Killian Hayes is a punk ass suckerpunching POS and should never play in the NBA again

[90sgoat]

This b*tch punched Mo Wagner with a closed fist full force in the back of the neck. KO'ed him and could have killed him.

This goon needs to go to prison and never play again.

Or do we need to fly in the Jokic brothers again?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbApsLbRbAg

[Real Men Wear Green]

Wagner cheapshot him into the bench. Once a guy gives a cheap shot, "en garde." I won't say that was the best way to handle it because it's going to get Hayes suspended costing games and money. But otherwise? You acting like Wagner didn't get what was coming to him is a joke. You bring up the Jokic brothers probably on some race war shit but the fact is that when Jokic had his situation with Morris he would represent the Hayes side of it. You give a dirty hit you better be ready to get hit.

[90sgoat]

Wagner cheapshot him into the bench. Once a guy gives a cheap shot, "en garde."

You can't hit someone in the neck, that is attempted murder or at least something like reckless endangerment. It's an instant forfeit in all fighting sports.

Hitting someone in the neck is extremely dangerous:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_punch

Wagner could easily have been killed or paralysed.

Hayes must not play another game in the NBA.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You can't hit someone in the neck, that is attempted murder or at least something like reckless endangerment. It's an instant forfeit in all fighting sports.

Hitting someone in the neck is extremely dangerous:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_punch

Wagner could easily have been killed or paralysed.

Hayes must not play another game in the NBA.

Basketball isn't a fighting sport period. Wagner broke the rules first and got some payback. You break into someone's house trying to steal a TV and get shot? Sucks for you but you took your chances. If Wagner is the tough guy that can give a blow then he better be ready to take one. Get out of here with all that whining. Hayes will no doubt be suspended for multiple games but I would be highly surprised if he isn't back before February.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Seems like the white dude gave a light shove kinda non chalantly not expecting the other guys momentum to take him out like that.

Black dude overreacts and sucker punches in the back of the head/neck.

[90sgoat]

Basketball isn't a fighting sport period. Wagner broke the rules first and got some payback. You break into someone's house trying to steal a TV and get shot? Sucks for you but you took your chances. If Wagner is the tough guy that can give a blow then he better be ready to take one. Get out of here with all that whining. Hayes will no doubt be suspended for multiple games but I would be highly surprised if he isn't back before February.

You're a real tough guy for sure.

Have you even ever been in a fight? That's the only way I can make sense of your position.

People who have been in fights understand that punks like Hayes are going to end up in jail or stomped out dead. You do that shit like Hayes did irl and Wagners crew would have pummeled him halfway to death. If it was a crew of any violence.

If Wagners crew was not violent, Hayes would have gone to jail for many years in most countries.

[90sgoat]

Black dude overreacts and sucker punches in the back of the head/neck.

Why does it seem so common to see blacks sucker punching in the US? The knockout game and all that. Those blacks beating down old ladies in New York etc

It's just not something you see in most other cultures. You don't go around suckerpunching people, that's seen as breaking even the law of the street.

[Real Men Wear Green]

You're a real tough guy for sure.

Have you even ever been in a fight? That's the only way I can make sense of your position.

People who have been in fights understand that punks like Hayes are going to end up in jail or stomped out dead. You do that shit like Hayes did irl and Wagners crew would have pummeled him halfway to death. If it was a crew of any violence.

If Wagners crew was not violent, Hayes would have gone to jail for many years in most countries.

Have you ever been in a fight? You and the other idiot replying to me don't seem to understand that if you hit someone you get hit back. All this batching about it not being fair when he started it to begin with is stupid. You don't want to get punched? Then don't knock the man down and there won't be a problem. You're just two racist idiots taking sides really there is no intelligent thought going on here.

[90sgoat]

Have you ever been in a fight? You and the other idiot replying to me don't seem to understand that if you hit someone you get hit back. All this batching about it not being fair when he started it to begin with is stupid. You don't want to get punched? Then don't knock the man down and there won't be a problem. You're just two racist idiots taking sides really there is no intelligent thought going on here.

I've been in many fights, many years ago and I've seen people get stomped, soccer kicked in the face, headbutted etc.

I've never seen anyone punch someone in the back of the head. That's breaking the rules of even the streets.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I've been in many fights, many years ago and I've seen people get stomped, soccer kicked in the face, headbutted etc.

I've never seen anyone punch someone in the back of the head. That's breaking the rules of even the streets.
There are no rules of the streets. Show me where Wagner and Hayes were squared up for Wagners shove to be in any way honorable. Hayes can't get hurt getting shoved into the bench? Wagner shoved him considering what was and wasn't fair? Your idiocy gets worse with the post.

[Kblaze8855]

I've been in many fights, many years ago and I've seen people get stomped, soccer kicked in the face, headbutted etc.

I've never seen anyone punch someone in the back of the head. That's breaking the rules of even the streets.



That…kinda makes it sound like you’ve never been in a fight.

Fights don’t have rules and only have a few informal agreements among civilized men like not biting or eye gouging or hitting in the balls. In a life or death fight none of those apply either.

A little scuffle among people who kinda know each other that isn’t gonna lead to murder…ok. Nobody is gonna get their eye pulled out or anything like that.

Ive been hit in the back of the head in fights that weren’t even that serious. Nobody is thinking about that in a fight.

[Kblaze8855]

And I don’t know what to tell you if you think that was full force. A 15-year-old hitting something as hard as they could would look a lot worse than that much less an NBA player.

[90sgoat]

That…kinda makes it sound like you’ve never been in a fight.

Fights don’t have rules and only have a few informal agreements among civilized men like not biting or eye gouging or hitting in the balls. In a life or death fight none of those apply either.


It's also going to land you an attempted murder charge instead of just a bar fight charge.

In fact, punching someone once in the face after someone pushed you is unlikely to be a charge in most countries, punching someone in the neck after they turned their back on you, and you're going away for serious time.

[90sgoat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9hjZWyA3UM

[Kblaze8855]

It's also going to land you an attempted murder charge instead of just a bar fight charge.

In fact, punching someone once in the face after someone pushed you is unlikely to be a charge in most countries, punching someone in the neck after they turned their back on you, and you're going away for serious time.

No. You aren’t.

People try to scoop someone only to get hit in the back of the head all the time.

You are dramatically underestimating how often it happens and dramatically overestimating the prison population.

Just being ridiculous like the people trying to get Jokic charged with assault after the shove on Morris.

[Kblaze8855]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9hjZWyA3UM


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BothPeacefulFoal-size_restricted.gif

That is not what hitting someone as hard as you can looks like.

[Im Still Ballin]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BothPeacefulFoal-size_restricted.gif

That is not what hitting someone as hard as you can looks like.

He hit him in the back of the head though. There's a reason why it's banned even in combat sports

[Real Men Wear Green]

"Attempted murder." Some very stupid people are about to be disappointed.

[90sgoat]

That is not what hitting someone as hard as you can looks like.

Because Killian is a little bitch who doesn't understand about fighting.

He probably thought it would be cool to retaliate like a real G.

Didn't think this through did he.

[90sgoat]

"Attempted murder." Some very stupid people are about to be disappointed.

Oh I know Adam Silver that spineless coward is going to go too easy.

[Yeezy]

Wagner cheapshot him into the bench. Once a guy gives a cheap shot, "en garde." I won't say that was the best way to handle it because it's going to get Hayes suspended costing games and money. But otherwise? You acting like Wagner didn't get what was coming to him is a joke. You bring up the Jokic brothers probably on some race war shit but the fact is that when Jokic had his situation with Morris he would represent the Hayes side of it. You give a dirty hit you better be ready to get hit.


that wasn't a cheap shot. the ball was still inbounds and he was trying to speed up to reach and tap the ball off wagner so he closed him off and used his own momentum against him. thats part of basketball. what the pistons did wasn't part of basketball

[Real Men Wear Green]

He hit him in the back of the head though. There's a reason why it's banned even in combat sports

Basketball bans all violence period. Is Wagner allowed to shove Hayes into the bench? Was that somehow fair or justified? He crossed a line and got punched for it. The NBA will suspend Hayes for a few games and that will be the end of it.

[Yeezy]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BothPeacefulFoal-size_restricted.gif

That is not what hitting someone as hard as you can looks like.

pretty sure the video was slowed down during the hit. at full speed to the back of the head would be dangerous. possibly why he went limp and fell over. doesn't take much when its the brain stem

after watching it again its a pretty hard forearm shot follow through as well

[Kblaze8855]

He hit him in the back of the head though. There's a reason why it's banned even in combat sports

And the reason they have to ban it is because in an actual fight….it’s a natural instinct and happens all over the world all the time. You can’t do a lot of shit in a fight that has rules that happens in real life. They aren’t even worth comparing.

[Real Men Wear Green]

that wasn't a cheap shot. the ball was still inbounds and he was trying to speed up to reach and tap the ball off wagner so he closed him off and used his own momentum against him. thats part of basketball. what the pistons did wasn't part of basketball

Is that why he got ejected? Interesting... no not at all. I am not going to pretend that you are sane like blaze does.

[90sgoat]

And the reason they have to ban it is because in an actual fight….it’s a natural instinct and happens all over the world all the time. You can’t do a lot of shit in a fight that has rules that happens in real life. They aren’t even worth comparing.

This wasn't a fight.

[Yeezy]

Basketball bans all violence period. Is Wagner allowed to shove Hayes into the bench? Was that somehow fair or justified? He crossed a line and got punched for it. The NBA will suspend Hayes for a few games and that will be the end of it.

basketball play. he was closing him off to keep him from reaching the basketball to tap it off his foot. guys do it all the time

[Im Still Ballin]

Basketball bans all violence period. Is Wagner allowed to shove Hayes into the bench? Was that somehow fair or justified? He crossed a line and got punched for it. The NBA will suspend Hayes for a few games and that will be the end of it.

Sure, that's true. But the severity of the damage is obviously a factor. If Artest had elbowed Harden in the rib instead of the head, he'd have been suspended fewer games. I agree on the suspension: a few games.

[Yeezy]

This wasn't a fight.

it was a mauling/lynching on a white guy for touching one of their own for basketball reasons

[Kblaze8855]

Because Killian is a little bitch who doesn't understand about fighting.

He probably thought it would be cool to retaliate like a real G.

Didn't think this through did he.


Most people in a fight don’t “Understand” fighting. It’s a scuffle. That glancing blow wouldn’t make an nba top 50 punches. Force wise it was barely more than a mush and you in here calling it full force. Being knocked out doesn’t mean you got hit hard. Means you got hit in the wrong spot or you’re soft. He obviously did not hit him that hard.

[90sgoat]

it was a mauling/lynching on a white guy for touching one of their own for basketball reasons

Reminded me more of the knockout game / asian lady beatings in New York.

[Kblaze8855]

This wasn't a fight.

I agree. It was a shove and a mush.

[Im Still Ballin]

I think it's less about the force of the punch and more about where it landed. Did Mo Wagner flop? It looked like he buckled instantly.

[Yeezy]

Most people in a fight don’t “Understand” fighting. It’s a scuffle. That glancing blow wouldn’t make an nba top 50 punches. Force wise it was barely more than a mush and you in here calling it full force. Being knocked out doesn’t mean you got hit hard. Means you got hit in the wrong spot or you’re soft. He obviously did not hit him that hard.

the weak punches aren't what make something a fight. you need at least 1 participant on each side to make it a fight. wagner got physically assaulted by a group of people. thats the correct terminology

[Yeezy]

I agree. It was a shove and a mush.

and a foream to the brain stem

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BothPeacefulFoal-size_restricted.gif


the shove comes after the impact

backhand hammerfist

[Wally450]

You can't hit someone in the neck, that is attempted murder or at least something like reckless endangerment. It's an instant forfeit in all fighting sports.

Hitting someone in the neck is extremely dangerous:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_punch

Wagner could easily have been killed or paralysed.

Hayes must not play another game in the NBA.

This is a hell of an overreaction.

[Kblaze8855]

I don’t know what made me question the softness of modern males more. The reaction to Jokic shoving Morris or this nonsense. And people are still bringing up that Morris was out for three months as if that means pushing somebody makes you a thug. Lynching…assault.

Im so glad we will never have to go to war with the men of the old days. This generation would get annihilated.

[Yeezy]

https://youtu.be/B-OtBJ16PCQ

"just a shove"

[Yeezy]

I don’t know what made me question the softness of modern males more. The reaction to Jokic shoving Morris or this nonsense. And people are still bringing up that Morris was out for three months as if that means pushing somebody makes you a thug. Lynching…assault.

Im so glad we will never have to go to war with the men of the old days. This generation would get annihilated.

brain stem. you can't hit people in the back of the head. it's like attempted murder


jokics was a lower shot but you can't be giving a forearm/body check from behind. it's ***** shit and can cause whiplash/spinal/neck problems/dangerous concussions

[Kblaze8855]

https://youtu.be/B-OtBJ16PCQ

"just a shove"


A mush. The shove was before that.

[Yeezy]

A mush. The shove was before that.

its a windup back hand hammerfist/forearm to his brain stem. he goes limp

[Kblaze8855]

brain stem. you can't hit people in the back of the head. it's like attempted murder


Maybe you’re short and didn’t come up around tall athletic people like I did but one of the first things that happens when someone tries to fight you and you’re taller than them is they grab you low and most of the times I’ve seen it happen in my life the person got hit in the back of the head. No attempted murder charges resulted. It’s a fight. Nobody cares long as everyone walks away. It would appear everyone survived here and…nobody is gonna much care. As they shouldn’t. It’s life. You have a scrap. Move along.

[Kblaze8855]

its a windup back hand hammerfist/forearm to his brain stem. he goes limp

And Morris got whiplash from a shove behind his back, went to the hospital, and missed 4 months.

Doesn’t make it assault. Not to people from before the huggably soft Downy generation at least.

[Yeezy]

Maybe you’re short and didn’t come up around tall athletic people like I did but one of the first things that happens when someone tries to fight you and you’re taller than them is they grab you low and most of the times I’ve seen it happen in my life the person got hit in the back of the head. No attempted murder charges resulted. It’s a fight. Nobody cares long as everyone walks away. It would appear everyone survived here and…nobody is gonna much care. As they shouldn’t. It’s life. You have a scrap. Move along.

fights are different. people that get hit in the back of the head are almost always from cheap shots/sucker punches/random attacks on the street by thugs


and i'm 6'1 lol. i have video stills of me dunking posted on here

[Yeezy]

And Morris got whiplash from a shove behind his back, went to the hospital, and missed 4 months.

Doesn’t make it assault. Not to people from before the huggably soft Downy generation at least.

assault can be throwing a glass of water at someone. i think you need to check your local laws

:lol

[tontoz]

Seriously that "punch" wouldn't have knocked down a 10 yr old girl. It was nothing more than a light shove.

My guess is that he wanted to throw a real punch but wasn't able to wind up because there were so many people around. There was literally no wind-up.

[Kblaze8855]

I’m not talking about the law I’m talking about common sense and if all you’re talking about is the legal definition spare everyone the descriptions and why you think what happened is so heinous. In a society this soft you can call anything aassault and if you want to be soft enough to encourage it, go right ahead. I bet 140 thousand people got hit in the back of the head this year to little or no result.

You can hit someone in the face and kill them. It happens. When the result is nothing of note there is no reason for anyone not soft as Twinkie filling to be pressing charges. Especially over some sports scuffle.

[Im Still Ballin]

I'm thinking probably somewhere between a 3-7 game suspension for Killian. Mo's shove was a flagrant two.

[Yeezy]

I’m not talking about the law I’m talking about common sense and if all you’re talking about is the legal definition spare everyone the descriptions and why you think what happened is so heinous. In a society this soft you can call anything aassault and if you want to be soft enough to encourage it, go right ahead. I bet 140 thousand people got hit in the back of the head this year to little or no result.

You can hit someone in the face and kill them. It happens. When the result is nothing of note there is no reason for anyone not soft as Twinkie filling to be pressing charges. Especially over some sports scuffle.

killian hayes assaulted wagner with a knockout forearm windup cheap shot to the brain stem. minimum 6-7 game suspension

[Yeezy]

I'm thinking probably somewhere between a 3-7 game suspension for Killian. Mo's shove was a flagrant two.

the ball was still inbounds when wagner shoved hayes. it was a basketball play. cheap but still for the game/possession

[Kblaze8855]

Seriously that "punch" wouldn't have knocked down a 10 yr old girl. It was nothing more than a light shove.

My guess is that he wanted to throw a real punch but wasn't able to wind up because there were so many people around. There was literally no wind-up.


As one of the only people here im confident is my age or older let me say…

I think we are talking to that generation after ours who started calling the police when they got a spanking.

These are kids who never got in a fight, maybe had dudes cousin jump in as well, came back the next day for that awkward first interaction where you pretend it didn’t happen, and then go back to being friends.

we are talking to the participation trophy generation. These are the kids we would sit down in front of lamb chop or magic school bus so we could **** their older sisters in the other room.

[PP34Deuce]

Wagner is not clean. He's got a history of tendencies. That said, Kylian had no business hitting him with a closed fist and wrist to the neck. That was beyond malicious.

He'll probably get 15 games. Worse thing is he just made it harder for a fringe nba talent to show his value

[Yeezy]

As one of the only people here im confident is my age or older let me say…

I think we are talking to that generation after ours who started calling the police when they got a spanking.

These are kids who never got in a fight, maybe had dudes cousin jump in as well, came back the next day for that awkward first interaction where you pretend it didn’t happen, and then go back to being friends.

we are talking to the participation trophy generation.

i'm 38 and got in tons of fights. i went to jail for aggravated assault on a guy that tried robbing me. i nearly took his head off with a pool bridge stick. i was covered in his blood and he went to the hospital with a collapsed windpipe. i did 3 months of a work release program

i'm no stranger to confrontation and am from the oldschool days. you're just trying to look tough right now because you don't have anything like what i have in your history and youre self conscious

[Kblaze8855]

killian hayes assaulted wagner with a knockout forearm windup cheap shot to the brain stem. minimum 6-7 game suspension

Butterscotch krimpets. All of you.

[Yeezy]

Butterscotch krimpets. All of you.

tell that to the 9 people that had a restraining order placed on me after the "incident"

https://telltaletv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/giphy-68.gif

[Kblaze8855]

i'm 38 and got in tons of fights. i went to jail for aggravated assault on a guy that tried robbing me. i nearly took his head off with a pool bridge stick. i was covered in his blood and he went to the hospital with a collapsed windpipe. i did 3 months of a work release program

i'm no stranger to confrontation and am from the oldschool days. you're just trying to look tough right now because you don't have anything like what i have in your history and youre self conscious


Actually, the reason I think you’re soft is because I don’t believe I’m particularly tough and nothing about this concerns me. In my experience very few “tough” people feel a need to tell you about it.

Im speaking from the perspective of a normal person who lived a normal life. And in that normal life I’ve seen much worse than this mild mushing that went wrong.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Wagner is not clean. He's got a history of tendencies. That said, Kylian had no business hitting him with a closed fist and wrist to the neck. That was beyond malicious.

He'll probably get 15 games. Worse thing is he just made it harder for a fringe nba talent to show his value

I wouldn't have a problem with a big suspension of Hayes had instigated it but he was hitting back after he got attacked. It wasn't self-defense but the NBA should take into consideration that Hayes had just gotten blindsided and was justifiably angry. There are rules about throwing punched so go ahead and enforce that but 15 games for a guy that is retaliating is way too much. Just follow the rule which I believe is 3 or 5 games.

[Yeezy]

Actually, the reason I think you’re soft is because I don’t believe I’m particularly tough and nothing about this concerns me. In my experience very few “tough” people feel a need to tell you about it.

Im speaking from the perspective of a normal person who lived a normal life. And in that normal life I’ve seen much worse than this mild mushing that went wrong.

you right now

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AliveFailingFantail-size_restricted.gif


me

http://24.media.tumblr.com/19177eba80e2b84b0531f1ffad78e8ad/tumblr_n1xwonc0Ad1qedb29o1_500.gif

[Kblaze8855]

tell that to the 9 people that had a restraining order placed on me after the "incident"

https://telltaletv.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/giphy-68.gif




They sound fairly soft as well. Perhaps I can address you all at once at the next buttercream convention.

[90sgoat]

There was literally no wind-up.

What is this nonsense about "wind up" a punch?

A punch is generated from the legs and hips, only amateurs bring their arms back and "swing them".

https://kravmaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/punch-6.gif

[Yeezy]

They sound fairly soft as well. Perhaps I can address you all at once at the next buttercream convention.

don't make me come over there and butter your white girlfriends face with my cream

https://i.ibb.co/f4q1bx0/Screenshot-20221229-102043-Gallery.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

What is this nonsense about "wind up" a punch?

A punch is generated from the legs and hips, only amateurs bring their arms back and "swing them".

https://kravmaga.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/punch-6.gif




And Hayes is an…amateur.

[Yeezy]

And Hayes is an…amateur.

is that who you aspire to be? a 5'4 white guy


not surprised... it would help you blend in better and go unnoticed

[1987_Lakers]

don't make me come over there and butter your white girlfriends face with my cream

https://i.ibb.co/f4q1bx0/Screenshot-20221229-102043-Gallery.jpg

Double chin

[expansionera]

don't make me come over there and butter your white girlfriends face with my cream

https://i.ibb.co/f4q1bx0/Screenshot-20221229-102043-Gallery.jpg

Basketball fan (predominately black sport)
Yeezus cockrider
Double chin

Somehow still feels the need to personally physically defend a 6’10 white man who gets rocked because a black guy did the punching. What a joke

[FKAri]

I guess we can add being soft to the laundry list of issues with kenny.
I wonder if a failure of parenting is responsible for this or if it's a matter of inferior stock. I think a lack of activity in his life has just rotted his brain.

[Yeezy]

Double chin

its impossible to gain 40 pounds of muscle in a year and not get thicker in the face

[Yeezy]

I guess we can add being soft to the laundry list of issues with kenny.
I wonder if a failure of parenting is responsible for this or if it's a matter of inferior stock. I think a lack of activity in his life has just rotted his brain.

i was literally advocating for football players to wear smaller helmets and go back to playing full contact in an off topic thread the other day. this isn't part of the game of basketball though. cheap shots to the back of the head when a guys just standing there looking the other way is as low as it gets. typical behavior by "those people" though. not surprised

[Yeezy]

Basketball fan (predominately black sport where the top 2 players are currently white)


Yeezus cockrider




https://y.yarn.co/2dbc9856-6988-41b0-ba9e-3e68e64393dd_text.gif

[1987_Lakers]

i was literally advocating for football players to wear smaller helmets and go back to playing full contact in an off topic thread the other day. this isn't part of the game of basketball though. cheap shots to the back of the head when a guys just standing there looking the other way is as low as it gets. typical behavior by "those people" though. not surprised

You were mad that I made that thread and damn near implied Tua should suck it up and continue.

Now you are appalled at a white man getting tapped in the back of the head.

[Yeezy]

You were mad that I made that thread and damn near implied Tua should suck it up and continue.

Now you are appalled at a white man getting tapped in the back of the head.

theres a huge difference between a part of the game and a cheap shot after the plays over.

all of tuas concussions came from football plays. wagners shove was while the ball was rolling out of bounds and hayes trying to run and knock it off wagner.


a forearm windup to the brain stem causing a guy to go limp and fall over isn't part of sports

you wouldn't know any better because you're a 5'8, 140 pound shrimp that never played sports or had a fight of any kind


i've seen your pictures

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/FMH847/spontaneously-laughing-bearded-man-in-green-t-shirt-pointing-fingers-FMH847.jpg



and why did you ban Adolf

[FultzNationRISE]

I guess we can add being soft to the laundry list of issues with kenny.
I wonder if a failure of parenting is responsible for this or if it's a matter of inferior stock. I think a lack of activity in his life has just rotted his brain.


This feels correct.

He’s not dumb but he is disturbed, and clearly someone who idle time brings out the worst in.

[Yeezy]

This feels correct.

He’s not dumb but he is disturbed, and clearly someone who idle time brings out the worst in.

Steven's really angry today. I got him bouncing around every alt imaginable

settle down little fella


https://youtu.be/VQDlKN7HYLk


and why'd you ban Adolf. I thought you did a dna test and it said you were a European/African native mongrel mutt

[1987_Lakers]

Double chin having a meltdown

[1987_Lakers]

This feels correct.

He’s not dumb but he is disturbed, and clearly someone who idle time brings out the worst in.

100%

[Yeezy]

Double chin having a meltdown

barely. you're reaching with the chin thing lol

and you have no chin to speak of. i could probly bench press you 20 times

why did you ban adolf

[Yeezy]

I was looking down at my phone for the pic. probly didn't help. perfectly strong healthy jaw line. thanks

https://i.ibb.co/mSFgBJn/Screenshot-20221229-121702-Gallery.jpg


I'd smash your mom's pelvic bone into smithereens with this jaw

[Yeezy]

why am i the only one ever proving anything on here. whether it be wealth, looks, dunking, possessions, houses, cars, muscle, singing voice, jaw lines


its almost as if i'm the only real man out of everyone here

[1987_Lakers]

I was looking down at my phone for the pic. probly didn't help. perfectly strong healthy jaw line. thanks

https://i.ibb.co/mSFgBJn/Screenshot-20221229-121702-Gallery.jpg


I'd smash your mom's pelvic bone into smithereens with this jaw

Now you are posting pics from 5 years ago. :lol

[Yeezy]

Now you are posting pics from 5 years ago. :lol

didnt have grey in my beard 5 years ago

racoon eyed midget mongrel loses again

:oldlol:

[warriorfan]

little lakers with another manlet meltdown lmaooo

he should see a psychiatrist

[Charlie Sheen]

This feels correct.

He’s not dumb but he is disturbed, and clearly someone who idle time brings out the worst in.

Nope. His world view was crafted from youtube clips and he believes that everyone else needs to listen when he speaks. He is dumb. You are not doing that poster any favors by protecting him from reality.

[Yeezy]

Nope. His world view was crafted from youtube clips and he believes that everyone else needs to listen when he speaks. He is dumb. You are not doing that poster any favors by protecting him from reality.

my only experience in life is youtube clips

https://kennethgriffin1984.wistia.com/medias/m9fppsqntx

:lol

[RogueBorg]

Wouldn't even have been a foul in the 80's.

[rawimpact]

I'm kind of curious, not that I think this should happen, but Police often investigate crimes that were committed on video versus observed and sometimes a state attorney can prosecute if there is enough evidence that this actually occurred regardless of whether or not the victim opts to pursue charges.

Why is that not the same in the NBA? I mean clearly a grown man assaulted a dude... the intent to harm was obvious with that swing to the back of the head.

If assault is ignored because it's considered to be a sport, what other illegal acts are acceptable?

Again, this is just a question... i'm not suggesting or do I think Killian Hayes should be charged.

[Kblaze8855]

I'm kind of curious, not that I think this should happen, but Police often investigate crimes that were committed on video versus observed and sometimes a state attorney can prosecute if there is enough evidence that this actually occurred regardless of whether or not the victim opts to pursue charges.

Why is that not the same in the NBA? I mean clearly a grown man assaulted a dude... the intent to harm was obvious with that swing to the back of the head.

If assault is ignored because it's considered to be a sport, what other illegal acts are acceptable?

Again, this is just a question... i'm not suggesting or do I think Killian Hayes should be charged.


Outside the realm of sport a reach in foul is “assault”. I assume questions like this don’t get addressed because people have common sense. If you arrested everyone in sports for any post whistle(therefor outside the game action) “assault” every local jail near nfl games would be full of players by halftime.

Guy gets shoved into the bench and gets up and throws a fairly pathetic looking punch. The shover got a flagrant 2 and the puncher was ejected with him. Nobody needs to clog up the court system any further over that nonsense. People are awaiting court dates for shit that actually matters. Nothing this stupid should be on a judge’s schedule.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I was looking down at my phone for the pic. probly didn't help. perfectly strong healthy jaw line. thanks

https://i.ibb.co/mSFgBJn/Screenshot-20221229-121702-Gallery.jpg


I'd smash your mom's pelvic bone into smithereens with this jaw
Pube beard blending in with your pale face


You are one ugly ass mother ****er, ugliest guy in the mental hospital for sure :lol

[FKAri]

Outside the realm of sport a reach in foul is “assault”. I assume questions like this don’t get addressed because people have common sense. If you arrested everyone in sports for any post whistle(therefor outside the game action) “assault” every local jail near nfl games would be full of players by halftime.

Guy gets shoved into the bench and gets up and throws a fairly pathetic looking punch. The shover got a flagrant 2 and the puncher was ejected with him. Nobody needs to clog up the court system any further over that nonsense. People are awaiting court dates for shit that actually matters. Nothing this stupid should be on a judge’s schedule.

I'd imagine Assumption of risk laws would cover a lot of stuff including after the whistle tussles. But something like in the OP I think could be subject to legal ramifications if pursued. There is precedent in hockey with the Todd Bertuzzi incident. Usually it's not pursued because no such case is a slam dunk but if it affects earnings potential or results in life altering injury it would be worth pursuing.

[Yeezy]

Pube beard blending in with your pale face


You are one ugly ass mother ****er, ugliest guy in the mental hospital for sure :lol


I'm glad I'm ugly to you. you're a man


to people I'm actually meant to sleep with however:

https://kennethgriffin1984.wistia.com/medias/m9fppsqntx

:lol

[tontoz]

I am curious to see what type of punishment he gets for that lame punch. Forcing him to watch it over and over would be a pretty good punishment since it was so embarrassing.

[Manny98]

Punching someone in the back of the head deserves a severe punishment

[tontoz]

Punching someone in the back of the head deserves a severe punishment

I bet Mo has been hit harder than that from his barber.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I bet Mo has been hit harder than that from his barber.

Go ahead and lightly punch the back of your head/neck. Now imagine that times 20 while not expecting it.

The guy literally collapsed and you're downplaying it?

[tontoz]

Go ahead and lightly punch the back of your head/neck. Now imagine that times 20 while not expecting it.

The guy literally collapsed and you're downplaying it?

Lol he was pushed in the back before he got " punched".

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lol he was pushed in the back before he got " punched".

So you're saying because he was pushed in the back he then was expectimg to be sucker punched by an explosive athlete in one of the most vulnerable parts of the human body?

He literally collapsed and you're pretending it's nothing because the punch visually looked weak to you from your couch. :roll:

[Real Men Wear Green]

So you're saying because he was pushed in the back he then was expectimg to be sucker punched by an explosive athlete in one of the most vulnerable parts of the human body?

He literally collapsed and you're pretending it's nothing because the punch visually looked weak to you from your couch. :roll:

So if someone shoved you to the ground you wouldn't do anything about it?

Actually I could believe that.

[tontoz]

Number 6 is the.guy who actually hit mo hard and someone on their bench held mo up which kept him from falling.

The after Killian administered his death blow the guy holding him just threw him down. The punch didn't do squat.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BothPeacefulFoal-size_restricted.gif

[AlternativeAcc.]

So if someone shoved you to the ground you wouldn't do anything about it?

Actually I could believe that.

I'm perplexed at the question and amused at how unintelligent it is.

He wasn't expecting to be punched in the back of the head. I never spoke on what I'd do if I was shoved. You're not very bright.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Number 6 is the.guy who actually hit mo hard and someone on their bench held mo up which kept him from falling.

The after Killian administered his death blow the guy holding him just threw him down. The punch didn't do squat.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BothPeacefulFoal-size_restricted.gif

So you're saying he was knocked out by the shove in the back and not the direct hit to his neck?

If so, makes it worse. He struck a knocked out dude which could've caused serious damage.

I'm not arguing thr force of the punch was substantial under normal circumstances, but things that cause knocks out and concussions are well placed hits that you don't see coming. Those are always the most dangerous.

[tontoz]

Knocked out? :roll:

There is a big difference between being knocked down and being knocked out. Even when people get hit hard enough to get knocked down they aren't knocked out most of the time and certainly Mo wasn't knocked out.

By your definition embiid must be getting knocked out a dozen times a game.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Knocked out? :roll:

There is a big difference between being knocked down and being knocked out. Even when people get hit hard enough to get knocked down they aren't knocked out most of the time and certainly Mo wasn't knocked out.

By your definition embiid must be getting knocked out a dozen times a game.

:facepalm

His body went limp and his eyes closed. Layed there for several seconds unconscious. was literally knocked out by definition.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I'm perplexed at the question and amused at how unintelligent it is.

He wasn't expecting to be punched in the back of the head. I never spoke on what I'd do if I was shoved. You're not very bright.

You are constantly going on about how Hayes did the wrong thing. Someone so intelligent should be able to understand why that question would be asked. You apparently would let someone knock you to the ground and do nothing.

[Manny98]

I bet Mo has been hit harder than that from his barber.
It's not about how hard he hit him, it's the act of hitting someone in the back of the head is very dangerous and can cause serious harm

[tontoz]

:facepalm

His body went limp and his eyes closed. Layed there for several seconds unconscious. was literally knocked out by definition.


He was in the middle of several bodies. It would have been a struggle for him to pop up quickly if he tried.

[tontoz]

It's not about how hard he hit him, it's the act of hitting someone in the back of the head is very dangerous and can cause serious harm

It can if the hit actually had some force behind it. The only way that punch could have hurt Mo would be if he hit mo in the balls.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's not about how hard he hit him, it's the act of hitting someone in the back of the head is very dangerous and can cause serious harm

So can getting knocked to the ground. Don't want to get hurt? Then don't fight.

[Manny98]

Wait are we really defending someone hitting someone from behind on the back of the head :oldlol:

If he went straight up and punched him in the face I wouldn't have cared but that was a straight up bitch move from Killian

[Kblaze8855]

It can if the hit actually had some force behind it. The only way that punch could have hurt Mo would be if he hit mo in the balls.


These are the people who claimed Chris Rock could have been killed.

That blow is legitimately the least violent thing I have ever heard discussed in anger by sports fans. These dudes would legit want the national guard called out over a Knicks or Pistons scuffle back in the day.

[AlternativeAcc.]

He was in the middle of several bodies. It would have been a struggle for him to pop up quickly if he tried.

His body is limp and he's unconscious. You're doubling down on stupidity at this point.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Wait are we really defending someone hitting someone from behind on the back of the head :oldlol:

If he went straight up and punched him in the face I wouldn't have cared but that was a straight up bitch move from Killian

So the guy that got shoved to the ground without any provocation or chance to defend himself had an obligation to warn the guy that just shoved him down that he's going to retaliate?

You are actively advocating for punk rights.

[AlternativeAcc.]

So the guy that got shoved to the ground without any provocation or chance to defend himself had an obligation to warn the guy that just shoved him down that he's going to retaliate?

You are actively advocating for punk rights.

What do you not understand about being punched in the back of the head can disable or kill you?

Such idiots.

[BigShotBob]

What do you not understand about being punched in the back of the head can disable or kill you?

Such idiots.

To be fair you don't think Killian being shoved out of bounds couldn't have disabled or killed him? It wasn't a love tap it was hard too

[Real Men Wear Green]

What do you not understand about being punched in the back of the head can disable or kill you?

Such idiots.

You need a wet nap. We have established that your soft and that's fine but understand that if you attack a man you are liable to suffer retaliation.

[tontoz]

His body is limp and he's unconscious. You're doubling down on stupidity at this point.


His body was limp before he got hit because he was being held up. Then the guy holding him up tossed him down.

And he was never unconscious :facepalm

[Manny98]

So the guy that got shoved to the ground without any provocation or chance to defend himself had an obligation to warn the guy that just shoved him down that he's going to retaliate?

You are actively advocating for punk rights.
I literally just said I could care less if Hayes went and punched him in the face, Wagner deserved it

Hitting someone in the back of the head is not only extremely dangerous even lightly it's also cowardly

[AlternativeAcc.]

You need a wet nap. We have established that your soft and that's fine but understand that if you attack a man you are liable to suffer retaliation.

So you're arguing that any 'retaliation' is deemed acceptable including striking someone in the back of the head which is banned in even combat sports.

You're some fatass libnerd but I'm soft because I'm speaking logic. You geeks are hilarious. :oldlol:

[AlternativeAcc.]

His body was limp before he got hit because he was being held up. Then the guy holding him up tossed him down.

And he was never unconscious :facepalm

He wasn't because you say so even though there's clear video evidence of him being knocked out?

:roll:

What even is this thread.

[Manny98]

What do you not understand about being punched in the back of the head can disable or kill you?

Such idiots.
I thought it was common knowledge of how dangerous even a light hit to that area can be :facepalm

[Real Men Wear Green]

So you're arguing that any 'retaliation' is deemed acceptable including striking someone in the back of the head which is banned in even combat sports.

You're some fatass libnerd but I'm soft because I'm speaking logic. You geeks are hilarious. :oldlol:

You're a ***** that eon't even post under his original username so yes, you are soft.

[Kblaze8855]

Please will one of you give me a hint you’re trolling. You see this:


https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PepperyBlackAustralianfurseal-size_restricted.gif


And want a lifetime ban, an arrest, a jury convened, and the court system put in further hassle.

Over a flagrant foul being answered with a “punch” that doesn’t even do the word justice.


What kind of basketball did you people play to be up in arms over this absolute nothing everyone walked away fine from?

[Real Men Wear Green]

I literally just said I could care less if Hayes went and punched him in the face, Wagner deserved it

Hitting someone in the back of the head is not only extremely dangerous even lightly it's also cowardly

Was Hayes squared up to defend himself when he was shoved to the ground? Is there no danger in getting shoved into the bench? Your double standard is weird and stupid.

[AlternativeAcc.]

You're a ***** that eon't even post under his original username so yes, you are soft.

And you're crying because people are explaining to you that being sucker punched in the back of the head isn't cool. Or warranted. Especially after a light shove in the midst of a basketball game.

Cope harder bitch.

[Manny98]

Was Hayes squared up to defend himself when he was shoved to the ground? Is there no danger in getting shoved into the bench? Your double standard is weird and stupid.
Are you seriously comparing shoving someone to hitting somebody in the back of the head.

Wtf is wrong with you :facepalm

[tontoz]

He wasn't because you say so even though there's clear video evidence of him being knocked out?

:roll:

What even is this thread.

Mo was surrounded by Pistons. How exactly could you see his eyes?

[tontoz]

Are you seriously comparing shoving someone to hitting somebody in the back of the head.

Wtf is wrong with you :facepalm


Killian was running and was pushed into the bench. That was potentially more dangerous than that weak attempt at a punch.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Mo was surrounded by Pistons. How exactly could you see his eyes?

In the gif you posted his body is limp and his eyes are closed.

Are u blind and stupid?

[Kblaze8855]

Are you seriously comparing shoving someone to hitting somebody in the back of the head.

Wtf is wrong with you :facepalm


Given the choice of being knocked over like that or hit in the back of the head with the force we saw there?

Give me the hit. I don’t feel like having to get up or maybe banging my knee.

Him reacting the way he did doesn’t mean it was hit particularly hard. He could be unusually susceptible to those injuries. People get hit a lot harder in all parts of the head and don’t go down. Having been hit many times the head is one of the better.

Getting punched in the stomach(which has also killed people), or the face(also kills people) hurts a lot more.

A sport not encouraging Mike Tyson or Rampage Jackson to do it as a means of knocking someone out doesn’t mean you die off a light touch. It isn’t your off switch. If I walk into your room right now and hit you in the back of the head…you’ll be fine.

Could it go poorly? Sure. So could hitting you in any way. But it wouldn’t. You’d be fine. Even if you wanted to press charges like a bitch.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Given the choice of being knocked over like that or hit in the back of the head with the force we saw there?

Give me the hit. I don’t feel like having to get up or maybe banging my knee.

Him reacting the way he did doesn’t mean it was hit particularly hard. He could be unusually susceptible to those injuries. People get hit a lot harder in all parts of the head and don’t go down. Having been hit many times the head is one of the better.

Getting punched in the stomach(which has also killed people), or the face(also kills people) hurts a lot more.

A sport not encouraging Mike Tyson or Rampage Jackson to do it as a means of knocking someone out doesn’t mean you die off a light touch. It isn’t your off switch. If I walk into your room right now and hit you in the back of the head…you’ll be fine.

Could it go poorly? Sure. So could hitting you in any way. But it wouldn’t. You’d be fine. Even if you wanted to press charges like a bitch.

The force was enough to clearly knock him out

So you'd rather be knocked out. You sound like a smart guy.

It's not about pain.. it's about a hit in an extremely vulnerable area of the body that you don't see coming.

How can you possibly not comprehend that? You think they banned those shots in COMBAT sports for shits and giggles? Because it's not dangerous?

[tontoz]

In the gif you posted his body is limp and his eyes are closed.

Are u blind and stupid?

His body was already limp before he got hit, and two Pistons covered him up as soon as he went down. He couldn't have gotten up if he tried.

And no I can't see from that clip whether his eyes were open or closed.

That punch was the equivalent of an air ball from the foul line. It was a failed attempt.

[Manny98]

Given the choice of being knocked over like that or hit in the back of the head with the force we saw there?

Give me the hit. I don’t feel like having to get up or maybe banging my knee.

Him reacting the way he did doesn’t mean it was hit particularly hard. He could be unusually susceptible to those injuries. People get hit a lot harder in all parts of the head and don’t go down. Having been hit many times the head is one of the better.

Getting punched in the stomach(which has also killed people), or the face(also kills people) hurts a lot more.

A sport not encouraging Mike Tyson or Rampage Jackson to do it as a means of knocking someone out doesn’t mean you die off a light touch. It isn’t your off switch. If I walk into your room right now and hit you in the back of the head…you’ll be fine.

Could it go poorly? Sure. So could hitting you in any way. But it wouldn’t. You’d be fine. Even if you wanted to press charges like a bitch.
I think you guys are MASSIVELY underestimating how dangerous it is to get hit in that area, even the lightest punch there could cause you to be paralyzed or worse.

https://i.postimg.cc/KctCpRVM/Getty-Images-1245860072-jpg.webp

[AlternativeAcc.]

His body was already limp before he got hit, and two Pistons covered him up as soon as he went down. He couldn't have gotten up if he tried.

And no I can't see from that clip whether his eyes were open or closed.

That punch was the equivalent of an air ball from the foul line. It was a failed attempt.

It does look like he was compromised before the punch in some capacity, but there's no arguing that he was clearly knocked out. It doesn't matter if it's seconds or minutes, being unconscious is being unconscious and he clearly is.

You're in the minority here pal. It's plainly obvious.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I think you guys are MASSIVELY underestimating how dangerous it is to get hit in that area, even the lightest punch there could cause you to be paralyzed or worse.

https://i.postimg.cc/KctCpRVM/Getty-Images-1245860072-jpg.webp

Not to mention Hayes is an extremely explosive professional athlete. I've seen dudes knocked out in the UFC by shots that literally look like nothing but are wither well placed or well timed or both.

There's definitely some force behind it by a powerful dude regardless of what it looks like.

These nerds don't get it.

[tontoz]

Not to mention Hayes is an extremely explosive professional athlete. I've seen dudes knocked out in the UFC by shots that literally look like nothing but are wither well placed or well timed or both.

There's definitely some force behind it by a powerful dude regardless of what it looks like.

These nerds don't get it.

:roll:

There was nothing explosive about that attempt of a punch. It was embarrassingly weak.

The fact that Mo was already leaning away from him made it even weaker. if mo had been leaning towards him then the impact would have been greater, but still not enough to hurt anyone.

[AlternativeAcc.]

:roll:

There was nothing explosive about that attempt of a punch. It was embarrassingly weak.

The fact that Mo was already leaning away from him made it even weaker. if mo had been leaning towards him then the impact would have been greater, but still not enough to hurt anyone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9hjZWyA3UM

He does a full squat before and puts power behind it.

You're a fukkkng moron.

[AlternativeAcc.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oetc1rhwi0g


Slow it down to half speed and tell me there's no power from this shot. He uses a ton of leg power. You guys are all idiots.

[Yeezy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oetc1rhwi0g


Slow it down to half speed and tell me there's no power from this shot. He uses a ton of leg power. You guys are all idiots.

get off my dick. why you jacking my posts and points f*ck boi

[tontoz]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B9hjZWyA3UM

He does a full squat before and puts power behind it.

You're a fukkkng moron.

That is certainly a better view


That was backfist. The only time you ever see that punch thrown in mma is when they do a complete spin because that is the only way to get any force on it.

Not to mention that his he didn't even hit Mo with his knuckles. He hit him with the side of his hand which is soft.

[AlternativeAcc.]

get off my dick. why you jacking my posts and points f*ck boi

I searched those vids myself. I dont read any of your posts, theyre far too cancerous

[AlternativeAcc.]

That is certainly a better view


That was backfist. The only time you ever see that punch thrown in mma is when they do a complete spin because that is the only way to get any force on it.

Not to mention that his he didn't even hit Mo with his knuckles. He hit him with the side of his hand which is soft.

So now you're arguing its weak because it made contact with the side of his fist :oldlol:

lets forget that he forcibly lunges and makes clear contact to the back of dudes head who wasnt expecting it.

I take this as you conceding. :cheers:

Btw hammer fists are a stable of mma and have knocked out plenty of people without any leg force behind it. Without going to the back of the head. And without being cheap shots the other person doest expect. Pls educate yourself

[Kblaze8855]

The force was enough to clearly knock him out

So you'd rather be knocked out. You sound like a smart guy.

It's not about pain.. it's about a hit in an extremely vulnerable area of the body that you don't see coming.

How can you possibly not comprehend that? You think they banned those shots in COMBAT sports for shits and giggles? Because it's not dangerous?


You think the people in COMBAT sports…a single one of them…hits anyone that lightly?

And you also can’t punch a kidney in boxing, or elbow down in mma , or for the most part headbutt or kick someone in the head when down.

And just like being hit in the back of the head every one of them is perfectly normal fight activity people have been enduring for thousands of years. Sanctioned fight rules have absolutely nothing to do with the real world. And in that real world people get hit on all parts of the head to little result every day.

One being briefly knocked down before walking off fine takes nothing away from it.

[Yeezy]

I searched those vids myself. I dont read any of your posts, theyre far too cancerous

says the guy that stalks me for 10 years

[Real Men Wear Green]

And you're crying because people are explaining to you that being sucker punched in the back of the head isn't cool. Or warranted. Especially after a light shove in the midst of a basketball game.

Cope harder bitch.

So you would in fact let someone shove you to the ground. Ok but don't expect actual men to take it the same way.

[AlternativeAcc.]

You think the people in COMBAT sports…a single one of them…hits anyone that lightly?

And you also can’t punch a kidney in boxing, or elbow down in mma , or for the most part headbutt or kick someone in the head when down.

And just like being hit in the back of the head every one of them is perfectly normal fight activity people have been enduring for thousands of years. Sanctioned fight rules have absolutely nothing to do with the real world. And in that real world people get hit on all parts of the head to little result every day.

One being briefly knocked down before walking off fine takes nothing away from it.

Watch the videos I posted dummy. There's force behind it

The guy is clearly knocked out.

What the **** are u even arguing at this point? Thats its cool to punch dudes in the back of the head when they don't even expect it?

[Kblaze8855]

. I think you guys are MASSIVELY underestimating how dangerous it is to get hit in that area, even the lightest punch there could cause you to be paralyzed or worse.


I think you are massively underestimating how many times it happens to no result. This being one of them regardless of the “He could have been killed” pathetic his Tetris they results anytime two people make contact these days. Jokic could have killed morris…people wanted Will Smith arrested….this guy needs a lifetime ban and a da to press charges.

**** outta here.

[tontoz]

So now you're arguing its weak because it made contact with the side of his fist :oldlol:

lets forget that he forcibly lunges and makes clear contact to the back of dudes head who wasnt expecting it.

I take this as you conceding. :cheers:


Lol you can't generate power with a backfist when you're facing someone. The only way to do any damage with a backfist is to spin. That is why you never even see that punch attempted without a spin.

[Kblaze8855]

Watch the videos I posted dummy. There's force behind it

The guy is clearly knocked out.

What the **** are u even arguing at this point? Thats its cool to punch dudes in the back of the head when they don't even expect it?


That I don’t care one bit that someone you shove down hits you back. It’s nothing. It’s absolutely nothing and wouldn’t even be reported on for most of my life.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lol you can't generate power with a backfist when you're facing someone. The only way to do any damage with a backfist is to spin. That is why you never even see that punch attempted without a spin.

Uhh, cringe.

Hammer fist. You know nothing about this subject.

You arguing that you can't put power behind a shot landed by the side of your fist without spinning is honestly the dumbest I've ever read. Ever.

[AlternativeAcc.]

That I don’t care one bit that someone you shove down hits you back. It’s nothing. It’s absolutely nothing and wouldn’t even be reported on for most of my life.

Because you're ignorant. Only a moron would argue that sucker punching someone in the back of the head is nothing.

[tontoz]

Uhh, cringe.

Hammer fist. You know nothing about this subject.

You arguing that you can't put power behind a shot landed by the side of your fist without spinning is honestly the dumbest I've ever read. Ever.

A hammer fist isn't the same thing as a back fist :facepalm

A hammer fist is thrown against a downed opponent.it is thrown up and down so you have gravity and your body weight behind it.

Nobody throws hammer fists against a guy who is standing.

:oldlol:

[AlternativeAcc.]

A hammer fist isn't the same thing as a back fist :facepalm

A hammer fist is thrown against a downed opponent.it is thrown up and down so you have gravity and your body weight behind it.

Nobody throws hammer fists against a guy who is standing.

:oldlol:

I know that dumbass... You're bringing up the side of the fist and saying you couldn't possibly generate power and strike someone with the side of your first?

Do you understand how stupid that is? Do you have an athletic bone in your body? Go ahead and lunge like Hayes and bring your arm up in the same fashion. You're telling me you csnt generate power like that?

Keep laughing... You're getting clowned.

[Kblaze8855]

Wrap it in whatever pussified horror struck language you want it was nothing of consequence. You hit somebody in the street minding his own business we can have that conversation. Between two athletes when one just pushed the other one down? I for one will leave my pearls unclutched.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wrap it in whatever pussified horror struck language you want it was nothing of consequence. You hit somebody in the street minding his own business we can have that conversation. Between two athletes when one just pushed the other one down? I for one will leave my pearls unclutched.

I posted a video of a doctor explaining the dangers of shots to the back of the head (especially ones you don't see coming)

And all you can say is " but iz from the hood I saw Dat shit erryday"

Dude shut up. You don't have a point. You lose.

[tontoz]

I know that dumbass... You're bringing up the side of the fist and saying you couldn't possibly generate power and strike someone with the side of your first?

Do you understand how stupid that is? Do you have an athletic bone in your body? Go ahead and lunge like Hayes and bring your arm up in the same fashion. You're telling me you csnt generate power like that?

Keep laughing... You're getting clowned.

You don't know the difference between a backfist and a hammer fist and you think I am getting clowned?

Why dont you show me one vid of anyone throwing a hammer fist punch against someone who is standing. I won't hold my breath.:oldlol:

Now if he threw a back fist and connected with the side of his wrist or forearm then it would be bone on bone and might hurt a little.

[AlternativeAcc.]

You don't know the difference between a backfist and a hammer fist and you think I am getting clowned?

Why dont you show me one vid of anyone throwing a hammer fist punch against someone who is standing.

Now if he threw a back fist and connected with the side of his wrist or forearm then it would be bone on bone and might hurt a little.

I brought up hammer fist in the context of being able to generate power using the side of your fist, even without your legs.

I know infinitely more about mma than you.

You're a goofball trying to argue that you can't generate power unless you hit someone with your knuckles. Retard stuff.


I'm not arguing it's the most optimal or practical way to throw a punch, but he certainly generated power and landed clean. You say the the side if thr fist is soft, Is it softer than a glove?

All of your points are horrendous and you're desperately moving goal posts as I continue to own you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r4YPBJ8oC-8

Here's that video you asked for too

[tontoz]

I brought up hammer fist in the context of being able to generate power using the side of your fist, even without your legs.

I know infinitely more about mma than you.

You're a goofball trying to argue that you can't generate power unless you hit someone with your knuckles. Retard stuff.


I'm not arguing it's the most optimal or practical way to throw a punch, but he certainly generated power and landed clean. You say the the side if thr fist is soft, Is it softer than a glove?

All of your points are horrendous and you're desperately moving goal posts as I continue to own you.


You are really talking nonsense now. Generating power is a separate issue from what part of the hand makes contact.

:roll:

[AlternativeAcc.]

You are really talking nonsense now. Generating power is a separate issue from what part of the hand makes contact.

:roll:

So explain why you can't generate power with the motion that Hayes made? You can't generate power unless you hit someone with your knuckles? It's the only way? What are you some fat **** that's never moved his body?

But I'm talking nonsense. "Well thats a better angle....ugh ugh but thr side of his fist is soft!"

:roll:

[tontoz]

So explain why you can't generate power with the motion that Hayes made?

But I'm talking nonsense. "Well thats a better angle....ugh ugh but thr side of his fist is soft!"

:roll:


Because it is very hard to generate power with a backfist when you are facing someone. That is why no fighter ever tries it against a standing opponent unless they are spinning to generate speed.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Because it is very hard to generate power with a backfist when you are facing someone. That is why no fighter ever tries it against a standing opponent unless they are spinning to generate speed.

It doesn't matter what fighters do in fights you dipshit.

Mimic the move. You can generate power with it. Anybody with a semblance of athleticism could, especially a professional basketball player with explosive power.

It's not a practical way to strike, but it can generate power and the guy wasn't facing him. He was stationary and had his back turned.

There's a lot of ways you can generate power outside of the traditional punch. I'm sure there's 5 year Olds that can understand this, but you can't apparently. It's very odd.

[Kblaze8855]

I posted a video of a doctor explaining the dangers of shots to the back of the head (especially ones you don't see coming)

And all you can say is " but iz from the hood I saw Dat shit erryday"

Dude shut up. You don't have a point. You lose.


I would have to imagine a doctor on camera would explain the danger of being punched any of the places that have proven potentially fatal. And yet still in the real world if you push somebody down and they get up and hit you I don’t give a shit especially when everyone walked out fine 30 seconds later. It’s a non story made a story by a bunch of dramatic people on the internet. In this case one resorting to racism for…reasons I can’t tell. The person in here bragging about arrests being covered in blood and being put on multiple restraining orders is on your side.

I…simply know a lot of your bullshit isn’t true. Guy in here talking about even a light touch to the back of the head is disastrous as if millions of people aren’t walking around having been hit in the back of the head to no result. All physical attacks are dangerous, and can obviously be more dangerous, depending on the part of the body attacked, but nothing about this in retaliation to being pushed over is noteworthy.

The whiplash from Jokic shoving morris did a LOT more damage and I said what I say now.

Keep your hands to yourself if you don’t want retaliation.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I would have to imagine a doctor on camera would explain the danger of being punched any of the places that have proven potentially fatal. And yet still in the real world if you push somebody down and they get up and hit you I don’t give a shit especially when everyone walked out fine 30 seconds later. It’s a non story made a story by a bunch of dramatic people on the internet. In this case one resorting to racism for…reasons I can’t tell. The person in here bragging about arrests being covered in blood and being put on multiple restraining orders is on your side.

I…simply know a lot of your bullshit isn’t true. Guy in here talking about even a light touch to the back of the head is disastrous as if millions of people aren’t walking around having been hit in the back of the head to no result. All physical attacks are dangerous, and can obviously be more dangerous, depending on the part of the body attacked, but nothing about this in retaliation to being pushed over is noteworthy.

The whiplash from Jokic shoving morris did a LOT more damage and I said what I say now.

Keep your hands to yourself if you don’t want retaliation.

I'm not even making that big deal of the punch itself, but moreso the inability of you guys to understand that sucker punching someone in the back of the head is dangerous.

You're arguing that other things have done more damage. Again sidestepping from the original point. You're essentially trying to argue since he's not dead and no reports of serous injury occurred, that it doesn't matter. And he deserved it.

More power to you for doubling down on your own stupidity, but you're wrong.

[tontoz]

It doesn't matter what fighters do in fights you dipshit.

Mimic the move. You can generate power with it. Anybody with a semblance of athleticism could, especially a professional basketball player with explosive power.

It's not a practical way to strike, but it can generate power and the guy wasn't facing him. He was stationary and had his back turned.

There's a lot of ways you can generate power outside of the traditional punch. I'm sure there's 5 year Olds that can understand this, but you can't apparently. It's very odd.


You can't generate enough power to knock someone out.

The only way to actually hurt someone with that type of punch would be if you hit them right on the tip of the nose but that would be pretty hard to do. That might knock them down.

[Kblaze8855]

Yes, I am saying being hit after you shove somebody and the incident results in no serious injury is not important.

Would you like me to say it several more times none of which will change the fact that absolutely nothing of consequence occurred despite your pearl clutching over the fact that it hypothetically could have because punches are dangerous?

People get punched and die. They get knocked over and die. When someone gets punched or knocked over to no real result I don’t feel a need to impanel a grand jury…especially…in the context of a sports scuffle.

You wanna call it assault, tie up the legal system further, and ban everyone from athletics go right ahead in your fantasy world where what you think matters.

I’m going to remain in this one where the story is already over and nobody gives a shit because it does not…in fact…matter.

[AlternativeAcc.]

You can't generate enough power to knock someone out.

The only way to actually hurt someone with that type of punch would be if you hit them right on the tip of the nose but that would be pretty hard to do. That might knock them down.

:facepalm

There's a myriad of ways you can knock someone out. Especially if you are striking a guy from behind who isn't suspecting to be struck, especially in that exact part of the body.

Telling me you cant use your arm and body in the same manner as Hayes did and not be able to knock someone out is just trolling at this point. I don't believe you're this stupid. And he literally got knocked out... on video.. of this exact scenario.

I'm done. Please seek some help.

[tontoz]

It will definitely be interesting to see what the punishment will be. Killian clearly wanted to throw a punch to hurt him, just didn't do a good job.

How do you handle that in Silver's shoes?

[tontoz]

:facepalm

There's a myriad of ways you can knock someone out. Especially if you are striking a guy from behind who isn't suspecting to be struck, especially in that exact part of the body.

Telling me you cant use your arm and body in the same manner as Hayes did and not be able to knock someone out is just trolling at this point. I don't believe you're this stupid. And he literally got knocked out... on video.. of this exact scenario.

I'm done. Please seek some help.

There are indeed a lot of ways to knock someone out. A standing backfist without a spin isn't one of them.:oldlol:


No he didn't get knocked out. He was already leaning forward then got tossed down by the guy holding him up.

FYI the temple or the ear are much more vulnerable to blows than the back of the head.

[Kblaze8855]

It will definitely be interesting to see what the punishment will be. Killian clearly wanted to throw a punch to hurt him, just didn't do a good job.

How do you handle that in Silver's shoes?


Whatever it is dramatic people will come out saying it’s either not enough or “Ha! 15 games! This proves it was heinous!” and then nobody will speak of it ever again.

What was that nuggets Knicks fight? I feel like someone got 15 games. The fight where Melo backpedaled halfway across the state of New York as Nate Robinson chased him.

[tontoz]

Whatever it is dramatic people will come out saying it’s either not enough or “Ha! 15 games! This proves it was heinous!” and then nobody will speak of it ever again.

What was that nuggets Knicks fight? I feel like someone got 15 games. The fight where Melo backpedaled halfway across the state of New York as Nate Robinson chased him.


Lol I don't remember the suspension length. My memory isn't that good but I remember the scene. Funny stuff.

[90sgoat]

3 game suspension for Hayes.
2 game suspension for Mo.

Silver hates white people.

[Kblaze8855]

Both suspended an insignificant number of games. Just something to fill a morning segment of sports center. Whole lot of talk over nothing.

That said…ish has turned weirdly racist. More so than usual even.

[GrayGoat]

Both suspended an insignificant number of games. Just something to fill a morning segment of sports center. Whole lot of talk over nothing.

That said…ish has turned weirdly racist. More so than usual even.

Seems to coincide with Kenny’s re-emergence

[Real Men Wear Green]

3 game suspension for Hayes.
2 game suspension for Mo.

Silver hates white people.

The punishment for throwing a punch is 3 games. Wagner meanwhile got his wrist slapped for instigating with a complete non basketball play. It was within the realm of the right ruling. I realize that a few of you idiots wanted to see Silver go to war with the players union over a minor incident but sane people realize that would have been dumb.

[RRR3]

Both suspended an insignificant number of games. Just something to fill a morning segment of sports center. Whole lot of talk over nothing.

That said…ish has turned weirdly racist. More so than usual even.
Maybe if you guys actually banned people we’d have less racism

[CurryOverLebron]

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers-moritz-wagner-apologizes-for-liking-george-zimmerman-tweet

Moritz Wagner apologizes for liking tweet defending George Zimmerman

Published June 20, 2019

Los Angeles Lakers rookie Mortiz Wagner apologized Wednesday for appearing to like a tweet that defended George Zimmerman over the murder of Trayvon Martin in 2012.

Wagner’s Twitter account showed he had liked a tweet that read: “Zimmerman killed a man who bigger than him after said man attacked him unprovoked and pounded his head into pavement ‘mma style.’ He has to sign ‘racist paraphernalia’ because the Black community he had volunteered his time to help prior to the incident tried to ruin him…”

TMZ Sports took a screenshot of the tweet. The tweet has since-been unliked.

Wagner, who is from Germany and played college basketball at Michigan, later tweeted an apology over his social media activity.

“I’d like to apologize and say I genuinely have no idea how that tweet was liked from my account,” Wagner wrote. “I would never purposely like something so terrible, and I’m sorry to anyone I hurt.”

Wagner has also been linked to trade talks. ESPN reported the Lakers are shopping him, Jemerrio Jones and Isaac Bonga in hopes to clear salary to have more money to sign a superstar in the summer.

[Yeezy]

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers-moritz-wagner-apologizes-for-liking-george-zimmerman-tweet

Moritz Wagner apologizes for liking tweet defending George Zimmerman

Published June 20, 2019

Los Angeles Lakers rookie Mortiz Wagner apologized Wednesday for appearing to like a tweet that defended George Zimmerman over the murder of Trayvon Martin in 2012.

Wagner’s Twitter account showed he had liked a tweet that read: “Zimmerman killed a man who bigger than him after said man attacked him unprovoked and pounded his head into pavement ‘mma style.’ He has to sign ‘racist paraphernalia’ because the Black community he had volunteered his time to help prior to the incident tried to ruin him…”

TMZ Sports took a screenshot of the tweet. The tweet has since-been unliked.

Wagner, who is from Germany and played college basketball at Michigan, later tweeted an apology over his social media activity.

“I’d like to apologize and say I genuinely have no idea how that tweet was liked from my account,” Wagner wrote. “I would never purposely like something so terrible, and I’m sorry to anyone I hurt.”

Wagner has also been linked to trade talks. ESPN reported the Lakers are shopping him, Jemerrio Jones and Isaac Bonga in hopes to clear salary to have more money to sign a superstar in the summer.

little 5'5 george zimmerman asked a 5'10, 17 year old football player if he lived in the neighborhood and the guy attacked george punching and slamming the back of his head on the pavement. he pulled out his gun and shot the attacker. he was found not guilty of any wrong doing


at what point did this situation become anything more than this



https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/121203083453-zimmerman-blood.jpg?q=w_1024,h_1371,x_0,y_0,c_fill

https://static01.nyt.com/newsgraphics/2013/06/28/trayvon-martin/96382373a18ef777593bfda10a9586fd806a0da8/images/zimmerman.jpg

[CurryOverLebron]

Yeezy, are you Kenneth Griffith?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Hamidou Diallo received a one-game suspension for his part.

Cole Anthony, Mo Bamba, Wendell Carter Jr., RJ Hampton, Gary Harris, Kevon Harris, Franz Wagner, Admiral Schofield of the Orlando Magic each received one-game suspensions for leaving their bench.

George Zimmerman is a child killer- so of course ISH would love him.

[nayte]

Watched the footage. Wagner shouldn't have pushed him and for all the rah the reply punch was weak as.shouldnt have done it but I don't see the so called killer shot to his head.
Lot of weak asses if you think so

[Manny98]

I posted a video of a doctor explaining the dangers of shots to the back of the head (especially ones you don't see coming)

And all you can say is " but iz from the hood I saw Dat shit erryday"

Dude shut up. You don't have a point. You lose.
Kblaze acting like dudes hitting each other on the back of the head is something you see on a daily basis is hilarious :oldlol:

I have been in over 20 street fights and been involved in countless more and the times I have seen somebody get hit in the back of their head during a fight was like twice and neither were intentional

[nayte]

Yes and nah. It's never intentional in a fight but it happens all the time .

[Gohan]

That…kinda makes it sound like you’ve never been in a fight.

Fights don’t have rules and only have a few informal agreements among civilized men like not biting or eye gouging or hitting in the balls. In a life or death fight none of those apply either.

A little scuffle among people who kinda know each other that isn’t gonna lead to murder…ok. Nobody is gonna get their eye pulled out or anything like that.

Ive been hit in the back of the head in fights that weren’t even that serious. Nobody is thinking about that in a fight.

Dont waste your time he only watches mma, he thinks thats the only way to fight

[nayte]

I think your right son. Sounds like a lot who watch fights without ever being in one. But I know you helped beat freeza and cell

[plowking]

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BothPeacefulFoal-size_restricted.gif

That is not what hitting someone as hard as you can looks like.


You're off your nut if you don't think that was a hard shot to the back of the head. That was a hard shot. HARD.

He should be suspended the entire NBA season if not more.

[plowking]

That is certainly a better view


That was backfist. The only time you ever see that punch thrown in mma is when they do a complete spin because that is the only way to get any force on it.

Not to mention that his he didn't even hit Mo with his knuckles. He hit him with the side of his hand which is soft.


That was a forearm shiver with a 220lbs professional athlete squatting down and lunging forward.

That was a hard shot. Any which way you paint it.

[Kblaze8855]

It would appear that nobody who matters thinks so. Probably because they have eyes.

That “hard” hit isn’t top 500 in nba history. A bad reaction doesn’t make the force greater than it is.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Tragically unjust, he will only miss three games. I will be launching a protest outside of the NBA offices... well outside of the Garden... well ok at a Foot Locker that sells Celtic jerseys. And I won't actually be there but I will think about it mighty hard.

[plowking]

It would appear that nobody who matters thinks so. Probably because they have eyes.

That “hard” hit isn’t top 500 in nba history. A bad reaction doesn’t make the force greater than it is.

I don't care about the reaction or the after effect. Pretending that isn't a hard shot just leads me to believe most of you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. That wasn't a shove, it was a lead forearm/elbow type hit. It was to the back of the head and a guy not facing him. Just a coward play.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don't care about the reaction or the after effect. Pretending that isn't a hard shot just leads me to believe most of you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. That wasn't a shove, it was a lead forearm/elbow type hit. It was to the back of the head and a guy not facing him. Just a coward play.
So Hayes was facing Wagner when he got hit? Interesting...I mean that's not on the tape at all but whatever.

[Kblaze8855]

It’s only a hard shot absent the context from knowing hard humans are capable of hitting each other. It’s not noteworthy.

And I see we have to have the same Jokic/morris argument every time now. Don’t shove someone and walk away if you don’t want to be hit back from behind. Instigating violence and walking away doesn’t give you a free pass. Keep your hands to yourself if you don’t want a violent response.

Put it simply…don’t **** with people they usually don’t **** with you.

[Wardell Curry]

What Jokic did was dangerous and not ok, but Morris should have hardly been surprised. **** around and find out.

What Hayes did was dangerous and not ok, but Wagner should have hardly been surprised. **** around and find out.

However, I think Hayes took it to a slightly new level as intentional shots to the back of the head are even more dangerous than giving someone whiplash. Either way, it doesn't matter. **** around and find out.

How about this? How about we just don't make non basketball plays? Offensively, defensively, whatever. Just play basketball and don't be clowns. It's not hard.

[Kblaze8855]

It would appear Morris was legitimately ****ed up. And to be completely honest I’m fine with it. And coming back talking about Jokic being a fat sloppy 300 pounds hitting him from behind as if he didn’t start it. The Morris twins have been in enough physical situations to know you don’t hit somebody and turn your back on them like that’s supposed to protect you after you’re the one who started it.

And people were doing that same dumb shit talking about assault charges then(though if you read those topics, you’ll notice a curious reverse in the kind of people calling for charges). Grow the **** up. Don’t put your hands on somebody then complain how they respond.

[tontoz]

That was a forearm shiver with a 220lbs professional athlete squatting down and lunging forward.

That was a hard shot. Any which way you paint it.

The forearm didn't even make contact. it was a backfist. It was the side of his hand that made contact.

Nobody throws a forearm like that.

[Kblaze8855]

This society is ridiculous


https://www.hostpic.org/images/2212301855310327.jpeg

[90sgoat]

He should be suspended the entire NBA season if not more.

He got suspended 3 games because Silver is down with the BLM

[Kblaze8855]

He got suspended 3 games because Silver is down with the BLM


You when Jokic hit Morris from behind giving him whiplash that sent him to the hospital and had him miss 4 months:



Yeah I just watched it on Inside NBA, what Morris did was straight up assault.

I don't get why anyone is in doubt.

That was nothing but an assault.

If you did that in real life, what Jokic did would be considered self defence..





. **** around and find out as they say.

I'm not going to **** around tho and I would suggest american ghetto superstars target some other kind of white ethnicities if they want to get away with it.


Im sure your reversed outrage is a coincidence….

[90sgoat]

Wagner didn't do a Morris play, he did a hip check, which is nothing like that.

Do you remember when Ricky Rubio punched Jeff Teague in the neck?

No, neither do I, because Rubio isn't an insecure little punk like Killian.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZWuzdTozYY

[plowking]

It would appear Morris was legitimately ****ed up. And to be completely honest I’m fine with it. And coming back talking about Jokic being a fat sloppy 300 pounds hitting him from behind as if he didn’t start it. The Morris twins have been in enough physical situations to know you don’t hit somebody and turn your back on them like that’s supposed to protect you after you’re the one who started it.

And people were doing that same dumb shit talking about assault charges then(though if you read those topics, you’ll notice a curious reverse in the kind of people calling for charges). Grow the **** up. Don’t put your hands on somebody then complain how they respond.

Both ****ed up. I'm not talking about the Jokic one.

Regardless - a shot to the back of the head... From a 220lb athlete lunging forward, and you're pretending it isn't a hard hit. Cool - you and your George Foreman level chin go keep eating shots.

[plowking]

So Hayes was facing Wagner when he got hit? Interesting...I mean that's not on the tape at all but whatever.

What are you even arguing? A push, keeping a player away from the ball that resulted in him going into the stands compared to a full on hit to the back of the head...

Are you all there?

[plowking]

The forearm didn't even make contact. it was a backfist. It was the side of his hand that made contact.

Nobody throws a forearm like that.

Umm, yes it did. You can pause it and see his forearm sitting on the back of his head.

What exactly is the point of having these discussions if we aren't even going to acknowledge what is clearly on video?

[ImKobe]

You NEVER hit anyone in the back of the head under no circumstance, at least not during a basketball game.. Hayes is lucky Wagner didn't get seriously hurt on that shot.

[90sgoat]

Rumors are it was Joe Dumars that meted out the punishment?

If so, Silver has completely lost it. The inmates run the asylum.

[tontoz]

Umm, yes it did. You can pause it and see his forearm sitting on the back of his head.

What exactly is the point of having these discussions if we aren't even going to acknowledge what is clearly on video?


You obviously didn't watch the video closely or don't know much about fighting calling it a forearm shiver. :oldlol:

When someone throws a forearm their right shoulder will be moving forward so they can put their body weight into it. That isn't what happened. His right shoulder was way forward to start then he swung his fist from left to right.

it was the side of his fist that actually made contact. Either way there was no power on it. I doubt even Mike Tyson can knock someone out with a standing backfist.

https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/g195/tontoz/Screenshot_20221230-091614.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

Both ****ed up. I'm not talking about the Jokic one.

Regardless - a shot to the back of the head... From a 220lb athlete lunging forward, and you're pretending it isn't a hard hit. Cool - you and your George Foreman level chin go keep eating shots.


Relative to how hard humans can hit…it isn’t. I’m actually reminded of an old argument I was in on here when someone told me that an NBA player punching a regular person would tear his jaw off. And coincidentally, the malice in the Palace happened right after that and I had to ask him why that fat guy who got punched twice by Ron Artest, and then caught the sliding dragon punch from Jermaine O’Neal was on his feet before Jermaine was.

Fans look at these people like mythological warriors. They aren’t. They play basketball. Plenty of people walking around on the street could hit you a lot harder than that glancing blow that happened to go poorly. I could hit you harder than that and you can hit me harder than that. Hayes could hit you harder than that.

You’d likely be fine. You aren’t made of cotton candy.

[tontoz]

Relative to how hard humans can hit…it isn’t. I’m actually reminded of an old argument I was in on here when someone told me that an NBA player punching a regular person would tear his jaw off. And coincidentally, the malice in the Palace happened right after that and I had to ask him why that fat guy who got punched twice by Ron Artest, and then caught the sliding dragon punch from Jermaine O’Neal was on his feet before Jermaine was.

Fans look at these people like mythological warriors. They aren’t. They play basketball. Plenty of people walking around on the street could hit you a lot harder than that glancing blow that happened to go poorly. I could hit you harder than that and you can hit me harder than that. Hayes could hit you harder than that.

You’d likely be fine. You aren’t made of cotton candy.


I happened to be watching the Malice at the Palace live with a friend of mine. When they showed the JO punch we started laughing. That was classic.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What are you even arguing? A push, keeping a player away from the ball that resulted in him going into the stands compared to a full on hit to the back of the head...

Are you all there?

The selective freak out continues. I guess you're another one that would let a man shove you to the ground and do nothing about it, right?

[PistonsFan#21]

You're off your nut if you don't think that was a hard shot to the back of the head. That was a hard shot. HARD.

He should be suspended the entire NBA season if not more.

I hope this was sarcasm :lol

[bdonovan]

To me, this is a simple matter. Once someone hits you, your actions thereafter are a form of self-defense.

Wagner clearly instigated this conflict with his hip check and rightly got a Flagrant 2 and thrown out of the game. Once hit in such a manner, Hayes actions are all self-defense in response to this aggressive assault.

This fight is on Wagner; there was no fight before he slammed Hayes to the ground.

In the past the NBA has been biased in favor of white players and if Hayes' suspension is disproportionate to Wagner's, it will be more of the same. (Looks like Wagner got 2 days and Hayes got 3 days - not unreasonable though I'd prefer it the other way around (https://clutchpoints.com/killian-hayes-moe-wagner-among-11-players-suspended-by-nba-for-viral-altercation))

In general, the ruling ought to send a message to the initiator of the conflict and not the victim retaliating in self-defense. The Wagner hit was clearly excessive, physical aggression and not a basketball play.

I heard so much about Hayes "punch", I had to watch the video. You can see he has no windup; you put force behind a punch by transferring your weight - there was none of that. (I have boxed for several years although I didn't have to, to tell you that). It was more or less a swat with little body weight behind it.

In a dream world, certain fans would like players of their own race to be able to instigate conflict, get away with it, and any retaliation from other-race players face some kind of judgment. Fortunately not even the NBA is this out-to-lunch.





This b*tch punched Mo Wagner with a closed fist full force in the back of the neck. KO'ed him and could have killed him.

This goon needs to go to prison and never play again.

Or do we need to fly in the Jokic brothers again?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbApsLbRbAg

[tontoz]

I think the league handled it ok. They were going to get criticized no matter what. 2 games for Mo and 3 games for Killian seems fine.

[90sgoat]

To me, this is a simple matter. Once someone hits you, your actions thereafter are a form of self-defense.

No law would agree with you.

This isn't a bar fight either, it's a basketball game.

[PistonsFan#21]

This b*tch punched Mo Wagner with a closed fist full force in the back of the neck. KO'ed him and could have killed him.

This goon needs to go to prison and never play again.

Or do we need to fly in the Jokic brothers again?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbApsLbRbAg

Looking at the slowmo replay starting at the 1:10 mark there was barely any force behind that shove...it's not even a punch. I've seen guys jump, fall and bang their head on the floor 10x harder than that and they just walk it off.

[ArbitraryWater]

How was there no suspension for this?!

[ArbitraryWater]

I think the league handled it ok. They were going to get criticized no matter what. 2 games for Mo and 3 games for Killian seems fine.

bruh wtf did Mo get suspended for? Hahahahaha

[ArbitraryWater]

To me, this is a simple matter. Once someone hits you, your actions thereafter are a form of self-defense.

Wagner clearly instigated this conflict with his hip check and rightly got a Flagrant 2 and thrown out of the game. Once hit in such a manner, Hayes actions are all self-defense in response to this aggressive assault.

This fight is on Wagner; there was no fight before he slammed Hayes to the ground.


Its scary that you arent a troll

[Real Men Wear Green]

How was there no suspension for this?!

There was a suspension. Sign of the times that you are still fixated on this guy getting hit back after instigating. There's no fixing what's wrong with some of you.

[90sgoat]

How was there no suspension for this?!

Silver is BLM

[tontoz]

bruh wtf did Mo get suspended for? Hahahahaha

:facepalm


For sending Hayes flying into the bench. Duh

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm


For sending Hayes flying into the bench. Duh

Barely.

Worth a game maybe.

There was no way that „shove“ was dangerous.

[ArbitraryWater]

Silver is BLM

The whole association is