why are the Saudi Arabs doing this ?

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnWRPBWOak4

building solar panels / generating a zero carbon info structures ???

I thought they were the leaders in oil :confusedshrug:

[tontoz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnWRPBWOak4

building solar panels / generating a zero carbon info structures ???

I thought they were the leaders in oil :confusedshrug:

They are, but they know the clock is ticking. They know they need to diversify their economy and part of that will be changing perception. That is why they have gone into sportswashing.

But when they put people in prison for decades over tweets it is clear they aren't willing to really change with the times.

[Patrick Chewing]

"info structures"

:roll:

[bladefd]

As tontoz says, they have to diversify but for very different reasons than he articulated.

It is getting tougher and tougher to get oil. The easy to drill oil wells on the surface are drying up, and they have to go deeper down, which costs more money & resources to get to. They also know that solar energy is cheap and getting even cheaper each year. Why not diversify? It's worth it for their power grid and also for future energy growth. There is plenty of money to be made going green, but we know the Saudis are not leaving the oil business anytime soon.

[Patrick Chewing]

As tontoz says, they have to diversify but for very different reasons than he articulated.

It is getting tougher and tougher to get oil. The easy to drill oil wells on the surface are drying up, and they have to go deeper down, which costs more money & resources to get to. They also know that solar energy is cheap and getting even cheaper each year. Why not diversify? It's worth it for their power grid and also for future energy growth. There is plenty of money to be made going green, but we know the Saudis are not leaving the oil business anytime soon.

There is less money to be made in going green versus what we currently use in fossil fuels.

[tontoz]

There is less money to be made in going green versus what we currently use in fossil fuels.


Emphasis on currently. 10 years from now the oil business probably won't be looking good.

They see the writing on the wall and want to diversify their economy. Problem is to do that with any effectiveness they would have to change the way they govern which obviously isnt happening.

[warriorfan]

"info structures"

:roll:

there’s no way op is a real person :lol

[tontoz]

In OP's defense if you type in infa auto correct will bring up info every time.

[Axe]

Emphasis on currently. 10 years from now the oil business probably won't be looking good.

They see the writing on the wall and want to diversify their economy. Problem is to do that with any effectiveness they would have to change the way they govern which obviously isnt happening.
They will also use oil in order to produce electric vehicles in the future, uncle..

[bladefd]

There is less money to be made in going green versus what we currently use in fossil fuels.

Coal is going out of business overall. Oil is artificially pumped up in price for now, but overall trajectory has not changed in many years (it's long-term downhill). Natural gas has been stable but not getting any cheaper (also only commercial customers). Solar and wind are getting cheaper and so more & more widespread/accessible in both commercial & residential sectors. There is more money to be made in green energy simply due to the fact that there are more customers each year and adoption is speeding up.

[bladefd]

Emphasis on currently. 10 years from now the oil business probably won't be looking good.

They see the writing on the wall and want to diversify their economy. Problem is to do that with any effectiveness they would have to change the way they govern which obviously isnt happening.

Why? If they go green, they go green. What does the effectiveness matter if they are a dictatorship or not?

[tontoz]

Why? If they go green, they go green. What does the effectiveness matter if they are a dictatorship or not?


Going green might help them power for own country but they cant bring in money exporting it.

What does Saudi Arabia do for the world economy aside from selling oil? Not much. They arent manufacturing things and exporting, at least not that I know of. They arent much of a tourist destination.

Diversifying their economy will require a lot more than going green.

[Proctor]

"info structures"

:roll:

****.

:roll::roll::roll::roll:

[bladefd]

Going green might help them power for own country but they cant bring in money exporting it.

What does Saudi Arabia do for the world economy aside from selling oil? Not much. They arent manufacturing things and exporting, at least not that I know of. They arent much of a tourist destination.

Diversifying their economy will require a lot more than going green.

They could export electricity to their neighbors, many of whom are dictatorships themselves.

They also won't be going out of oil business for multiple decades to come. Who knows what they will be doing in 2070s? Perhaps they will be a tourist destination by then or perhaps a democracy or will diversify beyond simply going green. Who knows?

[Lakers Legend#32]

There is less money to be made in going green versus what we currently use in fossil fuels.

Poopsie keeps showing his old age with each post.

[tontoz]

They could export electricity to their neighbors, many of whom are dictatorships themselves.

They also won't be going out of oil business for multiple decades to come. Who knows what they will be doing in 2070s? Perhaps they will be a tourist destination by then or perhaps a democracy or will diversify beyond simply going green. Who knows?



Pretty sure the sun shines for their neighbors too, and solar panels are pretty cheap.

The problem with solar and wind for a large scale is that the energy needs to be stored until it can be used. That isn't as simple as it sounds. I haven't seen anything about Saudi Arabia and energy storage.

Tesla is working on this with their megapacks but they are just starting.

[Jasper]

I was shopping for solar panels today and was talking with the owner of a1 solarstore owned by an Arab.

I feel as if Arab's are using the green tech for their country and selling oil and gas as an export(.)

Someone stated in a previous post COAL is going bye , bye ... the footprint is dramatic , but we should look at our last president who got soft money from the richest coal miner in USA. After he was elected , Trump was forced to take off emissions on the coal resource , because of where the money came from.
That picture is imbedded in my mind how a country can reverse the idea that there is 'NO' global warming. LMFAO

[Jasper]

Pretty sure the sun shines for their neighbors too, and solar panels are pretty cheap.

The problem with solar and wind for a large scale is that the energy needs to be stored until it can be used. That isn't as simple as it sounds. I haven't seen anything about Saudi Arabia and energy storage.

Tesla is working on this with their megapacks but they are just starting.

what storage is used in MN on their farms ?

[tontoz]

what storage is used in MN on their farms ?




https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/11/17/minnesotas-first-solar-storage-project-nears-completion-in-grand-rapids/

[bladefd]

I was shopping for solar panels today and was talking with the owner of a1 solarstore owned by an Arab.

I feel as if Arab's are using the green tech for their country and selling oil and gas as an export(.)

Someone stated in a previous post COAL is going bye , bye ... the footprint is dramatic , but we should look at our last president who got soft money from the richest coal miner in USA. After he was elected , Trump was forced to take off emissions on the coal resource , because of where the money came from.
That picture is imbedded in my mind how a country can reverse the idea that there is 'NO' global warming. LMFAO

Trump wanted to bring back coal, but solar/wind/natural gas were simply cheaper. There was absolutely nothing Trump could do about it. Natural gas price is what it is (stable price), but solar/wind are getting even cheaper each year. Future republican presidents can yell however much they want about climate change, but they will be powerless against the rise of green energy. Trump already was. The market (solar/wind being cheaper than coal/oil/natural gas) will overpower them.

[bladefd]

Pretty sure the sun shines for their neighbors too, and solar panels are pretty cheap.

The problem with solar and wind for a large scale is that the energy needs to be stored until it can be used. That isn't as simple as it sounds. I haven't seen anything about Saudi Arabia and energy storage.

Tesla is working on this with their megapacks but they are just starting.

Batteries are improving for commercial storage. It's not quite there yet unfortunately but work in progress. Batteries using sand for energy storage are showing promise but still years away from entering the market.

Regardless, it's good that Saudi Arabia is going green. The more the merrier. The way they govern is irrelevant to them deciding to go green. Not like their oil business will go whoosh for decades to come.

[tontoz]

Batteries are improving for commercial storage. It's not quite there yet unfortunately but work in progress. Batteries using sand for energy storage are showing promise but still years away from entering the market.

Regardless, it's good that Saudi Arabia is going green. The more the merrier. The way they govern is irrelevant to them deciding to go green. Not like their oil business will go whoosh for decades to come.


Solar is on pace to be the largest source of power capacity in the world in the next 5 years. Making big money on oil is going to get tougher in a hurry.

The way they govern is very relevant to diversifying their economy. Why do you think they are putting billions into LIV Golf? They are setting cash on fire in an attempt to change their image.

I would guess that they want to be more like Dubai but that isn't going to happen without substantial changes in policy.

[bladefd]

Solar is on pace to be the largest source of power capacity in the world in the next 5 years. Making big money on oil is going to get tougher in a hurry.

The way they govern is very relevant to diversifying their economy. Why do you think they are putting billions into LIV Golf? They are setting cash on fire in an attempt to change their image.

I would guess that they want to be more like Dubai but that isn't going to happen without substantial changes in policy.

Green energy is good to get into right now for them before sh*t hits the fan for oil. Green energy is sustainable and the path towards energy independence & beneficial to their national security. OPEC involves a lot of politics and pricing that impacts all their partners (almost run like a mafia cartel lol). It's much better to be energy independent.

Dubai is also authoritarian state. But successful in building up infrastructure in their country. Who knows how successful Saudi Arabia will be, but this is a start.

[tontoz]

Gender equality is of paramount importance in the UAE, and the Constitution of the UAE guarantees equal rights for both men and women. Under the Constitution, women enjoy the same legal status, claim to titles, access to education, the right to practice professions, and the right to inherit property as men.


Women in Saudi Arabia weren't allowed to drive a car until 2018 :oldlol:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Ask Jarred Kushner. The Saudis are his bosses.

[Jasper]

https://minnesotareformer.com/2021/11/17/minnesotas-first-solar-storage-project-nears-completion-in-grand-rapids/

The $6 million project by Grand Rapids Public Utilities combines a 2-megawatt solar array with a 1-megawatt, 2.5-hour lithium-ion energy storage battery in a project built and operated by US Solar.

not sure but I think they meant 2.5 Megawatt lithium - ion energy storage.