Why can't anyone get 40 ppg since today's game allows 5-10 more pts per 100 poss

[3ba11]

than previous eras

This shows that today's spaced-out, non-physical, "beginner" format yields a threes and layups skillet that is inferior to the instinct, shot diversity and touch required of the unspaced, physical eras (advanced format).

I watched Luka literally gallivant down the lane untouched for the easiest layup anyone could ever make - so why can't he average 40 in this format?.. It's because of weak pure scoring ability (touch, instinct, repertoire) compared to the best scorers in prior eras.. Let's face it - Luka has 1 go-to move - the hesitation, between-the-legs move and I guess a step-back too - that's it - that's why no 40 ppg

[Yeezy]

luka could do it easily considering his usage rate but I think he and others are worried about the negative press it would attract

[8Ball]

Luka is a more talented player than Jordan.


When I watch Jordan youtube game footage, I don't see we are missing anything vs today's players.

[1987_Lakers]

MJ couldn't average 40 in the no defense 80's.

[Yeezy]

Luka is a more talented player than Jordan.


When I watch Jordan youtube game footage, I don't see we are missing anything vs today's players.

vlade divac was a more talented player than Jordan offensively too. that isn't saying much. there's probly a ton of 6 foot nothing white guys that are better than most guys in the nba


what made jordan was being that skilled in a 6'6 black guys frame woth insane athleticism. to be that good of a mid range shooter with a ball that fits in your hand like a grapefruit is extremely rare

[3ba11]

MJ couldn't average 40 in the no defense 80's.


The biggest factor on offense is spacing

Jordan averaged 37/5/5 on 48% without spacing when teams were giving up 5 less points per 100 possession.

I remember when we used to quibble about a 1 or 2 point gap in league ORTG when comparing the 1988 to 2009, but now the gap is literally 5-10 points depending on the year we're looking at - it's a massive gap/advantage, yet today's robots (threes and layups bums) can't do shit about it...

[Yeezy]

MJ couldn't average 40 in the no defense 80's.

there was defense. just none that could stop MJ cause back then nobody could match up with him.

today any fat sloth can average 40 with enough skill. athleticism is obsolete in today's nba due to the small ball/freedom of movement

[3ba11]

there was defense. just none that could stop MJ cause back then nobody could match up with him.

today any fat sloth can average 40 with enough skill. athleticism is obsolete in today's nba due to the small ball/freedom of movement


It's funny that everyone says that today's game has better athletes yet all I see are slow, fat guys that are "moving their feet" and getting repeatedly destroyed by fast ball-handlers - today's game is a joke.. who can't move their feet like plumlee or vucevic or horford? .. those guys aren't world-beaters and the league is fulleof these "athletes"

[8Ball]

A kobe stan and a jordan stan butt hurt that today's players are more talented.



Luka and Jokic about miles ahead of Jordan passing wise, and equal at scoring.

[8Ball]

If Jordan and Kobe were better basketball players, they would be able to pass like Luka, Jokic and LeBron.

[expansionera]

vlade divac was a more talented player than Jordan offensively too. that isn't saying much. there's probly a ton of 6 foot nothing white guys that are better than most guys in the nba


what made jordan was being that skilled in a 6'6 black guys frame woth insane athleticism. to be that good of a mid range shooter with a ball that fits in your hand like a grapefruit is extremely rare

The difference is every wing defender today is a 6’5-6’9 athletic black guy that lifts weight, watches film and most importantly can play zone defense. What made Jordan unique was iso-ing against Craig Ehlo and Jeff Hornacek with no help defense

[3ba11]

MJ couldn't average 40 in the no defense 80's.


Non-shooters like SGA or Zion barely average 25 at the rim in today's wide open paint, so they would barely average 20 against the packed paints and unspaced courts of prior decades, aka Larry Johnson or Isiah Rider

So they can barely get 25 against open paint, while Jordan averaged 37 against packed paints because he had goat repertoire and pure scoring ability (touch in traffic, instinct, expert jumpshooting)

[Yeezy]

A kobe stan and a jordan stan butt hurt that today's players are more talented.



Luka and Jokic about miles ahead of Jordan passing wise, and equal at scoring.

why wouldnt they be more talented. if you take the necessity of athleticism and size out of the game with rule changes there will naturally be more talented players

[3ba11]

The difference is every wing defender today is a 6’5-6’9 athletic black guy that lifts weight, watches film and most importantly can play zone defense. What made Jordan unique was iso-ing against Craig Ehlo and Jeff Hornacek with no help defense


The paints were packed in previous eras so the help defense was already there and WAITING - they didn't have to come from the weakside like today's spaced courts.. No spacing = closer help defenders

Prior eras didn't have today's 3-point strategy to draw defenders away from the rim and space the floor, so the paint stayed packed

[Hey Yo]

Jordan's 37ppg in the regular season led Chicago to a first round sweep.

[expansionera]

The paints were packed in previous eras so the help defense was already there and WAITING - they didn't have to come from the weakside like today's spaced courts.. No spacing = closer help defenders

Prior eras didn't have today's 3-point strategy to draw defenders away from the rim and space the floor, so the paint stayed packed

So Jordan was a first step away from driving past a white boy and getting a whistle his entire career?

[zeerghit]

Jordan's 37ppg in the regular season led Chicago to a first round sweep.

Losing in finals < Getting swept in first round

[3ba11]

The difference is every wing defender today is a 6’5-6’9 athletic black guy that lifts weight, watches film and most importantly can play zone defense. What made Jordan unique was iso-ing against Craig Ehlo and Jeff Hornacek with no help defense


Today's best SG's are soft shooters like Beal, Harden, Klay and many more

So Jordan faced better athletes because there were less shooters, whereas all 5 positions in today's game are filled with slow, soft shooters

In addition to the many "Beals" in today's league, there are more slow, weak bigs than prior eras because of soft shooting again - so many slow bigs that can shoot are forced to move their feet, whereas the paint was always protected in the unspaced courts of prior eras.

[Axe]

1-9

[3ba11]

Losing in finals < Getting swept in first round


Most guys lose in their first few years, so early losses are never a knock - the only losses that count are losses as the favorite in your prime or with all-star teammates.

Furthermore, the 86' Bulls were a -4 SRS team and then removed the 1st and 2nd option heading into 87' season (Woolridge and Gervin were removed).

So Jordan had start all over in both 85' and 87' - he was forced to carry the league's worst cast in those playoffs, while Lebron had 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs - the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas added a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the 06' Playoffs as a veteran, high seed.

[expansionera]

Today's best SG's are soft shooters like Beal, Harden, Klay and many more

So Jordan faced better athletes because there were less shooters, whereas all 5 positions in today's game are filled with slow, soft shooters

In addition to the many "Beals" in today's league, there are more slow, weak bigs than prior eras because of soft shooting again - so many slow bigs that can shoot are forced to move their feet, whereas the paint was always protected in the unspaced courts of prior eras.

It’s nothing to take personally or even be offended by. The league during Jordan’s era was a lot softer and more family friendly, Jordan’s marketing success ensured that the powers that be willed Jordan to be the hero of the league and cast a non threatening conglomerate of ‘villains’ and “rivals” to stand in his path. Danny Ainge, Craig Ehlo, Jeff Hornacek, Muggsy Bogues, Dan Merjle. These guys make Devin Booker look like Tony Allen by comparison, except Booker has never been tasked with guarding a first option in a playoff series. These guys were Jordan’s toughest competition

[3ba11]

Losing in finals < Getting swept in first round


Lebron joined a horrible team in 2004.

But he got 3 years to develop into a veteran high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs, so he never carried bad teams and low seeds in the playoffs like 85-87' Jordan...

And people forget that the 86' Bulls were a -4 SRS team and then removed the 1st and 2nd option heading into 87' season (Woolridge and Gervin were removed)..

So Jordan had start all over in 85' and 87' (hurt in 86') - he was forced to carry the league's worst cast in those playoffs, while Lebron had 3 years to develop his team into a favored high seed before entering the 06' Playoffs - the all-star duo of Lebron/Zydrunas added a 22/5/5 all-defender and the future COY to make the 06' Playoffs as a veteran, high seed.

[Full Court]

If Jordan and Kobe were better basketball players, they would be able to pass like Luka, Jokic and LeBron.

I guess this guy never saw that Jordan was equally elite on the defensive end. That's one of the things that separates him from players like Luka, Curry, Jokic, etc. They can only be elite on one end of the court.

[ShawkFactory]

Guys play less minutes.

Pretty simple answer.

[ShawkFactory]

Embiid scores more per 100 possessions than Jordan ever did

[Yeezy]

Embiid scores more per 100 possessions than Jordan ever did

more sloth all time records

[ShawkFactory]

more sloth all time records

It’s not an all time record. OP just asked why more people don’t score that much now and I answered the question.

Pretty simple

[ArbitraryWater]

because 5-10 more pts for the overall team are at best 2 more points for a single player.


OP you mad dumb huh?

[Phoenix]

We'll revisit this tomorrow when OP comes off this weeks 'ban'.