vs Mavs: Lost by 36

I mean, that is flat out embarrassing.
And he played like absolute dogshit in ALL of these games :lol

[Axe]

Interested to know about his go-ahead shots but i don't think there's too many to look at.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Garnett was just doing clean up duty by then. Duncan was shooting mostly mid range bank shots in 2005 and 2007. sheed should only be listed for 2010 cause all he did was shoot threes mainly


but the fact remains that their fg%s also dipped. those finals were just tougher than the ones lebron was playing in during the freedom of movement 3 ball era

Not really. Garnett's game was more or less the same, he just declined athletically.

Didn't even notice you had Sheed in 04. More inconsistency...

Sure I'm nitpicking, and your overall point is a decent one. Defenses absolutely made it tougher to shoot back then.... but there are like 3-4 names that don't belong, so you cant really say "ALL perimeter players" lol

[Yeezy]

BTW, I don't think I've ever seen a star get blown out in elimination games the way Kobe did.

2003 vs Spurs: Lost by 28
2004 vs Pistons: Down by like 30 at one point in the 4th
2006 vs Suns: Lost by 31
2008 vs Celtics: Lost by 39
2011 vs Mavs: Lost by 36

I mean, that is flat out embarrassing.


know what's more embarrassing

2004 bronze, lottery
2005 lottery
2006 bronze
2007 swept in finals on 35%
2008 saved by kobe for the gold and makes a movie about it
2009 spanked by Dwight Howard with home court
2010 quitting on a franchise
2011 owned by jj bare on a super team
2012 lockout title with a big 3 collusion
2013 all time worst shooting. saved by Ray allen
2014 all time biggest finals best down. quits on franchise
2015 another all time worst shooting performance
2016 colluded big 3. colluded suspension to draymon. saved by kyrie
2017 series swining dagger hit in your face
2018 swept in finals. soft picked for another dagger
2019 activating playoff move for the lottery
2020 bubble 5 month break davis theft no fans no parade Disney ring
2021 spanked by devin booker
2022 lottery with big 3
2023 lottery while passing Kareem with PED needs in his ass

[Yeezy]

Not really. Garnett's game was more or less the same, he just declined athletically.

Didn't even notice you had Sheed in 04. More inconsistency...

Sure I'm nitpicking, and your overall point is a decent one. Defenses absolutely made it tougher to shoot back then.... but there are like 3-4 names that don't belong, so you cant really say "ALL perimeter players" lol

fact remains his percentages dipped. that's the main issue. not just for perimeter guys. I relegated it to them mainly just to save time.

[1987_Lakers]

know what's more embarrassing

2004 bronze, lottery
2005 lottery
2006 bronze
2007 swept in finals on 35%
2008 saved by kobe for the gold and makes a movie about it
2009 spanked by Dwight Howard with home court
2010 quitting on a franchise
2011 owned by jj bare on a super team
2012 lockout title with a big 3 collusion
2013 all time worst shooting. saved by Ray allen
2014 all time biggest finals best down. quits on franchise
2015 another all time worst shooting performance
2016 colluded big 3. colluded suspension to draymon. saved by kyrie
2017 series swining dagger hit in your face
2018 swept in finals. soft picked for another dagger
2019 activating playoff move for the lottery
2020 bubble 5 month break davis theft no fans no parade Disney ring
2021 spanked by devin booker
2022 lottery with big 3
2023 lottery while passing Kareem with PED needs in his ass

How about this?

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG

3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

[Yeezy]

And he played like absolute dogshit in ALL of these games :lol

stop quoting yourself you midget virgin failed lawyer schizophrenic administrator of a failed message board with 15 active users

[Yeezy]

How about this?

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG

3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.

see OP

:lol

[Axe]

How about this?

Here are Kobe's finals stats

2000 - 15.6 ppg | 39 fg%

2001 - 24 ppg | 41.5 fg% | 50 TS%

2002 - 27 ppg | 51 fg% | 62 TS%

2004 - 23 ppg | 38 fg% | 46 TS%

2008 - 26 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 50.5 TS%

2009 - 32 ppg | 43 fg% | 52.5 TS%

2010 - 29 ppg | 40.1 fg% | 52.8 TS%



Here are Kobe's game seven stats.

44.2 MPG

22.2 points

FG 38.9%

FT 67.3%

8 RPG

5 APG

1 SPG

1.3 BPG





Here are Kobe's stats when facing elimination.



22.3 PPG

5.8 RPG

3.5 APG

1.3 SPG

1.3 BPG

on a 50.3 TS

and his teams went 9-10 in those games.
:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

I love it. Dude went on a 5 month break and still thinks I'm other posters. :lol

[1987_Lakers]

see OP

:lol

See the post by Southbeach


vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS

vs. 2001 76ers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS

vs. 2004 Pistons
Redd: 18 on 49%TS (16.6 FGA)
Jefferson: 21 on 54%TS (14.6 FGA)
Kobe: 23 on 46%TS (22.6 FGA)

vs. 2008 Celtics
Johnson: 20 on 54%TS (16.4 FGA)
Rip: 22 on 64%TS (14.2 FGA)
Kobe: 26 on 51%TS (21.8 FGA)

vs. 2009 Magic
LeBron: 39 on 59%TS
Kobe: 32 on 53%TS

vs. 2010 Celtics
Wade: 33 on 65%TS
Kobe: 29 on 53%

And I already know what your response is going to be, "it's the Finals, it's the Finals, it's the Finals", but as you can see, that's a proven track record of other perimeter stars going up against the same exact teams, in a playoff atmosphere and without fail, shooting more efficiently than Kobe did. The only guy who struggled against those teams was LeBron against the Celtics.

And you can find plenty of examples of other perimeter players having very efficient Finals during this era

2004 Billups: 21 on 70%TS
2005 Manu: 19 on 64%TS
2005 Billups: 20 on 57%TS
2006 Wade: 35 on 57%TS
2007 Parker: 25 on 60%TS
2008 Pierce: 22 on 59%TS
2008 Allen: 20 71%TS
2011 Wade: 27 on 61%TS
2012 KD: 31 on 65%TS
2012 LeBron: 29 on 56%TS

:lol

[Overdrive]

kobe vs the sun's wasn't the same as kobe vs the Celtics. the first 3 rounds aren't called the same


You really don't see your fallacy here, right?

Of course Kobe will have a better series vs a weaker defense. Soubeach showed stats vs the same defense throughout some playoffs. You think the later champs or finals teams don't play tough in the first round and then get to the finals by luck and suddenly play good defense?

Eventual champs play their game from the first round on else they'd get ousted - obviously, but I guess not for you.

[Axe]

So kobe's very definition of being a hardworker is missing a lot of shots lol, with a number of them even causing crucial games in the playoffs. Not blaming him at all but i seriously wonder who taught him the game that way. It's like playing a moba game and getting your character slain by your enemies multiple times.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

2004 Billups: 21 on 70%TS
2005 Manu: 19 on 64%TS
2005 Billups: 20 on 57%TS
2006 Wade: 35 on 57%TS
2007 Parker: 25 on 60%TS
2008 Pierce: 22 on 59%TS
2008 Allen: 20 71%TS

Yep.

Still don't get why OP listed Duncan but not KG...in either 2008 or 2010. The same KG who also happened to shoot efficiently :oldlol:

Compared to the regular-season, their shooting percentages dropped. Right. We get it. But Kobe's really tanked. Both in FG and TS%. Someone should've gave D-Wade the same memo...

[Yeezy]

I list a million guys and southbeach aka steven/1987bronies cherry picks 7 and all of them had multiple finals yet he only lists one of theirs and thinks it's saying anything

I can cherry pick 7 guys that shot under 30% lmao


my list is actually complete


you can say "oh you left out garnett"


OK add him lol. its still 99% dips

[Yeezy]

1996 - pippen: 34.3%
2003 - parker: 38.6%
2003 - kidd: 36.4%
2004 - prince: 38.9%
2005 - hamilton: 38.6%
2007 - manu: 36.7%
2007 - lebron: 35.6%
2008 - rondo: 37.7%
2010 - allen: 36.7%
2010 - metta: 36.1%


holy f*ck. I just cherry picked some guys and now my list looks way more pathetic

:lol

[Yeezy]

1996 - pippen: 34.3%
2003 - parker: 38.6%
2003 - kidd: 36.4%
2004 - prince: 38.9%
2005 - hamilton: 38.6%
2007 - manu: 36.7%
2007 - lebron: 35.6%
2008 - rondo: 37.7%
2010 - allen: 36.7%
2010 - metta: 36.1%


holy f*ck. I just cherry picked some guys and now my list looks way more pathetic

:lol

oh sheeeeeit. rat poison boyzzzzz

:roll:

[Yeezy]

oh sheeeeeit. rat poison boyzzzzz

:roll:

b-b-b-but this cherry picked list is bettttuuur

2004 Billups: 21 on 70%TS
2005 Manu: 19 on 64%TS
2005 Billups: 20 on 57%TS
2006 Wade: 35 on 57%TS
2007 Parker: 25 on 60%TS
2008 Pierce: 22 on 59%TS
2008 Allen: 20 71%TS
2011 Wade: 27 on 61%TS
2012 KD: 31 on 65%TS
2012 LeBron: 29 on 56%TS

:yaohappy:

[1987_Lakers]

Damn, Billups was a better Finals performer than Kobe.

:yaohappy:

[Yeezy]

Damn, Billups was a better Finals performer than Kobe.

:yaohappy:

see OP

[ShawkFactory]

So Kobe's stats were just...normal? :lol

[Yeezy]

So Kobe's stats were just...normal? :lol

compared to the goat michael jordan. yes

his last 3 rings had about the same percentages


but there's way more to the game than that just incase you didn't know

[Phoenix]

Jesus, Kenny quoted himself twice within 5 minutes. :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

compared to the goat michael jordan. yes

his last 3 rings had about the same percentages


but there's way more to the game than that just incase you didn't know

Well yea when you make claims that Kobe is the best ever then he's going to be compared to Michael Jordan in these discussions.

[Yeezy]

Jesus, Kenny quoted himself twice within 5 minutes. :oldlol:

I dont have alts sorry. I'm not a virgin like Steven

[Yeezy]

Well yea when you make claims that Kobe is the best ever then he's going to be compared to Michael Jordan in these discussions.

jordan didn't shoot well for 3 of his rings. it was the era. that's just how it was. hence the thread

[Phoenix]

I dont have alts sorry. I'm not a virgin like Steven

But....you quoted yourself twice...one of them within a minute. Should we keep you on suicide watch?

[Axe]

I dont have alts sorry.
You're sure?

[Yeezy]

You're sure?

not ones I know the password to

[Yeezy]

But....you quoted yourself twice...one of them within a minute. Should we keep you on suicide watch?

I was mocking rrr3s poison quote. sorry you didn't get the joke. are you ok

[Axe]

not ones I know the password to
Remember your John Connor dup, the one with a child avy or something? What happened to that?

[Phoenix]

I was mocking rrr3s poison quote. sorry you didn't get the joke. are you ok

Are you? What's today's post tally looking like arguing with alts and trolls you don't respect on a board you hate?

[1987_Lakers]

OP is so easy to manipulate. I planned the "Best player of the decade" thread just to irritate Kenny and he has been on a full day meltdown because of it.

[Yeezy]

Are you? What's today's post tally looking like arguing with alts and trolls you don't respect on a board you hate?

listen. I know this place is afraid of kobe fans. that's why they're all banned. I've been banned 200 times. if you can't handle a few weeks of reality out of the year then just kill yourself. I know this is your sanctuary where you can go and pretend kobe sucks. but I'm here to give you a yearly reality check. call it your medicine. after a week or 2 I'll be gone again because I don't respect any of you. I'm simply educating you people out of the kindness of my own heart because I believe in charity. I make steven think I'm here to save the board. it's good for him. without me he woulda committed suicide long ago

[Yeezy]

OP is so easy to manipulate. I planned the "Best player of the decade" thread just to irritate Kenny and he has been on a full day meltdown because of it.

see. I got this kid on a string. he's probly so excited right now. (ooooh my. ad revenue is up for the first time in a year. let's just put up with the racism)

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

listen. I know this place is afraid of kobe fans.

There are only like 2-3 remaining Kobe stans on this forum, with you being one of them. This place was filled with them back in 2008-2013, by now most have accepted he's not top 10 and have moved on. I suggest you do the same.

[Axe]

There are only like 2-3 remaining Kobe stans on this forum, with you being one of them. This place was filled with them back in 2008-2013, by now most have accepted he's not top 10 and have moved on. I suggest you do the same.
That should include 3ball also.

[Yeezy]

There are only like 2-3 remaining Kobe stans on this forum, with you being one of them. This place was filled with them back in 2008-2013, by now most have accepted he's not top 10 and have moved on. I suggest you do the same.

you did it to yourself. I used to get banned for "trolling" with kobe stuff

:lol


your own extreme bias was your downfall


I'll give ISH maybe 3 or 4 more years tops before it goes under for good

[1987_Lakers]

you did it to yourself. I used to get banned for "trolling" with kobe stuff

:lol


your own extreme bias was your downfall


I'll give ISH maybe 3 or 4 more years tops before it goes under for good

I don't own this place.

[Yeezy]

I don't own this place.

you work for Jeff. and don't deny that you do cause if you don't then that would be a scary level of commitment with all your alts. I'd rather assume you're steven than the Simon character

[1987_Lakers]

you work for Jeff. and don't deny that you do cause if you don't then that would be a scary level of commitment with all your alts. I'd rather assume you're steven than the Simon character

I don't have any alts.

[Phoenix]

listen. I know this place is afraid of kobe fans. that's why they're all banned. I've been banned 200 times. if you can't handle a few weeks of reality out of the year then just kill yourself. I know this is your sanctuary where you can go and pretend kobe sucks. but I'm here to give you a yearly reality check. call it your medicine. after a week or 2 I'll be gone again because I don't respect any of you. I'm simply educating you people out of the kindness of my own heart because I believe in charity. I make steven think I'm here to save the board. it's good for him. without me he woulda committed suicide long ago

Tim Duncan.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I list a million guys and southbeach aka steven/1987bronies cherry picks 7 and all of them had multiple finals yet he only lists one of theirs and thinks it's saying anything

I can cherry pick 7 guys that shot under 30% lmao


my list is actually complete


you can say "oh you left out garnett"


OK add him lol. its still 99% dips

Lol obviously, but you'd still confuse inefficiency with shooting a lower percentile.

Unlike Kobe, Prime Wade was efficient in the finals. If it weren't for Lebron crapping himself, Wade would also have 2 FMVP just like Kobe.

[Yeezy]

Lol obviously, but you'd still confuse efficiency with shooting a lower percentile.

Unlike Kobe, Prime Wade was efficient in his finals. If it weren't for Lebron shitting himself, Wade would also have 2 FMVP just like Kobe.

wade got bailed out for 20 free throws a game. that finals was a complete joke lol

try again

[Yeezy]

I don't have any alts.

you have many alts Steve. it's the only way you keep this place looking legitimate

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

wade got bailed out for 20 free throws a game. that finals was a complete joke lol

try again

Stars get bailed out regularly.

And if you want to talk conspiracy, Mark Cuban had the FBI investigate it and they found nothing.

Oops.

[Yeezy]

Mark Cuban had the FBI investigate it and they found nothing.

Oops.

wrong. a lawyer told Cuban he would win if he sued the nba for that series and pushed him to look into it but Cuban declined thinking it would do more harm than good

[Gohan]

vs. 2000 Pacers
Allen: 22 on 55%TS
Iverson: 27 on 48%TS
Houston: 19 on 54%TS
Kobe: 16 on 41%TS

vs. 2001 76ers
Reggie: 31 on 61%TS
Vince: 30 on 57%TS
Allen: 27 on 61%TS
Kobe: 25 on 50%TS

vs. 2004 Pistons
Redd: 18 on 49%TS (16.6 FGA)
Jefferson: 21 on 54%TS (14.6 FGA)
Kobe: 23 on 46%TS (22.6 FGA)

vs. 2008 Celtics
Johnson: 20 on 54%TS (16.4 FGA)
Rip: 22 on 64%TS (14.2 FGA)
Kobe: 26 on 51%TS (21.8 FGA)

vs. 2009 Magic
LeBron: 39 on 59%TS
Kobe: 32 on 53%TS

vs. 2010 Celtics
Wade: 33 on 65%TS
Kobe: 29 on 53%

And I already know what your response is going to be, "it's the Finals, it's the Finals, it's the Finals", but as you can see, that's a proven track record of other perimeter stars going up against the same exact teams, in a playoff atmosphere and without fail, shooting more efficiently than Kobe did. The only guy who struggled against those teams was LeBron against the Celtics.

And you can find plenty of examples of other perimeter players having very efficient Finals during this era

2004 Billups: 21 on 70%TS
2005 Manu: 19 on 64%TS
2005 Billups: 20 on 57%TS
2006 Wade: 35 on 57%TS
2007 Parker: 25 on 60%TS
2008 Pierce: 22 on 59%TS
2008 Allen: 20 71%TS
2011 Wade: 27 on 61%TS
2012 KD: 31 on 65%TS
2012 LeBron: 29 on 56%TS


The only thing you showed is 2 top 10 players ever having lower fg% than the other losers that barely get guarded.you just proved that kobe and iverson was two of the greatest. You also proved that you are a f.aggot

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

wrong. a lawyer told Cuban he would win if he sued the nba for that series and pushed him to look into it but Cuban declined thinking it would do more harm than good

Cuban also said he 'didnt remember' consulting a lawyer.

Either way, Wade shot efficiently in the finals. So your OP wasnt "normal" for him.

Sorry bud

[Yeezy]

Cuban also said he 'didnt remember' consulting a lawyer.

Either way, Wade shot efficiently in the finals. So your OP wasnt "normal" for him.

Sorry bud

it's easy to shoot efficiently when all of your misses are erased from phoney foul calls

[Gohan]

it's easy to shoot efficiently when all of your misses are erased from phoney foul calls

This wade is like the biggest fraud great player to ever play yhe game

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

it's easy to shoot efficiently when all of your misses are erased from phoney foul calls

Lol what's your excuse for 2011 and 2012?