Dirk Nowitzki: "if LeBron passes Kareem, I'm running out of Arguments for Michael"

[8Ball]

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/dallas-mavs-dirk-nowitzki-lebron-james-michael-jordan-nba-greatest-ever



if (LeBron) really passes Kareem (Abdul-Jabbar) in the scoring record, I'm running out of arguments for Michael. What this guy has done is nothing short of incredible.


Players in the league know how insanely difficult it is to surpass Kareem. Kareem has held the all time scoring record for 40 years, Kareem held it forever. This was Kareem's legacy and all everyone talked about with Kareem. 6 MVPs? 6 championships? Who cares.


You need to be one of the most dominant scorers of all time, and do it non stop for 20 years.


All the OG NBA legends will bend the knee when this happens.

[warriorfan]

dirk low key trying to boost his own legacy. it’s obvious he doesn’t believe this. he saw jason terry out score the “goat” on the biggest stage with his own two eyes.

[GrayGoat]

Dirk is smart. Germans are smart.

[Full Court]

There have already been like 3 threads on this quote while you were hiding under your rock waiting for Bronie to have a semi-decent game. :lol

[theman93]

It took 40 years to break Kareem's all-time scoring record.

It will take 80 years to break Jordan's scoring title record.

[GrayGoat]

It took 40 years to break Kareem's all-time scoring record.

It will take 80 years to break Jordan's scoring title record.

Latrell Sprewell was MJ’s toughest comp. That’s like LeBron facing Derrick Rose

[theman93]

Latrell Sprewell was MJ’s toughest comp. That’s like LeBron facing Derrick Rose

Wrong and wrong

[8Ball]

It took 40 years to break Kareem's all-time scoring record.

It will take 80 years to break Jordan's scoring title record.

Nobody gives a shit about Jordan's yearly scoring titles. Because nobody gives a shit about winning them.


It's like a used condom on the side of the road for NBA achievements. A lot like the all-star MVP. Now all of a sudden you want to pick them all up? No.


I can name the last 10 MVP winners. Without googling it, you won't even be able to name the last 10 scoring title winners. I would be surprised if you even knew the last 3 scoring title winners without googling it.

[8Ball]

There have already been like 3 threads on this quote while you were hiding under your rock waiting for Bronie to have a semi-decent game. :lol

LeBron is 2nd team all-nba this season so far. That's top 10 player in the NBA.

[8Ball]

dirk low key trying to boost his own legacy. it’s obvious he doesn’t believe this. he saw jason terry out score the “goat” on the biggest stage with his own two eyes.

Since when was Dirk ever known for bullshitting in interviews?


He speaks what he believes.

[theman93]

Nobody gives a shit about Jordan's yearly scoring titles. Because nobody gives a shit about winning them.


It's like a used condom on the side of the road for NBA achievements. A lot like the all-star MVP. Now all of a sudden you want to pick them all up? No.


I can name the last 10 MVP winners. Without googling it, you won't even be able to name the last 10 scoring title winners. I would be surprised if you even knew the last 3 scoring title winners without googling it.

Many people do. It just doesn't get the attention of all-time scoring because it's so far out of reach that it's become worthless to even speculate about. Like trying to count the number of stars in the galaxy. An impossible task.

[8Ball]

Many people do. It just doesn't get the attention of all-time scoring because it's so far out of reach that it's become worthless to even speculate about. Like trying to count the number of stars in the galaxy. An impossible task.

Here are the MVP winners off the top of my head from 2012-2021: bron, bron, KD, Curry, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, Giannis, Jokic, jokic. I can go back 20+ years.


Nobody can even do last 5 scoring title winners because literally nobody cares. Same with all-star MVPs. I can't name the last 5 all-star mvps without googling and nobody else can either.

[GrayGoat]

Here are the MVP winners off the top of my head from 2012-2021: bron, bron, KD, Curry, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, Giannis, Jokic, jokic. I can go back 20+ years.


Nobody can even do last 5 scoring title winners because literally nobody cares.

Coach getting destroyed in here

[Axe]

Poor coach. :(

[8Ball]

Coach getting destroyed in here


In order to qualify for the max contract, the NBA and player's union agreed to:

1) An All-NBA team selection (any of the three teams) in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.

2) A Defensive Player of the Year selection in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.

3) An MVP selection in any season from the player's second year onward.


No where does it say yearly "scoring title" winner. The NBA and the player's union literally didn't care.

[theman93]

Here are the MVP winners off the top of my head from 2012-2021: bron, bron, KD, Curry, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Giannis, Giannis, Jokic, jokic. I can go back 20+ years.


Nobody can even do last 5 scoring title winners because literally nobody cares.

Maybe in your make believe universe nobody cares, but in the real world it does. It's why the NBA, CBS, Bleacher Report, Draft Kings, USA Today, NBC, Yahoo, etc. all have articles regarding it just within the last year.

[SouBeachTalents]

I can name the last 10 MVP winners. Without googling it, you won't even be able to name the last 10 scoring title winners. I would be surprised if you even knew the last 3 scoring title winners without googling it.
Just doing it for fun, honest to god not looking this up

Embiid
Curry
Beal
Harden
Harden
Westbrook
Curry
Harden
KD
Melo

Then I think it was KD from 10-12, Wade in '09, no idea in '08, Kobe in '06-'07, Iverson in '05, T-Mac in '03-'04, Iverson in '01-'02, and Shaq in 2000.

[ArbitraryWater]

Just doing it for fun, honest to god not looking this up

Embiid
Curry
Beal
Harden
Harden
Westbrook
Curry
Harden
KD
Melo

Then I think it was KD from 10-12, Wade in '09, no idea in '08, Kobe in '06-'07, Iverson in '05, T-Mac in '03-'04, Iverson in '01-'02, and Shaq in 2000.

it was Bron in 08, his ony year.

Anyway, scoring tites by themsef have very itte meaning.

Its just the raw ppg output.

It doesnt mean you were actuay the best scorer.

Its kinda funny to see MJ stans reign on the output adding seasons up, but for singuar seasons its super meaningfu.

[theman93]

In order to qualify for the max contract, the NBA and player's union agreed to:

1) An All-NBA team selection (any of the three teams) in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.

2) A Defensive Player of the Year selection in the player's fourth season, or in two of the three seasons between his second and fourth seasons.

3) An MVP selection in any season from the player's second year onward.


No where does it say yearly "scoring title" winner. The NBA and the player's union literally didn't care.

By this logic nobody cares about All-Star, Finals MVP, or NBA All-Defensive Team :lol

[Legend248]

he also said "Kobe is the best player I ever played against"

[ArbitraryWater]

he also said "Kobe is the best player I ever played against"


whats the newer quote?

[Legend248]

whats the newer quote?

he just said that because he was asked that question......he still thinks kobe is the best player he faced....lick my ass bitch

[8Ball]

By this logic nobody cares about All-Star, Finals MVP, or NBA All-Defensive Team :lol


All stars don't matter because there is a fan voting component which waters it down. Even then, LeBron about to be tied with Kareem at #1 for 19. Finals MVP is 1 series in the playoffs achievement.


There is a reason NBA all-defensive team is partially discounted. You can be 1st team all-nba without even being a top 20 player.

[theman93]

All stars don't matter because there is a fan voting component which waters it down. Finals MVP is 1 series in the playoffs achievement.


There is a reason NBA all-defensive team is discounted. You can be 1st team all-nba without even being a top 20 player.

So your argument has changed from "nobody cares" to "doesn't matter". Interesting moving of the goal posts. Which is it?

[8Ball]

So your argument has changed from "nobody cares" to "doesn't matter". Interesting moving of the goal posts. Which is it?

Your argument was scoring titles matter, and I showed you they don't. Nobody cares about them. Jordan stans didn't even care for it either until LeBron becoming the greatest scorer of all time.

[theman93]

Here is NBC showing nobody cares about scoring titles by dedicating an article to the NBA's all-time scoring title leaders after Curry won his second scoring title in 2021.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/steph-curry-joins-exclusive-list-scoring-champ-legends

:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

he just said that because he was asked that question......he still thinks kobe is the best player he faced....lick my ass bitch

when you need to make a persona interpretation to change the meaning, you are probaby very dumb.

[ArbitraryWater]

Here is NBC showing nobody cares about scoring titles by dedicating an article to the NBA's all-time scoring title leaders after Curry won his second scoring title in 2021.

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/warriors/steph-curry-joins-exclusive-list-scoring-champ-legends

:lol


Gervin, Iverson and Johnston are 3 of the top 6 winningest scoring champions ever...

None of which are top 40 players.

That tells you everything.

[theman93]

Gervin, Iverson and Johnston are 3 of the top 6 winningest scoring champions ever...

None of which are top 40 players.

That tells you everything.

We aren't debating top players. So this is irrelevant.

[8Ball]

Gervin, Iverson and Johnston are 3 of the top 6 winningest scoring champions ever...

None of which are top 40 players.

That tells you everything.

Means stacking up scoring titles does nothing for your rankings in all time lists.

[1987_Lakers]

It took 40 years to break Kareem's all-time scoring record.

It will take 80 years to break Jordan's scoring title record.

Imagine thinking scoring titles have more meaning than being the all-time leading scorer. :oldlol:

[theman93]

Imagine thinking scoring titles have more meaning than being the all-time leading scorer. :oldlol:

By what standard does the all-time scoring leader mean more than the all-time scoring title leader?

[ArbitraryWater]

By what standard does the all-time scoring leader mean more than the all-time scoring title leader?

Have you looked at the top 10 all time scorers and the top 10 scoring champion leaders?

Should tell you which is of more magnitude

[ArbitraryWater]

We aren't debating top players. So this is irrelevant.

Well, thats how you find credence in the achievement.

[theman93]

Have you looked at the top 10 all time scorers and the top 10 scoring champion leaders?

Should tell you which is of more magnitude

I have. I don't find anything special about sticking around for a few years in the twilight of your career averaging ~10 ppg to boost yourself up the all-time points list. I've never thought to myself, "wow, I'm blown away at Carmelo Anthony averaging 13, 15, 13, and 13 ppg the final 4 years of his career to crack the top 10 all-time points leaders." I would have found it more impressive if he won another couple of scoring titles. But that's just me.

[BigShotBob]

MJ still has the highest PPG in the history of the league

[kawhileonard2]

MJ still has the highest PPG in the history of the league

This in the season and playoffs and didn't switch teams to play with guys who won league or finals mvp and turned an organization that never won into a dynasty.

[warriorfan]

no one really cares about longevity stats. lebron stat padded while underachieving for many many years. woohoo!

[Bawkish]

Scoring titles weren't even MJ's best stat

[8Ball]

no one really cares about longevity stats. lebron stat padded while underachieving for many many years. woohoo!

Dirk literally saying that's the threshold to put him over MJ.

[kawhileonard2]

Dirk literally saying that's the threshold to put him over MJ.

Dirk beat Lebron without HCA. Who beat MJ without HCA?

[8Ball]

Dirk beat Lebron without HCA. Who beat MJ without HCA?

Isiah Thomas beat him 3 years in a row.

[kawhileonard2]

Isiah Thomas beat him 3 years in a row.

With HCA. No one ever beat him when MJ had HCA. Dwight Howard beat Lebron when Lebron had HCA, Dirk beat Lebron when Lebron had HCA, Pierce beat Lebron when Lebron had HCA. Carlos Arroyo beat Lebron when Lebron was on team USA and won bronze medal.

[Axe]

With HCA. No one ever beat him when MJ had HCA. Dwight Howard beat Lebron when Lebron had HCA, Dirk beat Lebron when Lebron had HCA, Pierce beat Lebron when Lebron had HCA. Carlos Arroyo beat Lebron when Lebron was on team USA and won bronze medal.
Jordansbulls being dumb as usual.

[John8204]

I can name the last 10 MVP winners. Without googling it, you won't even be able to name the last 10 scoring title winners. I would be surprised if you even knew the last 3 scoring title winners without googling it.

Couldn't tell you in order but I feel like I know most of the guys that won it..

Mikan, Johnston, Fulks, Yardley, Arizin, Chamberlain, West, Barry, Archibald, Kareem, McAdoo, Dantely, King, Bing, Maravich, English, Dominique, Jordan, Oneal, Iverson, Kobe, McGrady, Melo, Wade,Harden, Durant, Lebron, Curry, Westbrook, Embiid

and Max guy with a rough spelling

[Full Court]

Your argument was scoring titles matter, and I showed you they don't. Nobody cares about them. Jordan stans didn't even care for it either until LeBron becoming the greatest scorer of all time.

8Balless only denigrates scoring titles because Bronie has 10% of the number of them Jordan has. :lol

If Bronie actually had a bunch of them, this fool would be touting it in every one of his damage control threads.

[8Ball]

8Balless only denigrates scoring titles because Bronie has 10% of the number of them Jordan has. :lol

If Bronie actually had a bunch of them, this fool would be touting it in every one of his damage control threads.

Dirk: "if (LeBron) really passes Kareem (Abdul-Jabbar) in the scoring record, I'm running out of arguments for Michael. What this guy has done is nothing short of incredible."

Dirk doesn't care about yearly scoring titles either.

[And1AllDay]

Nobody gives a shit about Jordan's yearly scoring titles. Because nobody gives a shit about winning them.


It's like a used condom on the side of the road for NBA achievements. A lot like the all-star MVP. Now all of a sudden you want to pick them all up? No.


I can name the last 10 MVP winners. Without googling it, you won't even be able to name the last 10 scoring title winners. I would be surprised if you even knew the last 3 scoring title winners without googling it.

+1

kaj has theee scoring title neway. mikes were beta one offs. kareem strung along for a career not a mikey flash in the pan. six finals :oldlol: curry got six lmoa

[Bawkish]

Bronies falling for Dirk's subtle vanity jab :lol

[Gohan]

Im running out of fvcks given

[Lakers Legend#32]

Bron:

All-Time scoring king.
4 Time NBA Champ.
GOAT

[dankok8]

OP forgot that MJ also has more MVP's than Lebron. Some argument :oldlol:

[red1]

dirk has always been a smart guy.


that 2011 run was one of the greatest feats in NBA history. swept kobe and phil jackson's lakers.

[red1]

Bron:

All-Time scoring king.
4 Time NBA Champ.
GOAT

get that boy AD some milk and we're coming for number 5

westbrook Magic Johnson Western Conference Finals MVP

austin reaves finals MVP


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http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_iFJtxt0rs_M/TUiFuotLOuI/AAAAAAAAACw/fP5HuJ53emk/s1600/kg1.gif
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[And1AllDay]

Bron:

All-Time scoring king.
4 Time NBA Champ.
GOAT

plus juan

[WhiteKyrie]

Dirk must have Karl Malone and prior to that Kareem above him as well :oldlol:

[8Ball]

OP forgot that MJ also has more MVP's than Lebron. Some argument :oldlol:

Kareem has 6 mvps yet everyone calls his biggest accomplishment is the all time scoring title.