John Stockton claims a thousand athletes might have died from vaccine

[Lebron23]

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John Stockton appeared on Sideline Sanity podcast where he claimed that the number of athletes that have died from COVID vaccine he said back in January was too small at the time. He now says a thousand professional athletes might have died because of it.

Almost a year ago, NBA Hall of Famer John Stockton made headlines by claiming that around 150 athletes had died from the COVID-19 vaccine.


The Utah Jazz legend now went on Michele Tafoya’s podcast Sideline Sanity where he explained his views both at that time and now.

"I got it from a lot of places, otherwise I would have never had the confidence to share it. That's the beauty of it," Stockton said about the stat he mentioned in his interview. "I have quite a system that I go through before I open my mouth, especially with statistics, and I knew that at that time 150 was dramatically low. I thought it was in the area of 300."

"When I went and spoke at the Spokesman-Review, we had a nice interview and they asked that, and whatever factchecker.org or whatever dot com came out and said 'that's baloney', I went back and looked again," he told.

After sharing his thoughts about the interview from the past, he now explained his claims in greater detail.

"I have names, pictures, faces, where they played, I had over 300 at that time, so I felt pretty secure with my little 150," Stockton said. "People had to come out and argue that, and I had the proof in my hands, a piece of paper with their names."

"It's way more than that now. I think it's in the thousands now but don't quote me on that one," the NBA legend told. "I don't say a thousand but it might be, it's a big number."

When Stockton first claimed it, the statement was quickly determined to be false.

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[Lebron23]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1604993818696118274 John looks like he is turning into a lunatic. Look at his eyes.

[MrFonzworth]

I think it's in the thousands now but don't quote me on that one,"
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[Yeezy]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1604993818696118274 John looks like he is turning into a lunatic. Look at his eyes.

hey OP. have any of your cousins been tested for sexually transmitted diseases before you slept with them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq44UADnndM


and did they have hairy legs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXy10rgXOFQ

[warriorfan]

john stockton is a foot taller than op

[90sgoat]

hey OP. have any of your cousins been tested for sexually transmitted diseases before you slept with them


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq44UADnndM


and did they have hairy legs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXy10rgXOFQ

:roll:

Comedy gold.

She kinda gives of ladyboy vibes, but probably is just a hairy lady with stds.

[90sgoat]

I believe that 1000 athletes have died.

Unfortunately.

[Full Court]

OP doesn't understand anything about basketball or current issues. He really is a low IQ dingus.

[Da_Realist]

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https://basketnews.com/news-183092-john-stockton-claims-a-thousand-athletes-might-have-died-from-vaccine.html

Does it upset you to find out someone doesn't support the official narrative?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Does it upset you to find out someone doesn't support the official narrative?
Rejecting the vaccine or disagreeing with the way covid has been dealt with are possible rational conclusions. Stockton crosses the line by insisting that1000 athletes have died from the vaccine while not presenting any evidence. If he could really prove that he absolutely should but if he (almost definitely) is just making that up then he is being irresponsible and/or crazy.

[coin24]

The amazing vaccine that doesn’t stop transmission or do anything for people under 70 except give side effects?
Wow shocking..

Anyone that gave this rubbish to their kids should be ashamed of themselves

[kabacho]

Sorry Magic, this just made Jonny the #1 PG of all time.

[warriorfan]

Rejecting the vaccine or disagreeing with the way covid has been dealt with are possible rational conclusions. Stockton crosses the line by insisting that1000 athletes have died from the vaccine while not presenting any evidence. If he could really prove that he absolutely should but if he (almost definitely) is just making that up then he is being irresponsible and/or crazy.

this is a fat man coping right here :lol

[Da_Realist]

Rejecting the vaccine or disagreeing with the way covid has been dealt with are possible rational conclusions. Stockton crosses the line by insisting that1000 athletes have died from the vaccine while not presenting any evidence. If he could really prove that he absolutely should but if he (almost definitely) is just making that up then he is being irresponsible and/or crazy.

The problem is he doesn't think the "right thing". So unless he can prove it without a shadow of a doubt then he needs to be silenced. And even if he does prove it, no one would accept it because it goes against the "right thing", the "accepted science", the official narrative. So a person that has always seemed to be a decent guy becomes irresponsible, crazy and even evil overnight because he has the nerve to not toe the company line. Instead of these drug companies investigating to make sure the vaccine is in no way dangerous, antivaxxers like John Stockton need to present all the evidence that it is. Especially considering Pfizer and the others did not properly test before having their product mandated. You're a decent human being if you agree with the government and media. You're an antivaxxer if you don't. It's a way to dehumanize a person so their views aren't taken seriously.

Oh the same thing happens with elections. Unless you believe all elections are perfect, you are an election denier, an evil person that needs to be silenced or removed from society. Instead of election councils making sure elections truly represent the voice of the people, it's up to the "deniers" to prove without a shadow of a doubt that they don't...without access to all the ballots and no subpoena power. (Not that subpoena power would work all that well because people can perjure themselves all day long and face no consequences). And even if they prove malfeasance or at least there was unlawful activity, they have to prove intent which is an impossible bar without a confession. So the election case is dropped or rejected, the courts sanction the "deniers" for having the nerve to object, the media slanders them and everyone pretends the election was the model of perfection.

It's all an effort to enforce conformity of thought and punish those that reject it. What's even more crazy is the ones who blindly conform actually believe they are the independent thinkers.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Nowhere in there are you addressing the basic point that he says a thousand athletes died yet we haven't heard even one name. If he's going to make a serious accusation like that he should be able to back it up with something.

[Da_Realist]

Nowhere in there are you addressing the basic point that he says a thousand athletes died yet we haven't heard even one name. If he's going to make a serious accusation like that he should be able to back it up with something.

True but maybe he can. He's not going to come to ISH to do it. Maybe he offered. Maybe the people interviewing him aren't interested. Maybe someone is and it hasn't filtered down to ISH yet. I don't think it's fair to label him irresponsible or crazy just because you haven't seen the evidence or whatever makes him believe this is true. He's been in the spotlight for 40 years and no one has ever called him irresponsible or crazy. Why now?

[Lebron23]

OP doesn't understand anything about basketball or current issues. He really is a low IQ dingus.

I hope you and Warriorfan just drug over dose this year. Just a waste of oxygen. Stockton is a moron anyway. Never liked him as a player dude averaged 9 ppg in the NBA Finals.

[Lebron23]

True but maybe he can. He's not going to come to ISH to do it. Maybe he offered. Maybe the people interviewing him aren't interested. Maybe someone is and it hasn't filtered down to ISH yet. I don't think it's fair to label him irresponsible or crazy just because you haven't seen the evidence or whatever makes him believe this is true. He's been in the spotlight for 40 years and no one has ever called him irresponsible or crazy. Why now?

He looks crazy. and the hosts was kinda laughing at him.

[Real Men Wear Green]

True but maybe he can. He's not going to come to ISH to do it. Maybe he offered. Maybe the people interviewing him aren't interested. Maybe someone is and it hasn't filtered down to ISH yet. I don't think it's fair to label him irresponsible or crazy just because you haven't seen the evidence or whatever makes him believe this is true. He's been in the spotlight for 40 years and no one has ever called him irresponsible or crazy. Why now?

You really think he would be completely ignored if he presented evidence? That every possible method would be part of a uniform conspiracy to suppress? The news media, social media, random fans that are him in public, etc? This simply isn't credible. If his claim that 1000 athletes died can get reported them there is someone out there that would gladly give him a venue to present his proof of it existed. Fact of the matter is that it doesn't. Can you name even 5 athletes that died taking the vaccine?

And if you can't? More importantly, if he can't? Then putting out his unproven claims is irresponsible and crazy.

The factual argument against the vaccine is that we don't know the long term effects. Such knowledge is impossible to have it has barely existed for a year or two. And there are real documented instances of people having bad reactions to it, as bad as some people have had that caught the disease. There is a real argument to be made here.

But what we don't need is a famous respected person spreading bs. Misinformation is not good for anyone. We know that covid was a public Helen crisis greater than anything anyone on earth has ever lived through. I am not sure that closing the world economy down was the best way to handle it and there are no doubt plenty of things that can be debated. But if you are antivax you don't need this guy cutting 1000 dead athletes that don't exist. It just makes it more likely for any real point you might have to make gets ignored.

[Lebron23]

I trust a doctor and a scientist more than a retired NBA player. Sorry John. It looks like you have CTE.

[Da_Realist]

You really think he would be completely ignored if he presented evidence? That every possible method would be part of a uniform conspiracy to suppress? The news media, social media, random fans that are him in public, etc? This simply isn't credible. If his claim that 1000 athletes died can get reported them there is someone out there that would gladly give him a venue to present his proof of it existed. Fact of the matter is that it doesn't. Can you name even 5 athletes that died taking the vaccine?

And if you can't? More importantly, if he can't? Then putting out his unproven claims is irresponsible and crazy.

The factual argument against the vaccine is that we don't know the long term effects. Such knowledge is impossible to have it has barely existed for a year or two. And there are real documented instances of people having bad reactions to it, as bad as some people have had that caught the disease. There is a real argument to be made here.

But what we don't need is a famous respected person spreading bs. Misinformation is not good for anyone. We know that covid was a public Helen crisis greater than anything anyone on earth has ever lived through. I am not sure that closing the world economy down was the best way to handle it and there are no doubt plenty of things that can be debated. But if you are antivax you don't need this guy cutting 1000 dead athletes that don't exist. It just makes it more likely for any real point you might have to make gets ignored.

There are plenty of athletes that have died suspiciously. Many see a link between these sudden deaths of otherwise healthy people to their taking the vaccine. There has been plenty of credible doctors that have made the same assertions with evidence of their findings that don't make it to mainstream media. The creator of MRNA vaccines himself has questioned the effects of this vaccine. The problem is the minute someone says something that goes against the narrative, even if they are credible doctors or they are embalmers saying they are seeing strange spongey clots in the blood of the dead they are quickly labeled crazy or irresponsible. Without investigation. Because many do not want to see the evidence and they do not want to hear these accounts. Highly credentialed doctors have lost their jobs and have been stripped of honors because they speak out.

So this doesn't just rest on some "famous athlete" talking out the side of his mouth. He is experiencing what others have experienced. The reaction is swift. He is labeled irresponsible and crazy despite not having a history of being so. That is the default because the assumption is the government, medical/pharmaceutical establishment and the media are altruistic, truthful and never compromised. Anything that goes against what they say is to be labeled misinformation until they say it isn't. No deep dive or further investigation is needed. Just like what you did. John is crazy and irresponsible when you don't know anything outside what you read.

[bladefd]

There are plenty of athletes that have died suspiciously. Many see a link between these sudden deaths of otherwise healthy people to their taking the vaccine. There has been plenty of credible doctors that have made the same assertions with evidence of their findings that don't make it to mainstream media. The creator of MRNA vaccines himself has questioned the effects of this vaccine. The problem is the minute someone says something that goes against the narrative, even if they are credible doctors or they are embalmers saying they are seeing strange spongey clots in the blood of the dead they are quickly labeled crazy or irresponsible. Without investigation. Because many do not want to see the evidence and they do not want to hear these accounts. Highly credentialed doctors have lost their jobs and have been stripped of honors because they speak out.

So this doesn't just rest on some "famous athlete" talking out the side of his mouth. He is experiencing what others have experienced. The reaction is swift. He is labeled irresponsible and crazy despite not having a history of being so. That is the default because the assumption is the government, medical/pharmaceutical establishment and the media are altruistic, truthful and never compromised. Anything that goes against what they say is to be labeled misinformation until they say it isn't. No deep dive or further investigation is needed. Just like what you did. John is crazy and irresponsible when you don't know anything outside what you read.

Names?

[Real Men Wear Green]

Names?

Maybe they're claiming Pele.

[Da_Realist]

Names?

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/409269/data-suggests-sudden-adult-death-syndrome-due-to-vaccines/
https://robynopenshaw.substack.com/p/sads-sudden-adult-death-syndrome
https://palexander.substack.com/p/so-you-say-dr-alexander-you-keep
https://rumble.com/vti1yc-embalmer-discovers-veins-and-arteries-filled-with-never-before-seen-rubbery.html
https://rumble.com/vxkz24-dr.-ryan-cole-new-evidence-of-alarming-blood-clots-in-vaccinated-dead-peopl.html

This was literally just a quick search of some of the articles I saved. I could post more but I doubt you'd even read this to be honest. Plus more than likely your mind is made up if you haven't heard a word about any of this by now.

[warriorfan]

Da Realist is a real one

[Real Men Wear Green]

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/409269/data-suggests-sudden-adult-death-syndrome-due-to-vaccines/
https://robynopenshaw.substack.com/p/sads-sudden-adult-death-syndrome
https://palexander.substack.com/p/so-you-say-dr-alexander-you-keep
https://rumble.com/vti1yc-embalmer-discovers-veins-and-arteries-filled-with-never-before-seen-rubbery.html
https://rumble.com/vxkz24-dr.-ryan-cole-new-evidence-of-alarming-blood-clots-in-vaccinated-dead-peopl.html

This was literally just a quick search of some of the articles I saved. I could post more but I doubt you'd even read this to be honest. Plus more than likely your mind is made up if you haven't heard a word about any of this by now.

So you do realize that no names are named here right? The claim being discussed is Stockton saying all of these athletes have been killed by the vaccine. The closest your part comes to discussing that is this"Sudden Adult Death Syndrome" that the writers are blaming on the vaccine.

[Da_Realist]

So you do realize that no names are named here right? The claim being discussed is Stockton saying all of these athletes have been killed by the vaccine. The closest your part comes to discussing that is this"Sudden Adult Death Syndrome" that the writers are blaming on the vaccine.

https://www.westernjournal.com/mississippi-state-university-football-player-dies-suddenly-18-just-two-days-birthday/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal

https://www.westernjournal.com/high-school-athlete-dies-suddenly-16-remembered-everlasting-smile/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal

https://www.westernjournal.com/coroner-orders-investigation-cardiac-death-13-year-old-normal-heart/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=ct-breaking&utm_content=western-journal

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/18-year-old-varsity-high-school-cheerleader-dies-suddenly-due-blood-clot/

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/05/how_the_covid_vaccines_kill.html

https://amgreatness.com/2022/05/31/the-story-of-covid-cries-out-for-common-sense/

Just a small sample. I didn't save every article I read like this. I never talked to the parents so I don't know what happened but if there's even a chance... Had I lost a child after vaccinating them I'd want an in-depth investigation not ridicule and slander. Is all this coincidence? If there is even a remote chance this is linked to the vaccine, it needs to be discussed and investigated not dismissed and silenced.

[RRR3]

Da Realshit linking news from far right websites lol. What a ****ing moron

[bison]

It is weird that there’s been a spike of young, physically fit athletes experiencing ‘sudden death syndrome’ just at the time the vaccines were being deployed. Obviously something to be investigated but the plandemic made lots of money and made careers for many ppl so I don’t expect anything to be done.

[bladefd]

https://www.westernjournal.com/mississippi-state-university-football-player-dies-suddenly-18-just-two-days-birthday/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal

https://www.westernjournal.com/high-school-athlete-dies-suddenly-16-remembered-everlasting-smile/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=western-journal

https://www.westernjournal.com/coroner-orders-investigation-cardiac-death-13-year-old-normal-heart/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=WJBreaking&utm_campaign=ct-breaking&utm_content=western-journal

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/10/18-year-old-varsity-high-school-cheerleader-dies-suddenly-due-blood-clot/

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/05/how_the_covid_vaccines_kill.html

https://amgreatness.com/2022/05/31/the-story-of-covid-cries-out-for-common-sense/

Just a small sample. I didn't save every article I read like this. I never talked to the parents so I don't know what happened but if there's even a chance... Had I lost a child after vaccinating them I'd want an in-depth investigation not ridicule and slander. Is all this coincidence? If there is even a remote chance this is linked to the vaccine, it needs to be discussed and investigated not dismissed and silenced.

So now we contribute the death of any youngster to COVID vaccine from here to next 75yrs or longer? There were plenty of youngster deaths before the vaccine, during the vaccine phase, and will until humanity exists. There will be many more viruses and many more vaccines, assuming humanity doesn't go extinct in the near future.

[kawhileonard2]

Imagine if no vaccine where we would be at now? Still in quarantine and more than 100 million dead.

[BigKobeFan]

OP is a virgin.

[John8204]

Well Stockton definitely engaged in hyperbole but if you are a cardio guy I can see not trusting or putting that stuff in your body.

[bison]

Imagine if no vaccine where we would be at now? Still in quarantine and more than 100 million dead.

It’s sad that people actually believe this.

[PeroAntic]

https://lifestyle.inquirer.net/409269/data-suggests-sudden-adult-death-syndrome-due-to-vaccines/
https://robynopenshaw.substack.com/p/sads-sudden-adult-death-syndrome
https://palexander.substack.com/p/so-you-say-dr-alexander-you-keep
https://rumble.com/vti1yc-embalmer-discovers-veins-and-arteries-filled-with-never-before-seen-rubbery.html
https://rumble.com/vxkz24-dr.-ryan-cole-new-evidence-of-alarming-blood-clots-in-vaccinated-dead-peopl.html

This was literally just a quick search of some of the articles I saved. I could post more but I doubt you'd even read this to be honest. Plus more than likely your mind is made up if you haven't heard a word about any of this by now.

Those seem like extremely credible sources. so many free thinkers itt doing their own research. you guys are all so special and unique for not buying the "media and government" narrative :oldlol:

Did anyone from the NBA die?

[Da_Realist]

Imagine if no vaccine where we would be at now? Still in quarantine and more than 100 million dead.

Infection Fatality Rate of COVID-19 Was 0.0003 Percent At 0–19 Years: Study

https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/infection-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-was-0-0003-percent-at-0-19-years-study_4954866.html

[PistonsFan#21]

Those seem like extremely credible sources. so many free thinkers itt doing their own research. you guys are all so special and unique for not buying the "media and government" narrative :oldlol:

Did anyone from the NBA die?

Goodwin admitted that the effects “all happened in the span of a month” of getting vaccinated.

“I was fine up until then, up until I took the vaccine, I was fine. So people trying to tell you it’s not the vaccine, how do you know? You don’t know. Yes, the vaccine ended my season, one thousand percent.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FB8n_I9XoAQW5Qo?format=jpg&name=large

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's a fact that there are people that have reacted badly to the vaccine. To get personal my own mother had a bad reaction. But Stockton said that 1000 athletes died. That's completely different level from getting sick.

[Yeezy]

Imagine if no vaccine where we would be at now? Still in quarantine and more than 100 million dead.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFO7zNdFd00&ab_channel=MemeHole

[Yeezy]

It's a fact that there are people that have reacted badly to the vaccine. To get personal my own mother had a bad reaction. But Stockton said that 1000 athletes died. That's completely different level from getting sick.

do you know how many athletes there are

there isn't just the nba/nhl/nfl/mlb/fifa... theres other pro leagues. tons of amateur leagues. tons of house leagues. semi competitive leagues. school leagues... the vaccines give serious heart problems to 1 in 500 people according to germany research and 1 in 800 people according to the cdc...

theres 10's of millions of athletes around the world. to say 1000 of them died isn't a long shot. its a low estimate

[Real Men Wear Green]

do you know how many athletes there are

there isn't just the nba/nhl/nfl/mlb/fifa... theres other pro leagues. tons of amateur leagues. tons of house leagues. semi competitive leagues. school leagues... the vaccines give serious heart problems to 1 in 500 people according to germany research and 1 in 800 people according to the cdc...

theres 10's of millions of athletes around the world. to say 1000 of them died isn't a long shot. its a low estimate

At what point will people start replying to me with names and real facts? Not just your opinion or some conjecture you think is logical. 1000 athletes died? Then name them. I am assuming that if they are real people then this would have been documented. This isn't even me arguing this is a request for evidence. You are not valid sources just based on your own word.

[Yeezy]

At what point will people start replying to me with names and real facts? Not just your opinion or some conjecture you think is logical. 1000 athletes died? Then name them. I am assuming that if they are real people then this would have been documented. This isn't even me arguing this is a request for evidence. You are not valid sources just based on your own word.

google makes it very difficult to find these things. when you search anything the first 5000 articles are ones saying "no the vaccines never killed anyone. trust the science"

all we have to go by is clinical research from test subjects and the rate of adverse effects. i've seen compilation videos of hundreds of soccer players collapsing on the field and they all looked relatively new. only problem is those videos go missing after a few days

if you watch the documentary "died suddenly" it shows a nice collection of dozens of people fainting/dropping dead in public over the past year

but apparently its all fake. must be cgi lol


to find all of these people you would need every local town news paper from around the world. and even then you would need an autopsy. and then people would claim its all fake too. its a no win situation in the world we live in with the amount of censorship paid for by big pharma


theres plenty of videos and links in my off court thread. watch some videos by Dr. John Campbell



edit*


heres a video from last year. i'd imagine theres been a ton more since


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi4mYG_2NhQ

[Real Men Wear Green]

google makes it very difficult to find these things. You should just be glad they let you use the internet in the asylum.

[Yeezy]

You should just be glad they let you use the internet in the asylum.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYR1wz-Cf_M

Swine flu vaccine (1976)

1 serious event per 100,000 vaccinees

Vaccine withdrawn

Rotavirus vaccine Rotashield, (1999)

1 to 2 serious events per 10,000 vaccinees

Vaccine withdrawn

Covid mRNA vaccines

1 serious event per 800 vaccinees

Vaccine officially promoted

Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36055877/

Free full text available

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9428332/

Why We Question the Safety Profile of mRNA COVID-19 Vaccines

(Robert M Kaplan and Sander Greenland)

https://sensiblemed.substack.com/p/why-we-question-the-safety-of-covid

Using publicly available data from Pfizer and Moderna studies,

we found one serious adverse event for each 800 vaccinees.

That translates to about 1,250 serious events for each million vaccine recipients.

US, Spain, Australia

Study to evaluate serious adverse events of special interest observed in mRNA COVID-19 vaccine trials.

Secondary analysis of serious adverse events reported in the placebo-controlled, phase III randomized clinical trials,

of Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines

Results

Pfizer and Moderna mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest

Pfizer

10.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baselines of 17.6

Moderna

15.1 per 10,000 vaccinated over placebo baseline of 42.2

Combined, the mRNA vaccines

Associated with an excess risk of serious adverse events of special interest of 12.5 per 10,000 vaccinated

Pfizer trial

Pfizer vaccine group

52 serious AESI (27.7 per 10,000) were reported

Pfizer placebo group

33 serious AESI (17.6 per 10,000) were reported

36 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group

Risk difference 18.0 per 10,000 vaccinated

Moderna trial

Moderna trial, vaccine group

87 serious AESI (57.3 per 10,000) were reported

Moderna trial, placebo group

64 serious AESI (42.2 per 10,000) were reported

6 % higher risk of serious adverse events in the vaccine group

Risk difference 7.1 per 10,000 vaccinated

Discussion

The excess risk of serious adverse events found in our study points to the need for formal harm-benefit analyses,

particularly those that are stratified according to risk of serious COVID-19 outcomes.

These analyses will require public release of participant level datasets.

Full transparency of the COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial data is needed,

to properly evaluate these questions.

Unfortunately, as we approach 2 years after release of COVID-19 vaccines,

participant level data remain inaccessible.

Level of adverse reactions in the past

The 1976 swine flu vaccine

Small increased risk of Guillain-Barré Syndrome

The increased risk was approximately 1 additional case of GBS for every 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine.

When over 40 million people were vaccinated against swine flu,

federal health officials decided that the possibility of an association of GBS with the vaccine, however small,

necessitated stopping immunization until the issue could be explored.

The Institute of Medicine (2003)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK221528/

Concluded that people who received the 1976 swine influenza vaccine had an increased risk for developing GBS.

Exact reason for this association remains unknown.

Rotavirus vaccine Rotashield, (1999)

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/rotavirus/vac-rotashield-historical.htm

The U.S. Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP)

October 22, 1999 to no longer recommend use of the RotaShield® vaccine for infants,

because of an association between the vaccine and intussusception.

The results of the investigations showed that RotaShield® vaccine caused intussusception in some healthy infants

Within 2 weeks

Intussusception increased 20 to 30 times over the expected risk

(Less after the second and third dose)

CDC estimated that one or two additional cases of intussusception would be caused among each 10,000 infants vaccinated with RotaShield® vaccine.

[PeroAntic]

Goodwin admitted that the effects “all happened in the span of a month” of getting vaccinated.

“I was fine up until then, up until I took the vaccine, I was fine. So people trying to tell you it’s not the vaccine, how do you know? You don’t know. Yes, the vaccine ended my season, one thousand percent.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FB8n_I9XoAQW5Qo?format=jpg&name=large
I guess if I was a free and independent thinker like you guys I also wouldn't be able to make a distinction between back pain and death.

Anyway there are about 500+ players in the NBA. If this vaccine is so deadly someone must have surely died. Stockton, you still there?

[Rolando]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYR1wz-Cf_M




I was just about to share the same video. Excellent.

People are justifiably upset with the number of serious reactions to the new vaccines. There is a historical basis for this. Unfortunately, the current mainstream culture is very stifling. Raising even the most basic questions about the vaccine sets off alarm bells and people are quick to criticize and ostracize.

[meat]

Imagine if no vaccine where we would be at now? Still in quarantine and more than 100 million dead.

Who the F was in quarantine? I know I wasn't. I'm glad it kept the douchebags at home though. Traffic was light.

[PeroAntic]

I was just about to share the same video. Excellent.

People are justifiably upset with the number of serious reactions to the new vaccines. There is a historical basis for this. Unfortunately, the current mainstream culture is very stifling. Raising even the most basic questions about the vaccine sets off alarm bells and people are quick to criticize and ostracize.

So criticizing the vaccine is good, but criticizing the critics of vaccines is a bad? Antivaxers are such whiners.

[Jasper]

https://basketnews.com/image-371284-any818x650.jpg



https://basketnews.com/news-183092-john-stockton-claims-a-thousand-athletes-might-have-died-from-vaccine.html

He could be right if in the last 3 decades COVD was around.:oldlol::roll::oldlol:

[Axe]

Imagine if no vaccine where we would be at now? Still in quarantine and more than 100 million dead.
You still have horse dewormers inserted into your body.

[John8204]

“I now have a list of hundreds of athletes around the world that are vaccinated that have dropped dead on the field,” said Stockton.

I mean what a moran what you mean to tell me that if I click on MNF right now I'm going to see a guy drop dead....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G9mziXL9w

https://y.yarn.co/9c83721b-8e2a-46e2-852b-d20a1bb3209a_text.gif

[kabacho]

1000 and 1

[PistonsFan#21]

I guess if I was a free and independent thinker like you guys I also wouldn't be able to make a distinction between back pain and death.

Anyway there are about 500+ players in the NBA. If this vaccine is so deadly someone must have surely died. Stockton, you still there?

If you were a free independent thinker you could do a simple google search and find out that blood clots can clog coronary arteries and lead to heart attack. He got lucky to get tested in time before the blood clots got to progress even further.

[PistonsFan#21]

So criticizing the vaccine is good, but criticizing the critics of vaccines is a bad? Antivaxers are such whiners.

Former Jaguars player Uche Nwaneri dies suddenly in Indiana after possible heart attack, 38 years old. January 2nd 2023
https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/2023/01/02/former-jaguars-player-uche-nwaneri-dies-suddenly-in-indiana-after-possible-heart-attack-report/

NFL star Damar Hamlin in critical condition after cardiac arrest, 24 years old. January 3rd 2023.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/damar-hamlin-collapse-bills-bengals-game-intl-hnk/index.html

[Real Men Wear Green]

So now every time an athlete has a medical problem it's the vaccine? Chris Bush blood clots, was that the vaccine? This isn't science.

[PistonsFan#21]

So now every time an athlete has a medical problem it's the vaccine? Chris Bush blood clots, was that the vaccine? This isn't science.

Not everytime obviously but are we gonna act like they are all unrelated events and just coincidences? Here's another one: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/kyle-warner-vaccine-injuries-pfizer-covid-shot/


Kyle Warner is 29 years old and was at the peak of his career as a professional mountain bike racer when, in June, he got his second dose of PfizerÂ’s COVID-19 shot. He suffered a reaction so severe that, as of October, he was still spending days in bed, easily overwhelmed by too much mental or physical exertion.

About two weeks after the shot, Warner experienced extremely elevated heart rates; an ER doctor refused to believe it was an adverse reaction to the jab and instead blamed it on a “psychotic episode.”

Now how hard is it to believe that some athletes just never got tested and then ended up dying due to heart complications? Even the ER doctors refused to directly call out the cause of the problem when it's right in their face.


https://youtu.be/H7inaTiDKaU

[Da_Realist]

Not everytime obviously but are we gonna act like they are all unrelated events and just coincidences? Here's another one: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/kyle-warner-vaccine-injuries-pfizer-covid-shot/



Now how hard is it to believe that some athletes just never got tested and then ended up dying due to heart complications? Even the ER doctors refused to directly call out the cause of the problem when it's right in their face.


https://youtu.be/H7inaTiDKaU

“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.” -- Ayn Rand

[Real Men Wear Green]

Not everytime obviously but are we gonna act like they are all unrelated events and just coincidences? Here's another one: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/kyle-warner-vaccine-injuries-pfizer-covid-shot/



Now how hard is it to believe that some athletes just never got tested and then ended up dying due to heart complications? Even the ER doctors refused to directly call out the cause of the problem when it's right in their face.


https://youtu.be/H7inaTiDKaU

It's something that you have chosen to believe but hasn't been proven at all. Stockton talked about 1000 dead athletes. You are trying to back that statement up with an example of someone that got sick but is still alive. No one is arguing that the vaccine hasn't made some people sick. The focus is "dead athletes." Not your conjecture or the conclusion you find reasonable. Cite examples. Stockton knows 1000 right? Ok name 5.

[PeroAntic]

Not everytime obviously but are we gonna act like they are all unrelated events and just coincidences? Here's another one: https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/kyle-warner-vaccine-injuries-pfizer-covid-shot/



Now how hard is it to believe that some athletes just never got tested and then ended up dying due to heart complications? Even the ER doctors refused to directly call out the cause of the problem when it's right in their face.


https://youtu.be/H7inaTiDKaU

You have no insight in quantitative data aka percentages, frequencies etc, so all this is just anecdotal evidence supporting your confirmation bias. Sportsmen have died on the pitch from heart attacks and similar problems for decades. There is no pattern here, but sure big brother is covering it up

[PistonsFan#21]

It's something that you have chosen to believe but hasn't been proven at all. Stockton talked about 1000 dead athletes. You are trying to back that statement up with an example of someone that got sick but is still alive. No one is arguing that the vaccine hasn't made some people sick. The focus is "dead athletes." Not your conjecture or the conclusion you find reasonable. Cite examples. Stockton knows 1000 right? Ok name 5.

Ok so if i name you young athletes that dropped dead of cardiac arrest you will say: "well it happens, doesn't mean it's the vaccine." Then i present you evidence of young healthy athletes suffering heart problems but fortunately not dying and you say: "Well it just made them sick, they are not even dead." If i can find evidence of regular people dying of vaccines how hard is it to believe it could happen to athletes too? Especially if you take into consideration that it can cause inflammation of the heart which is a huge risk factor for high intensity athletes.

Former Detroit news anchor dies one day after receiving COVID-19 vaccine
https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/former-news-anchor-dead-one-day-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccine/


Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine...Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796

[PeroAntic]

Antivaxers are making it out as if people are dropping like flies. Of course there are side effects to the vaccine, nobody ever said otherwise. And of course there will even be the occasional death, but this is statistically insignificant.

[ArbitraryWater]

Antivaxers are making it out as if people are dropping like flies. Of course there are side effects to the vaccine, nobody ever said otherwise. And of course there will even be the occasional death, but this is statistically insignificant.

:roll:


The absolute cognitive dissonance



Unlike with COVID, people are actually dropping like flies due to the vaccine.

[PeroAntic]

:roll:


The absolute cognitive dissonance



Unlike with COVID, people are actually dropping like flies due to the vaccine.

of course they are :roll: but the lizard people are covering it up :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

of course they are :roll: but the lizard people are covering it up :roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G9mziXL9w

what was it? the play?

Keep laughing in ignorance

[90sgoat]

what was it? the play?

Keep laughing in ignorance

Seems likely the hit to the chest set off something with the heart rythm.

However, if you already have a mild case of myocarditis, that would probably make it more susceptible.

The thing is, this is the second major athlete dropping "dead" on the field in 2 years on the biggest stages. That just isn't normal.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Ok so if i name you young athletes that dropped dead of cardiac arrest you will say: "well it happens, doesn't mean it's the vaccine." Then i present you evidence of young healthy athletes suffering heart problems but fortunately not dying and you say: "Well it just made them sick, they are not even dead." If i can find evidence of regular people dying of vaccines how hard is it to believe it could happen to athletes too? Especially if you take into consideration that it can cause inflammation of the heart which is a huge risk factor for high intensity athletes.

Former Detroit news anchor dies one day after receiving COVID-19 vaccine
https://nypost.com/2021/02/18/former-news-anchor-dead-one-day-after-receiving-covid-19-vaccine/


Lisa Shaw: Presenter's death due to complications of Covid vaccine...Newcastle coroner Karen Dilks heard Ms Shaw suffered blood clots in the brain which ultimately led to her death.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-58330796

I don't understand what is so hard to understand. Stockton said 1000 athletes died from the vaccine. Please name 5.

[ArbitraryWater]

At what point will people start replying to me with names and real facts? Not just your opinion or some conjecture you think is logical. 1000 athletes died? Then name them. I am assuming that if they are real people then this would have been documented. This isn't even me arguing this is a request for evidence. You are not valid sources just based on your own word.

its the ogica concusion anyone woud come to when summarizing the facts and ooking at these events.

you think this NF incident was a one off?

havent you been paying attention? obviousy the media and gov that has been heaviy advertising the vaccine wi cover these things up or try to make them as hard to find as possibe.

but i woud not be surprised to find out its indeed in the 1000s.

[John8204]

Antivaxers are making it out as if people are dropping like flies. Of course there are side effects to the vaccine, nobody ever said otherwise. And of course there will even be the occasional death, but this is statistically insignificant.

Yeah this is one of those cases where both sides are wrong. One side is simply refusing to report and discuss the vaccine issues (much like the lab leak) while the other side believes in these conspiracy theories. If people were honest about the vaccine and didn't treat it like it was Voldemort that would go a long way.

[Real Men Wear Green]

its the ogica concusion anyone woud come to when summarizing the facts and ooking at these events.

you think this NF incident was a one off?

havent you been paying attention? obviousy the media and gov that has been heaviy advertising the vaccine wi cover these things up or try to make them as hard to find as possibe.

but i woud not be surprised to find out its indeed in the 1000s.

If the best you can do is to see a football player collapse after a tackle and assume it was covid then you're an idiot that is only capable of assumptions. You can stop talking now thanks.

[PeroAntic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G9mziXL9w

what was it? the play?

Keep laughing in ignorance


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnT9PVCSZYE

What was it? The covid vaccine in 2007?

[bladefd]

Seems likely the hit to the chest set off something with the heart rythm.

However, if you already have a mild case of myocarditis, that would probably make it more susceptible.

The thing is, this is the second major athlete dropping "dead" on the field in 2 years on the biggest stages. That just isn't normal.

Cardiac arrest was probably secondary to the blunt force strike to his chest. The blunt force strike is ultimately the cause of the cardiac arrest. There is no evidence it had anything to do with the vaccine.

[bladefd]

I don't understand what is so hard to understand. Stockton said 1000 athletes died from the vaccine. Please name 5.

I am still waiting for the same. All these arguments by these fools but they can't name 5 athletes. Until they can name even 5 athletes, it's complete nonsense by Stockton.

[90sgoat]

Cardiac arrest was probably secondary to the blunt force strike to his chest. The blunt force strike is ultimately the cause of the cardiac arrest. There is no evidence it had anything to do with the vaccine.

Depends.

Would be extremely rare if a hit like that caused cardiac arrest.

Like one in a million rare.

[AlternativeAcc.]

He got a booster on 12/26/2022.

Look man, it very well could be a vaccine related incident. I hate this culture of people pretending vaccines possibly couldn't have been the cause and wishing death and those who say it could've caused it.

It's rr3 brainwash retard type culture. It's just weird.

[Patrick Chewing]

john stockton is a foot taller than op

:oldlol:

[90sgoat]

Just go to any social media and search for #diedsuddenly

https://mobile.twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/

You'll find MANY athletes, current and former, who die suddenly after taking the vaxx.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flj1XcXX0AErVKO?format=jpg&name=large

[Patrick Chewing]

Antivaxers are making it out as if people are dropping like flies. Of course there are side effects to the vaccine, nobody ever said otherwise. And of course there will even be the occasional death, but this is statistically insignificant.

So....let's recap what you just said here. So, you acknowledge that people are dying from the vaccine, but the numbers are so small and minuscule that it doesn't warrant any concern whatsoever? So these are acceptable deaths? And because these are acceptable deaths in your eyes, you still stand by the vaccine 100%. However, people that die from Covid who are not vaccinated are not acceptable deaths as your kind has been echoing over the last two years? As you have shamed those people relentlessly as well over the last couple of years. Is that right? Did I get the gist of it correctly?

[Wardell Curry]

He got a booster on 12/26/2022.

Look man, it very well could be a vaccine related incident. I hate this culture of people pretending vaccines possibly couldn't have been the cause and wishing death and those who say it could've caused it.

It's rr3 brainwash retard type culture. It's just weird.

Source on the booser date of 12/26 please?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Source on the booser date of 12/26 please?

Dr Benjamin Eidelman on Twitter.

Looks as though it could be fake news though. I saw a screenshot and didn't do further research! I'm picking up on those rr3 habits

But it still could be vaccine related. How could it not be?

[ArbitraryWater]

Just go to any social media and search for #diedsuddenly

https://mobile.twitter.com/DiedSuddenly_/

You'll find MANY athletes, current and former, who die suddenly after taking the vaxx.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Flj1XcXX0AErVKO?format=jpg&name=large

Thats hilarious. Genuinely.

Guy wishes jail time on the unvaccinated, dies for being vaccinated.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Dr Benjamin Eidelman on Twitter.

Looks as though it could be fake news though. I saw a screenshot and didn't do further research! I'm picking up on those rr3 habits

But it still could be vaccine related. How could it not be?
If Edelman is not his doctor how does he know? And your last question is stupid. Cardiac arrest predates covid.

[Wardell Curry]

Dr Benjamin Eidelman on Twitter.

Looks as though it could be fake news though. I saw a screenshot and didn't do further research! I'm picking up on those rr3 habits

But it still could be vaccine related. How could it not be?


It could be long term vaccine impact, covid long term, natural causes or something else. We can only guess. Best not to make strong assumptions and proclamations, in my opinion. Nothing against you or anyone else. Just saying.

Looks like that twitter account is gone, fwiw.

[90sgoat]

Thats hilarious. Genuinely.

Guy wishes jail time on the unvaccinated, dies for being vaccinated.

#diedsuddenly is full of those examples.

Doctors who called others antivaxxers dropping like flies. One of the guys in charge of the vaccines in the UK died at 38 recently.

[Soundwave]

I know probably in the range of 150 people that have been vaccinated and no issues from anyone other than like a sore arm for a day.

Cardiac arrest can happen in pro sports, it's not even *that* rare in the NHL for example.

Chris Pronger had the same thing happen to him after taking a puck to the chest:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S1Dfs8hgR4

Rich Beverly in 2014:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1988472-scary-scene-for-dallas-stars-as-rich-peverley-has-heart-stop-on-bench

Jay Bouwemeester in Feb 2020:

https://people.com/sports/nhl-player-cardiac-arrest-game-out-emainder-season/

Jiri Fischer in 2005:

https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-jiri-fischer-tragedy-triumph/

Kris Letang has had 2 strokes, 2nd just a few weeks ago, but the 1st was in 2014

https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-jiri-fischer-tragedy-triumph/

These are all pre-COVID vaccine.


My thinking is if there was really anything to this we'd have seen a lot more visible athletes collapsing. Football players, many of whom are overweight to begin with having a cardiac episode after a hit isn't the most unbelievable thing in the world.

I mean what, are all the high profile NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB players magically immune to the vaccine's effects? Why isn't it hitting a high profile player in any of the major sports leagues?

[PeroAntic]

So....let's recap what you just said here. So, you acknowledge that people are dying from the vaccine, but the numbers are so small and minuscule that it doesn't warrant any concern whatsoever? So these are acceptable deaths? And because these are acceptable deaths in your eyes, you still stand by the vaccine 100%. However, people that die from Covid who are not vaccinated are not acceptable deaths as your kind has been echoing over the last two years? As you have shamed those people relentlessly as well over the last couple of years. Is that right? Did I get the gist of it correctly?
Where did I say people who die from Covid because they are not vaccinated are not acceptable? Do whatever you want as long as you don't put other people in danger. Unfortunately theres a few things you can do because we live in a complex society. And when antivaxers want all the privileges of living in said society but none of the obligations, well you can go **** yourselves then.

[warriorfan]

Names?

this jinxing ****** almost got someone killed :roll:

[bladefd]

Depends.

Would be extremely rare if a hit like that caused cardiac arrest.

Like one in a million rare.

From what I read, that's probably what happened - an extremely rare case. I also read that the statistical prognosis of recovery from it is extremely low sadly.

[90sgoat]

From what I read, that's probably what happened - an extremely rare case. I also read that the statistical prognosis of recovery from it is extremely low sadly.

There's never been a case of it in football.

It's absurd that people are claiming to know what caused it already.

[theman93]

For decades NFL players have been taking routine hits like this by the hundreds of thousands (millions even?) as a whole. I find it much more likely this was from the vaccine with all the died suddenly reports and the cardiac issues it causes.

[WhiteKyrie]

Does it upset you to find out someone doesn't support the official narrative?

I think the Chinese Virus came from his hometown. Where they eat bat assholes as a form of a delicacy or something.

[Da_Realist]

John Stockton defends himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bDroEyS2A8&t=7590s